Who are the main Presidential contenders?

[enayes]

I'm just starting to care a little bit about the next President. I thought all the Trump stuff was a joke but it appears this guy actually has a chance? :wtf:

If possible could someone give me a quick rundown of the top contenders and their actual chances of being elected. Very basic info.
:cheers:

[Draz]

Feel the Bern

[JerrySeinfeld]

Hilary is the frontrunner, Bernie is the darkhorse.

No one else has a chance.

[fiddy]

Hilary is the frontrunner, Bernie is the darkhorse.

No one else has a chance.
corrupted criminal vs a senile grandpa, man, those elections are rigged, just like the 2008, putting Obama vs the senile McCain was a 100% rig job

[Draz]

I think everyone's biggest fear for Bernie is his age. But, people fail to recognize he's the longest in politics and has a cleaner record than his competition.

[Nick Young]

http://i.imgur.com/WnXzh5U.gif

[Derka]

The same choice its been every election: a shit sandwich or a giant douche.

[enayes]

I like some of Bernie's ideas. Tell me if this assessment is correct:

1. Trump is the front-runner for Rep.
2. Hilary front-runner for Dem.

Most likely election: Trump v. Hilary

2nd most likely: Trump v. Bernie

Is that accurate? :confusedshrug:

[Draz]

I just don't get how Trump is even leading the Republicans. This is the best they have?

[highwhey]

http://i.imgur.com/WnXzh5U.gif
Your picture doesn't work dimwit.

[NumberSix]

I just don't get how Trump is even leading the Republicans. This is the best they have?
This is what I keep telling people on the left and they can't understand it. People on the right hate the Republican Party even more than you do. Trump's biggest selling point is that he's not actually a republican. They like that he's hijacking the Republican Party.

[UK2K]

I think everyone's biggest fear for Bernie is his age. But, people fail to recognize he's the longest in politics and has a cleaner record than his competition.

Absolutely the worst reason to vote for someone.

We shouldn't have the same politicians governing our country for 20 or in some cases 30 years.

You don't stay in politics that long without making enemies, and plenty of friends.

[UK2K]

I just don't get how Trump is even leading the Republicans. This is the best they have?

Trump is far more right than most Republicans, but his message is electric.

[highwhey]

Trump is far more right than most Republicans, but his message is electric.
You probably attend motivational speeches hosted at hotels by speakers trying to scam you out of your money while you believe their message is 'electric'.

[NumberSix]

The thing about trump is, he completely owns a few issues that the voters have absolutely no faith in other candidates with. Marco Rubio or Ted Cruz aren't going to do fcuk-all about the border or bad trade deals. They can see that Teump is not going to back down on this issues.

[Terahite]

Trump will rape all of his opposition. :lol

Trump is actually serious about fixing this beleaguered economy which is based on a phony war/debt cycle and kept alive by party politics and propaganda/publicity. The media hates him because he's a threat to their crumbling legitimacy and all of the rubes here hate him because they can't pigeonhole him. :roll:

[NumberSix]

Trump will rape all of his opposition. :lol

Trump is actually serious about fixing this beleaguered economy which is based on a phony war/debt cycle and kept alive by party politics and propaganda/publicity. The media hates him because he's a threat to their crumbling legitimacy and all of the rubes here hate him because they can't pigeonhole him. :roll:
InB4 "trump will be terrible for the economy".

Of course. A world class businessman who has been tremendously successful and created tens of thousands of jobs doesn't know how the economy works. But a career politician like Bernie Sanders who has lived his entire life on taxpayer money and never participated in the economy does, huh?

[Terahite]

InB4 "trump will be terrible for the economy".

Of course. A world class businessman who has been tremendously successful and created tens of thousands of jobs doesn't know how the economy works. But a career politician like Bernie Sanders who has lived his entire life on taxpayer money and never participated in the economy does, huh?

Weak-minded fools wring their hands over a "businessman" daring to make a run for the presidency. The reality is that if the country were actually run like a successful business it wouldn't be run into the ground like it is. It's amazing how people are ignoring this simple fact due to ideological bias. :facepalm

[Coach Eddie]

Hilary is the frontrunner, Bernie is the darkhorse.

No one else has a chance.
I hope this is right.

[enayes]

I like some of Bernie's ideas. Tell me if this assessment is correct:

1. Trump is the front-runner for Rep.
2. Hilary front-runner for Dem.

Most likely election: Trump v. Hilary

2nd most likely: Trump v. Bernie

Is that accurate? :confusedshrug:

Someone please answer my above post.
:D

[blablabla]

Bernie the god

[bdreason]

Rubio seems like to obvious GOP choice to me. Trump would get destroyed in a general election.

[bdreason]

Someone please answer my above post.
:D


I don't think there's any chance the GOP nominates Trump, regardless of his popularity.

Does Trump have the resources to run as an Independent? I don't know.

[NumberSix]

I don't think there's any chance the GOP nominates Trump, regardless of his popularity.

