espn TOP 10 POWER FORWARDS

[SuperCereal]

1. Tim Duncan
2. Karl Malone
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Charles Barkley
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Kevin McHale
7. Bob Pettit
8. Elvin Hayes
9. Pau Gasol
10. Dennis Rodman

[Segatti]

Dirk deserves it :applause:

[LoneyROY7]

Take this L, Chuck. :roll:

[Young X]

Garnett should be 2nd.

[WayOfWade]

Not bad, I need to study up on Hayes and Petitt to be sure its all good though

[LoneyROY7]

Garnett should be 2nd.

ROFL. No he shouldn't.

[pastis]

dirk 2nd goat PF (if you consider TD as a PF). i would take KG over malone and barkley as well

so:

1. TD
2. Dirk
3. KG
4. Karl Malone
5. Barkley

[Young X]

ROFL. No he shouldn't.Yes he should.

[LoneyROY7]

Yes he should.

No he shouldn't.

[zeerghit]

1. Tim Duncan
2. Karl Malone
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Charles Barkley
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Kevin McHale
7. Bob Pettit
8. Elvin Hayes
9. Pau Gasol
10. Dennis Rodman
i cant understand this kidna gap..

[StephHamann]

Garnett should be 2nd.

https://giant.gfycat.com/WelldocumentedSecondaryGalapagostortoise.gif

[WayOfWade]

dirk 2nd goat PF (if you consider TD as a PF). i would take KG over malone and barkley as well

so:

1. TD
2. Dirk
3. KG
4. Karl Malone
5. Barkley
Yeah, if you consider Duncan a PF, then he is he easy #1. I disagree about KG though, Malone had a higher peak and was in his prime for an insane amount of time, Malone averaged 25 and 10 throughout his career, KG isn't even averaging 20, not to mention 2 MVPs. Barkley I can get a little more, but I would still rather have Chuck leading my team instead of KG, I know that's not a lot of detail, but I have a lecture to attend in 5 minutes so I'll get to it later

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Garnett should be 2nd.
Agreed. Top 3 at worst.

[LoneyROY7]

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http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Kevin-Garnett-Reaction-at-2013-Dunk-Contest.gif

[SouBeachTalents]

Depending on what you value highest, it wouldn't be unreasonable for Malone, Barkley, KG, or Dirk to be ranked 2nd. Duncan is clearly #1, then you could find arguments to rank those 4 in any order from 2-5

[DMAVS41]

After Duncan....the rest of power forwards can be put into just about any order for Dirk, Barkley, Malone, KG, Pettit...

I'd take Dirk and KG over Malone, but Malone kind of gets under-rated these days...

I imagine KG fans are upset....especially the ones that claim it's somehow trolling to take Dirk over him...kind of blows that notion out of the water

I think it's fine to take KG of course, but can we now stop pretending like only Dirk fans are the ones that would take Dirk?

[Smoke117]

Garnett should be 2nd.

Duncan and Malone are firmly ensconced at 1 and 2, but I would have him at 3rd above Dirk and especially Barkley. I consider Duncan a Center and not a PF myself, though.

[Young X]

KG is one of the greatest defenders/rebounders in NBA history who also could give a team great passing (5+ APG for 6 seasons) and 22-24 a night. He has over 26k points for his career and that's the weakest part of his skillset.

He played with trash for his first 12 seasons. The only year where he had a good team around him he almost unanimously wins MVP over PRIME Duncan and nearly gets to the finals.

Then he finally gets to a great franchise and elevates them into an all-time great team that wins the title in 2008.

The only 2 years of his prime where he played with good/great players were 2004 and 2008. Both special seasons. Not a coincidence.

He's the 2nd best ever. Then Barkley/Nowitzki at 3 then Malone at 4.

