Who's having the better season thus far. 20th year Kobe or 19th year Duncan?

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe season - 17ppg, 4rpg, 3apg, 1spg, 35%fgs
Kobe last Month (12 games) - 20ppg, 4rpg, 4apg, 1spg, 41%fgs


Duncan season - 9ppg, 8rpg, 3apg, 1bpg, 52%fgs
Duncan last Month ( 12 games ) - 9ppg, 7rpg, 3apg, 1bpg, 52%fgs


http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/24129-2/Kobe+fives+Duncan.jpg

[kennethgriffin]

robert horry in 1997-98 off the bench averaged 8ppg, 8rpg, 2apg, 1bpg, 48%fgs


just sayin

http://static.sportskeeda.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/-horry2-637549.jpg

[warriorfan]

duncan has been a little bit better when you factor in defense but that isn't a dis on kobe, if kobe didn't suffer his achilles injury he would be doing a lot better than how he has been doing

if its a consolation prize kobe probably hasn't had sex with any guys this season though

[toxicxr6]

Even by your standards Kenneth This is shit thread
Duncan is miles ahead of Kobe This year.. Miles

In fact there I would put almost every player in the NBA ahead of Kobe this year

[Mr Feeny]

40 year old Duncan is having a better season than 37 year old Kobe, for sure.
Who isn't? :roll:

[Mr Feeny]

Even by your standards Kenneth This is shit thread
Duncan is miles ahead of Kobe This year.. Miles

In fact there I would put almost every player in the NBA ahead of Kobe this year

Exactly:roll: he's one of the worst nba players ever at this point:rockon:

[kennethgriffin]

Exactly:roll: he's one of the worst nba players ever at this point:rockon:

Kobe last Month (12 games) - 20ppg, 4rpg, 4apg, 1spg, 41%fgs


i think... at THIS point kobe is playing like a guy whos a top 20 or so player right now

quit being so harsh


bad form




and thats in only 28mpg

imagine if he could play 36-40minutes like his regular average

hed be averaging 30ppg for god sake

[Quickening]

Kobe is dog shit, but good for the Lakers tanking goals. Plays absolutely no defence, ruins team chemistry, scoring low on chit efficiency.

Doesnt have the basketball IQ / skills to age gracefully and stay an effective peice like Duncan. That's why Duncan > Kobe all time.

[kennethgriffin]

people really do put way too much thought into fg%


a guy can average 30ppg on 45% while another guy averages 5ppg on 50% and yall would pick the 5ppg player for your team

:oldlol:


and duncans defense at this point isnt all its cracked up to be. the man isnt even playing half the time and when he is its in a league in which everyone jacks up 3's all day and never attacks the rim regardless of whos down there

[kennethgriffin]

Kobe is dog shit, but good for the Lakers tanking goals. Plays absolutely no defence, ruins team chemistry, scoring low on chit efficiency.

Doesnt have the basketball IQ / skills to age gracefully and stay an effective peice like Duncan. That's why Duncan > Kobe all time.



believe me. if kobe was 7 feet with a perfect achilles. he'd be doing more than averaging robert horry stats


dude would put up 30ppg and 15rpg even at his current age

[Quickening]

believe me. if kobe was 7 feet with a perfect achilles. he'd be doing more than averaging robert horry stats


dude would put up 30ppg and 15rpg even at his current age
Yes but he isn't 7 foot... If I was 9 foot I would be the best nba player in history

[Kawhi]

Duncan: 35-6
Kobe: 9-32

Duncan miles ahead of Kobe once again, even though he is three years older. GOAT power forward, best player post Jordan.

[Kawhi]

and duncans defense at this point isnt all its cracked up to be.

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM

1. Tim Duncan
425. Kobe Bryant

[Quickening]

Duncan: 35-6
Kobe: 9-32

Duncan miles ahead of Kobe once again, even though he is three years older. GOAT power forward, best player post Jordan and pre Lebron.
:applause:

[raprap]

Duncan.


