Lebron shot 35% FG, 23% from 3s against Celtics in 2008 ECSF

[imnew09]

Source (http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/2008-nba-eastern-conference-semifinals-cavaliers-vs-celtics.html)


Damn Son. Still peaking-injury-free Lebron was dropping old-a$$-injured Kobe's 20th season numbers :bowdown: :bowdown:


:facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

He shot just as badly in the '07 Finals, as did Kobe in the '00 & '04 Finals

[34-24 Footwork]

He shot just as badly in the '07 Finals, as did Kobe in the '00 & '04 Finals

When Lebron shoots shitty due to a sore back, cramps, "fatigue" or any other type of bodily trauma, its not his fault.

When Kobe does it, (even on an intentionally sprained ankle by Jalen Rose in 2000) he's fully reaponsible.


You can't argue with the neckbeards.

[sd3035]

quite similar to his deplorable finals performance last year :lol

[Magic 32]

His "horrible" team was 2-2 against the 08 Celtics with him shooting 25.6% and averaging 5.8 turnovers.

[Quickening]

Lebron has better career stats, finals stats, playoff stats and game 7 stats than Kobe :lol :roll:

[VengefulAngel]

Oh this is where the bad posters are, hey guys.


Southbeach is actually good poster and schooled you fools.

[Gus Hemmingway]

And it's still better than Kobes shooting in the past 40 games :roll: :roll:

[Gus Hemmingway]

Lebron has better career stats, finals stats, playoff stats and game 7 stats than Kobe :lol :roll:
:applause: :applause:

[inclinerator]

lebron was the only player to score more than 40 against the celtics in the big 3 era 2007-2008

[Gus Hemmingway]

:applause: :roll: Cavs won more games in that series than the stacked lakers in 08:cheers:

[riseagainst]

:applause: :roll: Cavs won more games in that series than the stacked lakers in 08:cheers:

:biggums:

Kobe sucks.

[stalkerforlife]

Hold this W, Kobe fans.

[RRR3]

Wasn't Kobe better than LeBron back in 2008? This is before LeBron had reached his highest level. Pointless thread.

[Dr Hawk]

PRe-prime Lebron shot .48 TS%

Prime Kobe shot .50 TS% against the same team with twice the help Leborn had.

Cavs second best player was Delonte ****ing West. Lakers' second best player (maybe the best, actually) was future HOFer and one of the best european players of all-time, Lord Pau Gasol.

[RRR3]

PRe-prime Lebron shot .48 TS%

Prime Kobe shot .50 TS% against the same team with twice the help Leborn had.

Cavs second best player was Delonte ****ing West. Lakers' second best player (maybe the best, actually) was future HOFer and one of the best european players of all-time, Lord Pau Gasol.
Pau Gasol was better than MVP Kobe? :lol

[imnew09]

His "horrible" team was 2-2 against the 08 Celtics with him shooting 25.6% and averaging 5.8 turnovers.

LOL.

"Horrible" tho NO help tho :roll: :roll:

[Dr Hawk]

Pau Gasol was better than MVP Kobe? :lol

He maybe was in the finals

[RRR3]

He maybe was in the finals
I can't speak on that, but even if he was, that doesn't mean he was a better player. Especially since I'm sure the Celtics were trying to stop Kobe first and foremost.

[Dr Hawk]

I can't speak on that, but even if he was, that doesn't mean he was a better player. Especially since I'm sure the Celtics were trying to stop Kobe first and foremost.

True

Celtics were trying to stop Kobe first, then Pau. Instead, Celtics were trying to stop Lebron, then Lebron, then Lebron and then and only then, Delonte ****ing West

[Bandito]

lebron was the only player to score more than 40 against the celtics in the big 3 era 2007-2008
Could you called that an era? That was only a year.

[Smoke117]

Pau Gasol was better than "MVP" Kobe? :lol

He didn't even deserve that MVP...Chris Paul did.

[tmacattack33]

It happens.

What is best about Lebron though is that scoring is not all he does on the court. And it's not the best thing he does on the court. Passing is.

[Rocketswin2013]

LeBron pushed a ATG defensive team to the brink with 45 in G7.

Kobe was blown out with a far better team and coach.

[Showtime2001]

He didn't even deserve that MVP...Chris Paul did.
Kobe deserved MVP over Steve Nash in 2006....Cry me a river.

[Lebron23]

LeBron pushed a ATG defensive team to the brink with 45 in G7.

Kobe was blown out with a far better team and coach.


This

[tmacattack33]

Kobe deserved MVP over Steve Nash in 2006....Cry me a river.

:roll:

[imnew09]

He didn't even deserve that MVP...Chris Paul did.


you're one sad mother fka :roll: :roll:

[Showtime2001]

:roll:http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2817947/billbored.gif

[Lebron23]

:roll:


Lebron averaged 31/7/7 on 48 FG% in the 2006 NBA Season. And the Cavs won 50 games.

Nash team won 54 games.

[Straight_Ballin]

Oh this is where the bad posters are, hey guys.


Southbeach is actually good poster and schooled you fools.

Your definition of quality posters are 4 people standing around circle jerking over meaningless stats like VORP and 0-3 ft fg% as they think of ways to forget about the very real 2/6 finals record. The same people that pretend things like the decision and the collusion never happened. The same people who as those events took place, put their hands over their face and chanted "this isn't real, this isn't real, this isn't real"!!

Meanwhile the rest of us quality posters just kick back, put our feet up, and laugh about the fact that the man we watched play live, the GOAT MJ, is still GOAT.

"But if Lebron wins 2 more rings and 2 more FMVP....."
"But if Curry wins 5 more rings and 4 FMVP...."

I've heard it all.

Stop being so insecure.

[ShawkFactory]

Didn't a peak Kobe perform no better against the same team a couple weeks later?

[AirBonner]

Didn't a peak Kobe perform no better against the same team a couple weeks later?
its not the same tho. Kobe gets a pass :lol

[Lebron23]

Lebron > Kobe against the same Celtics Team.

