Is Kevin Love even a top 10 PF nowadays?

[Fudge]

dead srs

Draymond
Griffin
Davis
Aldridge
Bosh
Favors
Millsap
Nowitzki
Ibaka
Love??

I guess borderline top 10. Nobody else really that's worthy enough to take that 10th spot.

Inefficient, no post game, overrated rebounder, and soft. Another one to add to the list of sorry ass white players.

[dubeta]

LOL no


He's been exposed for finally playing for a playoff team :oldlol:



The little boy is a poor man's Ryan Anderson

[outbreak]

put him on a team not playing lebron ball and he's back to 20-10 stats. Lebron ruins careers.

[TheMarkMadsen]

put him on a team not playing lebron ball and he's back to 20-10 stats. Lebron ruins careers.

he still puts up 16/11.. Pau put up 18/11 with the Lakers in the regular season for 2010 which was considered really good. Yet when Lebron's 3rd option scores 2 less points per game than Kobe's 2nd option Lebron "has no help"

16/11 PF as your third option and you're complaining.. nothing new with these Lebron stans :oldlol: :oldlol:

[dubeta]

he still puts up 16/11.. Pau put up 18/11 with the Lakers in the regular season for 2010 which was considered really good. Yet when Lebron's 3rd option scores 2 less points per game than Kobe's 2nd option Lebron "has no help"

16/11 PF as your third option and you're complaining.. nothing new with these Lebron stans :oldlol: :oldlol:

Except Pau was outplaying Kobe in the playoffs :oldlol:


I dont see Love outplaying LeBron anytime soon

[KiiiiNG]

he still puts up 16/11.. Pau put up 18/11 with the Lakers in the regular season for 2010 which was considered really good. Yet when Lebron's 3rd option scores 2 less points per game than Kobe's 2nd option Lebron "has no help"

16/11 PF as your third option and you're complaining.. nothing new with these Lebron stans :oldlol: :oldlol:
Let's ignore Kyrie's absence and the fact Love is the second option this year

And Pau was a noticeably better player than Kobe, where as Love isn't even in the same universe as LeBron

Another highly moronic post from you. :oldlol:

[Fudge]

Pau also shot 53% from the floor and was a defensive anchor on defense. He also wasn't getting benched down the stretch by his backup bigs. :lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

I have them so shook that they both resorted to saying Pau >> Kobe :oldlol: :oldlol:

[KiiiiNG]

Pau also shot 53% from the floor and was a defensive anchor on defense. He also wasn't getting benched down the stretch by his backup bigs. :lol
:lol

Yeah, no shit. Leave it to a deprived/retarded kobe stan to make that comparison. :oldlol:

[TripleA]

Lol Derrick Favors,Serge Ibaka and Milsap.
Call me when they get 26 12 and are a top 5 player.

[TheMarkMadsen]

which all nba point guard did Kobe get to play with next to his 16/11 big like Lebron has?

I'll wait :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Fudge]

Millsap and Favors are easily better players than Lve this year. That's not even a question. :lol

[Fudge]

Steve Nash

Result: First round exit

:yaohappy:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Steve Nash

Result: First round exit

:yaohappy:

Steve Nash wasn't all nba that year and Kobe didn't play in those playoffs


you dumbass :oldlol: :oldlol:

[dubeta]

Steve Nash

Result: First round exit

:yaohappy:

Got 'em :oldlol:





Also Gary Payton in 04, Kobe still choked

[Fudge]

Got 'em :oldlol:





Also Gary Payton in 04, Kobe still choked
:roll:

[raprap]

Barely

[KiiiiNG]

Steve Nash wasn't all nba that year and Kobe didn't play in those playoffs


you dumbass :oldlol: :oldlol:
So Kyrie is gonna be all-nba this year?

Not that your logic means anything, just trying to see if you're even consistent. But of course not, you're just retarded.

[dubeta]

So Kyrie is gonna be all-nba this year?

Not that your logic means anything, just trying to see if you're even consistent. But of course not, you're just retarded.

holy shit :roll: :roll:


Little mark getting gangbanged here

[Fudge]

So Kyrie is gonna be all-nba this year?

Not that your logic means anything, just trying to see if you're even consistent. But of course not, you're just retarded.
:roll:

[Gus Hemmingway]

So Kyrie is gonna be all-nba this year?

Not that your logic means anything, just trying to see if you're even consistent. But of course not, you're just retarded.
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Got 'em :oldlol:





Also Gary Payton in 04, Kobe still choked

Gary Payton wasn't an all nba point guard in 04, his last selection came in 02

you guys are seriously stupid as hell and have not idea what you're talking about :oldlol: :oldlol:

[nba_55]

So Kyrie is gonna be all-nba this year?

