Heat fans souring on Winslow?

[FKAri]

I'm hearing chatter from Heat fans. What were they expecting? Peak Bruce Bowen from the jump? :oldlol:

[plowking]

I like the guy, but he won't get anywhere near as far as he could have while Spo is coaching him.

Dude stifles the growth of players. He tries to build guys into roles rather than players.

[Heavincent]

Haven't watched many Heat games, but I see he's shooting 29% in 24 minutes a game in January. Last month wasn't much better.

I can see it why it would be frustrating when you're a playoff team and you have a guy playing 20+ minutes who can't contribute at all offensively.

[FKAri]

I like the guy, but he won't get anywhere near as far as he could have while Spo is coaching him.

Dude stifles the growth of players. He tries to build guys into roles rather than players.

Heat's recent history of player development hasn't been great but aside from that do you regret the pick?

[imnew09]

"better than D Russell doe" :roll: :roll:

STAY LOSING HEAT

[plowking]

Heat's recent history of player development hasn't been great but aside from that do you regret the pick?

Outside of a blue chip, top prospect in the top 2, the Heat really wouldn't have known what to do with anyone. They just don't know how to develop guys, and then you have a coach who is full of shit enough to believe guys have to earn minutes, and then when they actually do, it still isn't enough because his whole philosophy was full of shit to begin with.

To put into perspective on how bad Spo is as a coach, have you ever seen a coach get that much shit while winning championships? It wasn't just the idiot Bron fans that complain about anything and everything either... It was long time Heat fans saying this guy sucks, and we're still saying it now.

Give Spo team USA to compete in today's league, and he'll find a way to barely make them win, and play some of the most boring basketball ever.

Honestly looking at the draft board again, who else was there to take? I think Winslow is talented, but not as good as some of his fans on here prior to the draft made him sound. No one that went underneath him has gotten any real talk either, apart from Booker and Portis.

I think he'll turn out okay. Not as good as he could have been, but once the Heat get rid of some of the pieces like Deng and a few others, hopefully he'll naturally fill in that starting role and be given some room to shine.

[G-train]

JW is just over 19 years old. He is a defensive specialist with good NBA body, and a developing offensive game. In a few seasons he will a good NBA starter.
Needs to continue to work on his shooting.

[SwishSquared]

Outside of a blue chip, top prospect in the top 2, the Heat really wouldn't have known what to do with anyone. They just don't know how to develop guys, and then you have a coach who is full of shit enough to believe guys have to earn minutes, and then when they actually do, it still isn't enough because his whole philosophy was full of shit to begin with.

To put into perspective on how bad Spo is as a coach, have you ever seen a coach get that much shit while winning championships? It wasn't just the idiot Bron fans that complain about anything and everything either... It was long time Heat fans saying this guy sucks, and we're still saying it now.

Give Spo team USA to compete in today's league, and he'll find a way to barely make them win, and play some of the most boring basketball ever.

Honestly looking at the draft board again, who else was there to take? I think Winslow is talented, but not as good as some of his fans on here prior to the draft made him sound. No one that went underneath him has gotten any real talk either, apart from Booker and Portis.

I think he'll turn out okay. Not as good as he could have been, but once the Heat get rid of some of the pieces like Deng and a few others, hopefully he'll naturally fill in that starting role and be given some room to shine.Booker and Portis are the 2 guys most people would probably take higher than their original positions in a re-draft. Winslow's shooting and offense is super shaky right now, but like you said, Spo isn't doing the guy too many favors. He was really capable on D from the jump, which was a key need for the Heat imo. Booker would be awful on defense for the Heat right now, even if his jumper is money.

I can see a case for Turner going higher, too, though. Also maybe Lyles since his jumper has gotten really sweet recently.

[G-train]

Outside of a blue chip, top prospect in the top 2, the Heat really wouldn't have known what to do with anyone. They just don't know how to develop guys, and then you have a coach who is full of shit enough to believe guys have to earn minutes, and then when they actually do, it still isn't enough because his whole philosophy was full of shit to begin with.

To put into perspective on how bad Spo is as a coach, have you ever seen a coach get that much shit while winning championships? It wasn't just the idiot Bron fans that complain about anything and everything either... It was long time Heat fans saying this guy sucks, and we're still saying it now.

