Replace Kobe with Dirk on Shaq's Lakers teams...

[Jameerthefear]

How does Dirk do?

[Mr Feeny]

How does Dirk do?

I think they win 99-2004 so 5 titles.

Op stays winning:rockon:

[Black and White]

Hard to replace a guard with a forward Jam....

But that is one hell of a front court

[SpaceJam]

I think they win 99-2004 so 5 titles.

Op stays winning:rockon:

He's a Magic fan, he doesn't know what winning is :biggums:

[Prime_Shaq]

They compliment each othet very well, who replaces Kobe in the wing though?

[Bandito]

He's a Magic fan, he doesn't know what winning is :biggums:
:yaohappy:

[Combat Wombat]

Oh look, Jaqueer is talking to himself again.

[imnew09]

Its like replacing a d!ck to your v@gina Queer, its pointless because they dont complement each other

[JohnMax]

Dirk and Kobe are both better than Shaq.

[SouBeachTalents]

Dirk and Kobe are both better than Shaq.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBPqksG9nbA

[Smoke117]

They compliment each othet very well, who replaces Kobe in the wing though?

Would there have been any point in trading Eddie Jones if Kobe wasn't there and Dirk was? So there you go...Eddie Jones replaces him. I'm still baffled why they even did that trade...an old ass Glen Rice for Eddie Jones and Elden Campbell? Why couldn't they just move Jones or kobe to sf? Considering Glen Rice was a horrible defensive player and rebounder...it's not like his size mattered much. Eddie Jones was also never a guy who was demanding shots...Rice was whining all year long in 2000. I've never got why they did that trade. It's the reason why they had to start old ass AC Green at PF too.

[Prime_Shaq]

Dirk and Kobe are both better than Shaq.
Err...

[magnax1]

They're probably not nearly as good unless you transplant 05-11 Dirk. Probably still win a championship or two with Dirk in his best years though.

[Nick Young]

How does Dirk do?
Badly. Dirk can't play All-NBA First Team DPOTY shut down D like Kobe Bryant used to be able to do

[Nick Young]

Would there have been any point in trading Eddie Jones if Kobe wasn't there and Dirk was? So there you go...Eddie Jones replaces him. I'm still baffled why they even did that trade...an old ass Glen Rice for Eddie Jones and Elden Campbell? Why couldn't they just move Jones or kobe to sf? Considering Glen Rice was a horrible defensive player and rebounder...it's not like his size mattered much. Eddie Jones was also never a guy who was demanding shots...Rice was whining all year long in 2000. I've never got why they did that trade. It's the reason why they had to start old ass AC Green at PF too.
Doesn't matter who starts at PF when you have MDE Shaq at C. Even Slava Medvedenko was good enough to start on title winning teams.

Glen Rice was one of the best shooters in the league, perfect fit for the triangle offense next to Shaq in the low post and Kobe on the perimeter.

[plowking]

They'd be awesome to watch. I think they do well.

It'd be awesome seeing down screens for Dirk by Shaq, have him curl off screens so close to the basket. Then you have him feeding it back to Shaq. Shaq was and probably is to this date one of the best players ever rolling to the basket on those close to the basket screens.

Just watching these two work off the low block and the elbow, constantly switching and screening would be optimal efficiency. Then you have Dirk who has the ability to step outside and make it rain. Crazy combo.

[ArbitraryWater]

Win from 2001-2004, easily.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

They might be better w/ Dirk, tbh

My only concerns would be playmaking (Phil suggested Kobe was one of the greatest playmakers he's coached) and defense, which Kobe actually played in the early 2000s.

On offense they would be greater because of Dirk's spacing.

[Stout]

He's a Magic fan, he doesn't know what winning is :biggums:
:roll:

[brain drain]

Shaq + Dirk would've been absolutely impossible to defend. Either you let Shaq go one on one or you leave Dirk open. Pick one.

I'm also pretty sure they'd won more titles, because Dirk's about as unselfish as it gets for a super star, that tandem wouldn't have been ripped apart prematurely by ego problems.

And the spacing for the rest of the team would've been unreal. Layup lanes left and right.

[brain drain]

My only concerns would be playmaking (Phil suggested Kobe was one of the greatest playmakers he's coached) and defense, which Kobe actually played in the early 2000s.