Does Trump have the resources to run as an Independent? I don't know.
I don't know why people think this. Is it just that you've heard a bunch of people on tv say this? Why do you think this?

[bdreason]

I don't know why people think this. Is it just that you've heard a bunch of people on tv say this? Why do you think this?


It's my opinion. If the GOP wants to actually have a shot at winning the general election, I think they would have to be insane to nominate Trump.

[BoutPractice]

I'd say the odds at this point in time look something like this

Clinton 35%
Trump 25%
Sanders 15%
Cruz 10%
Rubio 10%
Kasich 4%
Someone else (for example Biden or Romney) 1%

So yeah, Trump's for real - especially if you consider how resilient he's been. Everything that usually kills candidates, he's already been through.

[Draz]

Question. What were the percentage of popularity when Obama ran? Was he losing at any point? Or, was he always on top?

[KyrieTheFuture]

I trust Trump with the economy (barely). I do not trust Trump even a little bit with foreign policy. He would lower our worldwide respect dramatically.

[~primetime~]

Vegas Odds:

http://www.oddsshark.com/entertainment/us-presidential-odds-2016-futures

Hillary Clinton -110
Donald Trump +250
Bernie Sanders +500
Marco Rubio +1000
Ted Cruz +1200
Jeb Bush +3300
Chris Christie +4000
Ben Carson +12500
John Kasich +12500
Carly Fiorina +12500

[~primetime~]

I'd say the odds at this point in time look something like this

Clinton 35%
Trump 25%
Sanders 15%
Cruz 10%
Rubio 10%
Kasich 4%
Someone else (for example Biden or Romney) 1%

So yeah, Trump's for real - especially if you consider how resilient he's been. Everything that usually kills candidates, he's already been through.
It's more like:

Clinton 60%
Trump 15%
Sanders 5%
Field: 20%

[TheSilentKiller]

InB4 "trump will be terrible for the economy".

Of course. A world class businessman who has been tremendously successful and created tens of thousands of jobs doesn't know how the economy works. But a career politician like Bernie Sanders who has lived his entire life on taxpayer money and never participated in the economy does, huh?
You can't file bankruptcy for the economy :roll:

[ThePhantomCreep]

Trump will rape all of his opposition. :lol

Trump is actually serious about fixing this beleaguered economy which is based on a phony war/debt cycle and kept alive by party politics and propaganda/publicity. The media hates him because he's a threat to their crumbling legitimacy and all of the rubes here hate him because they can't pigeonhole him. :roll:

Forget his other idiotic ideas, Trump's Muslim ban alone would ruin our standing with several countries we have trade agreements with. How would that improve our economy? He's an idiot and so are you.

[NumberSix]

It's more like:

Clinton 60%
Trump 15%
Sanders 5%
Field: 20%
How have you people not noticed that Hillary is a terrible candidate? She's not good at this. I'm not sure she can even beat Bernie Sanders with the entire Democrat party openly rigging the process for her. She's not a good politician. Stop thinking she's Bill Clinton.

[TheSilentKiller]

How have you people not noticed that Hillary is a terrible candidate? She's not good at this. I'm not sure she can even beat Bernie Sanders with the entire Democrat party openly rigging the process for her. She's not a good politician. Stop thinking she's Bill Clinton.
have you seen a single person on ish supporting hillary?

[Dave3]

Trump is far more right than most Republicans, but his message is electric.
Trump isn't more right. When you quantify views on a spectrum of conservative to liberal, from 100 to -100, where 0 would be absolute moderate, Trump (and Pail actually) are both about a 47. People like Cruz and Rubio are a lot closer to 100. That's kind of the paradox going on right here. The likely most conservative members of an electorate are voting for one of the most moderate candidates policy wise.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/sarah-palin-endorses-donald-trump-for-president/

[Dave3]

How have you people not noticed that Hillary is a terrible candidate? She's not good at this. I'm not sure she can even beat Bernie Sanders with the entire Democrat party openly rigging the process for her. She's not a good politician. Stop thinking she's Bill Clinton.
This is absolutely true. I think all Republicans and probably a huge chunk of democrats can't stand Clinton. On introspection, I would probably side with her more than Sanders on policy (I'm not as left as him) but theoretically I'd much rather vote for him just because every time she talks I cringe. There's something palpably fake about every mannerism and word she expresses.

[~primetime~]

I'm not sure I 'like' Hilliary but she has some good ideas...stop worrying bout her mannerisms or her ******, she has balls.

This should interest many here....since many of you are young w/college debt

Hillary's $350 billion plan to kill college debt (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clintons-350-billion-plan-to-kill-college-debt-121210)
'No family and no student should have to borrow to pay tuition at a public college or university.'



college debt is a massive problem in this country...

[Dave3]

I'm not sure I 'like' Hilliary but she has some good ideas...stop worrying bout her mannerisms or her ******, she has balls.

