Steph Curry Toughest Player To Guard According To NBA Survey

[CurryOverLebron]

of two dozen nba coaches, assistants, and players.
Top 5 Offensive Players Based on Anonymous Survey
1. Steph Curry
2. Kevin Durant
3. Russell Westbrook
4. James Harden
5. LeBron James

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nba/la-sp-nba-tough-to-defend-20160110-story.html

[aj1987]

No shit. Dude launches and makes 3 pointers from 30ft with a defender all over him.

Surprised at Harden being 4 though. How is LeBron #5? Dude hasn't been hitting shots beyond 5ft since last season.

[Mr. Jabbar]

how did lebran make the top 5 :biggums:

[Dr Hawk]

This is the correct order:

1. Curry
2. Durant
3. Lebron
4. Harden (not allowed to touch him)
5. Westbrook

[catch24]

No shit. Dude launches and makes 3 pointers from 30ft with a defender all over him.

Surprised at Harden being 4 though. How is LeBron #5? Dude hasn't been hitting shots beyond 5ft since last season.

This.. although to be fair, LeBron is having a great season despite the shooting woes.

Guy still looks spry and athletic.

[aj1987]

This.. although to be fair, LeBron is having a great season despite the shooting woes.

Guy still looks spry and athletic.
Yep. I can't believe that he's still able to do what he's doing right now with a worse jumpshot than Rubio's. Dude spends an inordinate amount of time on everything but his jumpshot. He seriously should get a good shooting coach.

[WorldWarriors]

LOL Nobody can stop Lebron when he gets a running start on you. He's so quick and athletic. You won't beat him. Westbrook is similar.

Not surprised by Harden at all.

Steph gonna Steph. It just seems odd that he would be at the top when he's the least athletic of the bunch. Being a marksman has its advantages.:oldlol:

[tmacattack33]

Lebron's best ability is passing.

I'd rather guard Magic than Jordan. MJ will humiliate ME. Magic will humiliate my teammate who was supposed to be guarding Kareem.

[Dr Hawk]

LOL Nobody can stop Lebron when he gets a running start on you. He's so quick and athletic. You won't beat him. Westbrook is similar.

Not surprised by Harden at all.

Steph gonna Steph. It just seems odd that he would be at the top when he's the least athletic of the bunch. Being a marksman has its advantages.:oldlol:

Key word: WHEN

He need a running start, else, he is really stoppable.

[TrueBlue89]

No shit. Dude launches and makes 3 pointers from 30ft with a defender all over him.

Surprised at Harden being 4 though. How is LeBron #5? Dude hasn't been hitting shots beyond 5ft since last season.
How are you surprised at Harden? He's an offensive genius and if you're slacking on defense he'll make you pay by drawing the foul. He must be a nightmare to defend.

[ArbitraryWater]

Yep. I can't believe that he's still able to do what he's doing right now with a worse jumpshot than Rubio's. Dude spends an inordinate amount of time on everything but his jumpshot. He seriously should get a good shooting coach.

LeBron is at 36.6% with 153 FGA on mid-range, pretty sure that is far, far away from a worse jumpshot than Rubio (who's shooting 34% on 30 less attempts), and a bunch of other players.

[aj1987]

Key word: WHEN

He need a running start, else, he is really stoppable.
Not really. He's 31 with a jumper more broke than MC, and according to coaches, he has lost a step and he's still the 5th hardest player to guard in the league. I was surprised about LeBron being #5, but there really aren't more than 2 players (KD and Curry) more unstoppable than LeBron.


LeBron is at 36.6% with 153 FGA on mid-range, pretty sure that is far, far away from a worse jumpshot than Rubio (who's shooting 34% on 30 less attempts), and a bunch of other players.
He might be better than Rubio, who's probably one of the worst shooters in the league, but my point still stands. LeBron is one of the worst shooters in the league.

Also, I don't know where you're getting your stats from, but:

http://i.imgur.com/J5N10EI.png

You must be used to being wrong though.

[HylianNightmare]

He can shoot from anywhere so no one is surprised.

[catch24]

Not really. He's 31 with a jumper more broke than MC, and according to coaches, he has lost a step and he's still the 5th hardest player to guard in the league. I was surprised about LeBron being #5, but there really aren't more than 2 players (KD and Curry) more unstoppable than LeBron.


