Duncan 0-2 with a HUGE 2 points in a 29 point win...

[stalkerforlife]

Oh boy, if he wins another title...MOVE HIM UP THE ALL TIME LIST, BABY.

WHAT A TIME.

[Deuce Bigalow]

He was 0-4

+/- of +15

Impact

Dominant

[La Frescobaldi]

He was 0-4

+/- of +15

Impact

Dominant
Howdy db

I just saw a highlight clip of Timmy jacking Dirk under the hoop stripped the ball on the block and like a behind the back outlet pass lol

[plowking]

Opposite of empty stats. Unlike all your heroes.

[stalkerforlife]

Opposite of empty stats. Unlike all your heroes.

Negged.

[La Frescobaldi]

Opposite of empty stats. Unlike all your heroes.
He can't get any higher on the all time list than #1 pf anyhow :lol

[deja vu]

I don't think he moves up the all-time list if he wins his 6th title. Maybe 1 spot and that's it.

[raprap]

He can't get any higher on the all time list than #1 pf anyhow :lol
Haha true

[Spurs m8]

Oh boy, if he wins another title...MOVE HIM UP THE ALL TIME LIST, BABY.

WHAT A TIME.

It's actually awesome how many Laker fans Duncan pisses off hahah

[huskerdu]

I don't think he moves up the all-time list if he wins his 6th title. Maybe 1 spot and that's it.

In that case he's top 5 or 6 all time at the absolute worst.

[iBandwagon]

Better than Kobe.

[SaltyMeatballs]

http://img.pandawhale.com/post-21703-Tim-Duncan-Deal-With-It-gif-gbjX.gif

[pastis]

i mean, Parker/GInobili/Duncan combined for 15 points....but Spurs win by 29 points.

Duncan 2 points (0-4).........if dirk has an off night, dallas gets blown out.
story of TD life since at least 2007.

[BigTicket]

It's called defense.

[Hittin_Shots]

i mean, Parker/GInobili/Duncan combined for 15 points....but Spurs win by 29 points.

Duncan 2 points (0-4).........if dirk has an off night, dallas gets blown out.
story of TD life since at least 2007.

One of the perks of being a defensive player as well, your shot doesn't fall you still impact the game positively.

[Mr. Jabbar]

It's called defense.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KhusltpwMIQ

[Quickening]

One of the perks of being a defensive player as well, your shot doesn't fall you still impact the game positively.

Perk of not being a top 3 player on a stacked team..

[bigkingsfan]

intangibles

[Toizumi]

Troll thread.

Haven't seen the game, but his stats aren't great. That doesn't diminish the fact that Tim Duncan, who is turning 40 this year, is still a fantastic player and a key player on the Spurs, who are again having a phenomenal season.

[Dr Hawk]

Who cares, people wil apparently always favor defense over offense.

If you see someone scoring 25 with no defense, people will claim "yeah, but he played no defense"

If you see someone scoring 0 while playing defense, people will claim"yeah, but he played defense"

Apparently, one 50% of the game is better than the other 50%

[Collie]

9-8 and the defensive anchor of the best defensive team in the league in his 19th season at nearly 40 years old. Even Kareem in his 19th season was a shell of himself (still capable of scoring a bit, but had nonexistent rebounding and was a negative defender at that point).

I'm sure he could still comfortably put up 14-10 like he did last year, but with Aldridge he doesn't need to.

[Kawhi]

Why do these type of threads always come up when Timmy doesn't put up stats that make you jump out of your seat? His impact goes beyond stats, he's never been a boxscore player, it's been like that ever since he came to the NBA. But I guess that's what Kobe-boxscore-watchers are up to now that their favorite player isn't as dominant as he used to be.

At age 40, Duncan still is one of the most important and impactful players on a championship squad. Incredible.

[BuffaloBill]

He was 0-4

+/- of +15

Impact

Dominant


Scored 2 points, still more impact than Kobe :applause:

[ninephive]

Oh boy, if he wins another title...MOVE HIM UP THE ALL TIME LIST, BABY.

WHAT A TIME.
Depends on his play in the playoffs really. Spurs have never had a Finals run where he wasn't a top 3 player. Arguably top 2. Out of his 6 Finals runs, his lowest impact in the playoffs was 2014 where he had a 21.1 PER throughout the playoffs.