[pastis]

Yeah, if you consider Duncan a PF, then he is he easy #1. I disagree about KG though, Malone had a higher peak and was in his prime for an insane amount of time, Malone averaged 25 and 10 throughout his career, KG isn't even averaging 20, not to mention 2 MVPs. Barkley I can get a little more, but I would still rather have Chuck leading my team instead of KG, I know that's not a lot of detail, but I have a lecture to attend in 5 minutes so I'll get to it later

basically you could swap 2-5 in any order.....the real "gap" is between 5 and 6.
TD, KM, KG, Barkley are all Super-stars and franchise players.

i take dirk as 2nd goat, but im ok if someone picks another one as 2nd :applause:

Pau gasol is finally recognized:applause:

[feyki]

TD
Elgin
Pettit
Dirk
Karl
Barkley
Garnett
Dolph
Elvin
Pau/Mchale

[DMAVS41]

KG is one of the greatest defenders/rebounders in NBA history who also could give a team great passing (5+ APG for 6 seasons) and 22-24 a night. He has over 26k points for his career and that's the weakest part of his skillset.

He played with trash for his first 12 seasons. The only year where he had a good team around him he almost unanimously wins MVP over PRIME Duncan and nearly gets to the finals.

Then he finally gets to a great franchise and elevates them into an all-time great team that wins the title in 2008.

The only 2 years of his prime where he played with good/great players were 2004 and 2008. Both special seasons.

Yep...he's on of the best players of all time.

He just didn't do anything to separate himself from Malone, Dirk, and Barkley. He might have been better than all of them...he wasn't in my opinion, but we can never know exactly how good a player is.

All I can say is that it's close between them all...hence why you get Dirk, Barkley, and Malone ranked over him in a list like this....because it's reasonable to do.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

TD
Elgin
Pettit
Dirk
Karl
Barkley
Garnett
Dolph
Elvin
Pau/Mchale
https://45.media.tumblr.com/335c74cd969143c09fa939db21d369bd/tumblr_nesxmkxM4v1ttma2yo1_250.gif

[SexSymbol]

Duncan
Dirk
Rodman
KG
Malone
McHale
Barkley

[pastis]

Duncan
Dirk
Rodman
KG
Malone
McHale
Barkley

interesting list. why McHale over Barkley?

[Young X]

Yep...he's on of the best players of all time.

He just didn't do anything to separate himself from Malone, Dirk, and Barkley. He might have been better than all of them...he wasn't in my opinion, but we can never know exactly how good a player is.

All I can say is that it's close between them all...hence why you get Dirk, Barkley, and Malone ranked over him in a list like this....because it's reasonable to do.Well it's hard to separate yourself when you play for an incompetent franchise for the entire prime of your career.

[SouBeachTalents]

interesting list. why McHale over Barkley?

Lol, you ask that, but not Rodman 3rd over the likes of KG, Malone, Barkley. If that list is in order that is

[Smoke117]

Well it's hard to separate yourself when you play for an incompetent franchise for the entire prime of your career.

Amen.

[StephHamann]

Well it's hard to separate yourself when you play for an incompetent franchise for the entire prime of your career.

Well, Dirk is still playing for an incompetent franchise.

[DMAVS41]

Well it's hard to separate yourself when you play for an incompetent franchise for the entire prime of your career.

I mean in terms of actual play...he just wasn't on a different level than those guys.

[ArbitraryWater]

YES! Dirk 3rd :banana: :banana: :banana:























































should be second though :coleman:

[ArbitraryWater]

Oh man dis feels good honestly..

its a simple list, but it gives validation and ammo to the people saying Dirk just isn't regarded that high or not on a level of those other PF's outside Duncan, since yes, those foolish idiots still exist.

[kennethgriffin]

yet again ESPN knows nothing about basketball history




BBR hall of fame monitor


6. Tim Duncan 1.0000

11. Kevin Garnett 1.0000

14. Karl Malone* 1.0000

18. Elvin Hayes* 1.0000

21. Dolph Schayes* 1.0000

22. Dirk Nowitzki 1.0000

24. Bob Pettit* 1.0000

27. Charles Barkley* 0.9998

54. Kevin McHale* 0.9864

62. Vern Mikkelsen* 0.9771

65. Jerry Lucas* 0.9608

72. Bailey Howell* 0.9362

83. Dave DeBusschere* 0.8358

84. Pau Gasol 0.8343




gasol is the 14th best power forward ever

[La Frescobaldi]

that's a really nice list

But is there some kind of hateful silence about

BOB FREAKING MCADOO?

he gets shafted every single time and he's way way up there

There's just not any way Elvin Hayes rates higher than Big Mac nor some of those other guys either

[kennethgriffin]

that's a really nice list

But is there some kind of hateful silence about

BOB FREAKING MCADOO?

he gets shafted every single time and he's way way up there

There's just not any way Elvin Hayes rates higher than Big Mac nor some of those other guys either


he was listed at center for 80% of his career


believe me. i would have had him on my list if he qualified

[La Frescobaldi]

he was listed at center for 80% of his career


believe me. i would have had him on my list if he qualified

not your list, the ESPN one.