He might be better than Rubio, who's probably one of the worst shooters in the league, but my point still stands. LeBron is one of the worst shooters in the league.

Also, I don't know where you're getting your stats from, but:

http://i.imgur.com/J5N10EI.png

You must be used to being wrong though.

Holy phuck. I knew Lebron was having a terrible year shooting, but not THIS bad. Given the attempts he is downright cancerous from midrange. :biggums:

[Clifton]

Top 5 Offensive Players Based on Anonymous Survey
1. Steph Curry
2. Kevin Durant
3. Russell Westbrook
4. James Harden
5. LeBron James
Probably the only time I've seen a list of any kind that I 100% agreed with. That's your top 5 in that order.

As others have said, if a good defender has Lebron in the halfcourt, he breathes a sigh of relief. He's probably going to shoot a turnaround or pass it. The other 4 will embarrass you almost every time.

I want to say Harden might be higher, but Westbrook and Durant are also nightmares. Durant because of his length is probably more discouraging to guard than Harden, who every time he beats you, you wonder if it was an accident or if it really happened.

[AnaheimLakers24]

No shit. Dude launches and makes 3 pointers from 30ft with a defender all over him.

Surprised at Harden being 4 though. How is LeBron #5? Dude hasn't been hitting shots beyond 5ft since last season.
6'9 250lbs/stiff arm

[ArbitraryWater]

Not really. He's 31 with a jumper more broke than MC, and according to coaches, he has lost a step and he's still the 5th hardest player to guard in the league. I was surprised about LeBron being #5, but there really aren't more than 2 players (KD and Curry) more unstoppable than LeBron.


He might be better than Rubio, who's probably one of the worst shooters in the league, but my point still stands. LeBron is one of the worst shooters in the league.

Also, I don't know where you're getting your stats from, but:

http://i.imgur.com/J5N10EI.png

You must be used to being wrong though.

Um, how are you this confident while being so obviously wrong?

Thats the problem with early season graphics, you can't use them longer for a day or two....

this is now, the current reality:

https://i.gyazo.com/3e02b1b0984a6a527f5a8d74666256b5.png

I probably don't rely on graphics I randomly see posted on message boards and save them like they're worth anything in a week (you're hella raw for this, rookie mistake). I actually know the places to check for stats.

NBA(dot) com is your friend my brown Brother.

If you ask nicely, I might just tell you the exact page for you to get your numbers from in the future :cheers:

[NattyPButter]

how about next time they leave it to the players in the voting since they are the ones doing the guarding. Durant is probably #1 with just player votes.

[WorldWarriors]

how about next time they leave it to the players in the voting since they are the ones doing the guarding. Durant is probably #1 with just player votes.

Players voted Steph hardest to guard.

[AirBonner]

Of course Curry is the toughest to guard. He doesn't have to play defense or most of the 4th quarter. Dude always has fresh legs.

[inclinerator]

how is kobe not on there

[Done_And_Done]

Of course Curry is the toughest to guard. He doesn't have to play defense or most of the 4th quarter. Dude always has fresh legs.

Or perhaps he's just a remarkable talent who is currently the "toughest player to guard".

[warriorfan]

RIP lebron

[KnicksWolves]

Can there be anything more idiotic than some of the posters here protesting definitively that this list is wrong? It's fine to discuss and interject with your own opinions, but the morons who are just moving the list around to fit their agenda... :roll: Yes, the players in the league who have actually had to guard the players on this list, and the coaches who have to gameplan for them definitely don't know what they're talking about :facepalm

[WorldWarriors]

Can there be anything more idiotic than some of the posters here protesting definitively that this list is wrong? It's fine to discuss and interject with your own opinions, but the morons who are just moving the list around to fit their agenda... :roll: Yes, the players in the league who have actually had to guard the players on this list, and the coaches who have to gameplan for them definitely don't know what they're talking about :facepalm
:applause:

[Fallen Angel]

Fear The Beard you peasants :applause:

[tpols]

dubs,

Wade is actually a ~42% shooter from midrange area.. 44%, 41%, 40% across 3-10 ft, 10-16 ft, and 16-23 ft.. a very nice smooth distribution of above average ability from each range.


Lebron in the playoffs, across the same range is 38%, 35%, and 36%, considerably worse across the board.. and if you look at his early years there's some shocking numbers.. like teen %'s from midrange.. and then just last year in the 20% range for the Finals..


