Magic Criticizes ESPN For Ranking Curry Over Isiah [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

catch24

01-14-2016, 01:00 PM

Magic is right.

Curry has a lot of work to be done before we consider him top 3-5. Dude is probably the best PG not named Oscar or Magic, but his career accolades aren't up to par yet. That comes with time and longevity.

tontoz

01-14-2016, 01:00 PM

magic knows what happened in 1988

Yeah, Isiah went 4/13 in game 5 with 7 turnovers but the Pistons won by 10. Funny how nobody talks about games like that. Nobody talks about Dantley being by far the Pistons best offensive player in that series.

Old ex players routinely try to downplay the current generation. I couldn't count how many times I have heard crap like 'If Wilt/Jordan/whoever was playing today they would score 44ppg, get 15 rebounds and then sit out the 4th quarter'.

tpols

01-14-2016, 01:03 PM

but posters on ish all told me he sucked because of his TS...

34-24 Footwork

01-14-2016, 01:04 PM

Not sure if Isiah Thomas is a better basketball player than Curry, but respect should be shown. it is a little premature for ESPN to make that kind of declaration.

BIG FURB

01-14-2016, 01:18 PM

Yeah, Isiah went 4/13 in game 5 with 7 turnovers but the Pistons won by 10. Funny how nobody talks about games like that. Nobody talks about Dantley being by far the Pistons best offensive player in that series.

Old ex players routinely try to downplay the current generation. I couldn't count how many times I have heard crap like 'If Wilt/Jordan/whoever was playing today they would score 44ppg, get 15 rebounds and then sit out the 4th quarter'.

Bruh, you're arguing against magic, the GOAT PG. Take the L, understand that your over-analytical opinion is ridiculous and sit yo ass in the corner where the dumb kids go

tontoz

01-14-2016, 01:23 PM

Bruh, you're arguing against magic, the GOAT PG. Take the L, understand that your over-analytical opinion is ridiculous and sit yo ass in the corner where the dumb kids go

Julius Erving picked his all time top 5 in 2008.

Julius Erving's All-Time Starting Five

Julius Erving told USA TODAY's Chris Colston that his all-time starting five "was, is, and always will be Oscar Robertson, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Wilt Chamberlain and Bill Russell, with Connie Hawkins coming off the bench as my sixth man to play guard, forward and center."

http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/2008/07/julius-ervings-all-time-starting-five.html

Erving is a HOF player so he must be right.

Jerry West > Michael Jordan

VeeCee15

01-14-2016, 01:29 PM

the way curry is playing right now
one of the best handles
and by far the best shooter ever

he is better than MAGIC right now

jongib369

01-14-2016, 01:32 PM

Julius Erving picked his all time top 5 in 2008.

http://20secondtimeout.blogspot.com/2008/07/julius-ervings-all-time-starting-five.html

Erving is a HOF player so he must be right.

Jerry West > Michael Jordan
You missed Ervings reasoning behind it, he never said West is better than Jordan.

tontoz

01-14-2016, 01:33 PM

Walt Frazier doesn't have Jordan in his top 2.

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Levity

01-14-2016, 01:33 PM

ESPN pandering to their current demographic???

how fcking shocking!!!!!

tontoz

01-14-2016, 01:34 PM

You missed Ervings reasoning behind it, he never said West is better than Jordan.

I understand his reasoning just fine. The key distinction is that he is actually aware that it is an emotional decision, not an analytical one. Most old guys reason the same way they just don't realize it.

Bankaii

01-14-2016, 01:41 PM

Isiah and Iverson are by far the two most underrated players the last 30 years
:applause:

Da_Realist

01-14-2016, 01:51 PM

Bruh, you're arguing against magic, the GOAT PG. Take the L, understand that your over-analytical opinion is ridiculous and sit yo ass in the corner where the dumb kids go

:applause:

WayOfWade

01-14-2016, 01:57 PM

ESPN? You mean the company that proclaimed Anthony Davis as the best player in the NBA this season?

tontoz

01-14-2016, 01:59 PM

Magic of course gives no reasoning for his opinion and the sheep just follow along. Predictable as the sunrise.

Just another old ex-player with an emotional attachment to other old ex-players.

senelcoolidge

01-14-2016, 06:34 PM

Not sure if Isiah Thomas is a better basketball player than Curry, but respect should be shown. it is a little premature for ESPN to make that kind of declaration.

Every season or two espn declares someone the greatest player or player at so position..it's what they do. You can't take anything they say seriously. 3 years from now someone else will be declared the greatest at their position.

Trollsmasher

01-14-2016, 06:37 PM

Magic is actually right for once

Smoke117

01-14-2016, 06:44 PM

Isiah and Iverson are by far the two most underrated players the last 30 years

Replace underrated with overrated and you might be onto something.

sportjames23

01-14-2016, 06:46 PM

Isiah and Iverson are by far the two most underrated players the last 30 years

You forgot Ewing, too.

