Why is it that players from Australia/New Zealand have a bad rep for "playing dirty"?

[no pun intended]

http://www.csnbayarea.com/warriors/poll-dellavedova-bogut-among-dirtiest-players-nba

"The Times asked 24 NBA coaches, assistants and players to rank the top five dirtiest players in the league. Responses were given anonymously and according to the newspaper, some of those polled cast more than one vote.

Dellavedova received 13 votes, by far the most, as the dirtiest player in the league. Oklahoma City's Steven Adams came in second with seven votes.

Warriors center, and Dellavedova's countrymen, Andrew Bogut ranked third with five votes."

That rugby influence.

[SpaceJam]

Growing up playing Aussie football or rugby would do it lmao

[TheMarkMadsen]

because if you are white and play a gritty style where you aren't afraid to mix it up you are automatically considered to be a dirty player

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Just saw this and was gonna post it.

I think it's a culture thing, we grow up here playing football, rugby and cricket. Part of the game of football is pushing/elbowing/bumping your player off the ball and intimidating them, it starts before the ball is even bounced and the game has even begun. During play if you can tackle/hip and shoulder someone hard enough to keep them down it's encouraged and practiced. We even practiced like that when I played in under 15s on a serious club that was trying to win grand finals. You didn't want to seriously injure anyone but if you could wind them or make them scared that was part of the game.

People think cricket is a "gentleman's game" but again part of the Australian culture in cricket is sledging (insulting) and making the other team uncomfortable/getting them angry so they slip up. Part of the game is bowling bouncers at batsman's heads to try and intimidate them and get them out or stop them trying to play shots. Look at the ashes (a big series) where we had the then Australian captain Michael Clarke caught on mic threatening that he was going to have his fast bowlers try to break another players arm. You have bowlers who catch the ball after their delivery and then throw the ball back at the batsman making like they are trying to run him out. A huge part of cricket is the mental game, having the mind set to get behind a ball coming at 90+ miles bouncing off an unpredictable pitch at unpredictable heights/lengths/lines and staying focused over LONG periods (sometimes a full day) without a lapse in concentration, if you can get in their head and make them over think/scared then it is a legit tactic.

Add in that a lot of these guys probably went in to the league with a bias against them coming from countries that aren't known for producing basketballers and coming from countries where they weren't raised as athlete prodigies like an American basketballer is if he is the best in his neighbourhood and I think they use that attitude to get a bit of an edge.

I'm not sure I would say they are the dirtiest players though, Delly had the high profile play offs run which was unfortunate but aside from his actions there I don't think what they do is up there with the guys who've untied other players shoe laces, thrown shoes away when someone loses it, pulled players shorts down at the free throw line, thrown violent elbows or seriously hard fouled etc

[Kblaze8855]

because if you are white and play a gritty style where you aren't afraid to mix it up you are automatically considered to be a dirty player

Kirk Hinrich isnt.

[Rocketswin2013]

Andrew Bogut is a bitch.

[BigMacAttack]

double.

[BigMacAttack]

Aussies and Kiwis come for a culture where you don't need to be completely covered in pads to play a collision sport. Being white non Americans also plays a part no doubt.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm still amazed that players consider Korver's injury "dirty" on Delly's part. The guy dove for a loose basketball while Korver stood there and looked at it. How on earth was that a dirty play?

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I'm still amazed that players consider Korver's injury "dirty" on Delly's part. The guy dove for a loose basketball while Korver stood there and looked at it. How on earth was that a dirty play?
numerous ex nba players stated it's an unspoken rule not to dive directly in to other players legs

[G-train]

I'm still amazed that players consider Korver's injury "dirty" on Delly's part. The guy dove for a loose basketball while Korver stood there and looked at it. How on earth was that a dirty play?

