Andrew Wiggins has led the Timberwolves to the 3rd worst record in the NBA

[PleezeBelieve]

13-29 record ... and that's including a hot 4-2 start

This guy is a scrub :oldlol:

[bdreason]

Young teams lose games in the NBA.

[Horatio33]

13-29 record ... and that's including a hot 4-2 start

This guy is a scrub :oldlol:

Didn't LeBron have 2 losing seasons his first two years?

[LoneyROY7]

No, a scrub would be Dion Waiters.

[outbreak]

No, a scrub would be Dion Waiters.
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/omgshoop.gif

[outbreak]

Young teams lose games in the NBA.
Not to mention they've had injuries too, rubio's been out and they've had zach "should never be a point guard" lavine filling it.

[PleezeBelieve]

Didn't LeBron have 2 losing seasons his first two years?
LeBron turned around a 17 win team into a 35 win team as a rookie

There is no comparison. Stop bringing up LeBron in Wiggins threads.

[PleezeBelieve]

Not to mention they've had injuries too, rubio's been out and they've had zach "should never be a point guard" lavine filling it.
Supposedly Wiggins is the face of the franchise. Minnesota isn't even competitive.

Excuses carry on for this guy...

[BigMacAttack]

Dion Waiters is on his way out of the league.

[outbreak]

Supposedly Wiggins is the face of the franchise. Minnesota isn't even competitive.

Excuses carry on for this guy...

No excuse for bron losing to GSW then. He's the face of the franchise, who cares if the cavs had injuries bron's rep is ruined forever and he's dropped out of the top 20 of all time I assume?

[La Frescobaldi]

13-29 record ... and that's including a hot 4-2 start

This guy is a scrub :oldlol:


empty stats.

[dunksby]

Rubio, Wiggins, Towns, Dieng, Martin are not so bad; Wolves definitely a disappointment so far.

[jimmy77x]

And towns hasn't made them any better at all. Zero impact, just empty stats.

[outbreak]

Dion Waiters is on his way out of the league.
http://oi65.tinypic.com/140g9qw.jpg

[Meticode]

Didn't LeBron have 2 losing seasons his first two years?
No, just his first year. in 04-05 the Cavaliers were 42-40.

The year before LeBron was drafted the Cavaliers won 17 games. The year LeBron was drafted the Cavaliers improved to 35-47, (18 game improvement).

The Timberwolves will have a better record this year than last year, but they need to make some adjustments on their roster. Namely Pekovic, Rubio and possibly Lavine needs to be moved.

I'm sorry, but you can't have a point guard on your team that shoots below 38% from the field for your career/ And this year he's shooting at 34%.

[Meticode]

Dion Waiters is on his way out of the league.
It's ashame too. I love his mentality and the guy has talent, but it's wasted because of his attitude towards the game. He just can't seem to play within a system. I had a lot of hope for him in Cleveland, sadly his best days might be behind him.

[boldarblood]

And towns hasn't made them any better at all. Zero impact, just empty stats.

I hate to agree with you, because it almost sounds like your being cynical. He does have great looking stats, especially as a rookie. But the impact everyone was expecting during preseason and early season is just not there yet.

Despite that, I expect him to have a lot more impact down the road, he's an incredibly talented kid. I still think they have a great foundation, could very well have a bright future. Injuries and youth have not lead to success yet.

And WTF does Dion Waiters have to do with this

[Legends66NBA7]

Wiggins hasn't lead anything. Towns is their best player and Rubio is the veteran.

[Meticode]

I think the Wolves would be a little better if Flip was there though honestly. Maybe 2-5 wins better.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

LeBron turned around a 17 win team into a 35 win team as a rookie

There is no comparison. Stop bringing up LeBron in Wiggins threads.

Compare 2004 East to 2014-2016 West then talk. A 35 win team in the East could barely win maybe 25-30 games in today's West.

[Meticode]

Wiggins has been really aggressive of late, he needs to keep that mentality.

[Smook A.]

In Kevin Durant's 2nd year, the 2008-09 season, the Thunder finished with the 4th worst record in the league :confusedshrug:

[34-24 Footwork]

http://oi65.tinypic.com/140g9qw.jpg


Delonte:lol

[Legends66NBA7]

And WTF does Dion Waiters have to do with this

OP stans Waiters in favour of Wiggins and makes every anti-Wiggins thread. That's why everyone brings up Waiters in his thread to laugh at him.

He's got a cult follower (El Gato Negro) out of it for what it's worth.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Wiggins has been really aggressive of late, he needs to keep that mentality.

He reminds me of a young DeRozan but a little more polish. DeRozan is an above average athlete. Wiggins is arguably a freak athletically and could end up being better than DeRozan is now in his 7th season.

