Lebron Still a Top 3 Player ????

[aboss4real24]

Hasn't been the same 4 a while

He's declining

Jumpshot and athleticsism is getting worst and worst

Lower stamina defense is avg , good when he turns it up

Lower motor


I dont think he's even a top 3 player

[plowking]

Probably 3rd best after Curry and Durant.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

no way

KD
Westbrook
Kawhi
Draymond
Steph

[Dr Hawk]

I'm wondering if Kawhi is better than him already. Kawhi can shot on good %'s from everywhere and plays DPOY level defense, he has a big impact.

Only thing he is not better at is passing

[plowking]

no way

KD
Westbrook
Kawhi
Draymond
Steph

That list is so bad.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

That list is so bad.
U prolly have Wiggins and Wade in ur top 10:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[sd3035]

Probably 3rd best after Curry and Durant.


I'd have to agree with this.

Harden is too much of a loser and Kawhi doesn't score enough. An argument could be made for Westbrook though

[kells333]

no way

KD
Westbrook
Kawhi
Draymond
Steph

It's difficult to tell who the trolls are and who the idiots are nowadays. I think I'm getting old.

[FreezingTsmoove]

Hes actually the best player but it is a weak era

[Milbuck]

I would say yeah but it's really close between him, Durant, and Westbrook for 2-3. Curry is locked at 1 right now. Durant coasts a lot, he can look like MVP Durant seemingly at will but I think he's pacing himself this year for the playoffs. Westbrook is just a beast, I trust Lebron more in the playoffs but Westbrook in all likelihood could be the better player right now.

[WayOfWade]

I want to say yes, but he certainly isn't helping me to much at the moment

[plowking]

U prolly have Wiggins and Wade in ur top 10:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

You have Draymond Green, a 8/6/3 career player as your 4th best player. :oldlol:

Curry
Durant
Lebron
Westbrook
Leonard

Far better list than yours. Draymond isn't top 15. You're delusional.


I'd have to agree with this.

Harden is too much of a loser and Kawhi doesn't score enough. An argument could be made for Westbrook though


Yeah. Both Harden and Westbrook have similar games, but just do everything worse than Bron. Both are that "jack of all trade" type players but far less efficient.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

You have Draymond Green, a 8/6/3 career player as your 4th best player. :oldlol:

Curry
Durant
Lebron
Westbrook
Leonard

Far better list than yours. Draymond isn't top 15. You're delusional.



Yeah. Both Harden and Westbrook have similar games, but just do everything worse than Bron. Both are that "jack of all trade" type players but far less efficient.

So my list is bad when 80% of ur list is the same:oldlol: :oldlol:

Draymond is arguably the best defender in the league, a great ballhandler/passer, great rebounder and good shooter. He can run a break himself, stretch the floor and is about the most versatile player the league has seen since prime KG.

I dont know who youre using career averages. We're talking about this season only i think. If u dont think Draymond is easily top 15 u need to learn to watch basketball better. His impact far transcends the boxscore and even then dude puts up trip dubs easy work

[jimmy77x]

no way

KD
Westbrook
Kawhi
Draymond
Steph

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[warriorfan]

So my list is bad when 80% of ur list is the same:oldlol: :oldlol:

Draymond is arguably the best defender in the league, a great ballhandler/passer, great rebounder and good shooter. He can run a break himself, stretch the floor and is about the most versatile player the league has seen since prime KG.

I dont know who youre using career averages. We're talking about this season only i think. If u dont think Draymond is easily top 15 u need to learn to watch basketball better. His impact far transcends the boxscore and even then dude puts up trip dubs easy work

Draymond is not a good shooter

Draymond is not a great rebounder

Draymond green DOES NOT stretch the floor

Watch any golden state game especially in the finals last year how they guard Draymond. Draymond is dared to take the open 3 point shot every single time while his man sags near the free throw line. This is how every team plays Draymond Green. No one even closes out on him.

you dont even watch golden state games you are just trolling

shut the **** up

:coleman:

[BigMacAttack]

By next season he wont even be top 3 at his position.

[pauk]

He is the best player playing in a not good enough team, story of his career.