[DMAVS41]

So sick of these threads...the dude is an elite defensive player. He's one of the...I don't know...40 best players in the league still...might be better than that.

He's ****ing 40 years old...stop this shit.

What guys like him and Dirk are doing at their ages is amazing and we should just appreciate it.

Yes, he has an all time loaded team...guess what....that is what happens when you are the kind of leader, teammate, and person that Tim Duncan was/is.

[pastis]

Depends on his play in the playoffs really. Spurs have never had a Finals run where he wasn't a top 3 player. Arguably top 2. Out of his 6 Finals runs, his lowest impact in the playoffs was 2014 where he had a 21.1 PER throughout the playoffs.

because he can cakewalk through the ****ing RS since 2007 while spurs will nevertheless be top 4. he can save his energy during the long and exhausting RS, while KOBE and DIRK have to carry scrub at max just for reaching the playoffs.

[AirFederer]

So sick of these threads...the dude is an elite defensive player. He's one of the...I don't know...40 best players in the league still...might be better than that.

He's ****ing 40 years old...stop this shit.

What guys like him and Dirk are doing at their ages is amazing and we should just appreciate it.

Yes, he has an all time loaded team...guess what....that is what happens when you are the kind of leader, teammate, and person that Tim Duncan was/is.

Sums it up right there. :applause:

[Clifton]

They're a team. It doesn't matter who does the scoring.

Most of the successful teams right now have the same philosophy. If something is working, you go with that, even if it's not your superstar.

Anyway, the Spurs would rather have Kawhi and Aldridge win games for them, because they're the future.

[ninephive]

because he can cakewalk through the ****ing RS since 2007 while spurs will nevertheless be top 4. he can save his energy during the long and exhausting RS, while KOBE and DIRK have to carry scrub at max just for reaching the playoffs.
In the last title run (2014), Kobe was making $30 million, Dirk was making $22 million, and Duncan took $10 million. Sucks to be them and to not be able to have the same kind of talent around them as Duncan, but that's what happens when you don't sacrifice for something greater. Dirk finally learned from Duncan and took his paycut so the Mavs could actually start to add talent again...Kobe didn't and the Lakers are a bottom feeder.

[DMAVS41]

In the last title run (2014), Kobe was making $30 million, Dirk was making $22 million, and Duncan took $10 million. Sucks to be them and to not be able to have the same kind of talent around them as Duncan, but that's what happens when you don't sacrifice for something greater. Dirk finally learned from Duncan and took his paycut so the Mavs could actually start to add talent again...Kobe didn't and the Lakers are a bottom feeder.

Finally learned from Duncan? That was Dirk's old deal and really didn't do anything to prevent the Mavs from having an elite team.

This is the problem with some Duncan fans...that pretend like Duncan didn't have a loaded team with a great coach for the majority of his career post 2004...pretending like somehow Duncan made the Spurs get Pop, Manu, Parker...and now Leonard.

Yes, Duncan is one of the best franchise players of all time, but so was Dirk...and Dirk did not prevent the Mavs from putting better players and coaches around him. RC Buford just is way better at his job than Nellie and Cuban were. It's that simple....there is nothing else to really say.

Doesn't change the fact that Duncan was a better player...considerably so at times, but lets tap the brakes on the bullshit above please.

Duncan was better than Dirk...that isn't debatable imo, but you also need to come back to reality.

Dirk learned from Duncan?

Hey dumbass...from the 1999 season to 2015.

Duncan - roughly 232 million in salary

Dirk - roughly 211 million in salary


Come again?

[dhsilv]

Who cares, people wil apparently always favor defense over offense.

If you see someone scoring 25 with no defense, people will claim "yeah, but he played no defense"

If you see someone scoring 0 while playing defense, people will claim"yeah, but he played defense"

Apparently, one 50% of the game is better than the other 50%

How well did said player score 25? How many points were created outside of those? Rarely is a guy playing elite offense AND scoring 25 and people are being critical (unless it's kobe or lebron because well they get hated on).

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

The best stat we have says Duncan when on the court is the 9th most impactful player in his role. Think about that for a second. Is the eye test and our best metric wrong or is he maybe doing things that aren't finding their way into the box score?

[Quickening]

How well did said player score 25? How many points were created outside of those? Rarely is a guy playing elite offense AND scoring 25 and people are being critical (unless it's kobe or lebron because well they get hated on).

