Why does Kobe only have 2 FMVP though?

[SavageMode]

Carried by Shaq?
Same amount as Bran.

[AnaheimLakers24]

Cause if he had more, youd literally have nothing to talk about in life. Virgin

[Showtime2001]

Why is Bran 2/6?

[SavageMode]

No legit answers in this thread yet.
All dodges.

[imdaman99]

I wish anyone on the Knicks had 1 FMVP (that I have witnessed) much less 2. Stop attacking legends trying to tear them down :facepalm

[Showtime2001]

Why is Bran 2/6?
Still waiting...

[ClipperRevival]

Because Shaq was "the man" in the other 3. Not like it's rocket science or some mystery.

[plowking]

Why is Bran 2/6?

How many people have won with a player the calibre of Delly being their second option?

[ClipperRevival]

Whether Kobe fans want to admit it or not, Kobe came into a great situation as a rookie where he wasn't expected to be a star right away and had the MDE to draw the attention of the D. Of course he was clearly the 2nd best player on that team 3 peat team and sometimes outplayed Shaq at times but that was Shaq's team.

But Kobe showed his own greatness by carrying his own team to two rings as "the man" but his 5 rings don't carry the same weight as if he had he won all 5 as "the man."

[Mr. Jabbar]

cause he didnt get to guard bran in the finals

[Chokefree]

Cause if he had more, youd literally have nothing to talk about in life. Virgin
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[TheMarkMadsen]

How many people have won with a player the calibre of Delly being their second option?


what is this BS? Three other players outside of Lebron averaged more ppg than Delly.

Gasol 2008 finals = 14.7 ppg on 53%

Mozgof 2015 finals = 14 ppg on 55%

and if you remember correctly, Mozgof put up 28/10 in game 4 and then barely played in game 5 because Lebron needed more spacing and couldn't play as well with both TT and Mozgof on the floor. But that's what happens when the guy going iso 90% of the time can't shoot

[TheMarkMadsen]

Whether Kobe fans want to admit it or not, Kobe came into a great situation as a rookie where he wasn't expected to be a star right away and had the MDE to draw the attention of the D. Of course he was clearly the 2nd best player on that team 3 peat team and sometimes outplayed Shaq at times but that was Shaq's team.

But Kobe showed his own greatness by carrying his own team to two rings as "the man" but his 5 rings don't carry the same weight as if he had he won all 5 as "the man."

Averaged 29/7/6 in the 01 playoffs, averaged 27/5/6 in 02 playoffs, led the team in scoring and assist through the western conference finals in 01 & 02, led the entire league in 4th quarter playoff scoring in both 01 and 02 on incredible efficiency..

If those rings aren't impressive I don't know what is.

2 more rings on 30/6/6 56% TS in the playoffs.

[34-24 Footwork]

what is this BS? Three other players outside of Lebron averaged more ppg than Delly.

Gasol 2008 finals = 14.7 ppg on 53%

Mozgof 2015 finals = 14 ppg on 55%

and if you remember correctly, Mozgof put up 28/10 in game 4 and then barely played in game 5 because Lebron needed more spacing and couldn't play as well with both TT and Mozgof on the floor. But that's what happens when the guy going iso 90% of the time can't shoot


The fact that the average person on USA doesn't understand this is beyond me. It's why LeBron couldn't (or cant) play well with Shaq, Mozgov or Gasol.

[ClipperRevival]

Averaged 29/7/6 in the 01 playoffs, averaged 27/5/6 in 02 playoffs, led the team in scoring and assist through the western conference finals in 01 & 02, led the entire league in 4th quarter playoff scoring in both 01 and 02 on incredible efficiency..

If those rings aren't impressive I don't know what is.

2 more rings on 30/6/6 56% TS in the playoffs.

No doubt. Shaq/Kobe is the best duo ever because both were true alphas. Still doesn't change the FACT that Shaq was the guy defenses geared their game plan towards stopping. That matters. Everytime Shaq had the ball, 2-3 guys would be focused on him. That frees people up. Not like I am saying Kobe was to Shaq what Pip was to MJ. Kobe was a far better player than Pip because he could take over offensively.

[plowking]

what is this BS? Three other players outside of Lebron averaged more ppg than Delly.

Gasol 2008 finals = 14.7 ppg on 53%

Mozgof 2015 finals = 14 ppg on 55%

and if you remember correctly, Mozgof put up 28/10 in game 4 and then barely played in game 5 because Lebron needed more spacing and couldn't play as well with both TT and Mozgof on the floor. But that's what happens when the guy going iso 90% of the time can't shoot

Go look at the two guys that took the most shots after LeBron.