[Smoke117]

Dwyane Wade vs 2010 Celtics:

33.2ppg 6.8apg .564%fg .650%ts

Kobe Bryant vs 2010 Celtics:

28.6ppg 3.9apg .405%fg .528%ts

https://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif

[Dr Hawk]

Dwyane Wade vs 2010 Celtics:

33.2ppg 6.8apg .564%fg .650%ts

Kobe Bryant vs 2010 Celtics:

28.6ppg 3.9apg .405%fg .528%ts

https://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

His game 1 against that team is in the pool for worst playoff game ever by an alltime great

12pts 2-18 shooting 26TS%. 10 turnovers and somehow his team only lost by 4 (because the Cavs were more dependent on stacked team defense and rebounding than Brons offense:applause: :applause:

[VengefulAngel]

Your definition of quality posters are 4 people standing around circle jerking over meaningless stats like VORP and 0-3 ft fg% as they think of ways to forget about the very real 2/6 finals record. The same people that pretend things like the decision and the collusion never happened. The same people who as those events took place, put their hands over their face and chanted "this isn't real, this isn't real, this isn't real"!!

Meanwhile the rest of us quality posters just kick back, put our feet up, and laugh about the fact that the man we watched play live, the GOAT MJ, is still GOAT.

"But if Lebron wins 2 more rings and 2 more FMVP....."
"But if Curry wins 5 more rings and 4 FMVP...."

I've heard it all.

Stop being so insecure.

How meaningless is your life where you have to live vicariously through a basketball player in order to experience any success. The truth is that if spent 1/8th the effort you might actually experience some success of your own.

My posts on the whole tend to reflect and are based on evidence, you deal with generalities such as the ones you've listed above.

In what world does a quality poster have to worship a man you will never know, I define a quality poster as a person who's willing to engage in arguments, providing evidence for why they believe what they do, and is willing to accept other player's greatness without being bitter or concerned that this might de-throne their hero.

You my friend are not a quality poster and It's clear the majority of this community believes that. I find it ironic that you are accusing me of being insecure when I could find 25 threads of you being exactly what you've described. If you would like I could fine these threads to further your embarrassment.

[G-Funk]

:applause: :roll: Cavs won more games in that series than the stacked lakers in 08:cheers:
"Stacked Lakers"lmao

[jrong]

And 6 TOs/ game. Because he's LeBron, the media forgets his overall play in that series and focuses on his Game 7 duel with Pierce. If he shot better than 2/18 in Game 1, the Cavs win in 6 (5/18 would have done it).

So the Cavs would have been in the ECFs against a worse Pistons squad than they spanked the year before with a worse team. In the Finals, they would have met the Lakers, who they swept that regular season. LeBron takes those Cavs to a title, and people would have put him near GOAT contention with only one ring.

James has had some immaculate playoff performances, but his record is mixed. He has four very high profile failures: Spurs '07 (he wasn't gonna win, but come on, don't go 36% FGs and 6 TOs again and get swept), '08 Celtics, '10 Celtics when he quit on the team, and of course, the infamous '11 Finals.

[SouBeachTalents]

And 6 TO/ game. Because he's LeBron, the media forgets his overall play in that series and focuses on his Game 7 duel with Pierce. If he shot better than 2/18 in Game 1, the Cavs win in 6 (5/18 would have done it).

So the Cavs would have been in the ECFs against the same Pistons team they spanked the year before with a worse team. In the Finals, they would have met the Lakers, who they swept that regular season. LeBron takes those Cavs to a title, and people would have put him near GOAT contention with only one ring.

James has had some immaculate playoff performances, but his record is mixed. He has four very high profile failures: Spurs '07 (he wasn't gonna win, but come on, don't go 36% FGs and 6 TOs again and get swept), '08 Celtics, '10 Celtics when he quit on the team, and of course the infamous '11 Finals.

2011 Finals is probably the worst series any top 10 player of all time has had, but as for the rest of your comment, besides Jordan I'm sure you could find 3-4 series that other top 10 players of all time played very poorly in, even if it resulted in a win. I don't disagree with what you said though, LeBron was terrible in '07 and several games in '08 & '10

[Lebron23]

How meaningless is your life where you have to live vicariously through a basketball player in order to experience any success. The truth is that if spent 1/8th the effort you might actually experience some success of your own.

My posts on the whole tend to reflect and are based on evidence, you deal with generalities such as the ones you've listed above.

In what world does a quality poster have to worship a man you will never know, I define a quality poster as a person who's willing to engage in arguments, providing evidence for why they believe what they do, and is willing to accept other player's greatness without being bitter or concerned that this might de-throne their hero.

You my friend are not a quality poster and It's clear the majority of this community believes that. I find it ironic that you are accusing me of being insecure when I could find 25 threads of you being exactly what you've described. If you would like I could fine these threads to further your embarrassment.


God Damn It. You just ended Straight_Ballin's posting career. It's the best ether in this forum. And every poster needs to read it.

Poor Straight_Ballin. Getting posterize like a Prime Shawn Bradley. Every posters here in the past few days take a huge dump on him.

[tpols]

Dwyane Wade vs 2010 Celtics:

33.2ppg 6.8apg .564%fg .650%ts

Kobe Bryant vs 2010 Celtics:

28.6ppg 3.9apg .405%fg .528%ts

https://media.giphy.com/media/O5NyCibf93upy/giphy.gif


Kobe getting the ring while Wade got knocked out in the first round

#emptystats #dwhistle

[feyki]

Why Ray Allen was terrible at that series ?

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe getting the ring while Wade got knocked out in the first round

#emptystats #dwhistle

So '06 Wade > '06 Kobe?

[Smoke117]

Why Ray Allen was terrible at that series ?

One of his sons was sick and he was distracted during that entire series.