And they may list him as a C but then who was Elmore Smith and who was Kareem Abdul Jabbar


gah

[kennethgriffin]

not your list, the ESPN one.

And they may list him as a C but then who was Elmore Smith and who was Kareem Abdul Jabbar


gah


mcadoo was a reserve for the lakers

i'm pretty sure he and kareem werent playing together most of the time

[Fudge]

pau should be in the top 5

[kennethgriffin]

pau should be in the top 5


6. Tim Duncan 1.0000

11. Kevin Garnett 1.0000

14. Karl Malone* 1.0000

18. Elvin Hayes* 1.0000

21. Dolph Schayes* 1.0000

22. Dirk Nowitzki 1.0000

24. Bob Pettit* 1.0000

27. Charles Barkley* 0.9998

54. Kevin McHale* 0.9864

which 5 of these guys gets bumped to make room for pau

[brownmamba00]

Peak KG is the best PF i've ever seen play esp his MVP year where he was droppin 24/14/5/2/2. Most versatile defender of all time who could lock down the paint anytime. Also the real leader and the most important piece of the late '00 Celtics that beat a lot of future HOFers (like Wade, Kobe, Bron, etc)

Dirk is the clutch-est and the best scorer out of all of the past PFs.

so

1.KG
2.Dirk/TD
3.Dirk/TD
4.Malone
5.Barkley/Rodman

[Sakkreth]

Garnett should be 2nd.

He has no case for top 4.

[T_L_P]

He has no case for top 4.
:biggums:

[Fudge]

6. Tim Duncan 1.0000

11. Kevin Garnett 1.0000

14. Karl Malone* 1.0000

18. Elvin Hayes* 1.0000

21. Dolph Schayes* 1.0000

22. Dirk Nowitzki 1.0000

24. Bob Pettit* 1.0000

27. Charles Barkley* 0.9998

54. Kevin McHale* 0.9864

which 5 of these guys gets bumped to make room for pau
Shut up.

[d.bball.guy]

Pretty good list actually. Just like the SG list. Duncan is definitely #1. I also like Malone at 2nd but you could make a case with Dirk/KG. Those 3 can be interchangable imo. I'd put KG above Chuck all day every day tho. Maybe because I didn't really see Chuck play in his career.

Best part tho, is Pau getting some recognition :bowdown: :applause:

[ShawkFactory]

yet again ESPN knows nothing about basketball history




BBR hall of fame monitor


6. Tim Duncan 1.0000

11. Kevin Garnett 1.0000

14. Karl Malone* 1.0000

18. Elvin Hayes* 1.0000

21. Dolph Schayes* 1.0000

22. Dirk Nowitzki 1.0000

24. Bob Pettit* 1.0000

27. Charles Barkley* 0.9998

54. Kevin McHale* 0.9864

62. Vern Mikkelsen* 0.9771

65. Jerry Lucas* 0.9608

72. Bailey Howell* 0.9362

83. Dave DeBusschere* 0.8358

84. Pau Gasol 0.8343




gasol is the 14th best power forward ever
DO you even know who Vern Mikkelsen is?

Your dumbass way of ranking players has Lebron James above Larry Bird.

Larry Bird as the 18th greatest player of all time.

[Dr Hawk]

I will correct the list for yall:

1. Duncan
2. Garnett
3. Dirk
4. Malone
5. Barkley
6. Gasol
7. McHale
8. Pettit
9. Hayes
10. Rodman

[Detroit]

in b4 Draymond Green @ #4.