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

The best stat we have says Duncan when on the court is the 9th most impactful player in his role. Think about that for a second. Is the eye test and our best metric wrong or is he maybe doing things that aren't finding their way into the box score?

People using the eye test think Duncan is one of the top ten impactful defenders in the NBA?

[DMAVS41]

How well did said player score 25? How many points were created outside of those? Rarely is a guy playing elite offense AND scoring 25 and people are being critical (unless it's kobe or lebron because well they get hated on).

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

The best stat we have says Duncan when on the court is the 9th most impactful player in his role. Think about that for a second. Is the eye test and our best metric wrong or is he maybe doing things that aren't finding their way into the box score?

It doesn't really say that though. It says, in his role, Duncan is making a great contribution.

It isn't saying he's the 9th most impactful player...even if you include the caveat of....in his role.

You'd have to compare him to a player playing similar minutes in a similar role to really "rank him"...and that is going to be hard given his all time loaded team. If you switched Zaza and Duncan....Zaza would likely have the better RPM...even though Duncan is the better player...although not by much to be honest.

What that stat is good for, however, is to at least show Duncan is playing quality basketball and is still a very good player.

Where he actually ranks...I'm not sure. He certainly isn't close to as valuable as Durant, Butler, or Chris Paul.

[stalkerforlife]

because he can cakewalk through the ****ing RS since 2007 while spurs will nevertheless be top 4. he can save his energy during the long and exhausting RS, while KOBE and DIRK have to carry scrub at max just for reaching the playoffs.

Bingo.

[dhsilv]

People using the eye test think Duncan is one of the top ten impactful defenders in the NBA?

Well of course, are you watching him? Great possitioning, great timing. He's playing great defense. Now...he's got a hell of a team and that makes his job easier but we all know talent makes talent look better. Is that a knock on him?

[dhsilv]

It doesn't really say that though. It says, in his role, Duncan is making a great contribution.

It isn't saying he's the 9th most impactful player...even if you include the caveat of....in his role.

You'd have to compare him to a player playing similar minutes in a similar role to really "rank him"...and that is going to be hard given his all time loaded team. If you switched Zaza and Duncan....Zaza would likely have the better RPM...even though Duncan is the better player...although not by much to be honest.

What that stat is good for, however, is to at least show Duncan is playing quality basketball and is still a very good player.

Where he actually ranks...I'm not sure. He certainly isn't close to as valuable as Durant, Butler, or Chris Paul.

It is showing as best we can measure that in doing his role it is the 9th best (pending a massive adjustment for margin of error) in terms box score impact. Now I cannot take that ranking and then say he's the 9th best player because the role he plays is not the same as others.

Now espn does throw in WINS ranking him 23rd if you want a bit more of a minute adjustment, i get why you'll not agree that it's a perfect match but it at least adds more color.

Lets also remember Duncan could take on a bigger role something a similar player to him likely could not do. It might impact him negatively here but still he's far more versatile than any other similar player we could come up with.

[f0und]

its called defense, leadership, sacrifice, and knowing his role.

he's still an impactful defensive player

he leads by playing the game the right way, instead of just trying to score

he sacrificed money to get good players around him

he knows his role and limitations and doesnt try to go beyond them


usually, when you see the boxscore and see a player with 2 points in 29 minutes, youd think the guy is pretty worthless. but you cant just look at the boxscore and nothing else. this isnt baseball. id bet my left nut that if SA didnt have duncan on this team, they would not be on this historic run.

[La Frescobaldi]

People using the eye test think Duncan is one of the top ten impactful defenders in the NBA?
I definitely think that, yeah for my part. He is ALWAYS right in the way whenever somebody tries to go in there

They don't even get a shot off, they just turn around and dribble back out..... hmmmm better try something else

[Dragonyeuw]

Dirk is every bit the 'franchise' player as Duncan. He hasn't had the stability that the Spurs organization has always had around Duncan. Now, to be clear, alot of that stability comes from Duncan himself. But the Spurs top brass have always managed to reload and never drop off as a contender around the Duncan/Parker/Ginobli trio, even as they've aged. It would be interesting to have seen Dirk in that kind of environment. I suspect he'd have quite a few more titles.

[ScalsFan21]

Is Duncan top 10 or better all-time? Absolutely. Will any changes to his ring count from this point forward have a real impact on his legacy? Not really.

