Curry is a better shooter then Jordan ever was

[AirBonner]

Discuss

[deja vu]

No shit, Sherlock.

[SuperPippen]

lmao what a revelation.

That's some GOAT level insight you got there, bud.

[SouBeachTalents]

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[Brujesino]

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[Naero]

As obvious as this is, don't underestimate the reactors; 3ball will go on a WoT-pasting tirade to explain that Micahel Jordan is a better two-point jump-shooter than Stephen Curry.

Seriously, to any hyper-defensive Jordan fans: there's no need to feel slighted. It's already consensual that Curry is the GOAT shooter, but one facet of domination doesn't make him a better all-around player than Jordan was.

[AirBonner]

As obvious as this is, don't underestimate the reactors; 3ball will go on a WoT-pasting tirade to explain that Micahel Jordan is a better two-point jump-shooter than Stephen Curry.

Seriously, to any hyper-defensive Jordan fans: there's no need to feel slighted. It's already consensual that Curry is the GOAT shooter, but one facet of domination doesn't make him a better all-around player than Jordan was.
This. I want to here what 3ball has to say. Its good for discussion. Obviously hes a more complete player then Curry.

[Jacks3]

He's better offensively than any version of Jordan or anybody else in history.

[TaLvsCuaL]

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[plowking]

He's better offensively than any version of Jordan or anybody else in history.

He has been amazing this season. Hopefully he can keep it up.

His defense is also extremely underrated. Deserves all-defensive selection this season.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

He's better offensively than any version of Jordan or anybody else in history.

Don't know about that, but if Curry plays this well in the postseason you can definitely argue he's that caliber...offensively.

[Angel Face]

From beyond the arc he is, Jordan is a better shooter mid - close range.

[tmacattack33]

Did somebody seriously somehow find this site, and then signed up for an account, but he is such a casual fan that he thinks MJ is GOAT shooter?

[tmacattack33]

Don't know about that, but if Curry plays this well in the postseason you can definitely argue he's that caliber...offensively.

Why not? His shooting efficiency right now is shitting on MJ.

And he is also a good to great passer. Whereas MJ was just an above average to good passer.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Why not? His shooting efficiency right now is shitting on MJ.

And he is also a good to great passer. Whereas MJ was just an above average to good passer.

Because if you take away Curry's shot, Jordan can score/create and beat you in more ways overall (MJ was a great passer by the way)

Dude won't be shooting this efficient in the playoffs, but it'll be fun to watch him try.

[Jacks3]

Don't know about that, but if Curry plays this well in the postseason you can definitely argue he's that caliber...offensively.

Dude is putting up 30/7/5/2+ on 68% TS, which is just mind-boggling. His offensive +/- numbers are the best in recorded history.

He's anchoring a GOAT level offense on a team filled with a bunch of defensive-minded rolepayers/defenders. Take Curry off that team and they'd be a below-average offense. His impact on the game is otherworldly.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Dude is putting up 30/7/5/2+ on 68% TS, which is just mind-boggling. His offensive +/- numbers are the best in recorded history.

He's anchoring a GOAT level offense on a team filled with a bunch of defensive-minded rolepayers/defenders. Take Curry off that team and they'd be a below-average offense. His impact on the game is otherworldly.

I won't argue with any of that. Not throwing shade on the great season Curry has had either, I'm just big on postseason play.

[Collie]

As an MJ fan, can't dispute this. Though MJ > Curry from 18 feet in.

[4 Inches]

OP sounding like magic Johnson

[Straight_Ballin]

That would be something seeing the GOAT be overtaken by Curry.

What a time to have lived!

To see Magic pass the torch to Jordan, then from Jordan to Kobe, and Kobe to Curry PLUS Lebron's miserable decision/collusion failure in the middle of it all?!? It would be like icing on the cake if Curry can pull off 6/6 with 5 FMVP!

We will have to see what everything looks like after Curry's 6th final.

He won't be 2/6, I can tell you that much.

[ClipperRevival]

He's better offensively than any version of Jordan or anybody else in history.