1/20

[BigTicket]

Duncan is miles ahead of Kobe this year, it's not even remotely close.

RPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM)

Duncan: +6.27 (9th in the league)
Kobe: -3.19 (368th in the league)

The difference is defense. Duncan is still one of the best in the league, while Kobe has been one of the absolute worst.

[Mr Feeny]

Kobe last Month (12 games) - 20ppg, 4rpg, 4apg, 1spg, 41%fgs


i think... at THIS point kobe is playing like a guy whos a top 20 or so player right now

quit being so harsh


bad form




and thats in only 28mpg

imagine if he could play 36-40minutes like his regular average

hed be averaging 30ppg for god sake

I want to call this guy out for trolling but you can't help but laugh at some of the funny crap he manages to come out with:oldlol:

[jstern]

Duncan. At least he plays the best way he can to contribute to his team. Doing what Pop think is the best ways he can contribute to his team. Compare that to Kobe still having to many games of 22+ FGA per game, shooting 20%, and the hell with letting new talent develop.

[kennethgriffin]

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM

1. Tim Duncan
425. Kobe Bryant


i dont believe in advanced stats.. they tell me bill russell is barely top 100 all time and chris paul is top 5 all time

[kennethgriffin]

Duncan is miles ahead of Kobe this year, it's not even remotely close.

RPM (http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM)

Duncan: +6.27 (9th in the league)
Kobe: -3.19 (368th in the league)

The difference is defense. Duncan is still one of the best in the league, while Kobe has been one of the absolute worst.


ok so its settled. russell westbrook is the best player in the nba and lebron isnt even close


and kyle lowry > kevin durant




again.. never look too far into analytics... people only see their agendas and fail to look at where others rank

[Kawhi]

i dont believe in advanced stats.. they tell me bill russell is barely top 100 all time and chris paul is top 5 all time
The fact that there's 423 people between them doesn't tell you anything? :oldlol: You're more delusional than I could imagine.

[BigTicket]

I have a stat for you. In the last 50 years, how many players have taken 15+ shots per game, and hit less than 38% of them ?

The answer is one, his name is Kobe, and he did it twice.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&birth_state=&college_id=&draft_year=&is_active=&debut_yr_nba_start=&debut_yr_nba_end=&debut_yr_aba_start=&debut_yr_aba_end=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&award=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=fga_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=15&c2stat=fg_pct&c2comp=lt&c2val=0.38&c3stat=g&c3comp=gt&c3val=20&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=season

[kennethgriffin]

The fact that there's 423 people between them doesn't tell you anything? :oldlol: You're more delusional than I could imagine.


i dont believe in anything that doesnt make sense


its like saying the bible is real because most of the stories cant be proven false. but a few important ones are obvious lies


like the great flood... even though theres trees on earth over 6000 years old... and australia wasnt discovered until the 1600's. so the kangaroos would have been extinct.


or adam and eve. even though we have many different types of people. we'd all look the same if we came from 2 people not even that long ago. and the whole carbon dating thing.


and if adam and eve are proven false. then jesus died for original sin of 2 people that never existed. which proves hes fake too



so if i find extreme fallacies in your criteria. then how can i take any of it seriously

[kennethgriffin]

I have a stat for you. In the last 50 years, how many players have taken 15+ shots per game, and hit less than 38% of them ?

The answer is one, his name is Kobe, and he did it twice.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&birth_state=&college_id=&draft_year=&is_active=&debut_yr_nba_start=&debut_yr_nba_end=&debut_yr_aba_start=&debut_yr_aba_end=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&award=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=fga_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=15&c2stat=fg_pct&c2comp=lt&c2val=0.38&c3stat=g&c3comp=gt&c3val=20&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=season



and yet for their careers. kobe and jordan both have a 1.3 points per shot average


kobe made up for his elevated difficulty/high risk shooting by getting to the line more often and hitting a ton of threes at a good enough percentage that translates into 50%+ on 2 pointers ( 34% threes )

[dhsilv]

i dont believe in advanced stats.. they tell me bill russell is barely top 100 all time and chris paul is top 5 all time

and your stupidity just never stops..