Wiggins has way more potential than how he's been playing. He's better than 20/4/2 43%/25%/73%

[G-train]

13-29 record ... and that's including a hot 4-2 start

This guy is a scrub :oldlol:

You are a scub. Leave the site like you promised.

#MAGIC2009

Yer I was there.

[Legends66NBA7]

In Kevin Durant's 2nd year, the 2008-09 season, the Thunder finished with the 4th worst record in the league :confusedshrug:

2nd year Wiggins isn't close to 2nd year Durant.

Wiggins isn't the best player on his own team like Durant was either, so again this is just a way to draw more hate on the kid.

[boldarblood]

OP stans Waiters in favour of Wiggins and makes every anti-Wiggins thread. That's why everyone brings up Waiters in his thread to laugh at him.

He's got a cult follower (El Gato Negro) out of it for what it's worth.

haha thanks, that is funny shit. It's not even close.

[noob cake]

I applaud Wiggins for breaking 16 PER this year. Maybe he'll one day be barely above average.

For being an elite defensive player, it sure is funny that he has the 4th worst defensive RPM in the league: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/11/sort/DRPM

Wiggins scores 20 a game, gives up 30. Franchise player :roll: :roll:

[EricGordon23]

Wiggins has one of if not the worst coach in the NBA.

They need thibs

[Smook A.]

2nd year Wiggins isn't close to 2nd year Durant.

Wiggins isn't the best player on his own team like Durant was either, so again this is just a way to draw more hate on the kid.
I wasn't comparing Wiggins and Durant as players :oldlol:

The point I was making was that having a bad record with a young star on your team doesn't mean that player is automatically a scrub as according to the dumbass OP.

[GOBB]

Wolves stink. Have for a decade now.


I applaud Wiggins for breaking 16 PER this year. Maybe he'll one day be barely above average.

For being an elite defensive player, it sure is funny that he has the 4th worst defensive RPM in the league: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/11/sort/DRPM

Wiggins scores 20 a game, gives up 30. Franchise player :roll: :roll:

:oldlol: Still trying to justify the love for wiggins deal eh? Hilarious.

[Ass Dan]

yeah, a twenty year old who recently sprouted pubes is scoring 20 plus ppg in the West.

AWFUL!!!

Lets do a deep dive into advanced stats to find out what we can roast him on. Regardless of the fact he is playing with corpses and newbs.

:whatever:

He is already better than DeRozan, that is a dumb comparison.

[Ass Dan]

he was 8/13 tonight and they beat the Suns by 30.

What a piece of shit!

[Legends66NBA7]

He is already better than DeRozan

No he's not.

I'd hope in the future he will be. He is a 1st overall pick.

[Rocketswin2013]

Wiggins is much, much closer to second year Dion Waiters(completely serious) than he is to second year LeBron and Durant.

He can improve, but hopefully Mitchell gets fired or hands Towns the team instead of benching him for every mistake like he's a D-League call up.

[outbreak]

Wiggins is much, much closer to second year Dion Waiters(completely serious) than he is to second year LeBron and Durant.

He can improve, but hopefully Mitchell gets fired or hands Towns the team instead of benching him for every mistake like he's a D-League call up.
Stupid comment is stupid.

The gap between waiters and durant is huge. Wiggins hasn't been an immediate stud and he may never be but even where he is now is head and shoulders above waiters. That's like saying nik vucevic is close to kwame brown than he is to shaq.

[deja vu]

I don't know if he's disinterested or just lacking the killer instinct.

I'm leaning towards the latter.

[DukeDelonte13]

Stupid comment is stupid.

The gap between waiters and durant is huge. Wiggins hasn't been an immediate stud and he may never be but even where he is now is head and shoulders above waiters. That's like saying nik vucevic is close to kwame brown than he is to shaq.


Dion was putting up good numbers the second half of his sophomore year. Something like 19ppg on 45%. Probably had the best stretch in his career. Kyrie missed a bunch of games and Dion almost had free reign.


But Dion is scoring combo guard. The two aren't really comparable IMO. Both totally different types of SG.

[Ass Dan]

No he's not.

I'd hope in the future he will be. He is a 1st overall pick.

Yes he is, there isn't one GM in the league who would take DeRozan over Wiggins, not a single one.

And not you quote P but the others on about Waiters, just cuz tardsauce in the OP ******s him doesn't mean he should ever come up in a Wiggins chat, Waiters in the Chinese all star game in two years.

[iBandwagon]

13-29 record ... and that's including a hot 4-2 start

This guy is a scrub :oldlol:
KAT is the leader of the team, not Wiggins.

[midatlantic09]

Wiggins just isn't that good.

-Little to no playmaking ability
-shakey ball handling skills
-Ok jumpshot
-shoots an ok field goal percentage
-mediocre on defense
-zero killer instinct
-doesn't make teammates better
-not much of a leader
-disappears for long stretches in games (don't even realize he's in the game sometimes)

Honestly, I'd rather develop and build around a guy like Zach LaVine instead of a guy like Wiggins.