:oldlol:

Like winning 10 scoring titles in 11 eligible seasons as a Bull? And the only season he didn't win it was his rookie year when he averaged 28.2 ppg and set the league on fire? Like that?

[1987_Lakers]

I love these threads, you know Curry is obviously the better shooter, but you also know there will be an MJ stan making a comment like "Yes, but MJ was a better mid-range shooter", which isn't true just to save face.

Curry is shooting 49% from mid-range this year, I doubt MJ ever had a season like that.

[oh the horror]

He's better offensively than any version of Jordan or anybody else in history.



Calm down turbo. Let the guy have multiple seasons and playoff performances like this before you go off the deep end.

[tmacattack33]

:oldlol:

Like winning 10 scoring titles in 11 eligible seasons as a Bull? And the only season he didn't win it was his rookie year when he averaged 28.2 ppg and set the league on fire? Like that?

He said "version of Jordan"...implying that he's talking about the level of play at any one moment in time. Which has nothing to do with longevity and 10 scoring titles.

Curry bloomed a little late and became a top 5 player at age 26, and the best player in the league at 27. And he's turning 28 in 2 months. So, he likely won't match MJ's longevity.

But I think he can beat his peak this year.

[ClipperRevival]

People don't realize how efficient MJ was as a wing scorer. In a 5 year stretch (1988 - 1992), he shot .531% while taking 23.1 shots per game and scored 32.5 ppg. It's really spectatcular for any wing scorer to shoot close to .500% but .531% over 5 years while leading the league in scoring AND PER all of those 5 years is the type of stuff only the GOAT does.

[Naero]

:oldlol:

Like winning 10 scoring titles in 11 eligible seasons as a Bull? And the only season he didn't win it was his rookie year when he averaged 28.2 ppg and set the league on fire? Like that?

This. :oldlol:

Stephen Curry may have a season

[Jacks3]

I was talking about peak guys. I can't see Curry surpassing Jordan in terms of career value, but for a single season? Yeah, he's definitely up there.

[ClipperRevival]

He said "version of Jordan"...implying that he's talking about the level of play at any one moment in time. Which has nothing to do with longevity and 10 scoring titles.

Curry bloomed a little late and became a top 5 player at age 26, and the best player in the league at 27. And he's turning 28 in 2 months. So, he likely won't match MJ's longevity.

But I think he can beat his peak this year.

Well, considering that MJs finals average over 6 finals is 33.6 ppg and his playoff average is 33.4 over 179 games, I would say MJ has been playing at GOAT level his entire career. Do you know who is the all time leader in career PER for both regular season and playoffs? Yup, MJ.

[1987_Lakers]

People don't realize how efficient MJ was as a wing scorer. In a 5 year stretch (1988 - 1992), he shot .531% while taking 23.1 shots per game and scored 32.5 ppg. It's really spectatcular for any wing scorer to shoot close to .500% but .531% over 5 years while leading the league in scoring AND PER all of those 5 years is the type of stuff only the GOAT does.

In all fairness alot of guards were shooting at a high percentage at the time, Clyde Drexler for example shot 50% from '87-'90.

In today's league it's pretty damn rare for a guard to shoot 50%.

2016 league average FG%: 44.7
1990 league average FG%: 47.6

MJ was still pretty damn efficient though.

[Achilleas]

In all fairness alot of guards were shooting at a high percentage at the time, Clyde Drexler for example shot 50% from '87-'90.

In today's league it's pretty damn rare for a guard to shoot 50%.

2016 league average FG%: 44.7
1990 league average FG%: 47.6

MJ was still pretty damn efficient though.

you forgot in 90s they didn't shoot many 3s
you must show the 2points only fg

[scandisk_]

Aside from 3ball, this isn't news.

[OldSchoolBBall]

From 22 feet and out, yes. From inside 22 I don't agree.

[OldSchoolBBall]

I love these threads, you know Curry is obviously the better shooter, but you also know there will be an MJ stan making a comment like "Yes, but MJ was a better mid-range shooter", which isn't true just to save face.