Give Spo team USA to compete in today's league, and he'll find a way to barely make them win, and play some of the most boring basketball ever.

Honestly looking at the draft board again, who else was there to take? I think Winslow is talented, but not as good as some of his fans on here prior to the draft made him sound. No one that went underneath him has gotten any real talk either, apart from Booker and Portis.

I think he'll turn out okay. Not as good as he could have been, but once the Heat get rid of some of the pieces like Deng and a few others, hopefully he'll naturally fill in that starting role and be given some room to shine.

Winslow consistently gets 25+ minutes per game.
The opposition just leave him alone, his shooting is currently that bad.
Not sure how much more you want from the coach.
Spoelstra is a very good NBA coach. There is only so much you can do with a roster with no shooting and a starting backcourt of Wade/Dragic which fits worse than Wade/Lebron.
Riley made the right move getting Dragic, now he needs 1-2 more for wing shooting.
Winslow is Miami's first high pick in 7 years. They have built via free agency. I would be hesitant to say they don't know how to develop people, because they developed Wade. Beasley was a head case that would have fooled whoever got the number 2 pick.

[imdaman99]

How similar of a player is he to Shumpert? A left handed version of him?

[FreezingTsmoove]

I was calling him a beta ass bitch the minute Miami drafted him

[plowking]

Winslow consistently gets 25+ minutes per game.
The opposition just leave him alone, his shooting is currently that bad.
Not sure how much more you want from the coach.
Spoelstra is a very good NBA coach. There is only so much you can do with a roster with no shooting and a starting backcourt of Wade/Dragic which fits worse than Wade/Lebron.
Riley made the right move getting Dragic, now he needs 1-2 more for wing shooting.
Winslow is Miami's first high pick in 7 years. They have built via free agency. I would be hesitant to say they don't know how to develop people, because they developed Wade. Beasley was a head case that would have fooled whoever got the number 2 pick.

There is a reason we trade away our picks for "veterans"... I'm not hesitant to say we can't develop guys, because we can't. What is James Ennis up to? What are most of our picks up to? The Heat haven't really developed Whiteside either considering now the only difference is he is getting minutes.

What do I want him to do with Winslow? They're the ones that drafted him. You don't go that high in the draft just based on your defensive prowess, especially as a wing. They drafted him, scouted him, and clearly liked the kid, yet don't know enough to get him into some decent spots on the floor for him to shoot from.

Spo isn't a good coach. He is a terrible one. The sooner you realize that, the sooner you will realize how it is the Heat always somehow come up short of expectations. Not mine, since I see the clear picture. I do remember you saying how good this team was going to be last season even without Bron, etc. Meanwhile I picked mid 30 wins... This season I picked 46-48, but even that is looking like a stretch at the moment.

A good coach knows how to utilize players. Somehow he has everyone underperforming. You have your brand new $90 mil guy averaging 12 points and like 5 assists? Great one Spo.

[Alan Ogg]

He's just not a good NBA player right now. I like his potential though. And I agree, Spo needs to go.

[WayOfWade]

He's just not a good NBA player right now. I like his potential though. And I agree, Spo needs to go.
That seems to be the general consensus among Heat fans (at least on ISH), that Spoelstra is no longer cutting it and - if the organization wants to grow - needs to leave. I like Winslow though, he just lacks confidence but he'll get there eventually offensively, his career looks like Jimmy Butler/Paul George, starting off slow offensively but he'll get it later on. He does have D-Wade mentoring him, so he does have a head start on the others.

[coin24]

They need to fire the spobot ASAP. Back to the video room you dopey filo

[DoctorP]

It's called the "rookie wall". Look it up.

[Dresta]

No - how many NBA ready defenders do you get at 19 - he's already shown the ability to defend the 1-4 positions at a high level, so yeah, i'd definitely not take Booker over him, who is as big a liability defensively as Winslow is offensively. Winslow's offense will improve - he's only 19 and he's got significantly better every season of his career thus far.

[Smoke117]

He's got a long way to go...he's pretty much useless right now offensively. He needs to spend the entire offseason on his jump shot. He's shooting 23% on two 3pt shots a game...that's just horrendous.

[aj1987]

I was hoping that he'd be averaging 10 PPG on 45/35 shooting by Feb. Damn! We really do suck balls at developing talent.