It was JR Smith and Delly.

[Straight_Ballin]

Carried by Shaq?
Same amount as Bran.

Lebron played in far less difficult conference to achieve his 6 finals appearances relative to the competition and level of talent that Kobe faced during his trips to his finals appearances. Kobe's appearances are even more impressive because it was more difficult for him to even get to the finals in his conference than it was for Lebron to get to his finals. Also Kobe has the edge in that he didn't leave his team to join to other all-stars like Bosh and Wade, or Kyrie and two pics that were first in the draft for a total of 3 consecutive first picks.

You are going to try to attempt to fault Kobe because he didn't collude like Bron did and played with a guy who edged him out on the FVMP?

Why didn't Kobe leave the Lakers and join forces with 2 other guys from 2 different teams to form a team that was good enough to make it to the finals 4 years in a row like Lebron did. Why didn't he collude to get his?

One man is respected for what he has accomplished (Kobe) the other much less respected for how he got his. Now go cry to mommy about how big bad ISH just exposed bran for what he is relative to Kobe.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Go look at the two guys that took the most shots after LeBron.

It was JR Smith and Delly.

if FGA determines who was which option then Kobe was the first option for the 01 and 02 Lakers in the playoffs..

But I think most people would determine who is which option based off ppg..

[Smoke117]

He should really only have one...Gasol was the 2010 FMVP.

[plowking]

if FGA determines who was which option then Kobe was the first option for the 01 and 02 Lakers in the playoffs..

But I think most people would determine who is which option based off ppg..

Kobe at times was. He wasn't a better player though.

Same goes here. Mozgov racked up garbage time stats, but no one mentions that. Delly was the talk of the NBA at the time.

[Showtime2001]

Whether Kobe fans want to admit it or not, Kobe came into a great situation as a rookie where he wasn't expected to be a star right away and had the MDE to draw the attention of the D. Of course he was clearly the 2nd best player on that team 3 peat team and sometimes outplayed Shaq at times but that was Shaq's team.

But Kobe showed his own greatness by carrying his own team to two rings as "the man" but his 5 rings don't carry the same weight as if he had he won all 5 as "the man."
Please enough with this nonsense...

[34-24 Footwork]

Kobe at times was. He wasn't a better player though.

Same goes here. Mozgov racked up garbage time stats, but no one mentions that. Delly was the talk of the NBA at the time.

You're right. Lebron stans KNOW garbage time stats. These are the stats lebron accumulated in the midst of the BIGGEST slaughter in NBA history in which you consider legendary.:lol

[JohnFreeman]

Please enough with this nonsense...
How can you dispute that?

Kobes three rings under Shaq are not the same as his other two

[Showtime2001]

How can you dispute that?

Kobes three rings under Shaq are not the same as his other two
Because if it was any other player then it would not even be brought up.

Next.

[plowking]

You're right. Lebron stans KNOW garbage time stats. These are the stats lebron accumulated in the midst of the BIGGEST slaughter in NBA history in which you consider legendary.:lol

Didn't Lebron have 20 in the first half of game 5 against the Spurs? And they were still down like 7 points or something? :oldlol:

What more is he supposed to do. Literally could have averaged 40 and they would have lost. But it was his fault right? :oldlol:

Nothing new coming from Kobe fans though. Claim Lebron stacks the deck when he finally gets the same opportunity as Kobe in terms of team support, and rag on him when he loses with a guy like Delly and Smith shooting a combined 29% from the field being his 2nd and 3rd options. :oldlol:

Context is only necessary when it is Kobe.

[JohnFreeman]

Because if it was any other player then it would not even be brought up.

Next.
If LeBron won 3 rings under Wade, or any other player, the same "criticism" would be in place

[Showtime2001]

If LeBron won 3 rings under Wade, or any other player, the same "criticism" would be in place
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[Straight_Ballin]

Because if it was any other player then it would not even be brought up.

Next.

Exactly this.

Notice how no one ever brings up D Rob and Kwahi relative to Duncan. They just say "Duncan is a 5 time winner and is 5/6"

But since it's Kobe, they have to mention Shaq like Kobe refused to play with anyone other than Shaq or something. It's not like he had a choice to be paired with the man who arguable had the best peak in the history of the game.