[wordsRweapons]

MVP Leonard with 15/4 on 5/11 shooting

[DMAVS41]

It is showing as best we can measure that in doing his role it is the 9th best (pending a massive adjustment for margin of error) in terms box score impact. Now I cannot take that ranking and then say he's the 9th best player because the role he plays is not the same as others.

Now espn does throw in WINS ranking him 23rd if you want a bit more of a minute adjustment, i get why you'll not agree that it's a perfect match but it at least adds more color.

Lets also remember Duncan could take on a bigger role something a similar player to him likely could not do. It might impact him negatively here but still he's far more versatile than any other similar player we could come up with.

No, I agree with most of this...I'm just pointing out that we have to be really careful here with these RPM numbers because what kind of role and team you play with really skews them.

Which is why I like to only use them in a broad sense. Like...regardless of what anyone says...Duncan is still a very good player.

How good? I really don't know...he's nowhere near the 9th best player in the league. But he's comfortably in the top 40...perhaps higher.

[dhsilv]

No, I agree with most of this...I'm just pointing out that we have to be really careful here with these RPM numbers because what kind of role and team you play with really skews them.

Which is why I like to only use them in a broad sense. Like...regardless of what anyone says...Duncan is still a very good player.

How good? I really don't know...he's nowhere near the 9th best player in the league. But he's comfortably in the top 40...perhaps higher.

I don't disagree with this. I was by no means trying to imply duncan is a top 10 player. A month ago hearing he'd be an all star, I'd have thought that reasonable. Now I"m a bit less sure as he has dropped off enough offensively. Top 40 is just no question.

I think wins placing him at 23rd is reasonable enough.

[tontoz]

Duncan salary this season- $5,250,000. Other players, following his lead, also take less than market value.

Duncan, West, Ginobili and Parker combined make $23 million

Kobe salary this season- $25 million

[DMAVS41]

I don't disagree with this. I was by no means trying to imply duncan is a top 10 player. A month ago hearing he'd be an all star, I'd have thought that reasonable. Now I"m a bit less sure as he has dropped off enough offensively. Top 40 is just no question.

I think wins placing him at 23rd is reasonable enough.

Yea...not sure where I'd place him...it's tough.

Where are you getting the wins stat?

ESPN has him at 72nd in estimated wins added.

[dhsilv]

Yea...not sure where I'd place him...it's tough.

Where are you getting the wins stat?

ESPN has him at 72nd in estimated wins added.

Are you looking at hollinger's wins added stuff? That stat is a total mess!

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS

Hmm he's ranked 21 now. Swear it was 23 a few hours ago. Maybe espn updated. Anyway this is what I"m using.

[DMAVS41]

Are you looking at hollinger's wins added stuff? That stat is a total mess!

http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/WINS

Hmm he's ranked 21 now. Swear it was 23 a few hours ago. Maybe espn updated. Anyway this is what I"m using.

Yea...I don't like Hollinger's...I was just curious what you were referencing.

[HOoopCityJones]

i mean, Parker/GInobili/Duncan combined for 15 points....but Spurs win by 29 points.

Duncan 2 points (0-4).........if dirk has an off night, dallas gets blown out.
story of TD life since at least 2007.

Only the delusional Spurs fans and Kobe haters are pretedng he has any impact right now...it's a joke.

[La Frescobaldi]

Only the delusional Spurs fans and Kobe haters are pretedng he has any impact right now...it's a joke.
Did you not watch him put the wood to Cleveland just a few days ago?

That was NOT all Leonard, believe it

[Mr. Jabbar]

MVP

[LAZERUSS]

The Spurs have an eye-popping +14.2 ppg differential. Even the 37-4 Warriors are well below that, at +11.1.

[Gus Hemmingway]

Duncan still contributing as a defensive anchor :bowdown:

Kobe still contributing (3rd season) to the lottery :bowdown:

[La Frescobaldi]

The Spurs have an eye-popping +14.2 ppg differential. Even the 37-4 Warriors are well below that, at +11.1.

San Antonio is unbelievably stacked. LMA on the Spurs? Insanity

[ProfessorMurder]

The Spurs have an eye-popping +14.2 ppg differential. Even the 37-4 Warriors are well below that, at +11.1.
Spurs are +16.4 over their last 30 games.