[kennethgriffin]

and your stupidity just never stops..




my bad... paul is top 6 and russell is top 70

as apposed to my paul top 5 and russell barely top 100 guess


PER

1. Michael Jordan* 28.60
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 27.43
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.13
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Chris Paul 25.16
7. Tim Duncan 24.58
8. Kevin Durant 24.35
9. Charles Barkley* 24.18
10. Dirk Nowitzki 23.98
11. Tracy McGrady 23.40
12. Dolph Schayes* 23.29
13. Dwight Howard 23.13
14. Jerry West* 23.06
15. David Robinson* 23.02
16. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar* 23.01
17. Magic Johnson* 22.95
18. Russell Westbrook 22.75
19. Wilt Chamberlain* 22.75
20. Dwyane Wade 22.70
21. Bob Pettit* 22.59
22. Kobe Bryant 22.40
23. Stephen Curry 22.24
24. Amar'e Stoudemire 22.08
25. Julius Erving* 22.05
26. Blake Griffin 22.01
27. Elgin Baylor* 21.83
28. Rick Barry* 21.81
29. Moses Malone* 21.57
30. Larry Bird* 21.41
31. Baron Davis 21.36
32. Allen Iverson 21.24
33. George Gervin* 21.16
34. Karl Malone* 21.12
35. Kevin Garnett 21.12
36. Oscar Robertson* 20.99
37. James Harden 20.98
38. Bob Lanier* 20.81
39. Pau Gasol 20.73
40. George Yardley* 20.72
41. Cliff Hagan* 20.62
42. Shawn Kemp 20.55
43. Gus Williams 20.37
44. Artis Gilmore* 20.36
45. Paul Arizin* 20.33
46. Dan Issel* 20.07
47. Carmelo Anthony 19.94
48. Alex English* 19.92
49. Walter Davis 19.91
50. John Stockton* 19.84
51. Walt Frazier* 19.84
52. Steve Nash 19.84
53. Isiah Thomas* 19.80
54. Manu Ginobili 19.79
55. Anfernee Hardaway 19.76
56. George McGinnis 19.73
57. Clyde Lovellette* 19.72
58. Clyde Drexler* 19.71
59. Patrick Ewing* 19.63
60. Reggie Miller* 19.55
61. Bill Russell* 19.40





analytics!

[Quickening]

1. Michael Jordan* 28.60
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 27.43
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.13
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Chris Paul 25.16
7. Tim Duncan 24.58
8. Kevin Durant 24.35
9. Charles Barkley* 24.18
10. Dirk Nowitzki 23.98

Not actualy a bad top ten, definately better than the top ten list of players who won the most rings :lol :roll:

Kobe stans :lol

[kennethgriffin]

1. Michael Jordan* 28.60
2. George Mikan* 28.51
3. LeBron James 27.43
4. Shaquille O'Neal 26.13
5. Hakeem Olajuwon* 25.69
6. Chris Paul 25.16
7. Tim Duncan 24.58
8. Kevin Durant 24.35
9. Charles Barkley* 24.18
10. Dirk Nowitzki 23.98

Not actualy a bad top ten, definately better than the top ten list of players who won the most rings :lol :roll:

Kobe stans :lol


nobody ranks the top 10 as simply rings.


theres context involved... something analytic geeks dont understand. they think a computer knows more about the game than any human

:lol


and if you believe in a top 10 that doesnt include bird/magic/russell but instead includes chris paul/kevin durant... then youre not much of a fan

[dhsilv]

my bad... paul is top 6 and russell is top 70

as apposed to my paul top 5 and russell barely top 100 guess


PER




analytics!