[Legends66NBA7]

Yes he is, there isn't one GM in the league who would take DeRozan over Wiggins, not a single one.

That's irrelevant to what's happening right now.

There is no evidence for saying Wiggins is better than DeRozan at this point in time. Not eye test, nor numbers.


Potentially, yeah. Wiggins should be taken over him but I've already said that.

PS- I do think Waiters has talent, but so does a long list of players. You have to put the team first to thrive in any situations. I have not seen that from Dion.

[Legends66NBA7]

Wiggins just isn't that good.

-Little to no playmaking ability
-shakey ball handling skills
-Ok jumpshot
-shoots an ok field goal percentage
-mediocre on defense
-zero killer instinct
-doesn't make teammates better
-not much of a leader
-disappears for long stretches in games (don't even realize he's in the game sometimes)

Honestly, I'd rather build around a guy like Zach LaVine instead of a guy like Wiggins.

Somewhere, IGOTGAME just fainted.

[kshutts1]

I applaud Wiggins for breaking 16 PER this year. Maybe he'll one day be barely above average.

For being an elite defensive player, it sure is funny that he has the 4th worst defensive RPM in the league: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/page/11/sort/DRPM

Wiggins scores 20 a game, gives up 30. Franchise player :roll: :roll:
I could catch a lot of flak for this, because I dislike the focus on advanced stats, and therefore don't follow them much.

Intro over. I'm 99% sure the "average" PER is 15. So if Wiggins has 16, as this poster stated, that already makes him "barely above average", at least relative to that stat.

Assuming what I just said is true, that makes the quoted post one of the most stupid on this site, as he/she clearly disproved his own point.

[Legends66NBA7]

I could catch a lot of flak for this, because I dislike the focus on advanced stats, and therefore don't follow them much.

Intro over. I'm 99% sure the "average" PER is 15. So if Wiggins has 16, as this poster stated, that already makes him "barely above average", at least relative to that stat.

Assuming what I just said is true, that makes the quoted post one of the most stupid on this site, as he/she clearly disproved his own point.

You are right.

noob cake will also have the urge to post anything anti-Wiggins for whatever reasoning so there is no point wasting your time pointing that out.

[Lebron23]

Wiggins just isn't that good.

-Little to no playmaking ability
-shakey ball handling skills
-Ok jumpshot
-shoots an ok field goal percentage
-mediocre on defense
-zero killer instinct
-doesn't make teammates better
-not much of a leader
-disappears for long stretches in games (don't even realize he's in the game sometimes)

Honestly, I'd rather develop and build around a guy like Zach LaVine instead of a guy like Wiggins.


I agree. And Derozan is better than Wiggins right now. Derozan's team is the 2nd seed in the east.

[bdreason]

DeRozan was a top 3 prospect coming out of High School IIRC. He had a pedestrian year at USC (considering the hype), and his stock slipped a bit, but he's always been considered an elite prospect, just like Wiggins. DeRozan is also a freak athlete. I don't know their measurements, but I doubt there's a huge gap.

I guess my only point is that I don't see how comparing Wiggins to DeRozan is an insult. Maybe it's just because I live in SoCal, but DeMar had the Superstar hype around him just like Wiggins did... he just didn't get the exposure that Wiggins got in College. I thought they were actually pretty similar College players as well. :confusedshrug:

[Rocketswin2013]

Dion was putting up good numbers the second half of his sophomore year. Something like 19ppg on 45%. Probably had the best stretch in his career. Kyrie missed a bunch of games and Dion almost had free reign.


But Dion is scoring combo guard. The two aren't really comparable IMO. Both totally different types of SG.
I don't see too much of a difference in terms of impact.

[Legends66NBA7]

For all the year I've seen him play in Toronto, I can honestly say that DeMar isn't a freak athlete. I think that's a common misconception about him.

It always been based on him having a high vertical because and that's it. The rest of his athletic ability is pretty much on average and he's had to work hard on his weaknesses.


I have somewhere to be right now, so read this article for some insight: http://www.raptorshq.com/2015/10/19/9504539/the-myth-of-demar-derozans-athleticism-toronto-raptors

[Lebron23]

Derozan and Wiggins Stats

Demar Derozan

22.6 ppg on 44 FG%, 4.6 rpg, 4.1 apg, 1.0 spg, ( 20.73 PER )

Andrew Wiggins

20.8 ppg on 44.2 FG%, 1.8 apg, 3.8 rpg, 0.5 bpg, 0.8 spg (16.28 PER)

Team Record


Raptors - 25-15

Wolves - 13-29

[Lebron23]

Demar Derozan is severely underrated in this forum. Only Wiggins advantage is youth and potential, but it doesn't mean shit if your team is still a top 3 worst team in the NBA. Anyone can average over 20 ppg while playing on a garbage team.