[MellowYellow]

Draymond is not a good shooter

Draymond is not a great rebounder

Draymond green DOES NOT stretch the floor

Watch any golden state game especially in the finals last year how they guard Draymond. Draymond is dared to take the open 3 point shot every single time while his man sags near the free throw line. This is how every team plays Draymond Green. No one even closes out on him.

you dont even watch golden state games you are just trolling

shut the **** up

:coleman:

15/9.5/7.4 leads league in triple doubles 42% from 3 on over 3 attempts per game.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

He is the best player playing in a not good enough team, story of his career.

Hasnt ur criteria for ranking players always heavily depended on advanced stats like PER and WS/48?

Did u change ur criteria now that Bran isnt leading those anymore?:lol :lol :lol

[pauk]

These Kawhi/Draymond comparisons im not sure how serious some are about (to much trolling going on here), Lebron is better than either of them in any way except for the defense part.... and Curry, he is just a shooter/scorer and unfortunately that is not always ON... difference is those guys play with much better supporting casts, that is the only reason they win... switch places and see how that goes, Kawhi or Draymond or Curry leading the Cavs.... and Lebron playing with GSW or Spurs.... see how that goes...

The only guy who has the individual talent i can see surpassing Lebron is Durant, if he didnt get injured that would have officially happened this year.

[TheMarkMadsen]

He is the best player playing in a not good enough team, story of his career.


:roll: :roll:


HE NEEDS MOARRRR

2 all stars by his side for 6 straight years of his prime just isn't enough

[pauk]

Hasnt ur criteria for ranking players always heavily depended on advanced stats like PER and WS/48?

Never, the only time i spoke of PER is to showcase stats... and those were shown only for purpose to showcase who has best stats, literally, end of story... doesnt mean you are the best....

I think Lebron has decreased in every single way and i see no reason why he wont keep doing that, dude is done by his standards, but not by others... he still is good enough, enough to be still called the best overall/allround talent in the league, sorry.

[pauk]

:roll: :roll:


HE NEEDS MOARRRR

2 all stars by his side for 6 straight years of his prime just isn't enough

It is enough to win over this Warriors team or even the Spurs? You saw those 2 stars last night?

I need an answer on this quickly.... wanna know if i can start laughing or not...

The thing is, it should be enough on paper, meaning IF they play up to their standards... Love putting up 27/15 and Kyrie ~25.... but they are not... especially not Love, infact he has not even been the 3rd or maybe even 4th best player for Cavs atm...

[imnew09]

Top 3 at folding under big pressure

1. Griffn
2. CP3
3. Lebeta

[BigMacAttack]

These Kawhi/Draymond comparisons im not sure how serious some are about (to much trolling going on here), Lebron is better than either of them in any way except for the defense part.... and Curry, he is just a shooter/scorer and unfortunately that is not always ON... difference is those guys play with much better supporting casts, that is the only reason they win... switch places and see how that goes, Kawhi or Draymond or Curry leading the Cavs.... and Lebron playing with GSW or Spurs.... see how that goes...

The only guy who has the individual talent i can see surpassing Lebron is Durant, if he didnt get injured that would have officially happened this year.

:lol

Keep clinging onto that one buddy.

If Lebron was swapped with Kawhi or Curry both GSW and the Spurs would get worse. You are kidding yourself, Lebron would not know what to do with himself in a ball movement oriented offense, SAS and GSW would both have to change the system to accommodate "the choosen one" . Pop would flat out make Lebron cry the first time LeGm started asking for more help and throwing teammates under the bus or trying to make trades. Fvck outta here.

[TheMarkMadsen]

It is enough to win over this Warriors team or even the Spurs? You saw those 2 stars last night?

I need an answer on this quickly.... wanna know if i can start laughing or not...

The thing is, it should be enough on paper, meaning IF they play up to their standards... Love putting up 27/15 and Kyrie ~25....


how are they supposed to "play up to their standards" when one guy iso's 80% of the time that he gets the ball..

iso joe isn't making anybody better by doing that..