You're comparing PER to real plus minus? Seriously? I guess Harold Minor is better than Jordan by your logic.

[kennethgriffin]

You're comparing PER to real plus minus? Seriously? I guess Harold Minor is better than Jordan by your logic.


honestly... every year you stat geeks drop one analytic and pick up another based on your agendas and getting exposed for your for your last criteria


its an ongoing thing. i dont have time for anymore new computer calculations you people think decides whether or not a player is better than the next guy


i watch the games. i see the results. thats good enough

[K Xerxes]

honestly... every year you stat geeks drop one analytic and pick up another based on your agendas and getting exposed for your for your last criteria


its an ongoing thing. i dont have time for anymore new computer calculations you people think decides whether or not a player is better than the next guy


i watch the games. i see the results. thats good enough

Results:

Duncan - 35-6
Kobe - 9-32

That's settled then

[kennethgriffin]

Results:

Duncan - 35-6
Kobe - 9-32

That's settled then



Duncan is basically robert horry at this point without the clutch threes


His wins dont even count

[BuffaloBill]

The one that plays defense and took a paycut so his team could win games

[Gileraracer]

Kobe is dog shit, but good for the Lakers tanking goals. Plays absolutely no defence, ruins team chemistry, scoring low on chit efficiency.

Doesnt have the basketball IQ / skills to age gracefully and stay an effective peice like Duncan. That's why Duncan > Kobe all time.


and both >>> Lebron all time

[BigTicket]

Kobe is helping the Lakers for two reasons this season.

1. He sucks so bad that they might get to keep their top-3 pick.

2. He sells a lot of tickets.

It's good for the team, but certainly not because he is playing well.

[red1]

one of them is a liability on the court the other one is an asset. you tell me

[AintNoSunshine]

Duncan: 35-6
Kobe: 9-32

Duncan miles ahead of Kobe once again, even though he is three years older. GOAT power forward, best player post Jordan.
This. LOL

I know OP is devoid of basic logic, but still this thread is dumb as hell.

[NBASTATMAN]

Kobe season - 17ppg, 4rpg, 3apg, 1spg, 35%fgs
Kobe last Month (12 games) - 20ppg, 4rpg, 4apg, 1spg, 41%fgs


Duncan season - 9ppg, 8rpg, 3apg, 1bpg, 52%fgs
Duncan last Month ( 12 games ) - 9ppg, 7rpg, 3apg, 1bpg, 52%fgs


http://lakers.topbuzz.com/gallery/d/24129-2/Kobe+fives+Duncan.jpg


Switch duncan and Kobe and the Lakers win 15 more game this season than with kobe... The Spurs would still be good but not as good as they are currently... Not even close... Duncan is the smartest big guy ive seen.. He plays defense at a high level even at this age...

[NBASTATMAN]

Kobe is helping the Lakers for two reasons this season.

1. He sucks so bad that they might get to keep their top-3 pick.

2. He sells a lot of tickets.

It's good for the team, but certainly not because he is playing well.
:cheers:

[NBASTATMAN]

I have a stat for you. In the last 50 years, how many players have taken 15+ shots per game, and hit less than 38% of them ?

The answer is one, his name is Kobe, and he did it twice.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=totals&per_minute_base=36&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&birth_state=&college_id=&draft_year=&is_active=&debut_yr_nba_start=&debut_yr_nba_end=&debut_yr_aba_start=&debut_yr_aba_end=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&award=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=fga_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=15&c2stat=fg_pct&c2comp=lt&c2val=0.38&c3stat=g&c3comp=gt&c3val=20&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=season



:kobe: :lebronamazed: :yaohappy:

[Smoke117]

Kobe last Month (12 games) - 20ppg, 4rpg, 4apg, 1spg, 41%fgs


i think... at THIS point kobe is playing like a guy whos a top 20 or so player right now

quit being so harsh


bad form




and thats in only 28mpg

imagine if he could play 36-40minutes like his regular average

hed be averaging 30ppg for god sake

It still amazes me that some people can be so delusional.