Curry is shooting 49% from mid-range this year, I doubt MJ ever had a season like that.

Jordan had seasons shooting 47-50% from midrange on WAY more volume than Curry.

[ClipperRevival]

In all fairness alot of guards were shooting at a high percentage at the time, Clyde Drexler for example shot 50% from '87-'90.

In today's league it's pretty damn rare for a guard to shoot 50%.

2016 league average FG%: 44.7
1990 league average FG%: 47.6

MJ was still pretty damn efficient though.

Drexler is a GOAT SG and his peak was .500 over a 4 year stretch. But he didn't shoot MJs volume at 19.5 per while MJ put up 23.1 and making a whooping 31% better and leading the league in scoring all those 5 years.

And you can't compare league averages. They shoot the 3 at all time high levels which will naturally lower overall pct.

[3ball]

As an MJ fan, can't dispute this. Though MJ > Curry from 18 feet in.
Exactly - the stats prove it very clearly.

MJ shot much better from midrange on literally 5 times the volume - he relied on his goat midrange for most of his scoring, just like Curry relies on his goat 3-point shooting for most of his scoring.

[Young X]

I love these threads, you know Curry is obviously the better shooter, but you also know there will be an MJ stan making a comment like "Yes, but MJ was a better mid-range shooter", which isn't true just to save face.

Curry is shooting 49% from mid-range this year, I doubt MJ ever had a season like that.Jordan shot 49% from midrange in '97 and he did it on 1000+ attempts.

But yeah, as an overall shooter Curry is obviously on another level. Clearly.

It is true that he's currently playing at a GOAT-type level offensively, but how about we wait to see how he does in the playoffs before we say he's the best offensive player ever?

[plowking]

Jordan had seasons shooting 47-50% from midrange on WAY more volume than Curry.

You have data from one season...

The season before that 49% he put up, he was at 43%. You have no other evidence to suggest that either is the constant, or one is an outlier compared to the other.

More likely than not he shot somewhere in between that. Which would put him in the same league as Carmelo from the midrange, at about 45-46%.

[OldSchoolBBall]

You have data from one season...

The season before that 49% he put up, he was at 43%. You have no other evidence to suggest that either is the constant, or one is an outlier compared to the other.

More likely than not he shot somewhere in between that. Which would put him in the same league as Carmelo from the midrange, at about 45-46%.

Err, no. He was at 43% in 1998 (I think) because he had a torn ligament and cracked knuckle on the index finger of his shooting hand. This is why he started the season shooting 40% FG/75% FT the first 15 games but 47% FG/83% FT the rest of the way after he adjusted his form.

We have the official data from 1997 which puts him at 49% on an ENORMOUS volume of shots (like 2-3 times as many as the folks he's being compared to), and also Dipper13's data from '90-'93, which has him at 50+% from midrange. 1998 is the outlier due to injury. When the NBA releases data from 1996 and 1993 (hopefully) you'll see.

[Sarcastic]

Curry also plays in a softer era, especially for perimeter players, so his stats are inflated. With that said, he's obviously the better long distance shooter. Jordan is still the superior scorer. Curry attacking the rim is no where near Jordan's level.

[Heavincent]

Curry also plays in a softer era, especially for perimeter players, so his stats are inflated. With that said, he's obviously the better long distance shooter. Jordan is still the superior scorer. Curry attacking the rim is no where near Jordan's level.

Curry is one of the best finishers in the league. Not as good as Jordan, but lets not act like Curry isn't a great finisher in his own right.

And no, his stats aren't inflated at all.

[plowking]

Err, no. He was at 43% in 1998 (I think) because he had a torn ligament and cracked knuckle on the index finger of his shooting hand. This is why he started the season shooting 40% FG/75% FT the first 15 games but 47% FG/83% FT the rest of the way after he adjusted his form.

We have the official data from 1997 which puts him at 49% on an ENORMOUS volume of shots (like 2-3 times as many as the folks he's being compared to), and also Dipper13's data from '90-'93, which has him at 50+% from midrange. 1998 is the outlier due to injury. When the NBA releases data from 1996 and 1993 (hopefully) you'll see.

