Would the Cavs and Houston pull a Dwight Howard - Kevin Love trade?

[francesco totti]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j83fbdg

How would it shape both teams? Houston would get 2 relatively young stars ( love 27 , harden 26). Cavs get Howard ( 30 years old) who has 2 years in him maybe.


The Cavs line up:

Howard
Tristian Thompson
Lebron
Shumpert
Irving


Houston line up:

Clint Capela
Kevin Love
Ariza
Harden
Beverly

[Im Still Ballin]

If Ariza is involved somehow possibly

[Im Still Ballin]

Love and Mozgov for Howard and Ariza

[iBandwagon]

If Ariza is involved somehow possibly
I hope they both stay where they are.

[fiddy]

Love and Mozgov for Howard and Ariza
Morey is not a retard bruh

[sdot_thadon]

Morey is not a retard bruh
I don't think he is either, but it would be pretty interesting to see if love would play better here as no.2 instead of 3. Rockets defense would become even more laughable though. Harden AND love?:biggums:

[StephHamann]

So Lebron will drive and kick to Dwight?

Good idea

[Fallen Angel]

Love and Mozgov < Dwight Howard

Houston wouldn't need to attach anything else, we have the best player in the deal.

Love wouldn't solve any of Houston's problems in the locker room or on defense so we'd say no. Mozgov is a shell of what he was in the NBA Finals.

[HOoopCityJones]

Love and Mozgov for Howard and Ariza

You sound drunk. Though I wouldn't be surprised if the league wasn't done gifting Lebron with sure thing rosters. :lol

[HOoopCityJones]

So Lebron will drive and kick to Dwight?

Good idea

Oh look someone who actually uses his Brain.

Lebron and Dwight can not play together unless one of them is ready to take a huge hit in the rebounding department and if Lebron will let Dwight play in the post at all for that matter.

Before you know it they'll be trying to turn him into a stretch 5. :oldlol:

[Sakkreth]

Why would rockets do any of this ?

[HoopSuperstar]

Why would rockets do any of this ?

Because Dwight might just leave the team after this season.

[Mass Debator]

lawson+terry for love+scrub

cavs need terry for more alphaness

[Fallen Angel]

lawson+terry for love+scrub

cavs need terry for more alphaness
Deal.

[Bankaii]

Oh look someone who actually uses his Brain.

Lebron and Dwight can not play together unless one of them is ready to take a huge hit in the rebounding department and if Lebron will let Dwight play in the post at all for that matter.

Before you know it they'll be trying to turn him into a stretch 5. :oldlol:
Have you ever made an intelligent post?

Seriously every single one is incorrect bullshit.

[ArbitraryWater]

lawson+terry for love+scrub

cavs need terry for more alphaness

:facepalm

anyway, Harden and Love anchoring dat D... lol

[Levity]

Have you ever made an intelligent post?

Seriously every single one is incorrect bullshit.

is he not right, though? Dwight is not effective outside of the paint. so if lebron is cool with a big ol body clogging up the paint on offense, they sure, pull the trigger. but i think we all remember how effective lebrons midrange game is.

but i guess it sort of works for harden. so, eh.

[Sakkreth]

Because Dwight might just leave the team after this season.

As if Kevin Love wouldn't leave them and he brings like nothing to the team anyways when DMo gets healthy.

[Fallen Angel]

Lebron made the NBA Finals w/ Thompson and Mozgov clogging the paint, so to think James couldn't play in that situation with Howard is absolute ludicrous.

You take out Love and bring in Howard would mean Lebron could finally play extended minutes at PF the way he did in his peak years with the Miami Heat. Then Cleveland has the option of starting Shumpert and have him as their Battier-type role player or even bringing in a combo forward who can shoot the 3 and play D.

You put Lebron at 6'8" and Dwight at 6'11" in the pick and roll with three shooters camping on the perimeter and you have yourself a simple, but beastly offensive lineup. Then you look at the other end of the floor, Cleveland would instantly get better at protecting the rim and defending the pick and roll. They already have a Top 10 defense, but with the addition of Dwight and subtraction of Love they can probably move into the ranking Top 3 defenses in the league.