For you and the rest of his stans on ISH nothing he has beside him will ever be enough. If Lebron had Klay and Draymond that wouldn't be enough. Curry makes playing offense for his teammates SO MUCH easier than Lebron does. You really think Draymond would have the freedom average 7 assist per game with Lebron beside him? Curry creates more opportunities for his teammates than Lebron does, Curry opens up the floor and allows players to be in positions where they can thrive.

this Lebron just can't do what Curry can do on the court, and this Lebron hasn't proven that he can make his teammates better in any sort of the same capacity as Steph Curry- the hands down best player in the NBA

Iso joe and his ugly style of basketball can gladly fade away as teams like the Spurs and Warriors show how to win while playing team ball and Curry shows how to win while playing at an ATG level while seamlessly balancing offensive selfishness and unselfishness at a level that very few in the history of the league have ever done.

Until Lebron, Kyrie and Love decide to run an actual offense they aren't going to get anything done.

[pauk]

:lol

Keep clinging onto that one buddy.

I see it as i see it...

Kawhi is an average player with DPOY level defense, who due to playing with an insane supporting cast / coaching etc. gets way to much credit for THEIR success....
When he plays bad, they still win....
When he plays to his standards, they guaranteed win...
When he plays above his standards, its an epic blowout...

Draymond is a role player with DPOY level defense who flourishes as a great complimentary player due to playing with what is the sickest team i ever seen since 90s Bulls that is Warriors....
When he plays bad, they still win....
When he plays to his standards, they guaranteed win...
When he plays above his standards, its an epic blowout...

Curry is a GOAT pure shooter with great ballhandling who compliments the same team above very well....
When he plays bad, they still win....
When he plays to his standards, they guaranteed win...
When he plays above his standards, its an epic blowout...

Meanwhile Lebron is the greatest overall/allround talent in the league, the most impactful player and far more valuable to his team than any of those above are, he needs to do ALOOOOOT more individually in order to win and even more than that if he wants to win it in the same fashion as them .... who just so happens to play with scrubs and 2 players who just cant seem to gel, not Love at least....
When he plays bad, they get blown out....
When he plays to his standards, they win, sometimes lose...
When he plays above his standards, they win, sometimes still lose...

Now you can sit there and keep acting like Curry/Draymond/Kawhi win because they are just that good talents.... better than Lebron..... or just accept that Lebron doesnt have anywhere close to the luxury of those casts they have.... and if he had it would have been a guaranteed championship run every season until he is just way to damn old (and even then he might win a la Duncan)....

[BigMacAttack]

We have been hearing the same excuses for his entire career! What absolute horseshit to still be blaming his cast. Curry is a flatout better player right now, you are in extreme denial if you don't believe that. I cant believe you are here talking about his supporting cast like its 2010, ****ing pathetic.

[Heavincent]

He is the best player playing in a not good enough team, story of his career.

:biggums:

[BigMacAttack]

:biggums:

Yeah man, Lebron needs 5 all stars and a couple all defensive team players on his squad to win nowadays :facepalm.

[Heavincent]

I see it as i see it...

Kawhi is an average player with DPOY level defense, who due to playing with an insane supporting cast / coaching etc. gets way to much credit for THEIR success....
When he plays bad, they still win....
When he plays to his standards, they guaranteed win...
When he plays above his standards, its an epic blowout...

Draymond is a role player with DPOY level defense who flourishes as a great complimentary player due to playing with what is the sickest team i ever seen since 90s Bulls that is Warriors....
When he plays bad, they still win....
When he plays to his standards, they guaranteed win...
When he plays above his standards, its an epic blowout...

Curry is a GOAT pure shooter with great ballhandling who compliments the same team above very well....
When he plays bad, they still win....
When he plays to his standards, they guaranteed win...
When he plays above his standards, its an epic blowout...

Meanwhile Lebron is the greatest overall/allround talent in the league, the most impactful player and far more valuable to his team than any of those above are, he needs to do ALOOOOOT more individually in order to win and even more than that if he wants to win it in the same fashion as them .... who just so happens to play with scrubs and 2 players who just cant seem to gel, not Love at least....
When he plays bad, they get blown out....
When he plays to his standards, they win, sometimes lose...
When he plays above his standards, they win, sometimes still lose...