You don't need the greates playmaker in the world when you have Shaq and Dirk as targets. Derek Fisher would've been fine.

[ImKobe]

None if you just replace Kobe with Dirk

Now you're relying on Fisher to run the triangle :kobe:

A lot of people still seem to believe that replacing Kobe with someone who could score 20+ ppg yields same or better results without realizing that Kobe was also the playmaker and the best defender on that team in the early 2000s, you replace him with Dirk and they don't get out of the WC. Lakers barely made it to the Finals in 00, 02 and 04 with Kobe and Shaq both playing at their best, Dirk is not in the same tier as an all-around player.

[zeerghit]

None if you just replace Kobe with Dirk

Now you're relying on Fisher to run the triangle :kobe:

A lot of people still seem to believe that replacing Kobe with someone who could score 20+ ppg yields same or better results without realizing that Kobe was also the playmaker and the best defender on that team in the early 2000s, you replace him with Dirk and they don't get out of the WC. Lakers barely made it to the Finals in 00, 02 and 04 with Kobe and Shaq both playing at their best, Dirk is not in the same tier as an all-around player.
f*ck kobe

[Smoke117]

Doesn't matter who starts at PF when you have MDE Shaq at C. Even Slava Medvedenko was good enough to start on title winning teams.

Glen Rice was one of the best shooters in the league, perfect fit for the triangle offense next to Shaq in the low post and Kobe on the perimeter.

Eddie Jones shot .375% on 4.3 3pt attempts in 2000...Glen Rice shot .367% on 2.9 attempts. :yaohappy: If you know anything about Glen Rice you'd know that what he liked to do most of the time was go into the mid post...hard to get any shots there when you are playing with Shaq. He was a terrible fit on the Lakers. He averaged 12.5 ppg on .533%ts in the playoffs...you are trying to tell me Eddie Jones couldnt do better than that? He would have and he was one of the top defensive players at the guard position in the league.

It was a horrible and unnecessary trade, period. The fact that Eddie and Kobe were actually good friends only makes it worse since Kobe isolated himself from his teammates throughout the Shaq era. Eddie Jones was an unselfish player who played tough defense...perfect guy to put next to a Shaq and Kobe. As I said...all Glen Rice did was bitch...and he was such a "perfect fit" that he only lasted one season.

[catch24]

They might be better w/ Dirk, tbh

My only concerns would be playmaking (Phil suggested Kobe was one of the greatest playmakers he's coached) and defense, which Kobe actually played in the early 2000s.

On offense they would be greater because of Dirk's spacing.

Those are legit concerns, which lead me to think LA doesn't win as many. Without Kobe thoroughly destroying Sacramento and San Antonio, I doubt they beat those teams that also did a great job on Shaq. Heck what if Kobe gets to play with Nash? They would be a great fit assuming Cuban gets them a decent big.

Frobe attacked the basket and put pressure on defenses back then. Without his playmaking (underrated), defense (underrated those days) and aggression, I just don't see us winning as many, even with "better chemistry".

Just my 2 cents

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe led the Lakers in scoring and assist through the first 3 rounds of both the 01 and 02 playoffs while leading the league in 4th quarter playoff scoring and playing all nba level defense

let that sink in..He led the team in scoring and assist through the first three rounds of the playoffs in both 01 and 02.. while being the best second half player in the league and playing amazing defense..

Dirk isn't replacing that

[Smoke117]

Kobe led the Lakers in scoring and assist through the first 3 rounds of both the 01 and 02 playoffs while leading the league in 4th quarter playoff scoring and playing all nba level defense

let that sink in..He led the team in scoring and assist through the first three rounds of the playoffs in both 01 and 02.. while being the best second half player in the league and playing amazing defense..

Dirk isn't replacing that

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/michael-jordan-laugh.gif

There were, at least, a dozen sg's playing "all nba level defense" if what Kobe has played for the majority of his career is "amazing defense". His best defensive season was by far 2000...before he decided he needed to drop 30ppg and the effort fell off big time on the defensive end. My only conclusion can be that defense is just something Kobe stans don't understand.