I mean.. what would it take for a bran fan to just admit that's hes a mediocre to poor shooter for his career so far?

[ArbitraryWater]

dubs,

Wade is actually a ~42% shooter from midrange area.. 44%, 41%, 40% across 3-10 ft, 10-16 ft, and 16-23 ft.. a very nice smooth distribution of above average ability from each range.


Lebron in the playoffs, across the same range is 38%, 35%, and 36%, considerably worse across the board.. and if you look at his early years there's some shocking numbers.. like teen %'s from midrange.. and then just last year in the 20% range for the Finals..


I mean.. what would it take for a bran fan to just admit that's hes a mediocre to poor shooter for his career so far?

Wade is actually shooting a pathetic 34.6% from mid-range this season, and for his career year-by-year is a worse mid-range shooter than LeBron, by a decent margin...

LeBron is someone that was the 2nd best mid-range shooter across all perimeter stars in 2011, btw.

[tmacattack33]

Key word: WHEN

He need a running start, else, he is really stoppable.

That is not the case, but even if it was, you can't guarantee that you'll be able to stop him from running...unless you never shoot the ball on offense so that the Cavs can never run off of a defensive rebound.

Or, you tell your team to sprint back right after shooting the ball, which would then mean your team will get 0 offensive rebounds.

[K Xerxes]

I want to say Harden might be higher,.

...unless it's an important game in the playoffs, in which case there's a good chance harden will implode.

Lebron deserves to be ranked above Harden here purely on the basis that Harden is yet to fully convince in one playoffs run, where the refs swallow their whistle more often and are less likely to believe Harden's head jerking in reaction to slight contact.

Rest of the list is good, though I think Durant has a case over Steph

[#number6ix#]

Arbitrary Waters is on a murder spree in this thread

[aj1987]

You went through the effort to find a bunch of links to support an outdated graphic of yours, and moved the goal post since you lost the one relevant point of yours I adressed, which was LeBron is having a worse shooting season than Rubio...

I corrected your mistake.

What else is left of you other than being butthurt and posting articles that are irrelevant?

Pro tip, take the L, and leave it at that... less butthurt, less bullshit.
I did admit that I was wrong and said that LeBron has CONSCIOUSLY improved his shot over the last couple of games.

Since you probably missed it.

Oh, and apparently LeBron actually saw the picture and is making a conscious effort to up his percentages. Good on him. The last 3-4 games definitely helped him bump it up ~4%. He really should stop working on losing/gaining weight during the offseason and work on his jumper with a GOOD shooting coach.

If you can't understand that, I'll put it in Google translate and translate it into Kraut for you. :cheers:


Rubio: 34.4% (122 FGA)
LeBron: 36.3% (153 FGA)

Frankly, its not even close, so it surprises me how wrong you are...
Wait. How is 34.4% "not even close" to 36.3%? Actually, LeBron is now at 35.7% for the season from mid-range. That's 1.3% more than Rubio and he was actually WORSE than Rubio before his last couple of games, during which he tried to up his percentages. LeBron literally makes 0.3 shots more from mid-range than Rubio per game, which comes out to .6 points more.


in fact, LeBron James is not just having a decent shooting season from mid-range, he's also continuing the trend of being a much better mid-ranger shooter than Dwyane Wade, who actually is one of the more terrible shooters in the NBA (he needs to get himself a good shooting coach).

Wade: 34.6% (240 FGA)

Damn, Wade on his Ricky Rubio tip.

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:

How can anyone be this retarded? LeBron, the guy who's shooting 35.7% from mid-range, is having a "decent shooting season from mid-range", but the guy who is shooting 34.6% (on a significantly more number of shots) is terrible? Wade was at 39% before his last two terrible shooting games, BTW. It's also funny that you LeBron turds call Kobe a terrible shooter this season and yet, he's still shooting better from mid-range than LeBron.

Oh well, LeBron can give up wide open 15ft shots to put the game away (like today), while Wade doesn't have that luxury to pad his stats.


Wade is actually shooting a pathetic 34.6% from mid-range this season, and for his career year-by-year is a worse mid-range shooter than LeBron, by a decent margin...