[ShawkFactory]

All I know is that Duncan was absolutely huge in the 4th last night.

I'd easily take him on my team over Kobe.

Like...not even remotely close.

[Knoe Itawl]

I guess kenneth sure showed everyone. No wait, it was the opposite of that.

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe...easily.

Spurs would win 55 games WITHOUT Duncan.

Kobe is far too alpha to be a third or fourth option.

[Kawhi]

Spurs would win 55 games WITHOUT Duncan.

And they are on pace to win 70 with Duncan. So, basically, you admitted Duncan, in his 19th season, is still good enough to add 15 wins to a team. Meanwhile, Kobe's team would be lucky to win 15 games in a full regular season.

[La Frescobaldi]

Timi Dunkin by far.

He only cares about winning and his team is superb.

[Dr Hawk]

And they are on pace to win 70 with Duncan. So, basically, you admitted Duncan, in his 19th season, is still good enough to add 15 wins to a team. Meanwhile, Kobe's team would be lucky to win 15 games in a full regular season.

Ice cold assassin

[Gus Hemmingway]

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM

1. Tim Duncan
425. Kobe Bryant
I'm :roll:

[BuffaloBill]

If Kobe was on the Spurs instead of Duncan they wouldn't have been able to sign Leonard, LMA, and Parker.


Let that sink in

[HOoopCityJones]

If Kobe was on the Spurs instead of Duncan they wouldn't have been able to sign Leonard, LMA, and Parker.


Let that sink in

If Duncan was on The Lakers , he doesn't take that paycut.

Also when you all stop acting like Duncan is the secret to the Spurs success when they're still blowing Teams out with him sitting on the bench, the world will be a much better off place.

Let that sink in.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Duncan. One is playing winning basketball, one is arguably the worst player in the league.

[Showtime2001]

Duncan is making no difference this season there's a reason why they are blowing out teams with him putting up mediocre numbers.

Replacing Kobe with Duncan on the Lakers makes no difference either the Lakers are a garbage team with or without Kobe.

Only Duncan / Bron stans want you to believe otherwise.

[warriorfan]

Hey assholes

Put Duncan on this Laker team and see how good he does this season

[Kblaze8855]

as he's getting healthy it's obvious Kobe isn't the worst player in the NBA as people were saying. But it's also obvious Tim Duncan is having a better season and is currently more useful. Not shooting doesn't mean you're playing worse basketball.

[AirBonner]

Duncan easily.

[BuffaloBill]

Duncan is making no difference this season there's a reason why they are blowing out teams with him putting up mediocre numbers.

Replacing Kobe with Duncan on the Lakers makes no difference either the Lakers are a garbage team with or without Kobe.

Only Duncan / Bron stans want you to believe otherwise.


Not true at all. Aside from Duncan leading the league in defensive real plus minus, Duncan makes his teammates play better. People actually like playing with him. Manu made a quote, "as long as Duncan is on the team. The Spurs will be fighting for a championship."

And he can do that without taking 20 shots a game.

[Dragonyeuw]

Duncan is producing just fine relative to the minutes he plays, and role on the team. Kobe is playing more minutes and taking up a larger share of the offense than his ability warrants at this point, even with improved play over the past month. Duncan's play is conducive to team-oriented winning basketball. Kobe's is a shot-jacking last hurrah on a lottery-bound team and stifling the growth of the younger players.

[FKAri]

Hey assholes

Put Duncan on this Laker team and see how good he does this season

why you made doe?

[DMAVS41]

as he's getting healthy it's obvious Kobe isn't the worst player in the NBA as people were saying. But it's also obvious Tim Duncan is having a better season and is currently more useful. Not shooting doesn't mean you're playing worse basketball.

Not many really said that though... They said he's arguably the least valuable player given his salary and play... For a variety of reasons like health, usage when he does play, and selfishness.