Cleveland would do that deal in a second, the Rockets however don't see Love fixing the apparent issues our team already has. In fact, it gives us another issue in terms of crowding our PF rotation and having no elite rim protector in a division full of elite bigs.

[HOoopCityJones]

Have you ever made an intelligent post?

Seriously every single one is incorrect bullshit.

What did I say that wasn't true? :biggums:

Ive seen you yourself bring up the value of spacing at times when it fits your arguments, but now all of a sudden me saying Lebron and Dwight not being able to play together in the post is bullshit?

Let me tell you how it would work, LBJ would have to relinquish all ball handling duties to Kyrie, let Dwight be the big man he is and he'd have to actually start playing the Small Forward position, which means more of an off ball role.

Can he do it? Better yet, WILL he do it?

[HOoopCityJones]

Lebron made the NBA Finals w/ Thompson and Mozgov clogging the paint, so to think James couldn't play in that situation with Howard is absolute ludicrous.

You take out Love and bring in Howard would mean Lebron could finally play extended minutes at PF the way he did in his peak years with the Miami Heat. Then Cleveland has the option of starting Shumpert and have him as their Battier-type role player or even bringing in a combo forward who can shoot the 3 and play D.

You put Lebron at 6'8" and Dwight at 6'11" in the pick and roll with three shooters camping on the perimeter and you have yourself a simple, but beastly offensive lineup. Then you look at the other end of the floor, Cleveland would instantly get better at protecting the rim and defending the pick and roll. They already have a Top 10 defense, but with the addition of Dwight and subtraction of Love they can probably move into the ranking Top 3 defenses in the league.

Cleveland would do that deal in a second, the Rockets however don't see Love fixing the apparent issues our team already has. In fact, it gives us another issue in terms of crowding our PF rotation and having no elite rim protector in a division full of elite bigs.

You do realize the only reason that works is because Bosh had to play out of position right? Which is essentially what they're trying to do with Love.

So now you want them to add a post heavy big down low instead of the stretch 4 that Lebron is used to winning with? You guys talk a lot of shit when it comes to stats and advanced metrics but don't seem to pay much attention to the mechanics of the game on the court.

I'll make it simpler so you can understand.

Lebron plays power forward at times because the actual power forward on the floor is able to stretch the floor to the 3pt line if need be. You trade Love, now you're asking Tristian Thompson to make 15 footers , maybe further away than that.

Ya'll know better though. :oldlol:

[HoopSuperstar]

As if Kevin Love wouldn't leave them and he brings like nothing to the team anyways when DMo gets healthy.

Dwight contract gives him an option to leave. Does Love has the same option?

[Fallen Angel]

You're still in the realm of the Lebron-Heat build, that team is more than just Chris Bosh playing the 5. Miami had an All-Time great supporting cast that played a bigger part in the Heat winning games than Bosh did spotting up in the corner. Dwight would give what every great passer would love, a great screen and roll player who can go high for lobs and finish through contact.

Chris Bosh had multiple playoff games where he was invisible on offense, but contributed (at times) on defense. Dwight continually tries to initiate offense mostly but setting on-ball screens or just going down low and calling for the ball. Kevin Love on the other hand does nothing but catch and shoot with the Cavaliers.

Thompson doesn't need to stretch the floor. Like I said before, which you completely ignored, Lebron made the NBA Finals and won two games with Thompson and Mozgov starting together.

[BigMacAttack]

Morey isn't going to trade Howard for Love.

[Bankaii]

What did I say that wasn't true? :biggums:

Ive seen you yourself bring up the value of spacing at times when it fits your arguments, but now all of a sudden me saying Lebron and Dwight not being able to play together in the post is bullshit?

Let me tell you how it would work, LBJ would have to relinquish all ball handling duties to Kyrie, let Dwight be the big man he is and he'd have to actually start playing the Small Forward position, which means more of an off ball role.