[SexSymbol]

interesting list. why McHale over Barkley?
Barkley himself stated that McHale was the best power forward he played against.
And watching barkley and kevin play I've just never felt that Barkley was as impactful. McHale could defend very well, and Barkley was a piss-poor defender which is a must for me to qualify as GOAT level PF.

Someone questioned me having rodman so high. He has the career achievements and he's probably the least selfish, team-first mindset player I've ever seen. Along with being the GOAT defender and GOAT rebounder

[feyki]

Bob Pettit is really underrated in here .

[SexSymbol]

I will correct the list for yall:

1. Duncan
2. Garnett
3. Dirk
4. Malone
5. Barkley
6. Gasol
7. McHale
8. Pettit
9. Hayes
10. Rodman
this is laughable

[Round Mound]

Barkley should be 2nd in the list. That is, ofcourse, if you believe Duncan played more PF during his career.

[Dr Hawk]

this is laughable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTDeEJyCmNA

[Sakkreth]

Duncan
Malone
Nowitzki
Barkley
Garnett

Can't be any other way.

[SexSymbol]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTDeEJyCmNA
Dirk has had a much better career with an absolutely amazing playoff run in 11.

[Dr Hawk]

Dirk has had a much better career with an absolutely amazing playoff run in 11.

I don't know who had the better career and I don't care much. Who was the better player though? that's right, KG

[warriorfan]

Dirk's post season run in 11 completely and totally shits on anything KG has done in the post season

KG is a regular season stat stuffer but his playoff numbers dipped a ton in every playoff

The main problem with KG is he is not an Alpha Scorer

You need another Alpha Scorer on the team to compete (that is why he never did shit in Minnesota. he was asked to be the Alpha Scorer and failed over and over)

So KG is an amazing player but you have to factor in he can only win as the second fiddle and then being a defensive role player type guy

Dirk is an Alpha Dog scorer. You can get Tyson Chandler and win with Dirk but you need to get Paul Pierce and Ray Allen to win with KG.

KG is good but his empty stats Minnesota regular season stat stuffing gets mad overrated

KG has his all around strengths but also has big time weaknesses, mainly when it comes to efficiently scoring in the playoffs on decent volume

[SexSymbol]

I don't know who had the better career and I don't care much. Who was the better player though? that's right, KG
Dirk is the better player.
A much better offensive weapon. You can't build an offense around KG and expect it to be effective.

[stalkerforlife]

Gasol...lololol

Dumb ass rankings.

[WorldWarriors]

I like this list.

[Dr Hawk]

Dirk is the better player.
A much better offensive weapon. You can't build an offense around KG and expect it to be effective.

Then I guess, following that line of thinking, Dirk > Russell?

[Dresta]

All 2-5 have a decent argument for #2 tbh.

[dhsilv]

Not bad, I need to study up on Hayes and Petitt to be sure its all good though

http://i.imgur.com/tLcBiBE.jpg

Hopefully this works but best seasons by a PF based on win share.

While I'm not sure about where KG and Barkley would rank (both were peaks far over Malone and Dirk) but the biggest issue is Rodman. I'm no tsure I can come up with a clear guy to replace him with though.

Is shawn Marion enough of a power forward? Dolph Schayes (never saw him play even in classic games)....but the gut says he's not right.

[dhsilv]

yet again ESPN knows nothing about basketball history




BBR hall of fame monitor


6. Tim Duncan 1.0000

11. Kevin Garnett 1.0000

14. Karl Malone* 1.0000

18. Elvin Hayes* 1.0000

21. Dolph Schayes* 1.0000

22. Dirk Nowitzki 1.0000

24. Bob Pettit* 1.0000

27. Charles Barkley* 0.9998

54. Kevin McHale* 0.9864

62. Vern Mikkelsen* 0.9771

65. Jerry Lucas* 0.9608

72. Bailey Howell* 0.9362

83. Dave DeBusschere* 0.8358

84. Pau Gasol 0.8343




gasol is the 14th best power forward ever

Howell 950 games in 12 years. Meh stats

DeBusschere played half his career at the small forward. Or close to it. Mikkelsen played 699 games.

I don't think we're going crazy to move a few guys ahead of those...

add in there is a huge bias in the hall rankings for players who were playing in a smaller league.