[TheMarkMadsen]

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/michael-jordan-laugh.gif

There were, at least, a dozen sg's playing "all nba level defense" if what Kobe has played for the majority of his career is "amazing defense". His best defensive season was by far 2000...before he decided he needed to drop 30ppg and the effort fell off big time on the defensive end. My only conclusion can be that defense is just something Kobe stans don't understand.


your analysis on Kobe is always great, keep it up.

[Hey Yo]

Kobe led the Lakers in scoring and assist through the first 3 rounds of both the 01 and 02 playoffs while leading the league in 4th quarter playoff scoring and playing all nba level defense

let that sink in..He led the team in scoring and assist through the first three rounds of the playoffs in both 01 and 02.. while being the best second half player in the league and playing amazing defense..

Dirk isn't replacing that
Hey look...a Kobe fan referring to what Kobe did "before" the Finals.

Who would have thunk??

:oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Hey look...a Kobe fan referring to what Kobe did "before" the Finals.

Who would have thunk??

:oldlol:


yeah lets just ignore the first three series of the playoffs, and 6 out of 8 series overall.. those aren't important or anything. ****ing doofus :oldlol: :oldlol:

lead the team in scoring and assist through the first three rounds of 01 and 02, had finals of 26/8/6 and 27/6/5.. 2 led the league in 4th quarter scoring in the playoffs for 01 and 02.. stay mad

[Gus Hemmingway]

Hey look...a Kobe fan referring to what Kobe did "before" the Finals.

Who would have thunk??

:oldlol:
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

yeah lets just ignore the first three series of the playoffs, and 6 out of 8 series overall.. those aren't important or anything. ****ing doofus :oldlol: :oldlol:

lead the team in scoring and assist through the first three rounds of 01 and 02, had finals of 26/8/6 and 27/6/5.. 2 led the league in 4th quarter scoring in the playoffs for 01 and 02.. stay mad
Kobe fans are the only ones who brag about what he did before the Finals.....because they know he constantly under-achieved in the Finals even though playing with the MDE who took over in the Finals.

[catch24]

Hey look...a Kobe fan referring to what Kobe did "before" the Finals.

Who would have thunk??

:oldlol:

He was great in the 2001 and 2002 finals.

Verse the Nets he averaged ~27/6/5 on 62%TS
Against the Sixers he put up ~27/9/6 on 54% TS after Game 1 (the one and ONLY loss LA had that postseason).

Not sure why LeBron fans are trash talking, when their guy had a worse finals performance than all of Kobe's combined. :confusedshrug:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe fans are the only ones who brag about what he did before the Finals.....because they know he constantly under-achieved in the Finals even though playing with the MDE who took over in the Finals.


this is some astronomically dumb shit right here, so 3/4 of the playoffs don't matter? The **** is this shit :oldlol:

you do realize that this thread is about another player replacing Kobe? So looking at the totality of each playoff run is extremely relevant here, or are you just too blinded by your insecurity to realize such a simple concept?

and why are you even trying to act like Kobe wasn't playing well in the finals during the years I mentioned? Combined finals average of 26/6/5 on 45%

try harder next time to not come off as a complete moron :confusedshrug:

[ArbitraryWater]

Those are legit concerns, which lead me to think LA doesn't win as many. Without Kobe thoroughly destroying Sacramento and San Antonio, I doubt they beat those teams that also did a great job on Shaq. Heck what if Kobe gets to play with Nash? They would be a great fit assuming Cuban gets them a decent big.

Frobe attacked the basket and put pressure on defenses back then. Without his playmaking (underrated), defense (underrated those days) and aggression, I just don't see us winning as many, even with "better chemistry".

Just my 2 cents

thats a great exaggeration of what he did :oldlol:

I think we can agree 2001 is a chip with most replacements of Dirk's level, so what amazing destruction was it by Kobe in 2002 that keeps Dirk from doing that? Was it his amazing defense?

"aggression" foh :facepalm that was right off the top of your head when it came to the question of Dirk replacing him, right? They might lack aggression now?


He was great in the 2001 and 2002 finals.

Verse the Nets he averaged ~27/6/5 on 62%TS
Against the Sixers he put up ~27/9/6 on 54% TS after Game 1 (the one and ONLY loss LA had that postseason).