LeBron is someone that was the 2nd best mid-range shooter across all perimeter stars in 2011, btw.
Yeah, he was deadly from mid-range in the Finals. Especially in the clutch. :roll:

2004 - 30.8% 33.2%
2005 - 39.4% 36%
2006 - 38.4% 38.4%
2007 - 38.1% 35.1%
2008 - 37.5% 36.4%
2009 - 41.6% 36.8%
2010 - 36.1% 38.8%
2011 - 40.3% 44.6%
2012 - 39.5% 42.3%
2013 - 38.9% 43.2%
2014 - 42.9% 38.5%
2015 - 40.3% 37%
2016 - 34.6% 35.7%

Wade and LeBron from mid-range throughout their career. So, Wade has 6 seasons in which he shot better than LeBron and LeBron has 5. The funny thing is, the only times LeBron shot over 40% was when he played with Wade. Looks like he can't win rings or shoot over 40% without Wade. :oldlol:

Edit: I didn't count this season as it's not over yet and the "decent" 36.3% is down to 35.7% with a single game.

[Meticode]

Water is wet. When you have a player that can drain 30 foot three pointers like their nothing. He's going to get voted number one.

He'll they'll purposely foul at the end of quarters to make Golden State shoot free throws versus letting Curry take the final shot. It's ridiculous.

[Angel Face]

You can't guard him if you can't touch him. No hand checking makes Steph unstoppable.

[icewill36]

Only 2 dozen? That's not a lot of people

[AirBonner]

You can't guard him if you can't touch him. No hand checking makes Steph unstoppable.
This. Thread title should say " Steph Curry +refs = unguardable"

[Dragonyeuw]

This. Thread title should say " Steph Curry +refs = unguardable"

More like + modern rules+ unguardable. That said, there's no way he wouldn't be successful in past eras. Maybe not to his current level, but no-one in the history of the league has had this combined level of shooting ability and handles. I could see him being impacted by the physical style of the 90's, playing against those Knicks/Pacers/Heat squads, but a player who can accurately shoot from beyond 25 feet, and looks to do so for half of his shot attempts, is going to cause defensive problems no matter the era.

[Trollsmasher]

damn, aj getting obliterated by my man

[plowking]

More like + modern rules+ unguardable. That said, there's no way he wouldn't be successful in past eras. Maybe not to his current level, but no-one in the history of the league has had this combined level of shooting ability and handles. I could see him being impacted by the physical style of the 90's, playing against those Knicks/Pacers/Heat squads, but a player who can accurately shoot from beyond 25 feet, and looks to do so for half of his shot attempts, is going to cause defensive problems no matter the era.

You couldn't use any force to stop a player with a handcheck in the 90's. The 90's isn't anymore physical than today's era. The only difference is you get a tech called quicker, and the game resumes faster than it did before.

Can you imagine Curry in the 1 on 1 style that made up a large chunk of the 90's? He'd be even better and more unstoppable.

[Stout]

This should have been obvious.

[Rocketswin2013]

I think Durant in an extremely high-usage role is equally as unstoppable. Durant is one of the most complete scorers ever. Elite from slashing to spotting up, hand offs, posting up, as a roll man, etc.

[riseagainst]

Harden should be number 2. You literally cannot even breath next to him or they call a foul on him.

[WorldWarriors]

LOL doesn't the "no handcheck" rule apply to all players?:oldlol:
What players don't benefit from it?

And as far as ref help goes, he barely averages 5 ft attempts a game. That's not a lot of "ref help". As a matter of fact, he's averaging the least amount of fta out of any of those guys on the list.

[Dragonyeuw]

You couldn't use any force to stop a player with a handcheck in the 90's. The 90's isn't anymore physical than today's era. The only difference is you get a tech called quicker, and the game resumes faster than it did before.

Can you imagine Curry in the 1 on 1 style that made up a large chunk of the 90's? He'd be even better and more unstoppable.

Maybe we were watching two different leagues, because I recall the 90's being a good deal more physical. Maybe not league-wide, but at the least with those teams I mentioned. I recall the days of Knicks-Pacers 70-68 wrestling matches, guys like Mason, Oakley, The Davis Boys, Ewing, etc. But anyways, this level of shooting would transcend any era.

[WorldWarriors]

Maybe we were watching two different leagues, because I recall the 90's being a good deal more physical. Maybe not league-wide, but at the least with those teams I mentioned. I recall the days of Knicks-Pacers 70-68 wrestling matches, guys like Mason, Oakley, The Davis Boys, Ewing, etc. But anyways, this level of shooting would transcend any era.