I would say it's deliberately negligent.
He dives for balls and turns his body into the player after he dives, so that he gains possession. Very effective and commonly used in the AFL.
However it does mean you will hit the opposing player down low at reasonable speed.
So he may not be deliberately injuring, but he is deliberately employing a maneuver that increases risk of landing on player with you body against their legs or head or whatever is close to the ball.
IMO he is deliberately setting out to have maximum contact with those tactics, with the knowledge it may injure, but he isn't deliberately injuring.

[STATUTORY]

it's a colony of ex convicts and felons

[Straight_Ballin]

numerous ex nba players stated it's an unspoken rule not to dive directly in to other players legs

Yet it's not an unspoken rule to dive at the crowd's legs to save a ball?

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Yet it's not an unspoken rule to dive at the crowd's legs to save a ball?

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:biggums:
If you think diving for a ball in to the crowd is the same as diving down against/in the path of a running athletes legs and knees are the same thing you have a screw loose....

[AngelEyes]

Yet it's not an unspoken rule to dive at the crowd's legs to save a ball?

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Gene Siskel in the front row.

[Straight_Ballin]

If you think diving for a ball in to the crowd is the same as diving down against/in the path of a running athletes legs and knees are the same thing you have a screw loose....

What's the difference if a person is sitting down stationary or running? Both can result in a person getting injured. Do you know something that we don't? Does a magical force field all of a sudden spring up around the seated fan? :wtf:

Stop trying to justify that it's OK to dive at a seated fans legs for a loose ball and not OK to dive at a players legs for a loose ball.

[dunksby]

Softies tend to call tough players dirty.

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What's the difference if a person is sitting down stationary or running? Both can result in a person getting injured. Do you know something that we don't? Does a magical force field all of a sudden spring up around the seated fan? :wtf:

Stop trying to justify that it's OK to dive at a seated fans legs for a loose ball and not OK to dive at a players legs for a loose ball.

:facepalm
mental retardation confirmed

[Railgun]

I think you guys are ignoring the important part, which is the miniscule sample size, 24 people. What a joke, this isn't news

[SuperPippen]

because if you are white and play a gritty style where you aren't afraid to mix it up you are automatically considered to be a dirty player


Not true.

lmao at this persecution complex so many white guys on the internet have been having lately.

[DMV2]

because if you are white and play a gritty style where you aren't afraid to mix it up you are automatically considered to be a dirty player
If not called dirty then they're called softies and floppers (white Europe players).

[Black and White]

Not too sure about Delly, but Adams is just a tough dude, he gets under peoples skin.

[BigMacAttack]

because if you are white and play a gritty style where you aren't afraid to mix it up you are automatically considered to be a dirty player

I think it is more about them not being American than them being white. Americans are very patriotic (arrogant as f*ck) when it comes to their country and don't like it when another nation sticks it to them(it comes from being the dominant country in the world for a long time I think). This applies to individuals as well.

The Delly hate just seems so irrational to me as a slightly biased Aussie. Oh he dived for the ball? (in any sport down here that kind of effort is praised)That's is disgusting!!What a Scumbag!! lol and the so called "leg lock"...on what planet is that a leglock? That was gamesmanship that dumbass Horford fell for, not dangerous at all. Oh and Draymond knocks him down with an illegal screen and Delly knocks him down in return(which is impressive for a little cracker) and Delly gets the hate. He is scrappy and tough and I can see why people don't like him but the level of hate he gets is just insane when there are worse out there.

[plowking]

numerous ex nba players stated it's an unspoken rule not to dive directly in to other players legs

Yeah, that was a load of shit. Dude dived for the ball, like any other player, and an injury happened. There is no unwritten rule. They're full of shit.

[Spurs m8]

Thing is, its got nothing to do with country, some dudes - like Delly and Bogut - are just shit dudes playing for dirty franchises.

Look at Patty Mills....he's the opposite of these flogs.

[Spurs m8]

LOL at people defending delly, acting like he's just sliding.

We all know his intention, don't play stupid with me, you stupid fuks hahaha

[90sgoat]

It's racism, some blacks get intimidated by whites who dont play along the 'white men cant jump' agenda.