Not that your logic means anything, just trying to see if you're even consistent. But of course not, you're just retarded.
:yaohappy:

[ArbitraryWater]

Steve Nash wasn't all nba that year and Kobe didn't play in those playoffs


you dumbass :oldlol: :oldlol:

Nash was coming off an all-star season, thats the same bullshit you Kobetards use with Bosh and his "24/12" on a lottery team :confusedshrug:

[TheMarkMadsen]

So Kyrie is gonna be all-nba this year?

Not that your logic means anything, just trying to see if you're even consistent. But of course not, you're just retarded.

he was all nba last year and you guys were still bitching about Lebron's help then too..The only thing keeping him from making that again was that he missed the first 20+ games of the season.

when healthy, he is clearly an all nba guard and one of the best point guards in the league. Over his last four games he's averaging 24ppg and if healthy will continue to play at an all nba level for the remaining of the year

but nah, you're the same guy who just said Pau>> Kobe on the last page and definitely not a troll.. such a smart basketball fan...

[TheMarkMadsen]

Nash was coming off an all-star season, thats the same bullshit you Kobetards use with Bosh and his "24/12" on a lottery team :confusedshrug:

Is the all star team the same as the all nba team?

I'll wait



Steve Nash was three years removed from being all nba..

Kyrie Irving is six months removed from being all nba..

Is that the same thing?

I'll wait

[KiiiiNG]

he was all nba last year and you guys were still bitching about Lebron's help then too..The only thing keeping him from making that again was that he missed the first 20+ games of the season.

when healthy, he is clearly an all nba guard and one of the best point guards in the league. Over his last four games he's averaging 24ppg and if healthy will continue to play at an all nba level for the remaining of the year
So now you completely switch everything up, all-nba doesn't matter, unless it's last year where he was all nba THIRD team and wasn't even around late in the playoffs because of injury.

Same with Love. He was injured, remember idiot? So LeBron hasn't even got to play with either when it actually matters.

Pau TODAY is better than Kevin Love. TODAY. Let alone 6 years ago at his peak when he was cleaning up Kobes bricks to titles.

[dubeta]

Nash was coming off an all-star season, thats the same bullshit you Kobetards use with Bosh and his "24/12" on a lottery team :confusedshrug:

Kobe had an all-star at every position in 2013, and one of them was a clear superstar in Dwight, and Kobe took them to the lottery :roll:


He basically choked with the NBA equivalent of a Dream Team :lol

[Fudge]

So now you completely switch everything up, all-nba doesn't matter, unless it's last year where he was all nba THIRD team and wasn't even around late in the playoffs because of injury.

Same with Love. He was injured, remember idiot? So LeBron hasn't even got to play with either when it actually matters.

Pau TODAY is better than Kevin Love. TODAY. Let alone 6 years ago at his peak when he was cleaning up Kobes bricks to titles.
:yaohappy: :banana:

KiiiiLLiNG him, bro.

[raprap]

I always questioned markmadsen's bball iq but wow he's really getting exposed in this thread. :eek:

[nba_55]

So now you completely switch everything up, all-nba doesn't matter, unless it's last year where he was all nba THIRD team and wasn't even around late in the playoffs because of injury.

Same with Love. He was injured, remember idiot? So LeBron hasn't even got to play with either when it actually matters.

Pau TODAY is better than Kevin Love. TODAY. Let alone 6 years ago at his peak when he was cleaning up Kobes bricks to titles.
DAMN! ETHER

[TheMarkMadsen]

So now you completely switch everything up, all-nba doesn't matter, unless it's last year where he was all nba THIRD team and wasn't even around late in the playoffs because of injury.

Same with Love. He was injured, remember idiot? So LeBron hasn't even got to play with either when it actually matters.

Pau TODAY is better than Kevin Love. TODAY. Let alone 6 years ago at his peak when he was cleaning up Kobes bricks to titles.

I'm not switching anything up, you're just too dumb to follow :oldlol: :oldlol:

If Kyrie stays healthy he'll be playing at an all nba level this year, as proved by his last 4 games where he's averaging ~ 24/4/4 per game. Kyrie was selected to the all nba team just six months ago, Payton and Nash were mutliple years removed from their all nba teams..