The Knicks had Jordan hitting the weight room. They beat the crap out of him. Oakley was on the Bulls then. But that was the east. I don't think the west teams were nearly as physical.

[Lebronxrings]

What do they mean by toughest to guard? 1v1? Its easy to guard curry. In the flow of the game with 5 screens on you, and curry pulling up from 30? Then yeah its tough.

[Dragonyeuw]

The Knicks had Jordan hitting the weight room. They beat the crap out of him. Oakley was on the Bulls then. But that was the east. I don't think the west teams were nearly as physical.

Yes, the east and west conferences had pretty distinctive styles in general.

[aj1987]

damn, aj getting obliterated by my man
Solid post as always.

AutisticWater, you might want to update Wade's and LeBron's mid-range numbers.

[aj1987]

Updated numbers for AutisticWater:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbNYobIUkAAkoI0.png

[sammichoffate]

Updated numbers for AutisticWater:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbNYobIUkAAkoI0.pngKobe shooting better than Bran at age 37 :bowdown:

[Chadwin]

guide to defending Bran this year:

Let him shoot if he's farther than 10 feet from the basket

4-6 Feet - Open 31.9%
6+ Feet - Wide Open 40.2%

[aj1987]

Updated mid-range for AutisticWater.

Wade:

http://s10.postimg.org/ys8aavu2h/Screen_Shot_2016_04_03_at_2_56_01_AM.png

LeBron:

http://s27.postimg.org/b0n03iroj/Screen_Shot_2016_04_03_at_2_56_32_AM.png

[Dray n Klay]

So LeBron is the better mid range shooter than Wade?

Thanks

[aj1987]

So LeBron is the better mid range shooter than Wade?

Thanks
You tell me, ****.

Player A: 36.9% on 428 shots
Player B: 36.6% on 298 shots

[Dray n Klay]

You tell me, ****.

Player A: 36.9% on 428 shots
Player B: 36.6% on 298 shots

Wade has spacing and shooters around him, so what? :confusedshrug:


Make them switch teams and LeBrons shooting 40%+ from midrange

[aj1987]

Wade has spacing and shooters around him, so what? :confusedshrug:


Make them switch teams and LeBrons shooting 40%+ from midrange
The Heat are the WORST 3pt shooting team in the league and the Cavs are among the best:

http://s29.postimg.org/gd397mo8n/Screen_Shot_2016_04_03_at_3_27_44_AM.png
http://s16.postimg.org/ymwmkoap1/Screen_Shot_2016_04_03_at_3_27_56_AM.png



http://s29.postimg.org/qbo7u3xo7/Screen_Shot_2016_04_03_at_3_28_49_AM.png
http://s29.postimg.org/s612bukon/Screen_Shot_2016_04_03_at_3_29_02_AM.png

[Dray n Klay]

The Heat are the WORST 3pt shooting team in the league and the Cavs are among the best:



I'm not surprised, your 'best player' in Wade takes 3-4 3's a game and can't make a single one.


That affects teammates as well, its hard getting open 3's when Wade is killing the spacing on offense.

[aj1987]

I'm not surprised, your 'best player' in Wade takes 3-4 3's a game and can't make a single one.


That affects teammates as well, its hard getting open 3's when Wade is killing the spacing on offense.
http://s10.postimg.org/dgay0xbax/Screen_Shot_2016_04_03_at_3_37_34_AM.png/

0.6 3's a game.

Meanwhile, LeBrick is taking 4 a game and bricking over 70% of them. Did you watch the game last night, BTW? Dude was like 1-6 in the 4th and OT. :roll: :roll:

[Dray n Klay]

http://s10.postimg.org/dgay0xbax/Screen_Shot_2016_04_03_at_3_37_34_AM.png/

0.6 3's a game.

Meanwhile, LeBrick is taking 4 a game and bricking over 70% of them. Did you watch the game last night, BTW? Dude was like 1-6 in the 4th and OT. :roll: :roll:

Why can't Wade take more 3's? Look at Steph, his 3 pointers open up the court for teammates. Why can't Wade do the same and give his teammates open looks? Instead he dribbles the ball for 20 seconds and expects everyone to be spot-up shooters. No wonder noone on that team can make a 3.