Do you know when this is coming?

[ClipperRevival]

Err, no. He was at 43% in 1998 (I think) because he had a torn ligament and cracked knuckle on the index finger of his shooting hand. This is why he started the season shooting 40% FG/75% FT the first 15 games but 47% FG/83% FT the rest of the way after he adjusted his form.

We have the official data from 1997 which puts him at 49% on an ENORMOUS volume of shots (like 2-3 times as many as the folks he's being compared to), and also Dipper13's data from '90-'93, which has him at 50+% from midrange. 1998 is the outlier due to injury. When the NBA releases data from 1996 and 1993 (hopefully) you'll see.

MJ shot .535% on 24.4 shot attempts per game and scored 35.0 ppg along with a career best 31.7 PER in 1988. One of the GOAT seasons ever. MVP, DPOY and led the league in steals at 3.2. Pretty much MJ at his physical peak.

[3ball]

Do you know when this is coming?
OMG - if that ever happens - you're DONE

(and you know it)

you must be shitting your pants - all my arguments will be that much stronger

i've been ethering everyone with jordan's 34 and 35-year old data

[plowking]

OMG - if that ever happens - you're DONE

(and you know it)

you must be shitting your pants - all my arguments will be that much stronger

i've been ethering everyone with jordan's 34 and 35-year old data

No, I really am not shitting my pants.

On the other hand, you seem to be getting an erection for stats, once again.

I don't read any of your copy and paste jobs, so I don't particularly care what you're saying.

[3ball]

No, I really am not shitting my pants.

On the other hand, you seem to be getting an erection for stats, once again.

I don't read any of your copy and paste jobs, so I don't particularly care what you're saying.
i smell insecurity.. :roll:

if you really felt that way, you wouldn't even bother respond, let alone feel the need to say you weren't shitting your pants... :yaohappy: :hammertime:

just think - MJ scored 50% of his team's 4th quarter points while on the floor in 1998 playoffs and Finals as a 35 year old man.. so imagine what he did in his prime, or even 1996 when Pippen was averaging 16.9 ppg on 39% for entire playoffs, including WOAT 15 ppg on 34% in Finals..
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[plowking]

i smell insecurity.. :roll:

if you really felt that way, you wouldn't even bother respond, let alone feel the need to say you weren't shitting your pants... :yaohappy: :hammertime:



Great logic.

Same deluded logic that has you think you're winning arguments. :oldlol:

[3ball]

Great logic.

Same deluded logic that has you think you're winning arguments. :oldlol:
You felt the need to explain you weren't shitting your pants

#insecurity



just think - MJ scored 50% of his team's 4th quarter points while on the floor in 1998 playoffs and Finals as a 35 year old man.. so imagine what he did in his prime, or even 1996 when Pippen was averaging 16.9 ppg on 39% for entire playoffs, including WOAT 15 ppg on 34% in Finals..

[DCL]

don't care about the nitpicky stats.

just going by unscientific eye-test alone... curry is a better distance shooter than anybody ever was.

he's just making absurd buckets that should not be made nor even attempted.

[Straight_Ballin]

MJ shot .535% on 24.4 shot attempts per game and scored 35.0 ppg along with a career best 31.7 PER in 1988. One of the GOAT seasons ever. MVP, DPOY and led the league in steals at 3.2. Pretty much MJ at his physical peak.

Can you imagine if MJ expended only as much energy as Curry does on the defensive end and conserved that extra energy to add to his offense instead like Curry does? The difference between the volume and fg% between the two would be in even more favor of MJ than it already is.

What Curry is doing in this era is only solidifying MJ's greatness, but some homer sees Curry dominating his idol Lebron and all of a sudden Curry is a better inside jump shooter then Jordan ever was. Talk about insecurity! :sleeping

[TheBigVeto]

Discuss

LOL
What's next, Moses Malone is a better rebounder than John Stockton?

[Sarcastic]

Curry is one of the best finishers in the league. Not as good as Jordan, but lets not act like Curry isn't a great finisher in his own right.