[aj1987]

His "horrible" team was 2-2 against the 08 Celtics with him shooting 25.6% and averaging 5.8 turnovers.
Well, LeBron shot 6-24 and his team lost. Kobe shot 6-24 and his team won a game 7 of the Finals.

BTW, in the first two wins, LeBron averaged 21/6/11/4/3 with only 3 TOV's. 31/6/8/2/1 on 54% TS over the last 5 games, including 45/6/5/2/1 in the game 7, which the Cav's lost.


So '06 Wade > '06 Kobe?
What that dude scramble for excuses and make up arbitrary criteria right now. :roll:


Kobe deserved MVP over Steve Nash in 2006....Cry me a river.
What was it? 45 wins? Yeah, a dude on a 45 win team winning MVP. :roll:

Have some self respect and change your avatar, dude.

[Hey Yo]

And 6 TOs/ game. Because he's LeBron, the media forgets his overall play in that series and focuses on his Game 7 duel with Pierce. If he shot better than 2/18 in Game 1, the Cavs win in 6 (5/18 would have done it).
Considering that the team as a whole shot 31% in that game 1, you could say if any Cavs player made 3 more shots they would have won (West 2-10, Z 8-18, Wally Z 5-14)


So the Cavs would have been in the ECFs against a worse Pistons squad than they spanked the year before with a worse team. In the Finals, they would have met the Lakers, who they swept that regular season. LeBron takes those Cavs to a title, and people would have put him near GOAT contention with only one ring.
The above is total assumption based on what happen in the past. I'm sure there's many examples of teams sweeping another in the reg. season but lose to them in the playoffs. That's what happen to Chicago in 2011 when they swept Miami in the reg. season, only to lose to Miami on the playoffs.


James has had some immaculate playoff performances, but his record is mixed. He has four very high profile failures: Spurs '07 (he wasn't gonna win, but come on, don't go 36% FGs and 6 TOs again and get swept), '08 Celtics, '10 Celtics when he quit on the team, and of course, the infamous '11 Finals.

If he quit on the team, then why exert the energy to put up 27-19-10 in a must win game 6? (and yes I know he had a lot of TO's that game)

[Smoke117]

Kobe getting the ring while Wade got knocked out in the first round

#emptystats #dwhistle

Kobe Bryant had Pau Gasol...Dwyane Wade had Michael Beasley...

[jrong]

)The above is total assumption based on what happen in the past. I'm sure there's many examples of teams sweeping another in the reg. season but lose to them in the playoffs..

Even getting him to the Finals for the second consecutive year would have elevated his greatness at that point in his career. But, if he did give the media the Cavs/ Lakers Finals it was fiending for and then beat Kobe?! Good God, they probably would have anointed him right there.


If he quit on the team, then why exert the energy to put up 27-19-10 in a must win game 6? (and yes I know he had a lot of TO's that game)

Do you remember that game? That was possibly the best "make it look good" performance I've ever seen. You just had to understand what you were seeing to realize that he had no interest in actually winning that game and had already mentally checked out of Cleveland.

[feyki]

One of his sons was sick and he was distracted during that entire series.

Thanks bro .

[Showtime2001]

What was it? 45 wins? Yeah, a dude on a 45 win team winning MVP. :roll:

Have some self respect and change your avatar, dude.
What was it? 40 wins? Yeah, a dude on a 40 win team not even making the playoffs Kareem won MVP. :oldlol:

Clearly you're mad accept the L and move on.

[aj1987]

Do you remember that game? That was possibly the best "make it look good" performance I've ever seen. You just had to understand what you were seeing to realize that he had no interest in actually winning that game and had already mentally checked out of Cleveland.
:biggums:

I remember posting a play-by-play rebuttal to some of the "bad" plays LeBron had in that game. You might want to look that up.

Also, how great of a player do you have to be to put up a 27/19/10 game, including 10 points on 3/5 shooting with 6 rebounds and 2 assists in the 4th after "checking out"?


What was it? 40 wins? Yeah, a dude on a 40 win team not even making the playoffs Kareem won MVP. :oldlol:

Clearly you're mad accept the L and move on.
How am I mad? I'm not a KAJ fan, LeBron has 3 more MVP's than Rapebe in 7 fewer season, and Chuckbe did not win MVP in '06. Seems like you're the one who's mad. :oldlol:

[34-24 Footwork]

If Kobe never would've won in 2009 and 2010, then we wouldn't even be having half of these "help" discussions .

No one thought he'd win without Shaq so now people are forced to judge EVERY GREAT player in history differently due to their hate for Kobe.

[34-24 Footwork]

Very unfortunate turn for basketball. It's forced people to put Paul Gasol in the same sentence as Shaq and also led to the degradation of really good basketball players.....all for the sake of Kobe being able to win.....and Lebron losing at an unexpected pace.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Since when were the 08 Lakers stacked? :oldlol:

Kobe had no other all stars beside him, had no Bynum or Ariza for the playoffs

Vladimir Radmonovic was our starting Power Forward throughout the playoffs

Sasha Vucevic was the 6th man, with Jordan Farmar and Luke Walton getting the 2nd and 3rd most minutes off the bench

That is what you would consider a loaded team? No all stars outside of Kobe and Sasha Vucevic + Jordan Farmar as the first 2 guys off the bench? Vladimir Radmonovic starting... :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lebron averaged 31/7/7 on 48 FG% in the 2006 NBA Season. And the Cavs won 50 games.

Nash team won 54 games.

and couldn't even make the all defensive team while being the most hyped player in the entire league..

And aren't those all defensive teams supposed to be based off hype primarily? That's the bull shit you guys constantly push.. yet the most hyped player in the league couldn't even make the all nba 2nd team that year..

I guess that only applies to Kobe, huh?

[34-24 Footwork]

It all comes down to Lebron being too good to lose - and he's been losing more than winning.

And...


Kobe being too "inefficient" to win- and he's won more than he's lost..