Then there's Duncan. 18 seasons with a 50-win pace or better. Five championships, six Finals appearances, including going 2-1 over LeBron and losing the one in part on the greatest shot in NBA Finals history but somehow some stan thinks 2/6 with collusion is greater than Duncan's 5/6. :lol

[Straight_Ballin]

Didn't Lebron have 20 in the first half of game 5 against the Spurs? And they were still down like 7 points or something? :oldlol:

What more is he supposed to do. Literally could have averaged 40 and they would have lost. But it was his fault right? :oldlol:

Nothing new coming from Kobe fans though. Claim Lebron stacks the deck when he finally gets the same opportunity as Kobe in terms of team support, and rag on him when he loses with a guy like Delly and Smith shooting a combined 29% from the field being his 2nd and 3rd options. :oldlol:

Context is only necessary when it is Kobe.

karma is a bitch

Don't want to make it to the finals with your super stars injured, then maybe you shouldn't collude in the first place. :confusedshrug:

[Showtime2001]

So let me get this straight Duncan is praised for winning his last 2 titles and losing FMVP to Parker and Leonard but Kobe in 01 & 02 puts up #1 option numbers but nah those rings don't count.

:oldlol:

[coin24]

Why does OP have 50 alts, no life and no sexual partners:confusedshrug:

[AintNoSunshine]

You know what's more embarrassing? 1 MVP in 20 years. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

And his fanboy be like "he's top 10 GOAT tho":oldlol:

[Gileraracer]

How many people have won with a player the calibre of Delly being their second option?

Excuses after excuses. Not only in brans life but also in his stans :lol

[plowking]

Excuses after excuses. Not only in brans life but also in his stans :lol

Can you answer the question though?

In fact, can you find me a finals, where a team won, with the guy who took the 2nd most shots on the team, shooting 31%, or there about?

[HylianNightmare]

because shaq won the other 3

[Showtime2001]

You know what's more embarrassing? 1 MVP in 20 years. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

And his fanboy be like "he's top 10 GOAT tho":oldlol:
Shaq 1 MVP in 19 years damn that's ****in embarrassing.

"Top 10 doe" :oldlol:

[LAL]

Because Shaq always had the mismatch against those eastern conference centers. Kobe already did his damage in the playoffs. And then went on to win 2 without shaq.. That's why he's one of the greats to ever play. Not that hard.

[riseagainst]

this nigguh is back.
at first when I saw this on the front page I thought it was a bump because I coulda swore he has made like half a dozen of this exact thread.
but no... I was wrong.

:lol

[bluechox2]

How many people have won with a player the calibre of Delly being their second option?
Lebrons allstar 2nd option of mo Williams years back is now his 6th option...stacked as fuc k

[AlphaWolf24]

Because Kobe is so skilled he can play the Facilitator ( Magic Johnson Roll)...and the Dominator ( MJ roll).....

on top of being 1rst team all defense ( most ever).....and guarding the teams best player.

5 Rangs....DWitIt

[aj1987]

Averaged 29/7/6 in the 01 playoffs, averaged 27/5/6 in 02 playoffs, led the team in scoring and assist through the western conference finals in 01 & 02, led the entire league in 4th quarter playoff scoring in both 01 and 02 on incredible efficiency..

If those rings aren't impressive I don't know what is.

2 more rings on 30/6/6 56% TS in the playoffs.
From another thread:

The game in which Mozgov put up 28 points, the Cavs lost by 21 points. LeBron struggled shooting the ball, but he did have 20/12/8. 12 rebounds and 8 assists (oh wait, rebounds and assists only matter when it's Bird). Delly went 3-14, JR 2-12, Shump 2-9, JJ 0-3, etc.. A combined 18% FG%. Literally no one could hit a shot. To top it off, the Warriors went small and Moz couldn't guard anyone on the court. Bogut was benched and Green was playing at the C.

You're blaming LeBron for Moz not getting more involved in game 5 after the 28 point game, when in fact, the COACH played him 9 minutes. He played over 30 minutes in game 6 and LeBron got him involved. Dude put up 17/12/4.


Do you idiots even watch basketball or just go off of BB-Ref?

[WayOfWade]

because shaq won the other 3
This is about as simple as it gets.
And is it just me or does SavageMode seem like a Dubeta alt?

[HOoopCityJones]

So let me get this straight Duncan is praised for winning his last 2 titles and losing FMVP to Parker and Leonard but Kobe in 01 & 02 puts up #1 option numbers but nah those rings don't count.

:oldlol:

Exactly. It's fuccing insane the logic these guys try to apply only to Kobe.

For instance, Kareem at worst is considered second to MJ as far as Goat status, yet he wasn't the man for his last three rings.

[choppermagic]

cause he didnt get to guard bran in the finals

LOL Boom!

Guard Lebron in the Finals = automatic FMVP ha ha

[riseagainst]

cause he didnt get to guard bran in the finals


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