Nobody really thought he was the least skilled player...

[SouBeachTalents]

Not many really said that though... They said he's arguably the least valuable player given his salary and play... For a variety of reasons like health, usage when he does play, and selfishness.

Nobody really thought he was the least skilled player...

From opening night to their loss to the 76ers, when he was barely shooting 30% on the season, he really might have been the worst player in the league.

[Segatti]

Duncan is playing like a good role player, which means he has a place on the Spurs. I doubt Kobe could start in any contender because he offers nothing, I don't think he is even capable of playing 3 and d right now.

[Legends66NBA7]

From opening night to their loss to the 76ers, when he was barely shooting 30% on the season, he really might have been the worst player in the league.

If we go by salary, Joe Johnson has definitely been worse.

Kobe actually gives a damn, I think. Joe has mailed it in.

[T_L_P]

And they are on pace to win 70 with Duncan. So, basically, you admitted Duncan, in his 19th season, is still good enough to add 15 wins to a team. Meanwhile, Kobe's team would be lucky to win 15 games in a full regular season.
http://s689.photobucket.com/user/Dunkydouble/media/white_dance_club.gif.html

[Rocketswin2013]

So Kobe is bad on offense. Duncan is average to decent on offense. Kobe is one of the worst defenders in the league, whereas Duncan is one of the very best(top 5).

very close.

[DonDadda59]

Easily Timmy. How is this even a question? :biggums:

Let Tim chuck 17+ shots per game to the tune of 35% (which he could do in his sleep) and the Spurs are a garbage team like the Lakers.

LA is better without Beans, who is by all measures the worst player in the NBA.

[kennethgriffin]

the biggest joke about duncan is the fact that for the last 8 years or so hes been an offensive role player while focussing primarily on defense



if kobe did that since 2006 and only cared to score off clean ups... he'd have won 4 defensive player of the year awards


kobe when totally focussed is a defensive stopper. atleast he was up until 2012





duncan has been coasting on offense for all this time and he still has ZERO defensive player of the year awards


:roll: :roll: :roll: :lol :lol :lol :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

the biggest joke about duncan is the fact that for the last 8 years or so hes been an offensive role player while focussing primarily on defense



if kobe did that since 2006 and only cared to score off clean ups... he'd have won 4 defensive player of the year awards


kobe when totally focussed is a defensive stopper. atleast he was up until 2012





duncan has been coasting on offense for all this time and he still has ZERO defensive player of the year awards


:roll: :roll: :roll: :lol :lol :lol :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Only 4? I think he wins it at least 8 years in a row

[La Frescobaldi]

the biggest joke about duncan is the fact that for the last 8 years or so hes been an offensive role player while focussing primarily on defense



if kobe did that since 2006 and only cared to score off clean ups... he'd have won 4 defensive player of the year awards


kobe when totally focussed is a defensive stopper. atleast he was up until 2012





duncan has been coasting on offense for all this time and he still has ZERO defensive player of the year awards


:roll: :roll: :roll: :lol :lol :lol :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


This is exactly why Kobe dropped off bad in my eyes. He didn't do whatever it took to win, which almost always means stepping back and playing the right way. He did what mattered for the glory of Kobe. Not to the point of being a carmelo anthony but bad enough

[bdreason]

Duncan is anchoring an all-time great NBA team. Kobe is leading the worst Lakers team in the history of the franchise.