This should interest many here....since many of you are young w/college debt

Hillary's $350 billion plan to kill college debt (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clintons-350-billion-plan-to-kill-college-debt-121210)
'No family and no student should have to borrow to pay tuition at a public college or university.'



college debt is a massive problem in this country...
The idea is electing a president who agrees with you today but in general seems slimy and won't address one of the main things that seems to be ruining the country (crony capitalism) as she has ties to those institutions.

Either way though, this is all theoretical. I'm not a U.S citizen.
Ps. I make the slimy point just to convey that she might take a completely contradicting stance in the future if it fits her career agenda at the time.

[NumberSix]

I'm not sure I 'like' Hilliary but she has some good ideas...stop worrying bout her mannerisms or her ******, she has balls.

This should interest many here....since many of you are young w/college debt

Hillary's $350 billion plan to kill college debt (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clintons-350-billion-plan-to-kill-college-debt-121210)
'No family and no student should have to borrow to pay tuition at a public college or university.'



college debt is a massive problem in this country...
Yeah, and the biggest reason for that is that the government decided to be in the college loan business.

[DonDadda59]

Vegas Odds:

http://www.oddsshark.com/entertainment/us-presidential-odds-2016-futures

Hillary Clinton -110
Donald Trump +250
Bernie Sanders +500
Marco Rubio +1000
Ted Cruz +1200
Jeb Bush +3300
Chris Christie +4000
Ben Carson +12500
John Kasich +12500
Carly Fiorina +12500

I love that you can actually bet on who will win the Presidency. America has a serious gambling problem. :lol


InB4 "trump will be terrible for the economy".

Many economists have crunched the numbers on the few actual policy ideas Trump has come up with (His tax plan, his mass deportation plan). And the results?

Another depression.

Can't wait. :applause:

[NumberSix]

I love that you can actually bet on who will win the Presidency. America has a serious gambling problem. :lol



Many economists have crunched the numbers on the few actual policy ideas Trump has come up with (His tax plan, his mass deportation plan). And the results?

Another depression.

Can't wait. :applause:
The numbers they crunched are assuming the economy stays exactly the same and that government spending stays the same.

[navy]

I love that you can actually bet on who will win the Presidency. America has a serious gambling problem. :lol



Many economists have crunched the numbers on the few actual policy ideas Trump has come up with (His tax plan, his mass deportation plan). And the results?

Another depression.

Can't wait. :applause:
Economist have proven time and time again they dont know what they are talking about when it comes to predictions.

Reality is no candidate will have a substantial effect on the economy unless they propose something radical. Im sure Trump has, but not sure. Also the obvious, Congress restrictions.

Something like Rand Paul trying to take away fiat currency. Could be good or horribly wrong.

[NumberSix]

Economist have proven time and time again they dont know what they are talking about when it comes to predictions.

Reality is no candidate will have a substantial effect on the economy unless they propose something radical. Im sure Trump has, but not sure. Also the obvious, Congress restrictions.

Something like Rand Paul trying to take away fiat currency. Could be good or horribly wrong.
Its a pretty safe bet that it would be a good. Fiat currency is too easily manipulated and unstable and prone to inevitable unsustainable inflation.

[poido123]

Forget his other idiotic ideas, Trump's Muslim ban alone would ruin our standing with several countries we have trade agreements with. How would that improve our economy? He's an idiot and so are you.


Can you stop with the misinformation?


Trump wanted to halt muslim immigrants coming in UNTIL shit had settled and he did mention it would be temporary.


That is logical and in the nation's best interests.

[Nick Young]

Yeah, and the biggest reason for that is that the government decided to be in the college loan business.
The problem is people started telling dumbass people who don't belong in college that they had to go to college to be successful, colleges started letting in boneheads that don't belong in college, and banks started freely giving out loans to people who were dumbasses that didn't belong in college.

Not everyone is a special snowflake. Not everyone is meant for college.

[Smoke117]

The problem is people started telling dumbass people who don't belong in college that they had to go to college to be successful, colleges started letting in boneheads that don't belong in college, and banks started freely giving out loans who were dumbasses that didn't belong in college.

Not everyone is a special snowflake. Not everyone is meant for college.

Shut up, nick. You're not intelligent, but just a big mouth salami sucking fakkot.

[Proctor]

Shut up, nick. You're not intelligent, but just a big mouth salami sucking fakkot.
Isn't this a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

[navy]

Its a pretty safe bet that it would be a good. Fiat currency is too easily manipulated and unstable and prone to inevitable unsustainable inflation.
Stop talking out of your ass. Easy manipulation and inflation are both positives and negatives.

[Nick Young]

Shut up, nick. You're not intelligent, but just a big mouth salami sucking fakkot.
The truth hurts.

#rentfree

[Smoke117]

Isn't this a case of the pot calling the kettle black?

I dunno...is it? Enlighten me further with your synopsis on this opinion?

[ThePhantomCreep]

Can you stop with the misinformation?


Trump wanted to halt muslim immigrants coming in UNTIL shit had settled and he did mention it would be temporary.


That is logical and in the nation's best interests.