Stats say that Lebron should've won more rings than Kobe...that has obviously made a lot of posters angry.

[3ball]

That series was brick-city for Lebron... and Lebron fans ACTUALLY give him props for that series.

[3ball]

Lebron has about a half dozen playoff series where he shot in the 30's - he literally has SEVERAL of the worst shooting performances in NBA history.

He has 2 Finals where he missed 80% of his jumpshots and his jumpshooting percentage has been at the bottom of the league for nearly his ENTIRE CAREER

so the guy can't shoot for shit and it hurts his team massively on the biggest stage, but he's a top 10 all-time player?... GTFO

[3ball]

He shot just as badly in the '07 Finals, as did Kobe in the '00 & '04 Finals


He averaged 22 ppg on 35% in a very winnable 2007 Finals.

Game 1 was an 8-point game in 4th quarter despite 5-15 and 10 points from Lebron... Games 3 and 4 were one-possession nail-biters despite 24 pts on 39% shooting, and 25 points on 33% shooting from Lebron.

If Lebron shot 50% (just like Kobe, Melo and Bonzi shot against that same Spurs team), the Cavs WIN EASILY.

Ditto on 2015 Finals where he shot 39%, including 29% outside of 5 feet.. The Cavs win easily if Lebron shot 50% AND played good defense, instead of missing literally 80% of his jumpers and letting a role player be > Curry..

And by Game 4, the Warriors had figured out the basic Lebron-ball and won 3 straight - they would've won 10 straight at that point.

[pauk]

Dropping old-ass-injured Kobe 20th season numbers? More like Your-EveryPlayoffseries-Prime-Kobe numbers.......

31% FG, 21% from 3's vs Jazz (1st round) 1998 (he was 20-21, no excuse, its an age where Lebron took the worst team in NBA Finals history to the NBA Finals)

36% FG, 20% from 3's vs Pacers (Finals) 2000

35% FG vs Blazers (1st round) 2002

38% FG, 17% from 3's vs Pistons (Finals) 2004

38% FG, 21% from 3's vs Rockets (1st round) 2004

41% FG, 26% from 3's vs Wolves (WCF) 2004

Infact that entire playoffs 2004 run (22 games) he shot 41% FG, 24 from 3.

40% FG vs Celtics (Finals) 2008

40% FG vs Thunder (1st round) 2010

40% FG, 31% from 3's vs Celtics (Finals) 2010

42% FG, 11% from 3's vs Thunder (WCSF) 2012

Except for that he was always hovering around these numbers in 99% of his playoff series...........

Dont know why you Kobetards always set yourselves up for these backfires....

[imnew09]

Since when were the 08 Lakers stacked? :oldlol:

Kobe had no other all stars beside him, had no Bynum or Ariza for the playoffs

Vladimir Radmonovic was our starting Power Forward throughout the playoffs

Sasha Vucevic was the 6th man, with Jordan Farmar and Luke Walton getting the 2nd and 3rd most minutes off the bench

That is what you would consider a loaded team? No all stars outside of Kobe and Sasha Vucevic + Jordan Farmar as the first 2 guys off the bench? Vladimir Radmonovic starting... :oldlol:

This.

Lakers literally only used 9 PLAYERS for the entire series with Ronny Turiaf as our backup center. :facepalm STACKED THO

[3ball]

This.

Lakers literally only used 9 PLAYERS for the entire series with Ronny Turiaf as our backup center. :facepalm STACKED THO
Lakers were NOT stacked in 2008 playoffs - it was Pau, Kobe, and THAT'S IT - and yet they waltzed to the Finals with the greatest of ease.

Otoh, Lebron has 2 Finals where he missed 80% of his jumpshots and a half dozen playoff series where he shot in the 30's.. Furthermore, his jumpshooting percentage has been at the bottom of the league for nearly his ENTIRE CAREER

so the guy can't shoot for shit and it hurts his team massively on the biggest stage, but he's a top 10 all-time player?... GTFO

[imnew09]

Dropping old-ass-injured Kobe 20th season numbers? More like Your-EveryPlayoffseries-Prime-Kobe numbers.......

31% FG, 21% from 3's vs Jazz (1st round) 1998 (he was 20-21, no excuse, its an age where Lebron took the worst team in NBA Finals history to the NBA Finals)

36% FG, 20% from 3's vs Pacers (Finals) 2000

35% FG vs Blazers (1st round) 2002

38% FG, 17% from 3's vs Pistons (Finals) 2004

38% FG, 21% from 3's vs Rockets (1st round) 2004

41% FG, 26% from 3's vs Wolves (WCF) 2004

Infact that entire playoffs 2004 run (22 games) he shot 41% FG, 24 from 3.

40% FG vs Celtics (Finals) 2008

40% FG vs Thunder (1st round) 2010

40% FG, 31% from 3's vs Celtics (Finals) 2010

42% FG, 11% from 3's vs Thunder (WCSF) 2012

Except for that he was always hovering around these numbers in 99% of his playoff series...........

Dont know why you Kobetards always set yourselves up for these backfires....


Kobe is a SG and Lebron is a fken forward ( lay-ups and dunks). We all saw what Lebron could do when he tried shooting the ball... 29% outside of 5 feet :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

But i mean he was always however around these numbers in 99% of his playoff series...........


must be why he had a 3 year stretch of making the finals and averaging 30/6/6 on 57% TS in the playoffs while winning 2 rings which makes up 30%+ of his total career games in the playoffs.


so as usual you are wrong.

[Smoke117]

That series was brick-city for Lebron... and Lebron fans ACTUALLY give him props for that series.

1-9

[3ball]

1-9


you still haven't told me:

which series during 1-9 was MJ expected to win?

[Smoke117]

you still haven't told me:

which series during 1-9 was MJ expected to win?