Neither Payton or Nash played at anywhere near an all nba level in 04 and 13. But Kyrie has already shown that when healthy this year he's an all nba level player, putting up 24/4/4 over his last 4. He's one of the best point guards in the league, this is undeniable.


and why are you bringing up the playoffs when this thread is about this year? The thread title says "nowadays" correct? So what doesn't last year's playoffs have to do with the help Lebron has right now? It doesn't. I get that you're really excited to tell us how Lebron doesn't have any help ever, but just focus on this year, when we're talking about this year.. ok little guy?

[dubeta]

Is he melting down again? :yaohappy:

[TheMarkMadsen]

so just so everybody realizes this..

Bran fans are complaining that their PF "only" puts up 16/11. For the past 6 years Lebron's third option had put up 17 points and 7-9 rebounds per game in the regular season..

THIS ISN"T ENOUGH :oldlol: :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Is the all star team the same as the all nba team?

I'll wait



Steve Nash was three years removed from being all nba..

Kyrie Irving is six months removed from being all nba..

Is that the same thing?

I'll wait

I dont even care about whatever Kyrie argument you're having right now.. Kyrie is ****in awesome.

I just chimed in with the "Bosh did 24/12 the previous year!" bullshit and countered it with Nash's all-star season the previous year.

[Young X]

He's one of the softest bigs in the league.

[dubeta]

so just so everybody realizes this..

Bran fans are complaining that their PF "only" puts up 16/11. For the past 6 years Lebron's third option had put up 17 points and 7-9 rebounds per game in the regular season..

THIS ISN"T ENOUGH :oldlol: :oldlol:

16/11 with shit defense and 0 playmaking





I'll take Odoms 13/8 with playmaking + defense any day of the week

[TheMarkMadsen]

I dont even care about whatever Kyrie argument you're having right now.. Kyrie is ****in awesome.

I just chimed in with the "Bosh did 24/12 the previous year!" bullshit and countered it with Nash's all-star season the previous year.

well maybe you should read before you chime in, no? because your comparison wasn't relevant at all. We're talking one guy who was a year away from retiring and 3 years removed from being an all nba player to a guy entering his prime 6 months removed from being all nba

[Fudge]

Is he melting down again? :yaohappy:
YES

HE

IS

:lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

16/11 with shit defense and 0 playmaking





I'll take Odoms 13/8 with playmaking + defense any day of the week

you do realize that you've lost the argument when you're even in an argument about Lebron's 3rd option vs Kobe's 2nd option?

I'll take the 16/11 PF if I can get the 22/5/5 pg and the max contract big coming off the bench on the same team

[dubeta]

you do realize that you've lost the argument when you're even in an argument about Lebron's 3rd option vs Kobe's 2nd option?

I'll take the 16/11 PF if I can get the 22/5/5 pg and the max contract big coming off the bench on the same team

Odom was Kobe's 3rd option too idiot :oldlol:


You're melting down so bad you're not making sense (not that you ever did)

[KiiiiNG]

Is he melting down again? :yaohappy:
Yes, in very embarrassing fashion too.

:roll:

I'm cringing hard at his last couple attempts. Not even worth picking apart as it's simply low hanging fruit.

Everyone's just ripping him to shreds while he spirals down further and further saying absolutely nothing and contradicting himself more and more.

:lol

[TheMarkMadsen]

Odom was Kobe's 3rd option too idiot :oldlol:

Nobody is talking about Odom vs Love you moron. :oldlol: :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

well maybe you should read before you chime in, no? because your comparison wasn't relevant at all. We're talking one guy who was a year away from retiring and 3 years removed from being an all nba player to a guy entering his prime 6 months removed from being all nba

What is this? Am I wrong this is ISH, and you were talking about something irrelevant to the thread, and now I can't talk about something irrelevant to the thread aswell? :oldlol:

Okay boy, just admit you ain't got an answer.

[Gus Hemmingway]

Madsen gettin jizzed on left n right :lol

[dubeta]

Yes, in very embarrassing fashion too.

:roll:

I'm cringing hard at his last couple attempts. Not even worth picking apart as it's simply low hanging fruit.

Everyone's just ripping him to shreds while he spirals down further and further saying absolutely nothing and contradicting himself more and more.