Trump can call it whatever he wants, "until we figure out what they hell is going on" = indefinite ban. The economic impact of such a ban would be overwhelmingly negative. It's a terrible idea, on multiple levels.

[Draz]

Trumps a fcking racist. Anyone who supports him has an objective behind their support too. This moron isn't going to help the country. You don't need to know politics to understand that. It's common sense. You don't need a degree to comprehend his ignorant behavior. You worried about the economy? As population increases, competition does too. Regardless, degrees are becoming more and more useless. Certifications are becoming watered down. Students need higher GPA's. Higher degrees. People are worried about having to accomplish higher requirements.

[Draz]

I respect everyone's choice. We all have our reasons. In the end we all want whats best for ourselves and our family. If you feel Trump would be the better of the choices, then that's you.

[Cactus-Sack]

Yeah, and the biggest reason for that is that the government decided to be in the college loan business.
And like every problem created by the government, the solution is... MORE GOVERNMENT!

[Draz]

We're just fcked.

[FillJackson]

I'd say the odds at this point in time look something like this

Clinton 35%
Trump 25%
Sanders 15%
Cruz 10%
Rubio 10%
Kasich 4%
Someone else (for example Biden or Romney) 1%

So yeah, Trump's for real - especially if you consider how resilient he's been. Everything that usually kills candidates, he's already been through.
Here's what the prediction/betting markets say right now.


Democratic......63 %
Republican ......37 %

Hillary Clinton...........DEM............54 %
Donald Trump...........GOP............15 %
Marco Rubio..............GOP............12 %
Bernie Sanders.........DEM..............9 %
Jeb Bush..................GOP..............4 %
Ted Cruz..................GOP..............4 %

[FillJackson]

I don't know why people think this. Is it just that you've heard a bunch of people on tv say this? Why do you think this?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZA9nE_WYAAOPDI.png

It's because among the general electorate, he has the lowest favorable ratings of any Republican.

[FillJackson]

Interesting article on how the GOP primaries are going to work this time around. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/2016-gop-primary-crazier-than-you-think-213542)

The primary calendar is front-loaded with primaries favorable to Trump and Cruz, BUT the early primaries are NOT winner take all. So the GOP campaign will probably go on into April.

[QUOTE]The 2016 rules are much the same as the ones that dragged out Romney

[Dave3]

Interesting article on how the GOP primaries are going to work this time around. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/2016-gop-primary-crazier-than-you-think-213542)

The primary calendar is front-loaded with primaries favorable to Trump and Cruz, BUT the early primaries are NOT winner take all. So the GOP campaign will probably go on into April.



The writer says usually there is a "conservative lane" and an "establishment lane." This year might have three lanes with a Trump lane added. The longer the race stays as more than three people, the better for Trump. If the establishment wing of the party can coalesce around one person earlier, that's worse for Trump. A three way race helps Trump, BUT a close three way race could mean Trump doesn't get enough delegates to actually win the nomination and we have a candidate decided at the convention. There's a very small chance of that, but it's a bigger possibility than any other year.


State like New York and California are late in the cycle this year, so if an Establishment candidate is still around late, they are going to start doing a lot better than Trump or Cruz.

The bottom line is since the early states are proportional, it's not simply going to be whoever does well in the first 4 states and the Longer the race stays crowded helps Trump. In a two-way Trump-Cruz race or Trump-Rubio race, Trump would likely lose, but he would win a three way race. I don't see either Cruz or Rubio stepping aside either.
Thought you were linking the 538 article, which was also really good. That's where I first learned about this. It's crazy to think you can win a state with 70% and get like 4 delegates, and win another with 51% and get 99. I mean, I'm no fan of Trump at all but that seems very undemocratic.

[poido123]

Is there seriously that many people that would vote Hillary and the Democrats?


World is going to go to shit if we don't get a far right guy in there.


This liberal PC shit in the world needs to be counterbalanced with some common f.cking sense.

[FillJackson]

Thought you were linking the 538 article, which was also really good. That's where I first learned about this. It's crazy to think you can win a state with 70% and get like 4 delegates, and win another with 51% and get 99. I mean, I'm no fan of Trump at all but that seems very undemocratic.
Well States have different sized populations. You should get more delegates for winning California than North Dakota.

Like in the general election, you lose the popular vote and win the most delegates, See Bush in 2000.

[AceManIII]

Is there seriously that many people that would vote Hillary and the Democrats?


World is going to go to shit if we don't get a far right guy in there.


This liberal PC shit in the world needs to be counterbalanced with some common f.cking sense.

We can't turn to Trump for common sense

[FillJackson]

Is there seriously that many people that would vote Hillary and the Democrats?

Yup. North of 65 million.

[Dresta]

I'm not sure I 'like' Hilliary but she has some good ideas...stop worrying bout her mannerisms or her ******, she has balls.