Wade is a cancer

[aj1987]

Why can't Wade take more 3's? Look at Steph, his 3 pointers open up the court for teammates. Why can't Wade do the same and give his teammates open looks? Instead he dribbles the ball for 20 seconds and expects everyone to be spot-up shooters. No wonder noone on that team can make a 3.


Wade is a cancer
Yo, prime LeBron is not able to win 60 games with basically the EC All-Star team.

Wade without LeBron = 1 ring

LeBron without Wade = Perennial choker

:roll: :roll:

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg

[Dray n Klay]

Yo, prime LeBron is not able to win 60 games with basically the EC All-Star team.


LeBron without Wade = Perennial choker

:roll: :roll:

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn200/nbacardDOTnet/zz%20NBA%20Photo%20Gallery/z%20Funny%20NBA%20Photos/Funny%20NBA%20Record/Lebron%20James/aka%20big%20choker/lebron-james-2011-nba-final-4q.jpg


Yet you post an image of LeBron with Wade


Not very bright are you :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[aj1987]

Yet you post an image of LeBron with Wade


Not very bright are you :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
2007 Finals
2008 ECSF

Wade never had a series as horrendous as those.

Heck, first 4 games 19/6/9 on 26% shooting with 6 TOV's a game. I don't thing anyone EVER had a worse stretch in the PO's.

Again, Wade - LeBron = 1 ring. LeBron - Wade = perennial choker.

[Dray n Klay]

2007 Finals
2008 ECSF

Wade never had a series as horrendous as those.

Heck, first 4 games 19/6/9 on 26% shooting with 6 TOV's a game. I don't thing anyone EVER had a worse stretch in the PO's.

Again, Wade - LeBron = 1 ring. LeBron - Wade = perennial choker.

Wade was getting swept in the 1st round and missing the playoffs in those seasons :oldlol:


Wade was worse in 2007 btw

[aj1987]

Wade was getting swept in the 1st round and missing the playoffs in those seasons :oldlol:


Wade was worse in 2007 btw
Wade's 2007 series was better than LeBron's '11 Finals, AutisticWater.

Wade - LeBron = 1 ring. LeBron - Wade = perennial choker.


Wade:

http://s10.postimg.org/ys8aavu2h/Screen_Shot_2016_04_03_at_2_56_01_AM.png

LeBron:

http://s27.postimg.org/b0n03iroj/Screen_Shot_2016_04_03_at_2_56_32_AM.png

[ArbitraryWater]

update for aj "Wade better mid range than Bron" indian


Bron mid-range:https://i.gyazo.com/ae915ca7bb62d85e67421408a5195841.png
Wade mid-range: https://i.gyazo.com/72f170252847069d25b87574562606fe.png

No discernible difference.

Guess its time to shut up, ol' Indian boy.

[LakersForlife]

Wheres klay thompson?

[LAZERUSS]

Has anyone seen a survey regarding easiest player to score against?

GAC would certainly be at the top.

[KiiiiNG]

Lebron's best ability is passing.

I'd rather guard Magic than Jordan. MJ will humiliate ME. Magic will humiliate my teammate who was supposed to be guarding Kareem.
Yeah... let's just forget that he's a career 27ppg scorer. :rolleyes:

His best abilities are BOTH.. - that's why he's the GOAT.

[TheImmortal]

how did lebran make the top 5 :biggums:
This. :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[imdaman99]

how did lebran make the top 5 :biggums:
Well, who really likes getting stiff-armed to the chest and having the ref ignore it? :oldlol:

[sd3035]

Curry and Durant (when he's trying) are the two of the three most unguardable players of all time, along with prime Shaq

[Straight_Ballin]

of two dozen nba coaches, assistants, and players.
Top 5 Offensive Players Based on Anonymous Survey
1. Steph Curry
2. Kevin Durant
3. Russell Westbrook
4. James Harden
5. LeBron James

http://www.latimes.com/sports/nba/la-sp-nba-tough-to-defend-20160110-story.html

Good list.

[aj1987]

update for aj "Wade better mid range than Bron" indian


Bron mid-range:https://i.gyazo.com/ae915ca7bb62d85e67421408a5195841.png
Wade mid-range: https://i.gyazo.com/72f170252847069d25b87574562606fe.png

No discernible difference.

Guess its time to shut up, ol' Indian boy.
Let me remind you of what you actually said, AutisticWater:


in fact, LeBron James is not just having a decent shooting season from mid-range, he's also continuing the trend of being a much better mid-ranger shooter than Dwyane Wade, who actually is one of the more terrible shooters in the NBA (he needs to get himself a good shooting coach).