Oh...I don't have anything real to discuss with you anymore. You're a joke and not worth my time.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe @ 30 years old in the playoffs = 30ppg on 23 FGA for 46% FG and 56% TS


Lebron @ 30 in the playoffs = 30ppg on 27 FGA for 42% FGA and 49% TS


Lebron without the big 3 in the playoffs = 54% TS while playing his entire career in the no hand checking era

Kobe for his entire career = 54% TS in the playoffs which includes 98-04 of hand check era basketball where scoring efficiency was way lower than it is today around the league.

Kobe w/o hand-checking in the playoffs from 06-10 =

59%, 56%, 58%, 56% 57%


Kobe 08: 30ppg on 58% TS

Kobe 09: 30ppg on 56% TS

Kobe 10: 30 ppg on 57% TS

that is elite/all time great dominance of scoring and efficiency, Kobe was putting up 30ppg in the playoffs during championship runs with the same level of efficiency as "MDE" Shaq

00 Shaq = 31ppg on 56% TS


take away Bosh and Wade and Lebron hasn't proved that he can score big points on elite efficiency through a championship run (or finals appearance)

Kobe proved he could score big points on elite efficiency without Shaq 3 straight years in a row through a championship run (or finals appearance)


this notion that prime Kobe wasn't tremendously efficient is nonsense, the list of players who have won a title while averaging 30ppg on 57% TS is extremely short and includes players like Lebron, Jordan and Shaq- all of which are considered to be extremely efficient players

Lebron has done this once, Shaq never did 30 ppg on 57% TS during a finals run with the Lakers (he got 56% TS so for this argument i'll give it to him) and Jordan did it twice... Kobe has done this twice

[3ball]

Oh...I don't have anything real to discuss with you anymore. You're a joke and not worth my time.

the facts I post make you mad... that's why you always take the time to respond..

1-9 is you saying "*&^%&!!!"

[3ball]

.
Here's Lebron's FG% on all "jumpshots" and "midrange" from stats.nba.com (midrange is defined as all shots inside 3-point line but outside paint):


.........All Jumpshots................... Midrange

2004: 32.5%, 324/998............ 33.2%, 183/551
2005: 35.2%, 400/1136.......... 36.0%, 217/602
2006: 36.3%, 423/1166.......... 38.4%, 242/630
2007: 34.9%, 372/1066.......... 35.1%, 204/581
2008: 33.8%, 338/1001.......... 36.4%, 185/508
2009: 35.7%, 366/1024.......... 36.8%, 193/525
2010: 36.7%, 356/970........... 38.8%, 188/444
2011: 40.6%, 393/968........... 44.6%, 217/487
2012: 39.9%, 290/726........... 42.3%, 188/444
2013: 42.5%, 333/784........... 43.2%, 174/403
2014: 39.1%, 288/736........... 38.5%, 126/327
2015: 35.5%, 280/788........... 37.0%, 127/343
2016: 33.1%, 114/331........... 36.6%, 56/163


As you can see, Lebron's jumpshooting has been near the bottom of the league for nearly his ENTIRE CAREER - otoh, Kobe's jumpshooting was never considered among the league's worst.





Where were you making these claims during his 14' finals? How about nearly his whole time at Miami?


You don't realize how dumb Lebron and the Heat were in 2014.. In the Finals, the Heat shot better than any other Spurs opponent (DAL, POR, OKC), yet they lost by the most.

Why is this?.. Because the Heat were so wrapped up in their efficiency strategy, that they lost sight of what wins games - POINTS - the more points you score, the better chance you have to win, irregardless of efficiency.

This was proven by the stats.. Again, the Heat shot the best, but lost by the most and had the widest differential in ORtg ever.. Otoh, the stat that ACTUALLY affected the ORtg differential was PPG:

DAL scored the most ppg vs. Spurs, and their disadvantage in ORtg was the smallest.. OKC scored the 2nd most ppg, and their disadvantage in ORtg was the 2nd smallest.. POR scored the 3rd most, and their disadvantage was the 3rd smallest... And of course, Miami, with their dumb efficiency strategy, scored the least ppg, and their disadvantage in ORtg was the most, BY FAR..

[Showtime2001]

How am I mad? I'm not a KAJ fan, LeBron has 3 more MVP's than Rapebe in 7 fewer season, and Chuckbe did not win MVP in '06. Seems like you're the one who's mad. :oldlol:
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[Straight_Ballin]

How meaningless is your life where you have to live vicariously through a basketball player in order to experience any success. The truth is that if spent 1/8th the effort you might actually experience some success of your own.

My posts on the whole tend to reflect and are based on evidence, you deal with generalities such as the ones you've listed above.

In what world does a quality poster have to worship a man you will never know, I define a quality poster as a person who's willing to engage in arguments, providing evidence for why they believe what they do, and is willing to accept other player's greatness without being bitter or concerned that this might de-throne their hero.

You my friend are not a quality poster and It's clear the majority of this community believes that. I find it ironic that you are accusing me of being insecure when I could find 25 threads of you being exactly what you've described. If you would like I could fine these threads to further your embarrassment.

But you are insecure. You just wrote paragraphs in an unsuccessful attempt to prove that you are secure. If you want to compare individual success, accomplishments, bank accounts, whatever with each other, I'd be more than happy to accommodate and leave you walking away with your tail between your legs feeling all stupid. It would probably be a wasted effort on my part however because I'm talking to someone that doesn't possess an original thought in his mind. All you do is recycle old insults that were originally made about lebald stans and try to re-apply them to those who call you out on your bullsh1t. You're not fooling anyone but yourself bro.


They have no lives so they live vicariously through their favorite player's success. Examples: dubeta, JT123, LeBron23, and Pauk.

[sd3035]

How am I mad? I'm not a KAJ fan, LeBron has 3 more MVP's than Rapebe in 7 fewer season, and Chuckbe did not win MVP in '06. Seems like you're the one who's mad. :oldlol:

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[TheMarkMadsen]

[B]




You don't realize how dumb Lebron and the Heat were in 2014.. In the Finals, the Heat shot better than any other Spurs opponent (DAL, POR, OKC), yet they lost by the most.