[kennethgriffin]

This is exactly why Kobe dropped off bad in my eyes. He didn't do whatever it took to win, which almost always means stepping back and playing the right way. He did what mattered for the glory of Kobe. Not to the point of being a carmelo anthony but bad enough



kobe had to be the main playmaker/point guard/ball handler/assist leader for all 5 of his titles


jordan had pippen to do that for him


this is why kobe couldnt expend full effort on defense every trip up the court. but he did enough to claim the most defensive 1st teams of all time


which isnt anything to scoff at


but just imagine if kobe didnt have to carry the offense. if kobe had a full roster of great players to carry the playmaking and scoring load for him every night and kobe could shut down guys with 100% defensive energy


guaranteed kobe would have won a few DPOTY awards


thats my point. duncans been free to just defend for the longest time as far back as i can remember and he never got the job done

[Lebron23]

Tim Duncan

Just a better leader than Kobe. Current Kobe is a cancer to team basketball. He should have retired at the start of the season. He just ruined his career ppg, and FG%.

[kennethgriffin]

Tim Duncan

Just a better leader than Kobe. Current Kobe is a cancer to team basketball. He should have retired at the start of the season. He just ruined his career ppg, and FG%.


only one of kobe and duncan are still their teams leaders

right now kawhi is the spurs #1 guy



by far actually.


duncan is barely a top 5 player for the spurs at the moment

[kennethgriffin]

if kobe had a team full of allstars he wouldnt be forced to try and average 20ppg

if kobe was placed on sanantonio and had a chance at a 6th ring. and pop said all he had to do was score 8ppg like duncan. just shooting when absolutely wide open. believe me. his fg% would be right up there near 50%


sorry ... but its 2 totally different situations.

[Hey Yo]

if kobe had a team full of allstars he wouldnt be forced to try and average 20ppg

if kobe was placed on sanantonio and had a chance at a 6th ring. and pop said all he had to do was score 8ppg like duncan. just shooting when absolutely wide open. believe me. his fg% would be right up there near 50%


sorry ... but its 2 totally different situations.
But Duncan still provides very good defense, while Kobe can barely jog up the court.

https://vine.co/v/iKL2nvWO0P2

[kennethgriffin]

But Duncan still provides very good defense while Kobe can barely jog up the floor.

https://vine.co/v/iKL2nvWO0P2


if kobe was 7 feet he could jog up and down the floor and look good doing it too

but only centers get away with sloppy play

theyre special

[DMAVS41]

if kobe was 7 feet he could jog up and down the floor and look good doing it too

but only centers get away with sloppy play

theyre special

The problem for you here is that you aren't granting that Duncan is still an elite defensive player.

Kobe, even if he was on a much better team, isn't elite at anything.

For starters, there is no world in which Kobe wouldn't be a below average defensive player on the perimeter. So that is problem number 1.

Problem number 2 is that in no world could Kobe currently be an efficient scorer. Yes, he'd be better, perhaps much better...on a better team, but he's not turning into an efficient scorer. He doesn't have the ability to be that anymore in any real role overall.

Lastly, you fail to grasp that Kobe's unwillingness to put the team/franchise first is why he's in part in this situation.

The real question is...if Kobe played on a team only as good as even the Mavericks...would he actually be willing to play the right way? I used to think so, but now I have my doubts with this absurd ego driven farewell tour.

Like...would Kobe go out there and not take 15 shots? Or would he rub Dirk/Rick the wrong way from the jump.

I really don't know the answer to the last part...I want to believe he'd actually play the right way, but it's not a lock.

The first two issues though? Those aren't going anywhere...he can't be a good defender anymore and certainly isn't scoring efficiently overall on high volume.

And that is why Duncan is significantly better...Duncan can be an elite defensive player and a type of offensive player that at least isn't hurting you...and certainly isn't playing stupid.

Duncan is not only a positive player, but his impact is still clearly very good to great. Kobe is clearly a negative player...and even worse...his impact is worse than his skill set/ability because he's unwilling to play smart.

Similar to their rankings all time now...the answer is of course Duncan...and there is no argument for Kobe over him.

[La Frescobaldi]

The problem for you here is that you aren't granting that Duncan is still an elite defensive player.

Kobe, even if he was on a much better team, isn't elite at anything.

For starters, there is no world in which Kobe wouldn't be a below average defensive player on the perimeter. So that is problem number 1.