This should interest many here....since many of you are young w/college debt

Hillary's $350 billion plan to kill college debt (http://www.politico.com/story/2015/08/hillary-clintons-350-billion-plan-to-kill-college-debt-121210)
'No family and no student should have to borrow to pay tuition at a public college or university.'

college debt is a massive problem in this country...
Good luck with that. It's a serious problem all over the West. If no one has to borrow or even to pay to go, then the obvious consequence is that everyone will go, and the problem will become even more unsustainable and unaffordable (do you seriously think young people should not be working until their mid twenties? because that is where this over-expansion has led). University funding is floundering all over Europe as the chickens come home to roost on the foolish egalitarian expansion of education, which hasn't worked a single whit to make people more intelligent on average (and was actually something of a reaction to the "successes" of the USSR). Massachusetts had better overall education before the Civil War than it has today (well, they were certainly more literate: people read and wrote far more than they do today - the recorded literacy rate was much higher). The idea that people won't become educated unless shunted through what are often only job-training schools, is simply absurd. Now we just have a large class of people who think they've been educated, and feel entitled as a result, but who can't actually do very much, and have no real world experience.

The problem is the expansion of higher education in the first place. MORE means WORSE - it always has, and it always will. As people keep saying on here: that's not even politics, it's just common sense. The point of Universities are to cultivate the intellect and imagination of the individual, for his own sake, so as to get the most out the people who bring the most, not simply to make sure everyone can write a shitty essay with references and a bibliography. That level of education can be attained on your own anyway.

Honestly, in the UK (which is the system i know best), you only need to read biographies of people who were educated before the expansions of the 1960s, to see that standards have dropped off a cliff since then. So much so that pre-WW2 high school level attainments were significantly more difficult than modern undergraduate level attainments.

Not only that, but the social mobility was actually more impressive, because we had high-standard Grammar schools that provided a solid path to Oxbridge for the more talented. A quick example that demonstrates the gulf between education then (when teaching was still a highly respectable profession) and now (when teaching is the final recourse for educational failures): there were old Grammar Schools that for you to teach there, you had to have an Oxbridge First; now, you're lucky if your teacher has a 2:2 from Manchester. Clear evidence of decay.

Politicians can promise all they like on this one; nothing substantial will ever come through; Nick Clegg in the UK had the same problem when he promised to abolish tuition fees, until he realised how overleveraged the Universities already were, and ended up having to triple the fees. It is a slow process, but things are moving in this direction in just about every western country, because it's simply not sustainable to fund 50% of the population through higher education (nor is anything like that percentage at all suited to its rigours, which is why higher education is so lacking in rigour nowadays). Already, Universities do things like run useless and bogus postgrad courses, literally just to get people's money, particularly foreign students (been told this by many Professors, from several different unis, good and expensive ones at that).

Not to mention that students, with the way they are, will always complain and clamour for more. This became pretty obvious after studying in more than one country: in England (based on what they were accustomed to) students complained and protested about the increase in fees; in the Netherlands, they did the same thing, even when students have free travel, a free undergrad, and a free year of Masters level study; students always want more, and they always seem to want something for nothing - they are probably the most entitled group on the planet.

edit: I should say, there is a reason why the best Universities in the world are all, more or less without exception, from the UK and the US, the only countries to still allow their University institutions a fair bit of autonomy from the dictates of the central government. This is not the case in continental Europe, where they have not a single establishment capable of competing with Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial, Yale, MIT, Harvard, et al.

Does anyone think this is a coincidence?

[Dave3]

Well States have different sized populations. You should get more delegates for winning California than North Dakota.

Like in the general election, you lose the popular vote and win the most delegates, See Bush in 2000.
That's not all of it though. Some states have it where you win delegates by proportion. So if you win 60% of the votes, you get 6 out of 10 delegates. Other states have it as winner take all, so if you win 60% of the votes, you get 10 out 10 delegates. That's where I see a problem.

[Dave3]

Is there seriously that many people that would vote Hillary and the Democrats?


World is going to go to shit if we don't get a far right guy in there.


This liberal PC shit in the world needs to be counterbalanced with some common f.cking sense.
Dude, the U.S is right to every other developed country. You're talking like liberals in the U.S are in this radical new position politically and disconnected from the rest of the world, whereas it's quite the opposite.

You also can't insinuate that the antithesis of leftist politics is common sense, since left in general is a relative term, depending on which country you're in, and the "right" party in the states has some archaic views on some scientific and social issues. It's not "common sense" to be against any form of energy reform when climate change poses an existential threat. It's not "common sense" to claim that a country can't afford certain handouts and healthcare for people while simultaneously passing 622 billion dollars in tax cuts.

On the other hand, there are also numerous examples of lacking common sense on the left side of the isle. Attributing common sense to only one party though while insulting everyone in the opposition creates the same partisanship that's resulted in the least productive congress in the country's history.

[FillJackson]

That's not all of it though. Some states have it where you win delegates by proportion. So if you win 60% of the votes, you get 6 out of 10 delegates. Other states have it as winner take all, so if you win 60% of the votes, you get 10 out 10 delegates. That's where I see a problem.
Well what the GOP did this year, was if you wanted to hold your primary early, you couldn't be winner take all. They wanted to ensure a longer process than one candidate swipes a few states and it's over.