Why is this?.. Because the Heat were so wrapped up in their efficiency strategy, that they lost sight of what wins games - POINTS - the more points you score, the better chance you have to win, irregardless of efficiency.

This was proven by the stats.. Again, the Heat shot the best, but lost by the most and had the widest differential in ORtg ever.. Otoh, the stat that ACTUALLY affected the ORtg differential was PPG:

DAL scored the most ppg vs. Spurs, and their disadvantage in ORtg was the smallest.. OKC scored the 2nd most ppg, and their disadvantage in ORtg was the 2nd smallest.. POR scored the 3rd most, and their disadvantage was the 3rd smallest... And of course, Miami, with their dumb efficiency strategy, scored the least ppg, and their disadvantage in ORtg was the most, BY FAR..


this is actually a good point. The HEAT were efficient yet literally received the worst series loss in nba finals history, The Spurs outscored the Heat in the series by the largest average point differential (14.0) in Finals history.

[Straight_Ballin]

Every single time one of these peasants tries to defend Lebron James on anything, they go down in flames and full meltdown mode is activated.

Every
Single
Time

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[VengefulAngel]

But you are insecure. You just wrote paragraphs in an unsuccessful attempt to prove that you are secure. If you want to compare individual success, accomplishments, bank accounts, whatever with each other, I'd be more than happy to accommodate and leave you walking away with your tail between your legs feeling all stupid. It would probably be a wasted effort on my part however because I'm talking to someone that doesn't possess an original thought in his mind. All you do is recycle old insults that were originally made about lebald stans and try to re-apply them to those who call you out on your bullsh1t. You're not fooling anyone but yourself bro.

I can read this crap without cringing.

Ok but please don't bring up 6 rings I won't be able to compete with you there...

:lol

[aj1987]

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As always, solid contribution, warriorfan.



Also, as always, Kobeturds bringing up LeBron's worst runs and comparing them to Kobe's best. Not surprisingly, if you take into account rebounds and assists, LeBron >> Kobe.

[tmacattack33]

Kobe @ 30 years old in the playoffs = 30ppg on 23 FGA for 46% FG and 56% TS


Lebron @ 30 in the playoffs = 30ppg on 27 FGA for 42% FGA and 49% TS


Lebron without the big 3 in the playoffs = 54% TS while playing his entire career in the no hand checking era

Kobe for his entire career = 54% TS in the playoffs which includes 98-04 of hand check era basketball where scoring efficiency was way lower than it is today around the league.

Kobe w/o hand-checking in the playoffs from 06-10 =

59%, 56%, 58%, 56% 57%


Kobe 08: 30ppg on 58% TS

Kobe 09: 30ppg on 56% TS

Kobe 10: 30 ppg on 57% TS

that is elite/all time great dominance of scoring and efficiency, Kobe was putting up 30ppg in the playoffs during championship runs with the same level of efficiency as "MDE" Shaq

00 Shaq = 31ppg on 56% TS


take away Bosh and Wade and Lebron hasn't proved that he can score big points on elite efficiency through a championship run (or finals appearance)

Kobe proved he could score big points on elite efficiency without Shaq 3 straight years in a row through a championship run (or finals appearance)


this notion that prime Kobe wasn't tremendously efficient is nonsense, the list of players who have won a title while averaging 30ppg on 57% TS is extremely short and includes players like Lebron, Jordan and Shaq- all of which are considered to be extremely efficient players

Lebron has done this once, Shaq never did 30 ppg on 57% TS during a finals run with the Lakers (he got 56% TS so for this argument i'll give it to him) and Jordan did it twice... Kobe has done this twice

:biggums:

LOL at just deleting Lebron's 2011-2014 playoff runs from history because they happened with Wade and Bosh.

That was Lebron's ages 26-30. His best years.

Also, Lebron didn't have Bosh for most of the 2012 run.

Furthermore, you seem so proud of Kobe's 57% TS playoff runs. That's cute. Lebron's had playoffs of 67% TS, 62 % , and 61%. Did you think that we wouldn't have known that? LOL.

[TheMarkMadsen]

:biggums:

LOL at just deleting Lebron's 2011-2014 playoff runs because they happened with Wade and Bosh.

That was Lebron's ages 26-30. His best years.

Also, Lebron didn't have Bosh for most of the 2012 run.

Furthermore, you seem so proud of Kobe's 57% TS playoff runs. That's cute. Lebron's had playoffs of 67% TS, 62 % , and 61%. Did you think that we wouldn't have known that? LOL.


LOL at just deleting Lebron's 2011-2014 playoff runs because they happened with Wade and Bosh.

oh just like you guys delete 00-02 Kobe because he played with Shaq? Oh is that not fair now? :cry: :cry:

Lebron hasn't shown that he can maintain big time scoring on elite efficiency without his all star team beside him. When he doesn't have two other all stars taking away attention from the defense he hasn't shown that he can be as efficient over the course of a finals/championship run His FG% dropped 16% from the 2014 to the 2015 playoffs.



Furthermore, you seem so proud of Kobe's 57% TS playoff runs. That's cute. Lebron's had playoffs of 67% TS, 62 % , and 61%. Did you think that we wouldn't have known that? LOL

God dammit man, I literally typed this shit out numerous times so that even if you had a reading deficiency you wouldn't miss this.. READ THIS AGAIN


take away Bosh and Wade and Lebron hasn't proved that he can score big points on elite efficiency through a championship run (or finals appearance)

Kobe proved he could score big points on elite efficiency without Shaq 3 straight years in a row through a championship run (or finals appearance)


this notion that prime Kobe wasn't tremendously efficient is nonsense, the list of players who have won a title while averaging 30ppg on 57% TS is extremely short and includes players like Lebron, Jordan and Shaq- all of which are considered to be extremely efficient players

Lebron has done this once, Shaq never did 30 ppg on 57% TS during a finals run with the Lakers (he got 56% TS so for this argument i'll give it to him) and Jordan did it twice... Kobe has done this twice

I literally typed that shit out 4 different times, DURING A CHAMPIONSHIP RUN, DURING A FINALS RUN. 30 ppg..