LeBron was not only not a "much better" mid-range shooter, but he was only 0.1% better than Wade while taking significantly fewer shots.

[ArbitraryWater]

Let me remind you of what you actually said, AutisticWater:




LeBron was not only not a "much better" mid-range shooter, but he was only 0.1% better than Wade while taking significantly fewer shots.

:biggums:

That was months ago, dummie. Yay, its only a 0.1% difference now. Good for Wade.

[aj1987]

:biggums:

That was months ago, dummie. Yay, its only a 0.1% difference now. Good for Wade.
When you posted that, LeBron was shooting 1.8% better than Wade. :facepalm

How do you even function being this dumb, dude?

[ArbitraryWater]

Let me remind you of what you actually said, AutisticWater:




LeBron was not only not a "much better" mid-range shooter, but he was only 0.1% better than Wade while taking significantly fewer shots.

You fckn bozo :oldlol:

How do you have the nerves to claim anything or twist things, when you couldnt even properly use sources at the time? :roll:


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2603478-lebron-james-has-been-nbas-worst-shooter-outside-paint-during-2015-16-season
http://www.complex.com/sports/2015/12/lebron-james-worst-shooter-nba-this-season
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2015/12/29/think-kobe-bryant-has-been-a-bad-shooter-lebron-james-has-been-worse/
https://www.slantnews.com/story/2016-01-04-how-lebron-james-became-the-worst-shooter-in-the-nba
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/basketball/cleveland-cavaliers-forward-lebron-james-might-be-the-worst-shooter-in-the-nba-20151229-glwkpr.html
http://www.realtytoday.com/articles/68627/20151231/lebron-james-2015-nba-worst-shooter-list-includes-cleveland-cavaliers-star-player.htm
http://marquelaries.sportsblog.com/posts/9781562/lebron-james-the-worst-shooter-in-the-nba-.html
http://clutchpoints.com/lebron-james-has-been-the-worst-jump-shooter-in-the-nba-this-season/

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/01/11/lebron-james-improved-shooting-graphic-stats-cleveland-cavaliers

Your response to my updated stats were freakin weeks old articles :roll:

That was a response to YOU trying to group him with Rubio, but leaving out guys like Wade, who were ACTUALLY Rubio level % wise, where as LeBron shot 1.7% higher than Wade at the time....

now you're flip flopping with the exact descriptions, like you didnt already fck that up by putting Bron on Rubio's mid-range level :oldlol:

Get outta here.

[riseagainst]

How did Lebron make the top 5?

:biggums:

[aj1987]

You fcyn bozo

How do you have the nerves to claim anything or twist things, when you couldnt even properly use sources at the time? :roll:
****, you're retarded. No wonder the name AutisticWater stuck.




Your response to my updated stats were freakin weeks old articles :roll:

That was a response to YOU trying to group him with Rubio, but leaving out guys like Wade, who were ACTUALLY Rubio level % wise, where as LeBron shot 1.7% higher than Wade at the time....

now you're flip flopping with the exact descriptions, like you didnt already fck that up by putting Bron on Rubio's mid-range level

Get outta here.


I did admit that I was wrong and said that LeBron has CONSCIOUSLY improved his shot over the last couple of games.

Since you probably missed it.

Oh, and apparently LeBron actually saw the picture and is making a conscious effort to up his percentages. Good on him. The last 3-4 games definitely helped him bump it up ~4%. He really should stop working on losing/gaining weight during the offseason and work on his jumper with a GOOD shooting coach.

If you can't understand that, I'll put it in Google translate and translate it into Kraut for you. :cheers:


Wait. How is 34.4% "not even close" to 36.3%? Actually, LeBron is now at 35.7% for the season from mid-range. That's 1.3% more than Rubio and he was actually WORSE than Rubio before his last couple of games, during which he tried to up his percentages. LeBron literally makes 0.3 shots more from mid-range than Rubio per game, which comes out to .6 points more.




How can anyone be this retarded? LeBron, the guy who's shooting 35.7% from mid-range, is having a "decent shooting season from mid-range", but the guy who is shooting 34.6% (on a significantly more number of shots) is terrible? Wade was at 39% before his last two terrible shooting games, BTW. It's also funny that you LeBron turds call Kobe a terrible shooter this season and yet, he's still shooting better from mid-range than LeBron.