[oarabbus]

It's racism, some blacks get intimidated by whites who dont play along the 'white men cant jump' agenda.


Cry more about it, plenty of black players have been considered dirty

[Spurs m8]

It's racism, some blacks get intimidated by whites who dont play along the 'white men cant jump' agenda.

Good point tbh

Steve Adams would cop a bunch of this, tough white dude

[TheMarkMadsen]

Not true.

lmao at this persecution complex so many white guys on the internet have been having lately.


out of the incredibly dirty bad boy Piston's who was public enemy # 1 when it came to "dirty play"


:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Im Still Ballin]

Australians are tougher.

[BigMacAttack]

Thing is, its got nothing to do with country, some dudes - like Delly and Bogut - are just shit dudes playing for dirty franchises.

Look at Patty Mills....he's the opposite of these flogs.

Patty Mills is actually pretty scrappy himself. Pops players just get more of a pass, otherwise Bruce Bowen should of been killed.

[BigMacAttack]

Good point tbh

Steve Adams would cop a bunch of this, tough white dude

You know being Maori he probably doesn't identify as white..

[Im Still Ballin]

You know being Maori he probably doesn't identify as white..
lmao

dude is clearly white mixed

[NZStreetBaller]

Its called playing hard. the American mind set especially in sport is to complain or snitch or flop etc.

Same reason why the usa leads the world in the amount of law suits. In rugby its a matter of you hit me ill hit you back harder. Complaining to the ref or your mum or the cops is the ***** way out. But when you put our sportsman in america we are perceived as dirty.

[L8krH8tr]

Australia and NZ were both in the Rugby finals this year. Overall people in new Zealand with those Polynesian genetics are huge people. They had to change the average size of the average citizen. If your under 6'1 225 you're considered a small male. Those dudes are tough as ****

[Hittin_Shots]

You know being Maori he probably doesn't identify as white..

Well he's half English and half Tongan.

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lmao

dude is clearly white mixed

Do you know what maori is?

[Gileraracer]

They have to fight kangaroos all day long

[Black and White]

You know being Maori he probably doesn't identify as white..

He's not, hes part Tongan dude.

[SyRyanYang]

Pretty sure they only polled from black athletes and coaches.

[That_Admiral]

Pretty sure they only polled from black athletes and coaches.
Or the clippers team

[Im Still Ballin]

maori is native polynesian

adams is as much british as he is polynesian

it's irrelevant if he identifies as solely maori

because he's not

[Dr Hawk]

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[Horatio33]

Especially with the Aussies, its that convict culture down there. Wish they were British.

[retaxis]

I thought America was a convict colony of the British to begin with?

Australia did have some convicts but much less than america

[Hittin_Shots]

I thought America was a convict colony of the British to begin with?

Australia did have some convicts but much less than america

But you aren't taking into account that Americans don't know shit about any country. USA is a country.

[Spurs m8]

LOL Aussies do not wish to be grumpy Brits tbh

[robert de niro]

Its called playing hard. the American mind set especially in sport is to complain or snitch or flop etc.

Same reason why the usa leads the world in the amount of law suits. In rugby its a matter of you hit me ill hit you back harder. Complaining to the ref or your mum or the cops is the ***** way out. But when you put our sportsman in america we are perceived as dirty.
Thanks for the unbiased opinion, NZStreetBaller

[FKAri]

maori is native polynesian

adams is as much british as he is polynesian

it's irrelevant if he identifies as solely maori

because he's not

I guess there's barely any black guys in the league then.

[BigNBAfan]

Gene Siskel in the front row.

wasnt long after that game he passed away.

[TheBigVeto]

They be hating whiteys in da league. Especially the foreign ones.

[NZStreetBaller]

Thanks for the unbiased opinion, NZStreetBaller

I just call it how i see it. Even on ish its mostly americans who say. "Reported!!! " for any small bad behaviour etc.

[BigMacAttack]

Americans stay snitching.

[JohnFreeman]

Every single Australian playground or lunchtime games involves violence