[dhsilv]

Pretty good list actually. Just like the SG list. Duncan is definitely #1. I also like Malone at 2nd but you could make a case with Dirk/KG. Those 3 can be interchangable imo. I'd put KG above Chuck all day every day tho. Maybe because I didn't really see Chuck play in his career.

Best part tho, is Pau getting some recognition :bowdown: :applause:

if you haven't seen barkely play, you REALLY need to go watch some videos. Dude was a monster in his prime. Sadly like KG he was on crap teams at his peak. He was already on the decline by the time he made the finals with the suns. It's a darn shame.

[Odinn]

that's a really nice list

But is there some kind of hateful silence about

BOB FREAKING MCADOO?

he gets shafted every single time and he's way way up there

There's just not any way Elvin Hayes rates higher than Big Mac nor some of those other guys either
I believe they'll rank Bob McAdoo in the center list as a honorable mention. And I'd do that, too.


BTW, Chuck should be 2nd. He won a well-deserved MVP against prime/peak Jordan and Hakeem. Also he could have won it in 1989-90 season against prime/peak Jordan and Magic, he's the only player in the history that got most 1st place votes but hadn't won the award.
He was that good. Karl Malone was never that good. I don't see Dirk winning an MVP against Jordan and Hakeem. Also Jordan needed to drop 41 ppg to defeat Chuck in 1993.

We are talking about level of play and accolades, Chuck is better in both criterias. He had the better level of play and his MVP results are better in a more challenging era.

1. Tim Duncan
2. Charles Barkley
3. Karl Malone / Dirk Nowitzki
4. Dirk Nowitzki / Karl Malone
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Kevin McHale
7. Bob Pettit
8. Pau Gasol
9. Elvin Hayes
10. Dennis Rodman or Dave DeBusschere

[Round Mound]

I believe they'll rank Bob McAdoo in the center list as a honorable mention. And I'd do that, too.


BTW, Chuck should be 2nd. He won a well-deserved MVP against prime/peak Jordan and Hakeem. Also he could have won it in 1989-90 season against prime/peak Jordan and Magic, he's the only player in the history that got most 1st place votes but hadn't won the award.
He was that good. Karl Malone was never that good. I don't see Dirk winning an MVP against Jordan and Hakeem. Also Jordan needed to drop 41 ppg to defeat Chuck in 1993.

We are talking about level of play and accolades, Chuck is better in both criterias. He had the better level of play and his MVP results are better in a more challenging era.

1. Tim Duncan
2. Charles Barkley
3. Karl Malone / Dirk Nowitzki
4. Dirk Nowitzki / Karl Malone
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Kevin McHale
7. Bob Pettit
8. Pau Gasol
9. Elvin Hayes
10. Dennis Rodman or Dave DeBusschere

:applause:

[raiderfan19]

Why would anyone say that any of the 2-5 guys aren't close? You can argue any of them are better than any of the others but you can't say it wasn't close

[BuffaloBill]

I'd put Duncan, dirk, kg, and Barkley ahead of Malone. But that's just me

[BuffaloBill]

i cant understand this kidna gap..


You think Pau is closer to dirk than the list suggests?

[catch24]

I'd put Duncan, dirk, kg, and Barkley ahead of Malone. But that's just me

Same. For me it goes:

Duncan

Dirk
Barkley/KG
Malone

After Duncan its a crapshoot, but who I listed, in order, give their respective teams the BEST possible chance at winning (given the casts are built around their strengths).

[warriorfan]

Same. For me it goes:

Duncan

Dirk
Barkley/KG
Malone

After Duncan its a crapshoot, but who I listed, in order, give their respective teams the BEST possible chance at winning (given the casts are built around their strengths).

That is a pretty good list

[dhsilv]

Why would anyone say that any of the 2-5 guys aren't close? You can argue any of them are better than any of the others but you can't say it wasn't close

depends on how you judge the players.

KG and Barkley have a HUGE edge in primes and advanced stats in those. Success not so much...

It's all about how you weight these guys.