Oh well, LeBron can give up wide open 15ft shots to put the game away (like today), while Wade doesn't have that luxury to pad his stats.


Yeah, he was deadly from mid-range in the Finals. Especially in the clutch. :roll:

2004 - 30.8% 33.2%
2005 - 39.4% 36%
2006 - 38.4% 38.4%
2007 - 38.1% 35.1%
2008 - 37.5% 36.4%
2009 - 41.6% 36.8%
2010 - 36.1% 38.8%
2011 - 40.3% 44.6%
2012 - 39.5% 42.3%
2013 - 38.9% 43.2%
2014 - 42.9% 38.5%
2015 - 40.3% 37%
2016 - 34.6% 35.7%

Wade and LeBron from mid-range throughout their career. So, Wade has 6 seasons in which he shot better than LeBron and LeBron has 5. The funny thing is, the only times LeBron shot over 40% was when he played with Wade. Looks like he can't win rings or shoot over 40% without Wade. :oldlol:

Edit: I didn't count this season as it's not over yet and the "decent" 36.3% is down to 35.7% with a single game.


My response to you. Now go back to rubbing it out to LeBron/Dirk highlights or shitposting on one of your dozen alts.

LeBron being a significantly better mid-range shooter than Wade... SMDH! One of the most retarded shit anyone EVER has said.

[pegasus]

How did Lebron make the top 5?

:biggums:
Some people thought the question was "Who's the toughest player to coach?" and responded accordingly.

[Showtime2001]

Some people thought the question was "Who's the toughest player to coach?" and responded accordingly.
:roll: :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

****, you're retarded. No wonder the name AutisticWater stuck.








My response to you. Now go back to rubbing it out to LeBron/Dirk highlights or shitposting on one of your dozen alts.

LeBron being a significantly better mid-range shooter than Wade... SMDH! One of the most retarded shit anyone EVER has said.

Classic shitposting.. just repeat your old shit. LeBron has shot it better from mid since 2010 every year but twice, so its appropriate to say hes continuing his TREND of being a better mid range shooter :applause:

Has Wade gotten a shooting coach yet? He should have time for one in a few days.

[aj1987]

Classic shitposting.. just repeat your old shit. LeBron has shot it better from mid since 2010 every year but twice, so its appropriate to say hes continuing his TREND of being a better mid range shooter :applause:
I provided that data, retard.

2004 - 30.8% 33.2%
2005 - 39.4% 36%
2006 - 38.4% 38.4%
2007 - 38.1% 35.1%
2008 - 37.5% 36.4%
2009 - 41.6% 36.8%
2010 - 36.1% 38.8%
2011 - 40.3% 44.6%
2012 - 39.5% 42.3%
2013 - 38.9% 43.2%
2014 - 42.9% 38.5%
2015 - 40.3% 37%
2016 - 34.6% 35.7%

For their careers, Wade is a 38.9% mid-range shooter. LeBron is at 38.4%. According to your retarded "logic, Wade is a much better mid-range shooter than LeBron. Also, Wade does it it on more attempts a game. This season alone, he took like 150 shots more than LeBron from mid-range.


Has Wade gotten a shooting coach yet? He should have time for one in a few days.
LeBron should've gotten one. Probably wouldn't have been embarrassed in the Finals by a bench player and dude who looks like he's still a teenager.

Another fun fact for you, AutisticWater:

Wade - 37.4% on 804 jumpshots this season
LeBron - 34.7% on 732 jumpshots this season

[Steven Kerry]

Not even slightly surprising.

[ArbitraryWater]

I provided that data, retard.

you managed that, but you're still coming to the wrong conclusions :oldlol:

thanks for prodiving :cheers: LeBron continuing the trend of superior mid range shooter :applause:

[aj1987]

you managed that, but you're still coming to the wrong conclusions :oldlol:

thanks for prodiving :cheers: LeBron continuing the trend of superior mid range shooter :applause:
I'm coming to the wrong conclusions?


For their careers, Wade is a 38.9% mid-range shooter. LeBron is at 38.4%. According to your retarded "logic, Wade is a much better mid-range shooter than LeBron. Also, Wade does it it on more attempts a game. This season alone, he took like 150 shots more than LeBron from mid-range.

How freaking retarded can a person be? :facepalm