Now you can sit there and keep acting like Curry/Draymond/Kawhi win because they are just that good talents.... better than Lebron..... or just accept that Lebron doesnt have anywhere close to the luxury of those casts they have.... and if he had it would have been a guaranteed championship run every season until he is just way to damn old (and even then he might win a la Duncan)....

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/funnymunny77/Curry_gets_payback_on_LeBron_zpsq1fhqrag.gif

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/funnymunny77/Curry_gets_payback_on_LeBron_zpsq1fhqrag.gif

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[plowking]

pauk is f*cking pathetic. Still the worst poster on this forum.

Curry is just a shooter/scorer? lol... no. Great passer, best ball handler, best shooter, best scorer, in the whole league. What more does he need to do?

They've won plenty of games with Bron playing like shit anyway.

Curry is better. Scores more on better efficiency, averages more assists, more points, shoots better, is harder to stop scoring, etc.

It isn't close anymore. It is clear cut as to who is better. Last season he was still probably the better player. Not anymore.

[stalkerforlife]

He is the best player playing in a not good enough team, story of his career.

:roll:

[Milbuck]

At this point any non-troll who seriously believes Lebron is better than Curry is straight up delusional. I won't say "it's not even close", but I think it's pretty clear-cut.

[Bankaii]

how are they supposed to "play up to their standards" when one guy iso's 80% of the time that he gets the ball..

iso joe isn't making anybody better by doing that..


For you and the rest of his stans on ISH nothing he has beside him will ever be enough. If Lebron had Klay and Draymond that wouldn't be enough. Curry makes playing offense for his teammates SO MUCH easier than Lebron does. You really think Draymond would have the freedom average 7 assist per game with Lebron beside him? Curry creates more opportunities for his teammates than Lebron does, Curry opens up the floor and allows players to be in positions where they can thrive.

this Lebron just can't do what Curry can do on the court, and this Lebron hasn't proven that he can make his teammates better in any sort of the same capacity as Steph Curry- the hands down best player in the NBA

Iso joe and his ugly style of basketball can gladly fade away as teams like the Spurs and Warriors show how to win while playing team ball and Curry shows how to win while playing at an ATG level while seamlessly balancing offensive selfishness and unselfishness at a level that very few in the history of the league have ever done.

Until Lebron, Kyrie and Love decide to run an actual offense they aren't going to get anything done.
The sad part is that you seriously believe that this is true.

[Bankaii]

At this point any non-troll who seriously believes Lebron is better than Curry is straight up delusional. I won't say "it's not even close", but I think it's pretty clear-cut.
If Lebron and Curry each had 76ers-esque teams and coaching, who leads their teams to the better record and what are their respective stats?

[Milbuck]

If Lebron and Curry each had 76ers-esque teams and coaching, who leads their teams to the better record and what are their respective stats?
They both miss the playoffs but Curry puts up better stats. Like he is now.

[SwishSquared]

They both miss the playoffs but Curry puts up better stats. Like he is now.Could potentially make the playoffs in the East. But I agree with the overall premise.

[Asukal]

The sad part is that you seriously believe that this is true.

The sad part is you're an idiot. :hammerhead:

[kennethgriffin]

the top 3 players in the nba are


#1 Stephen Curry
#2 Kawhi Leonard
#3 Kevin Durant



can a lebron fan even argue this?

[Bankaii]

They both miss the playoffs but Curry puts up better stats. Like he is now.
I have to disagree.

Curry is without a doubt the best offensive player in the league but he owes a lot of his effeciency to GS system and stacked team.

If he's the only offensive weapon his stats would suffer. And as far as impact goes Lebron and Durant hold higher value.

[Bankaii]

The sad part is you're an idiot. :hammerhead:
You've dedicated your entire account to Lebron.

Make an intelligent post first before coming after me, no life.

[Hopper15]

I have to disagree.

Curry is without a doubt the best offensive player in the league but he owes a lot of his effeciency to GS system and stacked team.

If he's the only offensive weapon his stats would suffer. And as far as impact goes Lebron and Durant hold higher value.

The system would suck ass without Curry.

[Bankaii]

The system would suck ass without Curry.
That's has been disproven multiple times now.

Curry isn't even their best playmaker anymore.