Some states do it not just proporation of the vote, but by Congressional district and a bump for winning the state.

[I]California

[Dave3]

Well what the GOP did this year, was if you wanted to hold your primary early, you couldn't be winner take all. They wanted to ensure a longer process than one candidate swipes a few states and it's over.

Some states do it not just proporation of the vote, but by Congressional district and a bump for winning the state.

California’s primary is a winner-take-all system by Congressional District. The Presidential candidate who wins any given Congressional District will receive all 3 delegate appointments for that district. In addition, 10 at large delegates are awarded to the presidential candidate receiving the largest number of votes statewide.
That makes it even more complicated. I suspect there's bipartisanship support for changing how voting works in both parties.

Maybe every 4 years, just based on a census or something similar, each state provides a certain number of points. So if there's 1000 delegates and Iowa has 2% of the population, then they get 20 delegates and each candidate receives their respective percentage of delegates. Repeat for each stage for all states, none of them being "winner take all" like that.

[code green]

Sad to say, this is Hillary's race to lose.

As a registered Republican, I'm gonna vote for the only anti-war, bank, establishment and foreign aid candidate that has a track record to prove it, and that's Rand Paul. Shame he won't even come close to sniffing the nomination though.

[Derka]

Sad to say, this is Hillary's race to lose.

As a registered Republican, I'm gonna vote for the only anti-war, bank, establishment and foreign aid candidate that has a track record to prove it, and that's Rand Paul. Shame he won't even come close to sniffing the nomination though.
Same thing I'm doing. If he's not the nominee (and he won't be) I'm staying home in November.

[LJJ]

Hillary Clinton being the frontrunner is weirdly regressive to me, especially considering she constantly champions how special it would be to have the first female president.

The first female president and it's a woman who's entire political career is based on being the wife of a popular former president. This is something you expect from a banana republic, not the USA. Whats next, Michelle Obama 2024?

I am enjoying the hell out of this US presidential race though. You guys do entertainment right, that's for sure.

[UK2K]

Sad to say, this is Hillary's race to lose.

As a registered Republican, I'm gonna vote for the only anti-war, bank, establishment and foreign aid candidate that has a track record to prove it, and that's Rand Paul. Shame he won't even come close to sniffing the nomination though.
As more of her emails come to light (higher ups in the FBI are confused as to how she's not already been charged), and we see the depths of her lying (documented), some will turn away.

Some won't care. Ever. Cause that's all they know.

[UK2K]

Hillary Clinton being the frontrunner is weirdly regressive to me, especially considering she constantly champions how special it would be to have the first female president.

The first female president and it's a woman who's entire political career is based on being the wife of a popular former president. This is something you expect from a banana republic, not the USA. Whats next, Michelle Obama 2024?

I am enjoying the hell out of this US presidential race though. You guys do entertainment right, that's for sure.
It's odd.

I mean, list her accomplishments. I'll wait.

I can tell you plenty of things she ****ed up though, including her marriage, although the Clintons have more of a contract marriage now more than anything.

[falc39]

Sad to say, this is Hillary's race to lose.

As a registered Republican, I'm gonna vote for the only anti-war, bank, establishment and foreign aid candidate that has a track record to prove it, and that's Rand Paul. Shame he won't even come close to sniffing the nomination though.

Same here. I do not see any viable candidate on both sides other than Rand Paul. The republican party keeps rejecting his anti-establishment views and it will continue to haunt them every election... They just can't learn their lesson.

[NumberSix]

It's odd.

I mean, list her accomplishments. I'll wait.

I can tell you plenty of things she ****ed up though, including her marriage, although the Clintons have more of a contract marriage now more than anything.
She's a coattail rider.

[UK2K]

She's a coattail rider.

She has done an excellent job of that thus far.

[Derka]

Hillary Clinton being the frontrunner is weirdly regressive to me, especially considering she constantly champions how special it would be to have the first female president.

The first female president and it's a woman who's entire political career is based on being the wife of a popular former president. This is something you expect from a banana republic, not the USA. Whats next, Michelle Obama 2024?

I am enjoying the hell out of this US presidential race though. You guys do entertainment right, that's for sure.
It shouldn't surprise you. As George Carlin once said, America's leading industry is the manufacturing, packaging, distribution and marketing of bullshit. The only logical progression from that is seeing a slimy businessman/overall piece of shit reality TV star and the sex scandal wife/career liar are leading in presidential polls.

The process is just for entertainment, which is why its so fitting seeing Clinton and Trump at the top for all their various faults and insanities. That's all they are: entertainers to get the crowds worked up and frothy so they won't see how badly the business interests that own this country are f*cking them.

[ThePhantomCreep]

It's odd.

I mean, list her accomplishments. I'll wait.

I can tell you plenty of things she ****ed up though, including her marriage, although the Clintons have more of a contract marriage now more than anything.
Amazing that conservatives ask this of a former US Senator and Secretary of State. As flawed as Hillary is, she's one of the most accomplished candidates left standing.