Plenty of players can put up good efficiency over 10 or so games, I'm talking about an entire playoff run through the finals (usually about 20+ games). Being able to sustain that scoring over 20+ games is on a different level than doing it through the second round. And in 14 he only averaged 27ppg, I specified that I was talking about 30ppg runs multiple times.

please read the entire post instead of just skimming through it because when you do that you don't actually respond to anything and I have to repeat myself all over again.

[Hey Yo]

Lakers were NOT stacked in 2008 playoffs - it was Pau, Kobe, and THAT'S IT - and yet they waltzed to the Finals with the greatest of ease.
You forgot Odom who avg. 12-9-4 in the first round...18-11-2 in the second round (with Fisher also adding 14-2-2) and 13-9-3 in the WCF.


Otoh, Lebron has 2 Finals where he missed 80% of his jumpshots and a half dozen playoff series where he shot in the 30's.. Furthermore, his jumpshooting percentage has been at the bottom of the league for nearly his ENTIRE CAREER.
What's the stats of the other 22yr old's who led their team to the Finals?

What's the stats of all the others who were playing and leading their team to their 4th straight Finals, while appearing in their 5th straight, while leading both teams in PPG, TRB and assists, while getting 4 Finals MVP votes on the losing team...while having no other all-stars, just postseason virgins for the series?


so the guy can't shoot for shit and it hurts his team massively on the biggest stage, but he's a top 10 all-time player?... GTFO

:cletus: ^^

[Showtime2001]

As always, solid contribution, warriorfan.



Also, as always, Kobeturds bringing up LeBron's worst runs and comparing them to Kobe's best. Not surprisingly, if you take into account rebounds and assists, LeBron >> Kobe.
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[3ball]

What's the stats of the other 22yr old's who led their team to the Finals?

What's the stats of all the others who were playing and leading their team to their 4th straight Finals, while appearing in their 5th straight,


jordan's stats as 23 year old vs. championship team and #1 defense:

44 ppg on 51%



lebron's stats under same conditions at 22 years old:

22 ppg on 35%





What's the stats of all the others who were playing and leading their team to their 4th straight Finals, while appearing in their 5th straight,


It's easy to lead your team to the Finals every year when you only have to beat ONE THIRD the 50-win teams of Kobe and MJ to get there.

But the INSTANT Lebron faces a championship-caliber team (which is never until the Finals) he gets destroyed, hence 2/6.

Otoh, 23-year old MJ had to face championship-level teams in the first round - but instead of averaging 22 ppg on 35% like Lebron did, he averaged 44 ppg on 51%.

[imnew09]

Here's Lebron's FG% on all "jumpshots" and "midrange" from stats.nba.com (midrange is defined as all shots inside 3-point line but outside paint):


.........All Jumpshots................... Midrange

2004: 32.5%, 324/998............ 33.2%, 183/551
2005: 35.2%, 400/1136.......... 36.0%, 217/602
2006: 36.3%, 423/1166.......... 38.4%, 242/630
2007: 34.9%, 372/1066.......... 35.1%, 204/581
2008: 33.8%, 338/1001.......... 36.4%, 185/508
2009: 35.7%, 366/1024.......... 36.8%, 193/525
2010: 36.7%, 356/970........... 38.8%, 188/444
2011: 40.6%, 393/968........... 44.6%, 217/487
2012: 39.9%, 290/726........... 42.3%, 188/444
2013: 42.5%, 333/784........... 43.2%, 174/403
2014: 39.1%, 288/736........... 38.5%, 126/327
2015: 35.5%, 280/788........... 37.0%, 127/343
2016: 33.1%, 114/331........... 36.6%, 56/163


As you can see, Lebron's jumpshooting has been near the bottom of the league for nearly his ENTIRE CAREER - otoh, Kobe's jumpshooting was never considered among the league's worst.



You don't realize how dumb Lebron and the Heat were in 2014.. In the Finals, the Heat shot better than any other Spurs opponent (DAL, POR, OKC), yet they lost by the most.

Why is this?.. Because the Heat were so wrapped up in their efficiency strategy, that they lost sight of what wins games - POINTS - the more points you score, the better chance you have to win, irregardless of efficiency.

This was proven by the stats.. Again, the Heat shot the best, but lost by the most and had the widest differential in ORtg ever.. Otoh, the stat that ACTUALLY affected the ORtg differential was PPG:

DAL scored the most ppg vs. Spurs, and their disadvantage in ORtg was the smallest.. OKC scored the 2nd most ppg, and their disadvantage in ORtg was the 2nd smallest.. POR scored the 3rd most, and their disadvantage was the 3rd smallest... And of course, Miami, with their dumb efficiency strategy, scored the least ppg, and their disadvantage in ORtg was the most, BY FAR..



3Ball shutting down these nigguhs without mercy :applause: :applause:

[pauk]

must be why he had a 3 year stretch of making the finals and averaging 30/6/6 on 57% TS in the playoffs while winning 2 rings which makes up 30%+ of his total career games in the playoffs.


so as usual you are wrong.

TS% = FG%?

..and what i mean by hovering around those numbers (35-40%) is what it literally means, being close to it, which is like 41-45 or something.

[Smoke117]

It should tell you something 3ball...when the people agreeing with you are idiots like imnew and madsen.

[Hey Yo]

jordan's stats as 23 year old vs. championship team and #1 defense:

44 ppg on 51%



lebron's stats under same conditions at 22 years old:

22 ppg on 35%



It's easy to lead your team to the Finals every year when you only have to beat ONE THIRD the 50-win teams of Kobe and MJ to get there.