[PleezeBelieve]

Demar Derozan is severely underrated in this forum. Only Wiggins advantage is youth and potential, but it doesn't mean shit if your team is still a top 3 worst team in the NBA. Anyone can average over 20 ppg while playing on a garbage team.
That's the thing about it -- as long as the T Wolves continue to think Wiggins is their #1 option, they'll continue to lose 4 outta every six games they play.

This has been going on for two seasons now. They've pretty much stunted Lavine's growth and now they're infecting Towns with a losing culture so Wiggins can get 22 points on 8/20 and 1 assist every game

[kurple]

Young teams lose games in the NBA.
Why ain't Orlando, Jazz, Potland or Denver losing as much?

[kurple]

Not to mention they've had injuries too, rubio's been out and they've had zach "should never be a point guard" lavine filling it.
Name me one team that hasn't had injuries

[FireDavidKahn]

Demar Derozan is severely underrated in this forum. Only Wiggins advantage is youth and potential, but it doesn't mean shit if your team is still a top 3 worst team in the NBA. Anyone can average over 20 ppg while playing on a garbage team.
You mean like Durant and Westbrook did?:facepalm

Who knew that players have to develop before they can lead their teams to the top of the league:facepalm

[G-train]

Why ain't Orlando, Jazz, Potland or Denver losing as much?

Because their coach isn't Sam Mitchell and their GM wasn't Flip Saunders (RIP).

The Wolves have a horrible unbalanced roster unsuitable to the current NBA style, and the coach starts Prince and Garnett.

[G-train]

Wiggins is playing good this season, has shown improvement already, has all the tools... to hate on him is pathetic.

[FireDavidKahn]

Because their coach isn't Sam Mitchell and their GM wasn't Flip Saunders (RIP).

The Wolves have a horrible unbalanced roster unsuitable to the current NBA style, and the coach starts Prince and Garnett.
Flip got us Wiggins, Towns, Lavine and Jones (will be a very decent backup pg). His overall tenure as the GM was great. Sucked as a coach though:(

[jbryan1984]

How about Michael Jordan (yes he was injured most of year 2), Allen Iverson, Kevin Durant, Patrick Ewing, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Steph Curry and others all played on losing teams their first two years in the league.

[La Frescobaldi]

How about Michael Jordan (yes he was injured most of year 2), Allen Iverson, Kevin Durant, Patrick Ewing, Kevin Garnett, Paul Pierce, Steph Curry and others all played on losing teams their first two years in the league.

THOSE names in a thread about wiggins? seems like a lot of blue sky tbh

[jbryan1984]

THOSE names in a thread about wiggins? seems like a lot of blue sky tbh


OP is talking about Wiggins like he is some kind of superstar expected to be the franchise of his team, is he not? :confusedshrug:

[veilside23]

the hate on wiggins is unbelievable seriously you think that sam mitchell is a good coach.

[JtotheIzzo]

So many dumb things in this thread.

lets keep it simple and deal in facts.

Wiggins is up 4ppg from last season. That is pretty good improvement (though his assists and rebounds need to improve).

He has A LOT of offensive tools, and seems to play a big role in clutch situations and get a lot of and-1s for someone with no heart or killer instinct.

He is 20.

The Wolves have a bunch of guys who are NOT NBA players or are barely NBA players.

-KG, Andre Miller, Tayshuan are basically corpses at this point
-Lavine is all likelihood the worst defender in the league and has the lowest BBall IQ on the planet.
-Martin is a chucker who is on the downside of his career
-Rubio and Pekovic are huge liabilities in many aspects of the game
-Bjelica, Rudez and Payne are fringe pros.

Basicaly, you could cut everyone except Wiggins, Towns and Muhammed and the team would do the same with spare parts.

I like the old guys for now, they are good for the kids, and I like Tyus Jones as I think he is a pro, the rest, I could live without. I'd keep Rubio maybe but the more he plays themore I think we are just wasting time from finding the future PG.

And the coaching is blech.

Get Thibs, trade all the assest for defensive minded players and keep the core.

[yeaaaman]

Demar Derozan is severely underrated in this forum. Only Wiggins advantage is youth and potential, but it doesn't mean shit if your team is still a top 3 worst team in the NBA. Anyone can average over 20 ppg while playing on a garbage team.

If you're comparing current Derozan to current Wiggins, then Wiggins has a 5 year advantage. That's kind of a big deal for someone who is only 20 years old with all the skills and potential that Wiggins has.

Wiggins is currently 16th in the NBA in scoring, and of those top 16, he has the 8th best FG%. Derozan didn't average 20+ until his 5th year. Kevin Durant didn't break 3 assists until his 5th year. Things take time for almost ALL players. I think Wiggins is going to be just fine.