And no, his stats aren't inflated at all.

All perimeter players have inflated stats. Do you honestly think someone like Harden is dropping 25 in the 1990s? Modern rules have made it near impossible to touch perimeter players without fouling.

Basketball statistics cannot really be compared across eras, unless you think Wilt could put up 50 in the modern era as well?

[plowking]

All perimeter players have inflated stats. Do you honestly think someone like Harden is dropping 25 in the 1990s? Modern rules have made it near impossible to touch perimeter players without fouling.

Basketball statistics cannot really be compared across eras, unless you think Wilt could put up 50 in the modern era as well?

Yep, Harden would struggle, but somehow Dale Ellis could do it.

[3ball]

Yep, Harden would struggle, but somehow Dale Ellis could do it.
Dale Ellis was not an off-the-dribble player.. He made catch-and-shoot jumpers like the one Curry made after shoving down Lebron, only mostly from midrange.

But he was exceptional at 3-pointers too - in his best season, he shot 48% on 3-pointers (2.0 for 4.1) and shot 40.3% on threes for his career.. But most of his jumpers were from midrange, which isn't Harden or Curry's strength.

Dale Ellis was also bigger/stronger than Harden... I've stood next to Harden at the DMV in Inglewood once - he ain't big or strong... But he is good at picking up ticky-tack fouls under today's creampuff rules.
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[Quickening]

Why do people use TS% or fg% when comparing curry and mj, curry is a volume 3 point shooter. His points per shot, efg% this year shits on any Mj season. He is a far better offensive player, and he spreads the floor for his teammates better

[deja vu]

He's better offensively than any version of Jordan or anybody else in history.
He's not better offensively than Jordan or any of the top 5 GOATs.

Sure, he's arguably the greatest shooter ever but his main scoring arsenal is shooting 3 pointers which he's the greatest at. That's it.

You're not counting on him to go to the lane and make difficult contested layups and jumpshots over multiple defenders. Which Jordan and Kobe has done over and over again.

Curry is not more versatile on offense than Jordan, Kareem, Wilt, Bird or even Kobe.

[plowking]

He's not better offensively than Jordan or any of the top 5 GOATs.

Sure, he's arguably the greatest shooter ever but his main scoring arsenal is shooting 3 pointers which he's the greatest at. That's it.

You're not counting on him to go to the lane and make difficult contested layups and jumpshots over multiple defenders. Which Jordan and Kobe has done over and over again.

Curry is not more versatile on offense than Jordan, Kareem, Wilt, Bird or even Kobe.

About as good a logic as 3ball uses.

This forum is f*cking garbage.

[feyki]

Probably Korver too .

[PsychoBe]

About as good a logic as 3ball uses.

This forum is f*cking garbage.

stop it.

[Asukal]

Better shooter? Sure, he's the best. Better scorer? Come back when he has 10 scoring titles and a 30.1 ppg career average. :rockon:

[La Frescobaldi]

Better shooter? Sure, he's the best. Better scorer? Come back when he has 10 scoring titles and a 30.1 ppg career average. :rockon:

he's not ever going to do that when he plays a half hour and they sit him on the bench the rest of the game due to yet another blowout

[3ball]

he's not ever going to do that when he plays a half hour and they sit him on the bench the rest of the game due to yet another blowout
Let's take pace and playing time out of the equation:

This is Curry's first season over 40.0 points per 100 possessions, or over 30.0 points per 36 minutes.

MJ has 10 seasons and 5 seasons like that, respectively.

While playing goat defense, compared to Curry's matador

[La Frescobaldi]

Let's take pace and playing time out of the equation:

This is Curry's first season over 40.0 points per 100 possessions, or over 30.0 points per 36 minutes.

MJ has 10 seasons and 5 seasons like that, respectively.

While playing goat defense, compared to Curry's matador

no. i'm not taking pace or playing time out of the equation.

curry himself causes that pace; and he sits huge minutes because they already blew out teams by 10, 20, 30 points.