:lol

Holy shit

Buried


http://i00.i.aliimg.com/photo/v0/11014928/Coffins.jpg

RIP Mark

[TheMarkMadsen]

And Pau was a noticeably better player than Kobe

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[dubeta]

Nobody is talking about Odom vs Love you moron. :oldlol: :oldlol:

Cause even you know Odom was the far better player :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

What is this? Am I wrong this is ISH, and you were talking about something irrelevant to the thread, and now I can't talk about something irrelevant to the thread aswell? :oldlol:

Okay boy, just admit you ain't got an answer.


you chimed in without even reading the thread, you've already admitted that. Your comparison wasn't even close to what I was talking about. I already explained why and I'm not going to hold your hand through this. Stick to telling us KG wasn't a defense anchor until his Boston days and using other poster's work as your arguments.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Cause even you know Odom was the far better player :oldlol:

do you guys have anything else besides the usual "Pau> Kobe" "Odom > Bosh/ Love"

come up with something new :( :(

[ArbitraryWater]

you chimed in without even reading the thread, you've already admitted that. Your comparison wasn't even close to what I was talking about.

Actually, I did read the thread, but like I said, I didn't really give AF what you were talking about, don't act like no one's allowed to approach a new topic because you don't wanna lose too many :oldlol:

[plowking]

This Cavs team is probably a better team compared to the championship Lakers of not long ago, but I'd take Pau over anyone on either team as a second option outside of the two main guys. Even now, Pau could be argued as the best 2nd option.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Actually, I did read the thread, but like I said, I didn't really give AF what you were talking about, don't act like no one's allowed to approach a new topic because you don't wanna lose too many :oldlol:

you're allowed to approach a new topic, nobody said differently.

but when you use a comparison that is completely irrelevant to counter something I've said, I'm allowed to tell you it's completely irrelevant to what I'm talking about.

[TripleA]

Kevin Love is my favorite player. But I have to admit ever since he came to Cleveland he has been playing like a bitch. Standing on the perimeter not being involved. Not fighting for position or setting good screens. His defensive effort has gotten worse since his final year in Minny where he was a solid defender. He has become stretch four instead of a banger who can shoot. He needs to get rid of that ugly haircut put back some muscle and be the Kevin Love who was the best rebounder in the league. If can return to what made him great he can help make this team become amazing instead of just good.

[ISHGoat]

Look here little boy mark. There is this thing called defense. Pau is elite at it. Love is shit at it. And to top that off, Pau has better scoring on better efficiency. And equal playmaking. Literally the only thing Love does better than CURRENT Pau is 3pt shooting.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Look here little boy mark. There is this thing called defense. Pau is elite at it. Love is shit at it. And to top that off, Pau has better scoring on better efficiency. And equal playmaking. Literally the only thing Love does better than CURRENT Pau is 3pt shooting.

Pau Gasol the elite defender with 0 all nba defensive selection in his entire career. Doesn't even get the most votes out of PF's who didn't make the all nba teams, during his prime..

yeah ok..

[Smoke117]

Pau > Kobe in 2010.

[ArbitraryWater]

Pau > Kobe in 2010.

arguably yea

[TripleA]

Love in his best seasons is better than Pau with the Lakers Imo.The current version of Love though is playing soft and scared.

[ArbitraryWater]

Love in his best seasons is better than Pau with the Lakers Imo.The current version of Love though is playing soft and scared.

NEVER...

how many times have we seen bigs put up stats on lottery teams?

Nothing special, at all. Pau is top 50 material.

[Done_And_Done]

NEVER...

how many times have we seen bigs put up stats on lottery teams?

Nothing special, at all. Pau is top 50 material.

Happens quite often and not with just front court players. With that said, the numbers Love was putting up in lowly Minnesota were beyond spectaular sometimes. Arguably some of the best individual outputs in NBA history, relative to his generation of course. Kev was aboslutley murdering the box scores while suiting up for Minny.

[Meticode]

put him on a team not playing lebron ball and he's back to 20-10 stats. Lebron ruins careers.
Kyrie Irving had the most efficient season of his career last year with LeBron.

[Gileraracer]

Just another day of Lebron stans making up excuses for 2016 NBA finals

[bukowski81]

dead srs

Draymond
Griffin
Davis
Aldridge
Bosh
Favors
Millsap
Nowitzki
Ibaka
Love??

I guess borderline top 10. Nobody else really that's worthy enough to take that 10th spot.

Inefficient, no post game, overrated rebounder, and soft. Another one to add to the list of sorry ass white players.

If any of those was a Lebron teammate you would be making the same retarded thread.

[Nash]

dead srs

Draymond
Griffin
Davis
Aldridge
Bosh
Favors
Millsap
Nowitzki
Ibaka
Love??

I guess borderline top 10. Nobody else really that's worthy enough to take that 10th spot.

Inefficient, no post game, overrated rebounder, and soft. Another one to add to the list of sorry ass white players.
The only ones today for sure better than Love are Draymond, Griffin and Davis.
The rest would also look worse if they were 3rd option.