SsKSpurs21

01-14-2016, 06:47 PM

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sportjames23

01-14-2016, 06:48 PM

Bruh, you're arguing against magic, the GOAT PG. Take the L, understand that your over-analytical opinion is ridiculous and sit yo ass in the corner where the dumb kids go

:cheers:

4 Inches

01-14-2016, 06:50 PM

Good on magic addressing the ligthskin bias in the media. :applause:

kennethgriffin

01-14-2016, 06:59 PM

magics gonna flip out when he sees bran over bird

this curry/zeke thing aint even personal

just wait

Rocketswin2013

01-14-2016, 07:02 PM

no one is taking Thomas over Curry with a gun to their head. era bias.

Dro

01-14-2016, 07:36 PM

Magic of course gives no reasoning for his opinion and the sheep just follow along. Predictable as the sunrise.

Just another old ex-player with an emotional attachment to other old ex-players.
I mean, what reason does he need to give? Do you think Curry is better than Thomas? Like, seriously?

jayfan

01-14-2016, 07:44 PM

Bruh, you're arguing against magic, the GOAT PG. Take the L, understand that your over-analytical opinion is ridiculous and sit yo ass in the corner where the dumb kids go

:bowdown:

FKAri

01-14-2016, 08:29 PM

Magic's feeling the heat. He wants to keep Isiah between him and Curry as a buffer. He has no ground to give after that.

Smoke117

01-14-2016, 08:34 PM

You forgot Ewing, too.

Now Ewing...that's an underrated player. A lot of it has to do with the fact that he was playing during the time of Hakeem and Robinson...but he was a legit franchise player for a good 10 years. The competition was so good that he'd have been far and away the best center the last 10 years if he played now. His defense is especially underappreciated because of Hakeem and Robinson...but he was an elite defensive center himself. It's too bad the Knicks could never put any real talent around him. John Starks...? :facepalm

tontoz

01-14-2016, 08:37 PM

I mean, what reason does he need to give? Do you think Curry is better than Thomas? Like, seriously?

Yes. Isiah never even sniffed the level Curry is playing right now.

Isiah was out of the NBA at 32 and his last few years sucked anyway. When the Pistons won their titles their defense was elite because of Rodman (DPOY), Dumars (1st team all nba defense) and Laimbeer/Mahorn/Salley.

Offensively they ranked 7th and 11th in their title years. And of course Isiah was much better offensively than defensively. Problem was he wasn't that good offensively.

He was good at beating guys off the dribble, getting to the basket and finishing. His jumper was lame, as was his foul shooting. His playmaking was good, not great. He was their best offensive player in only 1 of their 3 finals appearances. During their 1st title run he led them in scoring in the first round. That's all. It was Dumars going off in the ECF and the Finals, not Isiah.

Dumars was the guy making the all-nba team, not Isiah. During their two title years Isiah was 17th and 13th in the MVP voting. :sleeping

tontoz

01-14-2016, 08:40 PM

You forgot Ewing, too.

+1. Bad timing. Epic era for bigs and he had to go against prime Jordan. Seemed like a good guy.

jayfan

01-14-2016, 08:50 PM

Just another old ex-player with an emotional attachment to other old ex-players.

Yet, isn't it curious then, that in the same breath, he declares Curry to be the greatest shooter ever.

Where does that leave you? With another L, it looks like.

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Hey Yo

01-14-2016, 08:59 PM

Magic's feeling the heat. He wants to keep Isiah between him and Curry as a buffer. He has no ground to give after that.
Just like his anus did compliments of Isiah

dhsilv

01-14-2016, 09:11 PM

Isiah and Iverson are by far the two most underrated players the last 30 years

Isiah is on most people's top 25 lists and Iverson isn't universally known as a hack. Both are comically over valued when it comes to on court play. Thomas's value might be top 25 if you count his leadership but that's really hard to explain. Iverson is one of my favorite players ever, but he's grossly over valued.

sportjames23

01-14-2016, 09:43 PM

Now Ewing...that's an underrated player. A lot of it has to do with the fact that he was playing during the time of Hakeem and Robinson...but he was a legit franchise player for a good 10 years. The competition was so good that he'd have been far and away the best center the last 10 years if he played now. His defense is especially underappreciated because of Hakeem and Robinson...but he was an elite defensive center himself. It's too bad the Knicks could never put any real talent around him. John Starks...? :facepalm

If Hakeem doesn't block Starks' three in 1994 (and Starks made it), Ewing would be regarded now as great as Dream and Robinson. Sad thing is, before Dream and the Admiral won their titles and before knee problems slowed him down, Ewing actually WAS considered to be as great as them.

Hey Yo

01-14-2016, 09:56 PM

wrong thread

Hey Yo

01-14-2016, 09:57 PM

wrong thread

tontoz

01-14-2016, 10:08 PM

Yet, isn't it curious then, that in the same breath, he declares Curry to be the greatest shooter ever.

Where does that leave you? With another L, it looks like.