[3ball]

no. i'm not taking pace or playing time out of the equation.

curry himself causes that pace; and he sits huge minutes because they already blew out teams by 10, 20, 30 points.
You must not understand what Per 100 Possession stats are - it makes the comparison apples to apples.

This is Curry's first season over 40.0 points per 100 possessions, or over 30.0 points per 36 minutes.

MJ has 10 seasons and 5 seasons like that, respectively.

While playing goat defense, compared to Curry's matador

[La Frescobaldi]

You must not understand what Per 100 Possession stats are - it makes the comparison apples to apples.

This is Curry's first season over 40.0 points per 100 possessions, or over 30.0 points per 36 minutes.

MJ has 10 seasons and 5 seasons like that, respectively.

While playing goat defense, compared to Curry's matador

i understand it just fine. it means very little when you apply context, and you know it.
the bulls played very very slow because that's what worked best for jordan and pippen. they forced the league to play their game.

curry is doing the same thing, forcing the league to play HIS game.... in far fewer minutes and so far with even better results

edit ~ not only that but you barged in on a conversation about scoring titles which can't be done with so few minutes. How much does mike pay you to shill for him anyway?

[3ball]

i understand it just fine. it means very little when you apply context, and you know it.
the bulls played very very slow because that's what worked best for jordan and pippen. they forced the league to play their game.

curry is doing the same thing, forcing the league to play HIS game.... in far fewer minutes and so far with even better results
you clearly don't understand what PER POSSESSION means.

Regardless of pace and playing time, this is Curry's first season where he's scoring as much PER POSSESSION as Jordan did for 10 years.

[La Frescobaldi]

you clearly don't understand what PER POSSESSION means.

Regardless of pace of playing time, this is Curry's first season where he's scoring on MJ's level on a PER POSSESSION basis - but MJ did it for 10 seasons.

lolololol you can't bear the fact of Curry, can you. Curry's 3s are vastly more efficient than Mike's driving 2s

[3ball]

lolololol you can't bear the fact of Curry, can you. Curry's 3s are vastly more efficient than Mike's driving 2s
You don't understand what per possession means - that much is clear.

Regardless of pace and playing time, this is Curry's first season where he's scoring as much PER POSSESSION as Jordan did for 10 years.

[3ball]

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It's harder to get off jumpers and drive against this kind of defense:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/11-13-2015/p8lMrn.gif



The defense Curry faces is like flag football by comparison - no touch, hands-off, league-mandated space between players on perimeter:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-03-2015/TgIP3N.gif



Also, hand-checking was MOST prevalent and effective during the act of driving, like the gifs below (these are fouls in today's game):


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Compare to Steph Curry driving the lane against Lebron, UNTOUCHED AND UNFETTERED - I almost feel sorry for Lebron - he isn't ALLOWED to lay a finger on Curry - he's helpless:


https://media.giphy.com/media/jTvD0KKh8KCgo/giphy.gif


NO COMPARISON

[La Frescobaldi]

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..........................................Hand-checking



It's harder to get off jumpers and drive against this kind of defense:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/11-13-2015/p8lMrn.gif



The defense Curry faces is like flag football by comparison - no touch, hands-off, league-mandated space between players on perimeter:


http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/12-03-2015/TgIP3N.gif



Also, hand-checking was MOST prevalent and effective during the act of driving, like the gifs below (these are fouls in today's game):


https://media.giphy.com/media/TJPk9OncuzZoQ/giphy.gif

https://media.giphy.com/media/t99KQtLZZeVS8/giphy.gif

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-02-2015/p6jsvL.gif



Compare to Steph Curry driving the lane against Lebron, UNTOUCHED AND UNFETTERED - I almost feel sorry for Lebron - he isn't ALLOWED to lay a finger on Curry - he's helpless:


https://media.giphy.com/media/jTvD0KKh8KCgo/giphy.gif


NO COMPARISON
lololololololol 3rd ball spamming desperately for his idol

it must be awful to be so constantly desperate 3rd ball

[dhsilv]

Can you imagine if MJ expended only as much energy as Curry does on the defensive end and conserved that extra energy to add to his offense instead like Curry does? The difference between the volume and fg% between the two would be in even more favor of MJ than it already is.