[La Frescobaldi]

Dirk's post season run in 11 completely and totally shits on anything KG has done in the post season

KG is a regular season stat stuffer but his playoff numbers dipped a ton in every playoff

The main problem with KG is he is not an Alpha Scorer

You need another Alpha Scorer on the team to compete (that is why he never did shit in Minnesota. he was asked to be the Alpha Scorer and failed over and over)

So KG is an amazing player but you have to factor in he can only win as the second fiddle and then being a defensive role player type guy

Dirk is an Alpha Dog scorer. You can get Tyson Chandler and win with Dirk but you need to get Paul Pierce and Ray Allen to win with KG.

KG is good but his empty stats Minnesota regular season stat stuffing gets mad overrated

KG has his all around strengths but also has big time weaknesses, mainly when it comes to efficiently scoring in the playoffs on decent volume

i lol'd as i read that. thanks for the laughs

[La Frescobaldi]

I believe they'll rank Bob McAdoo in the center list as a honorable mention. And I'd do that, too.


BTW, Chuck should be 2nd. He won a well-deserved MVP against prime/peak Jordan and Hakeem. Also he could have won it in 1989-90 season against prime/peak Jordan and Magic, he's the only player in the history that got most 1st place votes but hadn't won the award.
He was that good. Karl Malone was never that good. I don't see Dirk winning an MVP against Jordan and Hakeem. Also Jordan needed to drop 41 ppg to defeat Chuck in 1993.

We are talking about level of play and accolades, Chuck is better in both criterias. He had the better level of play and his MVP results are better in a more challenging era.

1. Tim Duncan
2. Charles Barkley
3. Karl Malone / Dirk Nowitzki
4. Dirk Nowitzki / Karl Malone
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Kevin McHale
7. Bob Pettit
8. Pau Gasol
9. Elvin Hayes
10. Dennis Rodman or Dave DeBusschere

dang it though it ain't fair lol
here is Timmy Duncan playing center himself ONCE AGAIN this season yet BIG Mac gets the Silent Treatment, when he played a ton at the 4 regardless of the stupid listings on basketball ref

[Harison]

1. Tim Duncan
2. Karl Malone
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Charles Barkley
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Kevin McHale
7. Bob Pettit
8. Elvin Hayes
9. Pau Gasol
10. Dennis Rodman
Terrible list. Garnett should be 2nd. Malone over Dirk works.

[Akrazotile]

Depending on what you value highest, it wouldn't be unreasonable for Malone, Barkley, KG, or Dirk to be ranked 2nd. Duncan is clearly #1, then you could find arguments to rank those 4 in any order from 2-5


Agreed with this. Only real way to choose IMO is by what a given team needs. Without that info theyre all extremely close.

[bdreason]

I would swap Dirk and KG.

[houston]

pau gasol and rodman:oldlol:

[Genaro]

Duncan is clearly the first (unless you rank him as a center). 2-5 is a blood bath. Everyone has an argument. My personal list 2-5 goes:
Barkley
Malone
KG
Dirk

[dhsilv]

dang it though it ain't fair lol
here is Timmy Duncan playing center himself ONCE AGAIN this season yet BIG Mac gets the Silent Treatment, when he played a ton at the 4 regardless of the stupid listings on basketball ref

basketball reference would clearly call duncan a center...

positional rankings are just stupid as great players almost always cross lines. Lets just take a few of our so called top 10.

Bird is a power forward by most standards, he played the 3 on his team.
Lebron is better at the 4 than 3 in today's game, he's historically got the size of a 4. He has a game that could do well even at the 2 despite his shooting and he has point guard level ball access and passing stats.
Magic guarded bigger players but ran the point. You could call him a 1-4 and you'd not really be seen as crazy.
MJ played in a system that didn't use point guards, Pippen overall was their point but MJ played plenty of time at the point as well. He was mostly a post player during their second run much more like a 3 than 2.
Duncan nuff said a center called a 4.
Dream - another guy you could argue 4 vs 5 and nobody could really say you're wrong.

[dhsilv]

Karl Malone remains the most difficult person in nba history to rank.

If we go by raw stats, he's the best player ever, and I mean he's the goat. His career length and level of play over it are just jaw dropping. Nobody, not even kareem imo tops him. His peak stats are up there with ANYONE and it lasted longer than ANYONE.