But the INSTANT Lebron faces a championship-caliber team (which is never until the Finals) he gets destroyed, hence 2/6.

Otoh, 23-year old MJ had to face championship-level teams in the first round - but instead of averaging 22 ppg on 35% like Lebron did, he averaged 44 ppg on 51%.
Jordan has nothing to do with what I asked.

I said:


You forgot Odom who avg. 12-9-4 in the first round...18-11-2 in the second round (with Fisher also adding 14-2-2) and 13-9-3 in the WCF.

What's the stats of the other 22yr old's who led their team to the Finals?

What's the stats of all the others who were playing and leading their team to their 4th straight Finals, while appearing in their 5th straight, while leading both teams in PPG, TRB and assists, while getting 4 Finals MVP votes on the losing team...while having no other all-stars, just postseason virgins for the series?

[imnew09]

What's the stats of all the others who were playing and leading their team to their 4th straight Finals, while appearing in their 5th straight, while leading both teams in PPG, TRB and assists, while getting 4 Finals MVP votes on the losing team...while having no other all-stars, just postseason virgins for the series?:


Nigguh you act like Lebron won and sh**. Fact is he lost and shot 29% outside of 5 feet.

2 for 6 in the Finals is straight up pathetic, no excuses.

[HOoopCityJones]

Kobe @ 30 years old in the playoffs = 30ppg on 23 FGA for 46% FG and 56% TS


Lebron @ 30 in the playoffs = 30ppg on 27 FGA for 42% FGA and 49% TS


Lebron without the big 3 in the playoffs = 54% TS while playing his entire career in the no hand checking era

Kobe for his entire career = 54% TS in the playoffs which includes 98-04 of hand check era basketball where scoring efficiency was way lower than it is today around the league.

Kobe w/o hand-checking in the playoffs from 06-10 =

59%, 56%, 58%, 56% 57%


Kobe 08: 30ppg on 58% TS

Kobe 09: 30ppg on 56% TS

Kobe 10: 30 ppg on 57% TS

that is elite/all time great dominance of scoring and efficiency, Kobe was putting up 30ppg in the playoffs during championship runs with the same level of efficiency as "MDE" Shaq

00 Shaq = 31ppg on 56% TS


take away Bosh and Wade and Lebron hasn't proved that he can score big points on elite efficiency through a championship run (or finals appearance)

Kobe proved he could score big points on elite efficiency without Shaq 3 straight years in a row through a championship run (or finals appearance)


this notion that prime Kobe wasn't tremendously efficient is nonsense, the list of players who have won a title while averaging 30ppg on 57% TS is extremely short and includes players like Lebron, Jordan and Shaq- all of which are considered to be extremely efficient players

Lebron has done this once, Shaq never did 30 ppg on 57% TS during a finals run with the Lakers (he got 56% TS so for this argument i'll give it to him) and Jordan did it twice... Kobe has done this twice


Holy Shit.

[Magic 32]

31% FG, 21% from 3's vs Jazz (1st round) 1998 (he was 20-21, no excuse, its an age where Lebron took the worst team in NBA Finals history to the NBA Finals)


He was 19 you f*cking moron.



36% FG, 20% from 3's vs Pacers (Finals) 2000


Jalen Rose. Moving on.



35% FG vs Blazers (1st round) 2002


3 game series

Had a horrible game (game 2).

Dominated the other two.



38% FG, 17% from 3's vs Pistons (Finals) 2004
38% FG, 21% from 3's vs Rockets (1st round) 2004
41% FG, 26% from 3's vs Wolves (WCF) 2004
Infact that entire playoffs 2004 run (22 games) he shot 41% FG, 24 from 3.


I wonder if something was wrong in 2004.

Beats me.



40% FG vs Celtics (Finals) 2008


41%

Bad series. So you got one right. Congrats



40% FG vs Thunder (1st round) 2010


Terrible knee problems. Had his knee drained.

48% shooting in the rest of the series (last 3 games)



40% FG, 31% from 3's vs Celtics (Finals) 2010


The most brutal defensive game in recent history made the entire series look bad.

43.2% before G7



42% FG vs Thunder (WCSF) 2012


Still waiting for your point.


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[Dresta]

And 6 TOs/ game. Because he's LeBron, the media forgets his overall play in that series and focuses on his Game 7 duel with Pierce. If he shot better than 2/18 in Game 1, the Cavs win in 6 (5/18 would have done it).

So the Cavs would have been in the ECFs against a worse Pistons squad than they spanked the year before with a worse team. In the Finals, they would have met the Lakers, who they swept that regular season. LeBron takes those Cavs to a title, and people would have put him near GOAT contention with only one ring.

James has had some immaculate playoff performances, but his record is mixed. He has four very high profile failures: Spurs '07 (he wasn't gonna win, but come on, don't go 36% FGs and 6 TOs again and get swept), '08 Celtics, '10 Celtics when he quit on the team, and of course, the infamous '11 Finals.yup, and the funny thing is that most people give him a pass for at least the first two (sometimes the first 3, and when it comes to his mentally disturbed followers: all 4), while at the same time making the argument he is held to 'higher standards' than anyone else.

[3ball]

yup, and the funny thing is that most people give him a pass for at least the first two (sometimes the first 3, and when it comes to his mentally disturbed followers: all 4), while at the same time making the argument he is held to 'higher standards' than anyone else.
How was the 2007 Finals NOT winnable?

Game 1 was an 8-point game in fourth quarter despite 5-15 and 10 points from Lebron... TEN POINTS!!.. That's all he had!!!... That's definitely a winnable game.

Games 3 and 4 were one-possession nail-biters despite 24 pts on 39% shooting, and 25 points on 33% shooting from Lebron... DEFINITELY WINNABLE GAMES

Clearly, if Lebron shot 50% (just like Kobe, Melo and Bonzi shot against that same Spurs team in playoffs), the Cavs EASILY WIN... What I am missing - he could've won that series