What Curry is doing in this era is only solidifying MJ's greatness, but some homer sees Curry dominating his idol Lebron and all of a sudden Curry is a better inside jump shooter then Jordan ever was. Talk about insecurity! :sleeping

The bulls defense lead to an awful lot of easy buckets...I'm not sure that would not be a net wash there.

[dhsilv]

All perimeter players have inflated stats. Do you honestly think someone like Harden is dropping 25 in the 1990s? Modern rules have made it near impossible to touch perimeter players without fouling.

Basketball statistics cannot really be compared across eras, unless you think Wilt could put up 50 in the modern era as well?

But stats say wilt couldn't put up 50 in the modern era....I'm not sure you're making any sense here.

[dhsilv]

He's not better offensively than Jordan or any of the top 5 GOATs.

Sure, he's arguably the greatest shooter ever but his main scoring arsenal is shooting 3 pointers which he's the greatest at. That's it.

You're not counting on him to go to the lane and make difficult contested layups and jumpshots over multiple defenders. Which Jordan and Kobe has done over and over again.

Curry is not more versatile on offense than Jordan, Kareem, Wilt, Bird or even Kobe.

He is not a more versatile scorer than those players. He is a more versatile offensive player though.

[julizaver]

Discuss

Curry having his best season so far. Even without this season I can put some money on Curry if they are to shoot in empty gym. And Curry have a case for GOAT shooter already, but let's see him in the next 3-4 seasons and wish him bein healthy.

[La Frescobaldi]

He is not a more versatile scorer than those players. He is a more versatile offensive player though.

Nah man he's not more versatile than those guys. It's one thing to talk about shooting it's another thing to talk about that

[Blue&Orange]

All perimeter players have inflated stats. Do you honestly think someone like Harden is dropping 25 in the 1990s? Modern rules have made it near impossible to touch perimeter players without fouling.

Basketball statistics cannot really be compared across eras, unless you think Wilt could put up 50 in the modern era as well?
This you just need to see the boxscores, all of them, the primary scorer is a guard. From Kemba to Isaiah Thomas, passing by Ish Smith, Lowry bla bla bla


How can someone deny this is beyond be, the equivalent is Iraq minister of science arguing the earth is flat in 2010.


I would pay good money to seed Harden play in the 90's. It would be funny.

[Asukal]

he's not ever going to do that when he plays a half hour and they sit him on the bench the rest of the game due to yet another blowout

It's not like they always have blowouts, and he does play more than 30 mpg. I don't think your argument holds much weight seeing he is going to win the scoring title this year. :confusedshrug:

[LAZERUSS]

you clearly don't understand what PER POSSESSION means.

Regardless of pace and playing time, this is Curry's first season where he's scoring as much PER POSSESSION as Jordan did for 10 years.

And again, you CLEARLY don't understand that points scored are NOT based on POSSESSIONS. They are based on FGAs and FTAs you idiot.

I took an "apples for apples" scoring comparison.

MJ averaged 30.1 ppg in his '91-92 season. He played 38.8 mpg, took 22.7 FGAs per game, and 7.4 FTAs per game.

Curry is currently averaging 30.0 ppg. He is doing so in 33.9 mpg, and on 19.6 FGAs and 5.8 FTAs per game.

BTW, I also agree with LaFrescolbaldi. Curry FORCES "pace", while MJ slowed it down. Anyone with eyes can see the HUGE difference.

[NBASTATMAN]

Can you imagine if MJ expended only as much energy as Curry does on the defensive end and conserved that extra energy to add to his offense instead like Curry does? The difference between the volume and fg% between the two would be in even more favor of MJ than it already is.

What Curry is doing in this era is only solidifying MJ's greatness, but some homer sees Curry dominating his idol Lebron and all of a sudden Curry is a better inside jump shooter then Jordan ever was. Talk about insecurity! :sleepingC


Curry is showing what true greatness is on the offensive end.. He isnt a player shooting bad percentages and statpadding... YES IM TALKING ABOUT KOBE AND BRON... He is the true next great... :bowdown:


His stats show how great a player can be.. We have not seen anything like him since the 80's and 90's...