Care to list the accomplishments of the current GOP frontrunner, the "You're Fired" guy?

He built golf courses and sold steaks?
He hosted Wrestlemania IV and V at his casino in Atlantic City?
He had his own board game (that flopped)?

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White House material?!! Trump is a punchline.

[~primetime~]

White House material?!! Trump is a punchline.

literally...

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[BoutPractice]

Derka > But it doesn't have to be that way.

The success of Sanders in the polls shows that more people know what's up than you think... And it's not unlikely a Sanders like electoral strategy ends up working (if not for Sanders then for someone else).

It's certainly worked in the past - just look at late 19th - 20th century progressivism or New Deal liberalism. Both movements were about altering the balance of power between the large majority of citizens and big money interests. Both had broad popular support, and achieved significant practical results that left everyone better off...

Progressive era politicians fought back against corruption and child labour... busted cartels, secured union rights, reduced working hours, made food and drugs safer. The New Deal broke up the large banks, protected collective bargaining rights, established social security, etc.

I sometimes wish Sanders would mention the Roosevelts more. What he's proposing isn't that radical and new. It's much more reasonable and pragmatic than his depiction as a "socialist" implies, and basically amounts to a 21st century rebranding of populist progressivism. Americans are suspicious of socialism, but they very much like the specifics of the Roosevelts' domestic legacy... Sanders and Warren belong to that tradition domestically, and have the added advantage of not being war-mongerers when it comes to foreign policy.

Sanders' "socialism" isn't the socialism they warned you about in the textbooks. What's great about the American imagination (political and otherwise) is its tendency towards the practical and the constructive. From the founding days to today's Silicon Valley America has shown it can both dream up the wildest, most radical idea imaginable... and find the best way of actually implementing that idea in reality without burning the whole place down. Furthermore, if the idea fails, it quickly bounces back by trying something else.

[LJJ]

Amazing that conservatives ask this of a former US Senator and Secretary of State. As flawed as Hillary is, she's one of the most accomplished candidates left standing.

Please. She is the Isabel Peron, the Jiang Qing of US politics. Married Bill Clinton and nagged him for political power. What an accomplishment.

[Take Your Lumps]

Lol. Sanders is now up 8 points in Iowa.

It's crystal clear now why the DNC/Hillary added that last-minute town hall on Monday.

[~primetime~]

Please. She is the Isabel Peron, the Jiang Qing of US politics. Married Bill Clinton and nagged him for political power. What an accomplishment.
eh...She is clearly driven, and having lived in the White House 8 years is the best internship for Presidency there could be. She's been prepped for this.

[UK2K]

Lol. Sanders is now up 8 points in Iowa.

It's crystal clear now why the DNC/Hillary added that last-minute town hall on Monday.

Um... put on by the Clinton News Network. Duh.

[UK2K]

eh...She is clearly driven, and having lived in the White House 8 years is the best internship for Presidency there could be. She's been prepped for this.

[QUOTE]If you want to stump a Democrat, ask them to name an accomplishment of Hillary Clinton,

[~primetime~]

Her greatest asset is.. she slept in the White House for 8 years?
Yes, with the best Pres we have seen since probably Kennedy.

It's a great resume piece IMO.


and while she was in the WH with Bill, studying his ways...Trump was making reality TV shows :facepalm

[NumberSix]

Amazing that conservatives ask this of a former US Senator and Secretary of State. As flawed as Hillary is, she's one of the most accomplished candidates left standing.

Care to list the accomplishments of the current GOP frontrunner, the "You're Fired" guy?

He built golf courses and sold steaks?
He hosted Wrestlemania IV and V at his casino in Atlantic City?
He had his own board game (that flopped)?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/60/51/cf/6051cf9e2bd9e986a387dc1dc3d525b9.jpg

White House material?!! Trump is a punchline.
Real talk....

If some corporation offered to pay you a bunch of money to use the name "ThePhantomCreep: The Game" or "ThePhantomCreep Steaks" would you take the offer?

[LJJ]

eh...She is clearly driven, and having lived in the White House 8 years is the best internship for Presidency there could be. She's been prepped for this.

Exactly. That's exactly what these banana republics and corrupt governments always say when they prop up some former leaders wife. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying she is the most laughable candidate. The entire pack is a giant joke. Trump is cartoonesque. Donald Trump running for president still sounds like something straight out of South Park.

That's why, from a distance, I'm just enjoying the free entertainment coming from all of this.

[~primetime~]

Exactly. That's exactly what these banana republics and corrupt governments always say when they prop up some former leaders wife. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying she is the most laughable candidate. The entire pack is a giant joke. Trump is cartoonesque. Donald Trump running for president still sounds like something straight out of South Park.

That's why, from a distance, I'm just enjoying the free entertainment coming from all of this.
Yeah, honestly I don't even like Hilary that much...I just dislike the others more than her. She wins my vote by default.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Real talk....