The problem is some of us watched him actually play. Dude was just awful in big moments constantly throughout his whole career. Despite that he very well may have had two of the best teams ever and ran into the post retirement insanely talented bulls twice. Oddly malone gets looked past for those runs while others get propped up for similar losses.

I've never really known what to do with him. He's by far the best player by stats in this group, but he was always just the guy who didn't get it done. I dont' think the stockton teammate stuff is fair, but it's not wrong either. He's just a really hard guy to rank.

Sorry reading this thread again brought that up. He's always been a guy I couldn't get a feel for. I know Duncan ANYWHERE wins a title and is the leader of that team. I KNOW KG with a competent franchise wins multiple titles. I have zero clue what Malone does on another franchise.

[TheImmortal]

Best list I've seen so far.. solid. No arguments from me. Although, I prefer Garnett's D over Barkley's O contribution. But they're interchangeable really.

[TheImmortal]

All 2-5 have a decent argument for #2 tbh.Very true.

[34-24 Footwork]

Wow @ Gasol/Rodman being top 10 PF's of all time. Strange rankings.

Not sure on what planet exists where Chris Webber isn't a top 10 PF.

[dhsilv]

Wow @ Gasol/Rodman being top 10 PF's of all time. Strange rankings.

Not sure on what planet exists where Chris Webber isn't a top 10 PF.

complains about two people, adds one alternative....interesting...

[DirkNowitzki41]

lmao at malone being #2. dirk #2 bitches

dirk > kg. forever and always

[La Frescobaldi]

basketball reference would clearly call duncan a center...

positional rankings are just stupid as great players almost always cross lines. Lets just take a few of our so called top 10.

Bird is a power forward by most standards, he played the 3 on his team.
Lebron is better at the 4 than 3 in today's game, he's historically got the size of a 4. He has a game that could do well even at the 2 despite his shooting and he has point guard level ball access and passing stats.
Magic guarded bigger players but ran the point. You could call him a 1-4 and you'd not really be seen as crazy.
MJ played in a system that didn't use point guards, Pippen overall was their point but MJ played plenty of time at the point as well. He was mostly a post player during their second run much more like a 3 than 2.
Duncan nuff said a center called a 4.
Dream - another guy you could argue 4 vs 5 and nobody could really say you're wrong.

yeah - same page man. that's what i'm talking about exactly

[feyki]

Bob Pettit is really underrated in here .


1957 NBA Finals ;

Pettit - 27 pts , 14 reb , 2.5 ast .. On 100 poss against "84 Defensive Rating"s Celtics

Series 4-3 Celtics

1958 NBA Finals ;

Pettit - 32 pts , 16 reb , 2.5 ast .. On 100 poss against "83.5 Defensive Rating"s Celtics

Series 4-2 Hawks

He averaged around 30-15-2.5 against goat defensive team and goat defensive player .

[zeerghit]

You think Pau is closer to dirk than the list suggests?
YES, i think dirk is too high aswell

[DMAVS41]

Karl Malone remains the most difficult person in nba history to rank.

If we go by raw stats, he's the best player ever, and I mean he's the goat. His career length and level of play over it are just jaw dropping. Nobody, not even kareem imo tops him. His peak stats are up there with ANYONE and it lasted longer than ANYONE.

The problem is some of us watched him actually play. Dude was just awful in big moments constantly throughout his whole career. Despite that he very well may have had two of the best teams ever and ran into the post retirement insanely talented bulls twice. Oddly malone gets looked past for those runs while others get propped up for similar losses.

I've never really known what to do with him. He's by far the best player by stats in this group, but he was always just the guy who didn't get it done. I dont' think the stockton teammate stuff is fair, but it's not wrong either. He's just a really hard guy to rank.

Sorry reading this thread again brought that up. He's always been a guy I couldn't get a feel for. I know Duncan ANYWHERE wins a title and is the leader of that team. I KNOW KG with a competent franchise wins multiple titles. I have zero clue what Malone does on another franchise.

His scoring efficiency in the playoffs...especially given his role...is not good enough to rank him with the best 10 or so players of all time.