Can he do it? Better yet, WILL he do it?
The first dumb thing you said was that Dwight's rebounding would take a hit. Both Love and TT have been flourishing on both the offensive and defensive boards, all while Lebron is getting his usual 7.

The second dumb thing you said was that Dwight wouldn't be a post player and relegated to a shooter because of "Lebron ball". Lebron played with Shaq. Shaq had a very efficient year and had the highest percentage of 0-3 ft shots of his ENTIRE career. If Lebron can allow old, fat, slow Shaq to remain an efficient post player in the paint all while Lebron was putting up the best numbers in the league then I'm pretty sure Dwight would work out just fine.

Fallen Angel summed it up pretty nicely as well.

[HOoopCityJones]

The first dumb thing you said was that Dwight's rebounding would take a hit. Both Love and TT have been flourishing on both the offensive and defensive boards, all while Lebron is getting his usual 7.

The second dumb thing you said was that Dwight wouldn't be a post player and relegated to a shooter because of "Lebron ball". Lebron played with Shaq. Shaq had a very efficient year and had the highest percentage of 0-3 ft shots of his ENTIRE career. If Lebron can allow old, fat, slow Shaq to remain an efficient post player in the paint all while Lebron was putting up the best numbers in the league then I'm pretty sure Dwight would work out just fine.

Fallen Angel summed it up pretty nicely as well.

Cavs Shaq wasn't still trying to get at least 20 and 10 which I'm sure after his crazy game vs Clippers , Dwight still feels like he's more capable of doing, more than just a role player, which no matter how you look at it is what you guys want him to be. Might as well keep Mozgod and Love.

Who are content getting at max 10-15 pts a game, Dwight hates his role in Houston right now from all indication, so maybe it can work if he's down to take an even bigger back seat. :confusedshrug:

Also the rebounding thing was just a subtle jab, but the playing from the post thing is real. Only so much space down there.

[Fallen Angel]

Dwight is averaging a bit more touches than Love, but is scoring less per possession. He gets the bulk of his points from lobs and putbacks from offensive rebounds.

Put Howard on a true contender and he'll be more than happy to reduce his low post touches if it means his team will be in better shape on offense.

Either way, Love and Dwight are already getting a similar number of touches on the block. Dwight hates his role on the Rockets because the team isn't winning games, he had no problem with a reduced role last season and last postseason when the Rockets were good.

[SwishSquared]

I think Houston would do this, but I don't see why Cleveland would. Cleveland would need Ariza, picks, and young talent in addition to Dwight.

[Fallen Angel]

I think Houston would do this, but I don't see why Cleveland would. Cleveland would need Ariza, picks, and young talent in addition to Dwight.
No to everything in this post.

[SwishSquared]

No to everything in this post.That's why this deal wouldn't work for either side.

You think you can get Love for just Dwight? I highly doubt that. That clearly favors the Rockets, especially with Dwight hitting UFA this summer once again if he opts out (Love is signed through the end of the 2019-2020 season or something).

[Fallen Angel]

That's why this deal wouldn't work for either side.

You think you can get Love for just Dwight? I highly doubt that. That clearly favors the Rockets, especially with Dwight hitting UFA this summer once again if he opts out (Love is signed through the end of the 2019-2020 season or something).
Dwight Howard's impact as a Lebron James-role player would be greater than Kevin Love. Dwight would literally be playing the same basketball as he is with the Rockets, Love is not effective on either side of the ball for the Cavaliers in his role.

The contracts don't matter for Cleveland, they're a true contender who can resign a free agent like Dwight Howard for less than they're currently paying Kevin Love.

Dwight helped lead his teams to the postseason with his defense and rebounding alone since back in 2007. Those qualities won't change as apart of the Cavaliers. Cleveland would be jumping to replace Love with Howard, Rockets not so much.

[Spurs m8]

My god, imagine Harden and Love on D together HAHAHAHA

On top of that, still won't solve Cavs problems...

Cavs just aren't that good