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Ex HOF players are never wrong about anything i guess. Frazier says Russell was greater than Jordan. Doesnt matter that half of Russells team is in the HOF. Doesnt matter that there were only 7 other teams in the league at that time. Doesn't matter that talent was obviously lacking in that era.

If Frazier said it then it must be true.

tontoz

01-14-2016, 10:14 PM

If Hakeem doesn't block Starks' three in 1994 (and Starks made it), Ewing would be regarded now as great as Dream and Robinson. Sad thing is, before Dream and the Admiral won their titles and before knee problems slowed him down, Ewing actually WAS considered to be as great as them.

Both guys were beasts but i think both used to settle for jumpers too often. Might be because there was so much contact allowed then. When you took it to the basket a lot you could definitely get a beating.

Dream did have the best playoff series i have ever seen from anyone when he destroyed DRob after DRob won the MVP.

dhsilv

01-14-2016, 10:20 PM

Now Ewing...that's an underrated player. A lot of it has to do with the fact that he was playing during the time of Hakeem and Robinson...but he was a legit franchise player for a good 10 years. The competition was so good that he'd have been far and away the best center the last 10 years if he played now. His defense is especially underappreciated because of Hakeem and Robinson...but he was an elite defensive center himself. It's too bad the Knicks could never put any real talent around him. John Starks...? :facepalm

I still think at the end of the day Charles Oakley was their captain. Also when bill simmons has a whole theory on when superstars get hurt and their team goes on to do better without them...that's not a good thing for you.

He had a nice jumper for a big man in that era though. His defense was solid but I think you're implying it was better than it was. Oakely imo was always the heart of their defense as well when he was in his prime.

dhsilv

01-14-2016, 10:25 PM

I mean, what reason does he need to give? Do you think Curry is better than Thomas? Like, seriously?

I keep asking this in another thread so I'll ask it here.

Isiah by any stats measure we have (we have crappy stats btw for his career) would not rank as a top 50 player all time. But I think we all agree he's way better than his stats.

How do we explain or evaluate leadership and being a captain when the on court production (is very good btw) doesn't justify where we think someone ranks?

I can't get anyone to chime in on this and it's rather frustrating given Thomas is such a perfect person to ask it about. I was a bit young to watch the bad boys, (I was like 5 when they won their second title or around there). I've seen plenty of games and more highlights than I care to comment on, and to be blunt thomas was NOT a top tier basketball player. He was never close to Curry on the court. But you can't argue with teammates lifting a guy up, hugging him, the clearly respect from peers etc. He was CLEARLY more than the sum of his game (which is crap by top 25 standards). So again how do you evaluate that stuff?

kuniva_dAMiGhTy

01-14-2016, 10:29 PM

Just like his anus did compliments of Isiah

Is there a bigger shithead than this poster?

Brings nothing to table save for mindless, fanboy babble. The contrarian shtick has run its course, that type of troll was played out years ago. :oldlol:

Dr. Cheesesteak

01-14-2016, 10:49 PM

It's sad ESPN has a monopoly on the sports scene (sorry Fox, you'll just never get there). They truly are ****ing idiots a lot of times regarding the NBA. I've always said it's their worst department of the 4 major US sports. They have some good contributors/analysts, but an assload of terrible ones, too.

While I disagree w/ Magic about Isiah > Stockton, I sure as hell won't disagree about Isiah > Curry.

houston

01-15-2016, 12:41 AM

magic is right

BIG FURB

01-15-2016, 02:11 AM

Yes. Isiah never even sniffed the level Curry is playing right now.

Isiah was out of the NBA at 32 and his last few years sucked anyway. When the Pistons won their titles their defense was elite because of Rodman (DPOY), Dumars (1st team all nba defense) and Laimbeer/Mahorn/Salley.

Offensively they ranked 7th and 11th in their title years. And of course Isiah was much better offensively than defensively. Problem was he wasn't that good offensively.

He was good at beating guys off the dribble, getting to the basket and finishing. His jumper was lame, as was his foul shooting. His playmaking was good, not great. He was their best offensive player in only 1 of their 3 finals appearances. During their 1st title run he led them in scoring in the first round. That's all. It was Dumars going off in the ECF and the Finals, not Isiah.

Dumars was the guy making the all-nba team, not Isiah. During their two title years Isiah was 17th and 13th in the MVP voting. :sleeping

seriously? like this was literally just posted one page prior to what you said (https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12573758_10207053789356762_6066909570419304228_n.j pg?oh=ab9ae57f056e12a41cab159645af58f9&oe=57430656)

TheBigVeto

01-15-2016, 02:24 AM

PsychoBe

01-15-2016, 03:18 AM

tontoz

01-15-2016, 07:48 AM

seriously? like this was literally just posted one page prior to what you said (https://scontent-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/12573758_10207053789356762_6066909570419304228_n.j pg?oh=ab9ae57f056e12a41cab159645af58f9&oe=57430656)

Funny how there is no mention of shooting percentages in that link. No mention of the games Curry missed due to injury. No mention of 3 point shooting. And of course no mention of his MVP and ring.

very convenient.