He was a great great great player with amazing durability and longevity, but scoring at low 50's TS for much of his career in the playoffs is simply not good enough.

Again, especially with Stockton spoon feeding him great looks for the majority of his career.

He was a dominant regular season player, but that didn't translate as well to the playoffs as some of the other GOAT type players at PF...like Duncan and Dirk specifically. They saw their games, play, and impact get better or at least stay the same...Malone's got worse.

So it's really not that hard...unless playoff play isn't a big factor for someone.

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YES, i think dirk is too high aswell

I don't think that Dirk is that high either, but he is comfortably ahead of Pau Gasol. Sad thing is that we never got to witness Pau own dominate as the leader of his own franchise like Dirk did. To me, that why he remains comfortably ahead of Pau.

[Cone]

I don't think that Dirk is that high either, but he is comfortably ahead of Pau Gasol. Sad thing is that we never got to witness Pau own dominate as the leader of his own franchise like Dirk did. To me, that why he remains comfortably ahead of Pau.

lmao. pau gasol being that high is because of him never being a #1. he wouldve been exposed.

dirk is wayy higher than pau because he is a legend. no debate.

[Cone]

YES, i think dirk is too high aswell

^ retard

[Cone]

Duncan is clearly the first (unless you rank him as a center). 2-5 is a blood bath. Everyone has an argument. My personal list 2-5 goes:
Barkley
Malone
KG
Dirk

what a horrible list. btw your avy is disgusting as f.ck

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lmao. pau gasol being that high is because of him never being a #1. he wouldve been exposed.

dirk is wayy higher than pau because he is a legend. no debate.


I don't think I understood anything in your post except your last two sentences...but I agree.

[raiderfan19]

We saw prime dirk vs prime pau in a series with both as alpha dogs. Dirk put up 31.3/7.8/3 on 50/42/87 with 1.3 topg. Pau put up 20.3/6.8/3 on 43/0/77 with 2:8 topg and the mavs swept the grizz.

[houston]

if a pf didn't make all-nba first team in his era should not be on this list


jerry lucas and dolph schyaes have a better case over rodman and gasol. hell chris bosh has a case over them too.

[SouBeachTalents]

if a pf didn't make all-nba first team in his era should not be on this list


jerry lucas and dolph schyaes have a better case over rodman and gasol. hell chris bosh has a case over them too.

The irony :lol

[Milbuck]

1. Duncan
2. Dirk
3. KG
4. Malone
5. Barkley

[iBandwagon]

i cant understand this kidna gap..
Why? Dirk was good enough to win MVP and carry a team to a championship throughout the playoffs. Pau was good enough to win FMVP in a team ever, but not carry the team and never sniff MVP. Not to mention, Dirk/Barkly/KG are really packed in close, which makes the gap between 2 and 9 not that huge. It is ordinal data, and you are treating it like interval data.

[Gambitero]

I will correct the list for yall:

1. Duncan
2. Garnett
3. Dirk
4. Malone
5. Barkley
6. Gasol
7. McHale
8. Pettit
9. Hayes
10. Rodman
Good list :applause:

IMO the best 2 Europe players of all time, Dirk and Pau. I would put Dirk over Pau cause I agree on the mentioned point about solo carrying a team as #1. Nothing but respect for both.
But also people that watch FIBA Basket (Worlds and Olympics) know that Pau has been carrying hard his national team during more than a decade as nobody have done before IMO.

2006 FIBA Japan World Championship, Gold medal - MVP
2008 Beijing Olympic Games, Silver medal. Top scorer
2012 London Olympic Games, Silver medal.
2009 Eurobasket Gold medal - MVP also top scorer/blocks
2011 Eurobasket Gold medal
2015 Eurobasket Gold medal - MVP also top scorer/blocks
2003 Eurobasket Silver medal
2007 Eurobasket Silver medal
2001 Eurobasket Bronze medal
2004 Athenes Olympic Games Top Scorer (22,42 pts) and most blocks.

The list of international individual titles is way too long to add here, just mentioned some. So I agree on the fact that Tim is #1 ahead from other legends, and the 2-5 rank admits some kind of personal tints. Here