If some corporation offered to pay you a bunch of money to use the name "ThePhantomCreep: The Game" or "ThePhantomCreep Steaks" would you take the offer?

If I was already rich beyond my wildest dreams and wanted to maintain the image of savvy businessman? Absolutely not. Why would I put my name on business ventures that haven't a hope in hell of being successful? That's dumb. Trump is dumb.

Might as well put Michael Jordan in the White House. There's a man who knows how to protect his name brand.

[Terahite]

Exactly. That's exactly what these banana republics and corrupt governments always say when they prop up some former leaders wife. Don't get me wrong though, I'm not saying she is the most laughable candidate. The entire pack is a giant joke. Trump is cartoonesque. Donald Trump running for president still sounds like something straight out of South Park.

That's why, from a distance, I'm just enjoying the free entertainment coming from all of this.

This says more about you than it does about Trump. You sit on your ass making stupid pop culture references while Trump is campaigning every day, getting shit on constantly by the media and dummies like you who believe everything they're told.

[NumberSix]

If I was already rich beyond my wildest dreams and wanted to maintain the image of savvy businessman? Absolutely not. Why would I put my name on business ventures that haven't a hope in hell of being successful? That's dumb. Trump is dumb.

Might as well put Michael Jordan in the White House. There's a man who knows how to protect his name brand.
Really? Trump makes about $400 million per year. That's like Michael Jordan's entire net worth.

[Terahite]

If I was already rich beyond my wildest dreams and wanted to maintain the image of savvy businessman? Absolutely not. Why would I put my name on business ventures that haven't a hope in hell of being successful? That's dumb. Trump is dumb.

Might as well put Michael Jordan in the White House. There's a man who knows how to protect his name brand.

You are really reaching as usual. You bring nothing to the table. :lol

[enayes]

Really? Trump makes about $400 million per year. That's like Michael Jordan's entire net worth.

Jordan is worth $1BILL thesedays/

[FillJackson]

The first female president and it's a woman who's entire political career is based on being the wife of a popular former president.

Not actually true.

She was President of the Young Republicans at Wellesley.

[ThePhantomCreep]

This says more about you than it does about Trump. You sit on your ass making stupid pop culture references while Trump is campaigning every day, getting shit on constantly by the media and dummies like you who believe everything they're told.

Says the wannabe anti-establishment try hard who actually thinks Trump has chance of following through on his idiotic ideas. Trump fans are the ultimate sheep. You probably think Trump is going to force Apple to assemble iPhones in America too, huh? Dummy.


Jordan is worth $1BILL thesedays/

NumberSix constantly pulls numbers out of his ass. Not only is Trump not making $400 million a year (and he's probably lost money since his campaign started), but Jordan is a self-made billionaire, something Trump isn't.

Not saying that MJ should be president obviously, just pointing that Trump's bank balance hardly make him presidential material. Not with all the failures on his resume. The douche was born on 3rd base and a 10 run lead. Warren Buffet, he ain't.

[Derka]

This says more about you than it does about Trump. You sit on your ass making stupid pop culture references while Trump is campaigning every day, getting shit on constantly by the media and dummies like you who believe everything they're told.
Almost like believing Mexico is going to pay to build a wall, right?

[NumberSix]

Almost like believing Mexico is going to pay to build a wall, right?
Mexico WILL pay for the wall.

I would bet you that Mexico would rather pay for a wall than have all the millions of illegals dumped back into Mexico all at once. I bet you they would make a deal to pay for the wall if the United States agreed to only deport 2 million illegals back to Mexico per year.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Mexico WILL pay for the wall.

I would bet you that Mexico would rather pay for a wall than have all the millions of illegals dumped back into Mexico all at once. I bet you they would make a deal to pay for the wall if the United States agreed to only deport 2 million illegals back to Mexico per year.
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[Draz]

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New bumper stickers

[Terahite]

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New bumper stickers

Those are great I found some of them in your **** hole. :cheers:

Bernie has muttered some decent things that everybody agrees with but truth is he has no respect from ordinary working people like Trump does. No matter what the media or the hipster next to you says Trump is going to rape all opposition. :lol See you at the finish line ******s.

[Draz]

Those are great I found some of them in your **** hole. :cheers:

Bernie has muttered some decent things that everybody agrees with but truth is he has no respect from ordinary working people like Trump does. No matter what the media or the hipster next to you says Trump is going to rape all opposition. :lol See you at the finish line ******s.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[poido123]

Trump or rubio.

Depending on who leads the republicans.

[FillJackson]

Those are great I found some of them in your **** hole. :cheers:

Bernie has muttered some decent things that everybody agrees with but truth is he has no respect from ordinary working people like Trump does. No matter what the media or the hipster next to you says Trump is going to rape all opposition. :lol See you at the finish line ******s.
Any time you run into a Trump voter over the next few months, just realize this is the stuff running through most of their heads. Because they are filled with contempt and obsessed with sexual humiliation, they respond to authoritarians. This contempt and humiliation is mainly about themselves, but they can't admit that, so it's directed outward.