[La Frescobaldi]

It's not like they always have blowouts, and he does play more than 30 mpg. I don't think your argument holds much weight seeing he is going to win the scoring title this year. :confusedshrug:

it is real early to be saying one way or the other about that title. but he plays mighty few minutes tbh almost like a point a minute or something crazy

[tmacattack33]

Nah man he's not more versatile than those guys. It's one thing to talk about shooting it's another thing to talk about that

Versatility in terms of scoring doesn't mean you are the better scorer.

Shaq wasn't that versatile. He was all about the post. He had no game further than 8 feet out. So what though.

[La Frescobaldi]

Versatility in terms of scoring doesn't mean you are the better scorer.

Shaq wasn't that versatile. He was all about the post. He had no game further than 8 feet out. So what though.
agreed. But that's a different subject from versatile

[Cold soul]

Well no shit Curry is GOAT shooter. I'll still take several greats in history over him offensively he does not impact the game as high as say Jordan or Shaq for example.

[AirBonner]

Well no shit Curry is GOAT shooter. I'll still take several greats in history over him offensively he does not impact the game as high as say Jordan or Shaq for example.
Bulls won 55 games without Jordan. Stop dreaming.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Of course he is.

Jordan is a better player though.

[livinglegend]

Not even close.
Jordan was a shit 3PT shooter.

[AirBonner]

Not even close.
Jordan was a shit 3PT shooter.
This. Curry's 3pt shooting is > Jordan's midrange

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Not even close.
Jordan was a shit 3PT shooter.
Not true. Jordan peaked at 42.7% from deep in 1996 and while his career 3PT% isn't spectacular I don't think it's fair to penalize him for not fully utilizing/developing a shot that wasn't used the way it is today.

[AirBonner]

Not true. Jordan peaked at 42.7% from deep in 1996 and while his career 3PT% isn't spectacular I don't think it's fair to penalize him for not fully utilizing/developing a shot that wasn't used the way it is today.
http://memecrunch.com/meme/1E4N6/deflection/image.jpg

[HoopSuperstar]

This is like saying that Larry Bird was a better shooter than M.J.
Well, let me say then that Jordan was a better dunker than S. Curry.
S. Curry can dunk can he?

[24-Inch_Chrome]

How is that a deflection? It's not true that Jordan was a "shit" 3PT shooter.

He's not an all-time great 3PT shooter but he's not shit.

[AirBonner]

How is that a deflection? It's not true that Jordan was a "shit" 3PT shooter.

He's not an all-time great 3PT shooter but he's not shit.
so if a player isn't good at something they shouldn't be penalized for it? we can call that the "Jordan rules" :roll: doesn't count y'all

[24-Inch_Chrome]

so if a player isn't good at something they shouldn't be penalized for it? we can call that the "Jordan rules" :roll: doesn't count y'all
They shouldn't be penalized to the point of being called shit when they weren't shit.

[La Frescobaldi]

And again, you CLEARLY don't understand that points scored are NOT based on POSSESSIONS. They are based on FGAs and FTAs you idiot.

I took an "apples for apples" scoring comparison.

MJ averaged 30.1 ppg in his '91-92 season. He played 38.8 mpg, took 22.7 FGAs per game, and 7.4 FTAs per game.

Curry is currently averaging 30.0 ppg. He is doing so in 33.9 mpg, and on 19.6 FGAs and 5.8 FTAs per game.

BTW, I also agree with LaFrescolbaldi. Curry FORCES "pace", while MJ slowed it down. Anyone with eyes can see the HUGE difference.

it's kinda weird, ain't it, Laz? i guess you made the facts clear though because he seems to have gone silent after that. glad too

[dhsilv]

Nah man he's not more versatile than those guys. It's one thing to talk about shooting it's another thing to talk about that

Kobe can score 100 times more ways than Curry. He is not remotely better offensively peak to peak. Curry can be used in a LOT more ways to create offense.