Not sure why LeBron fans are trash talking, when their guy had a worse finals performance than all of Kobe's combined. :confusedshrug:

since when are you going the Magic 32 route?

Stop trolling, he wasn't great.

2002 is the only 'great' finals series of his career, by absolutely no coincedence it was a 4-game series....

[TheMarkMadsen]

thats a great exaggeration of what he did :oldlol:

I think we can agree 2001 is a chip with most replacements of Dirk's level, so what amazing destruction was it by Kobe in 2002 that keeps Dirk from doing that? Was it his amazing defense?

"aggression" foh :facepalm that was right off the top of your head when it came to the question of Dirk replacing him, right? They might lack aggression now?


nonsense. You are talking about replacing one of the greatest players of all time on the greatest playoff team of all time and saying they'd easily win a chip. Get the hell out of here dude.. That team went undefeated in the Western Conference playoffs with Kobe averaging 31/7/7 leading the team in both scoring and assist, including a very close series against the Kings. You seriously have no idea what you're talking about.




thats a great exaggeration of what he did

you are clueless

in what world is this not destroying the Kings

2001 = 35/9/4/2/1 on 59% TS

if you think 2001 or 2002 Dirk was on 2001 and 2002 Kobe's level you are seriously mistaken

[catch24]

thats a great exaggeration of what he did :oldlol:

I think we can agree 2001 is a chip with most replacements of Dirk's level, so what amazing destruction was it by Kobe in 2002 that keeps Dirk from doing that? Was it his amazing defense?

So.. Kobe didn't play great defense, wasn't an elite playmaker or one of the BEST slashers in the game at the time?

Guess I am the only poster here who watched then. :confusedshrug:



since when are you going the Magic 32 route?

Stop trolling, he wasn't great.

2002 is the only 'great' finals series of his career, by absolutely no coincedence it was a 4-game series....

How am I trolling? Dude was really good those finals. In game 2 of the Philly series he played an all-around game on a level similar to those awesome peformances he had vs San Antonio.

Kobe haters are ridiculous. You can't praise this dude without it being considered "trolling". :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

So.. Kobe didn't play great defense, wasn't an elite playmaker or one of the BEST slashers in the game at the time?

Guess I am the only poster here who watched then. :confusedshrug:




How am I trolling? He was really good those finals. In game 2 of the Philly series he played an all-around game on a level similar to those awesome series he had vs the Spurs.

Kobe haters are ridiculous. You can't praise this dude without it being considered trolling. :oldlol:

why would we miraculously cut out game 1? :oldlol:

I'm not gonna leave out game 1 to avoid his putrid scoring efficiency and act like he was great...


**** it, if you can't see Dirk and Shaq would go like butter and bread and be an absolute inside-out nightmare for defenses, more so than Kobe/Shaq, you're just ignorant.

[Hey Yo]

this is some astronomically dumb shit right here, so 3/4 of the playoffs don't matter? The **** is this shit :oldlol:

you do realize that this thread is about another player replacing Kobe? So looking at the totality of each playoff run is extremely relevant here, or are you just too blinded by your insecurity to realize such a simple concept?

and why are you even trying to act like Kobe wasn't playing well in the finals during the years I mentioned? Combined finals average of 26/6/5 on 45%

try harder next time to not come off as a complete moron :confusedshrug:
Only to Kobe fans who constantly show screen shots of his "in the playoffs" averages.

Those who think he is top 10 go the only route there is for him.....playoff numbers first, Finals numbers 2nd.

Who else is considered top 10 and their stans say...."look at his averages before the Finals!!!!" to back their opinions?

fact is, Kobe has 3 rings as a sidekick....2 as the first option

[catch24]

why would we miraculously cut out game 1? :oldlol:

I'm not gonna leave out game 1 to avoid his putrid scoring efficiency and act like he was great...


**** it, if you can't see Dirk and Shaq would go like butter and bread and be an absolute inside-out nightmare for defenses, more so than Kobe/Shaq, you're just ignorant.

Because it was his only REALLY bad game that series. Other than that, save for a few mediocre shooting performances, Kobe played a well rounded series.