The system wouldn't be as effective, and scoring would be difficult, but say it would "suck ass" is just dumb.

[MellowYellow]

I have to disagree.

Curry is without a doubt the best offensive player in the league but he owes a lot of his effeciency to GS system and stacked team.

If he's the only offensive weapon his stats would suffer. And as far as impact goes Lebron and Durant hold higher value.

Imagine Lebron as the only offensive option, it would be like the finals 30pts on 39%. Do you not watch the warriors? Curry isolates 10x as much as lebron and can get his shot any time any where.

[BlazerRed]

http://i.imgur.com/SJIE13T.jpg

[Bankaii]

Imagine Lebron as the only offensive option, it would be like the finals 30pts on 39%. Do you not watch the warriors? Curry isolates 10x as much as lebron and can get his shot any time any where.
You're comparing one series against one of the best defensive teams in the NBA.

Lebron has proved he can carry an average team efficiently, Curry hasn't.

And ffs please stop with the exaggerations. Curry gets the majority of his points in transition, pick and rolls, and off ball screens. He definitely doesn't have everyone clear out as often as Lebron does.

Lebron has a 21.5% frequency is ISO while Curry is at 9.9% (although he is more efficient obviously).

Do some homework bro.

[tpols]

Lebron needs to do ALOOOOOT more individually in order to win and even more than that if he wants to win it in the same fashion as them .... who just so happens to play with scrubs and 2 players who just cant seem to gel, not Love at least....
.

no dumbass, he just has no off ball game to properly enable his all star teammates like Curry can, and is a shit leader to boot.

[Black and White]

LeBron is still top 3. I see Pauk has started turning on his supporting cast, I'm sorry Pauk but fully healthy he has no excuses this year, Love is not being used properly, he is not a spot up shooter, he's great in the post and also an underrated passer for a big man. Have you ever pointed the finger at LeBron?

[MellowYellow]

You're comparing one series against one of the best defensive teams in the NBA.

Lebron has proved he can carry an average team efficiently, Curry hasn't.

And ffs please stop with the exaggerations. Curry gets the majority of his points in transition, pick and rolls, and off ball screens. He definitely doesn't have everyone clear out as often as Lebron does.

Lebron has a 21.5% frequency is ISO while Curry is at 9.9% (although he is more efficient obviously).

Do some homework bro.

pretty sure whatever stat that is counts bulldozing into the paint isoing, I don't.

[GoSpursGo1984]

the top 3 players in the nba are


#1 Stephen Curry
#2 Kawhi Leonard
#3 Kevin Durant



can a lebron fan even argue this?



That is a good list Lebron is probably at 4

[Sarcastic]

He's still the best player in the NBA.

[MellowYellow]

He's still the best player in the NBA.
sure, if you ignore stats and the eye test and team performance/impact.

[GoSpursGo1984]

He's still the best player in the NBA.

I did not get it then I read your username now I get it

[G-Funk]

Curry
Durant
Lebron

Watch out for Anthony Davis...

[Asukal]

You've dedicated your entire account to Lebron.

Make an intelligent post first before coming after me, no life.

Says the guy with no brains. :rolleyes: :roll: :lol :oldlol:

[kamil]

Where is that LeBron23 ******ger we all know? I'd like to hear from him.

[riseagainst]

He is the best player playing in a not good enough team, story of his career.


:roll:

[StrongLurk]

Lebron was still the best last year, but he is 3rd best this year.

No one is close to Curry, and I think Durant is better now that Lebron doesn't even have an average jumpshot (2013/14 Lebron would be better than Durant, but still not Curry this year).

[Dresta]

Pauk :roll:

[PP34Deuce]

I see Lebron going through the transition of realizing what he can and can't do consistently.

I think one of the reasons his jumpshot is gone is because he has no confidence in shooting it. Shooting % from the finals has really effected him since it was his lowest FG% ever.

I believe he is still over a lot of guys not named Durant and Curry is playing better this year but is not the better player to me.

A lot of posters have been talking and ultimately Lebron to me is now a super charged tweener. Jumpshot lacking hurts him at SF full time his willingness to bang is not as passionate. He's a SF/PF now at this stage.