Problem number 2 is that in no world could Kobe currently be an efficient scorer. Yes, he'd be better, perhaps much better...on a better team, but he's not turning into an efficient scorer. He doesn't have the ability to be that anymore in any real role overall.

Lastly, you fail to grasp that Kobe's unwillingness to put the team/franchise first is why he's in part in this situation.

The real question is...if Kobe played on a team only as good as even the Mavericks...would he actually be willing to play the right way? I used to think so, but now I have my doubts with this absurd ego driven farewell tour.

Like...would Kobe go out there and not take 15 shots? Or would he rub Dirk/Rick the wrong way from the jump.

I really don't know the answer to the last part...I want to believe he'd actually play the right way, but it's not a lock.

The first two issues though? Those aren't going anywhere...he can't be a good defender anymore and certainly isn't scoring efficiently overall on high volume.

And that is why Duncan is significantly better...Duncan can be an elite defensive player and a type of offensive player that at least isn't hurting you...and certainly isn't playing stupid.

Duncan is not only a positive player, but his impact is still clearly very good to great. Kobe is clearly a negative player...and even worse...his impact is worse than his skill set/ability because he's unwilling to play smart.

Similar to their rankings all time now...the answer is of course Duncan...and there is no argument for Kobe over him.

it has to tear at bryant's guts that he was widely figured by the media to be the chosen one when he got into the league but was soon overtaken by another chosen one... not after he retired / got ancient like jordan....... but right in the middle of his career.

and even while that was going on duncan was ignoring all the drama in LA and just winning ring after ring and showing a lot more character than the kobester ever did tbh

[ISHGoat]

It's clearly Duncan and it's not even debatable. Dirk is having an amazing season too. How are the other grandpas doing? Is Vince still alive? KG taking the Ls in minny?

[La Frescobaldi]

It's clearly Duncan and it's not even debatable. Dirk is having an amazing season too. How are the other grandpas doing? Is Vince still alive? KG taking the Ls in minny?


wiggins is a joke tbh

he looks "WOW!! GREAT!!" but he's about useless. maybe he'll grow up i wonder what KG really thinks about him

[Anaximandro1]

1) Tim Duncan is having a season for the ages

Duncan is leading the league in DRPM, DBPM and DRtg, and turns 40 in April. He still can dominate without scoring a point.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NNBsgITdQdQ/Vpq615tcVAI/AAAAAAAAFGY/CTEfnDV2fsQ/s1600/1.jpg



2) Duncan is still elite, Kobe is one of the worst players in the NBA

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-NK09XLBRItY/Vpq612gwkFI/AAAAAAAAFGU/X3o1WydtRfo/s1600/2.jpg

[HOoopCityJones]

Boiled down.

Tim hasn't had his Achilles ripped to shreds and a knee fracture and had to work back up to game play from both.

[bukowski81]

Boiled down.

Tim hasn't had his Achilles ripped to shreds and a knee fracture and had to work back up to game play from both.

Duncan has had very bad knees for a long time

[toxicxr6]

Boiled down.

Tim hasn't had his Achilles ripped to shreds and a knee fracture and had to work back up to game play from both.


And Duncan's knee has been bone on bone for the best part of a decade!
What's your point? Both have dealt with injuries..
You post is completely stupid

[Black and White]

Tim Duncan, defense matters, he doesn't take away shots from team mates, Duncan's impact goes beyond stats.

[dhsilv]

Boiled down.

Tim hasn't had his Achilles ripped to shreds and a knee fracture and had to work back up to game play from both.

tim has a leg where he can't bend his knee...the wear and tear of 19 seasons isn't missing from his body by ANY stretch.

[Akrazotile]

OP don't you usually like to compare players based on W-L success?

What is Kobe's record this year?

What is Duncan's?

[Angel Face]

No even debatable. The other guy is on a championship caliber team, the other guy is on a lottery bound team.

Duncan obviously.