And he was awesome against the Nets. Not sure what more you want in a sweep. :confusedshrug:

Again, I could see Dirk and Shaq playing well...just not better than Kobe and Shaq. Kobe pushed Shaq and vice versa, that plus Kobe played better defense, was a better playmaker, and put more pressure on defenses with his ability to drive than Dirk ever did.

You're the same poster that thinks Magic has ZERO case over LeBron, and you have the audacity to call somebody else ignorant? F*ck outta here dude. :oldlol:

[Wade's Rings]

Because it was his only REALLY bad game that series. Other than that, save for a few mediocre shooting performances, Kobe played a well rounded series.

And he was awesome against the Nets. Not sure what more you want in a sweep. :confusedshrug:

Again, I could see Dirk and Shaq playing well...just not better than Kobe and Shaq. Kobe pushed Shaq and vice versa, that plus Kobe played better defense, was a better playmaker, and put more pressure on defenses with his ability to drive than Dirk ever did.

You're the same poster that thinks Magic has ZERO case over LeBron, and you have the audacity to call somebody else ignorant? F*ck outta here dude. :oldlol:

He's the same poster who called Dirk the 2nd Best Player in '09.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Only to Kobe fans who constantly show screen shots of his "in the playoffs" averages.


01 playoffs = 29/7/6

02 playoffs = 27/6/5

those numbers while leading the entire nba in 4th quarter playoff scoring, leading his team in scoring and assist through the western conference playoffs in both 01 and 02, finals of 25/8/6, 27/6/5, playoff series of 35/9/4, 33/7/7, b2b 40 pt 10+ rebound games

give it up already, Kobe was great in 01 and 02 and was vital to those Lakers championships. He was their closer, their leading play-maker, their best perimeter defender. Their leading scorer through the first three rounds every year. He was the best second half player in the playoffs and had some incredible moments throughout the playoffs. Haters are really pathetic

[tpols]

Has Dirk ever even played with a dominant low post player?

[catch24]

He's the same poster who called Dirk the 2nd Best Player in '09.

He's really up in arms by me saying Kobe would win more than Dirk...and replacing him with Kobe is the hypothetical here :oldlol:

Like I said, you cannot give Kobe any credit or else you're a "biased troll". Never seen anything like it.

[tpols]

He's really up in arms by me saying Kobe would win more than Dirk...and replacing him with Kobe is the hypothetical here :oldlol:

Like I said, you cannot give Kobe any credit or else you're a "biased troll". Never seen anything like it.

these dirk fans woulda been laughed off the board if this thread was in 2010

[DMAVS41]

Different career arcs...so it's tough to say.

Dirk in 00 and 01 wasn't elite yet...the 01 Lakers got hot though...so maybe he's good enough to get it done, but it wouldn't have been nearly as easy.

02 is a no for me...the Kings series was just so close...and I don't think Dirk was as good as Kobe then.

What is interesting is after 02 for me...as Dirk was elite by then...and the chemistry issues just wouldn't be there.

I think them winning in 03 and 04 is a greater possibility....and if Shaq stays...winning in 05 and 06 is a possibility as well.

But from 00 through 02? I don't think they are winning much...maybe they win in 01 if they get hot...

[catch24]

Different career arcs...so it's tough to say.

Dirk in 00 and 01 wasn't elite yet...the 01 Lakers got hot though...so maybe he's good enough to get it done, but it wouldn't have been nearly as easy.

02 is a no for me...the Kings series was just so close...and I don't think Dirk was as good as Kobe then.

What is interesting is after 02 for me...as Dirk was elite by then...and the chemistry issues just wouldn't be there.

I think them winning in 03 and 04 is a greater possibility....and if Shaq stays...winning in 05 and 06 is a possibility as well.

But from 00 through 02? I don't think they are winning much...maybe they win in 01 if they get hot...

Totally agree.

I couldn't see Dirk replacing Kobe and LA beating the Kings AGAIN. That series, despite some bullshit calls, was as close as it got. The margin of error...too phucking small.

Your 2003 and 2004+ arguments are sound. Can't say I disagree, especially with Kobe and Shaq's relationship deteriorating.

[Magic 32]

Your 2003 and 2004+ arguments are sound. Can't say I disagree, especially with Kobe and Shaq's relationship deteriorating.

Well the Kobe and Shaq relationship wasn't the only thing that was deteriorating in 2003/2004.