The Bible. Peace on Earth. The Power of Prayer!

[Patrick Chewing]

I have returned from purgatory. From the depths I am saved! Jefferson and his gestapo deemed one of my posts as controversial, but alas, I have escaped the Insidehoops Gulags and have made my way to the promised land.

So for my first thread back, I want to pose the board a question. Is the following statement True or False?

"Bibles aren't allowed in schools anymore, but are encouraged in prison. If children were allowed to read it in school, then perhaps they may not end up in prison."

What say you, ISH? Isn't it funny that we reward prisoners with means to salvation via the holy texts, but can not afford the same reward to God's children on a daily basis?

God Bless you all. You too, Jeff. One love.

[DonDadda59]

Welcome back you worthless piece of dog shit. As much as I didn't miss you, I don't agree with the current snitch culture we have in these parts.

Anyway, on to your question- F*ck you and your fairy tale bullshit. If there's anything that we should've learned as a society dealing with the psychos in the Middle East in recent years it's this:

The World needs less religion, not more.

Thank you and f*ck yo mama.

[ROCSteady]

False.


People end up in prison most of the time because they do illegal things to support themselves and keep doing it when they get out because it's the only trade they know

Reading the Bible, volunteering and being more accepting and loving towards humanity does not alleviate the practicality of needing money in a lot of areas in the US

[ROCSteady]

Welcome back you worthless piece of dog shit. As much as I didn't miss you, I don't agree with the current snitch culture we have in these parts.

Anyway, on to your question- F*ck you and your fairy tale bullshit. If there's anything that we should've learned as a society dealing with the psychos in the Middle East in recent years it's this:

The World needs less religion, not more.

Thank you and f*ck yo mama.


Who Da Snitch?

[Draz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3wZcL9Dx8k

[ROCSteady]

The Game is a well built man

[DonDadda59]

Who Da Snitch?

No clue.

[Nick Young]

The World needs less religion, not more.


When that happens we get things like the French Revolution, the Holocaust, the Pogroms in Stalinist Russia, the cultural revolution and great famine in Mao's China and the killing fields in Cambodia.

Blind belief in science is exactly the same as blind belief in God. Both ideologies lead to mass murder when taken to their extreme.

[Patrick Chewing]

Don needs Jesus.

[DonDadda59]

When that happens we get things like the French Revolution, the Holocaust

France and Germany were both Christian nations by a massive margin. Just because the Nazis rolled into town, doesn't mean they stopped being Christian. 99% of Germany was Christian (66% Protestant, 33% Catholic) when the Nazis seized power, Jews made up less than 1% of the population. Even by 1939, when the Nazis had been firmly in power for years, this is how the population identified religiously:

[B][INDENT]A census in May 1939, six years into the Nazi era[2] and incorporating the annexation of mostly Catholic Austria into Germany, indicates that 54% considered themselves Protestant (including non-denominational Christians), 40% Catholic, 3.5% self-identified as "gottgl

[Nick Young]

Progroms were occurring in Russia long before Lenin or Stalin were even born. The Odessa Progroms of the 19th century-early 20th century occurred when the Orthodox Church was the State religion of the Russian Empire.

I'm talking about the pogroms and death camps under Stalin. The ones that lead to the deaths of atleast 20 million people. Not the Czarist Pogroms.



Do you know anything about the French Revolution? It seems like you don't.


How do you explain away the killing fields in Cambodia? How do you explain away Ho Chi Mingh mass murdering people? How do you explain away the Cultural Revolution in China?


Science is based on observable and testable hypotheses and phenomena. It is no way, shape, or form the same as a belief in a imagined deities.

It's actually very similar, especially when you get in to fields like astronomy and quantum physics.


Your blind belief in scientists is exactly the same as a religious person's blind belief in God.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

LOL I don't snitch on people.

That's your boy Nick's forte.

[DonDadda59]

I'm talking about the pogroms and death camps under Stalin. The ones that lead to the deaths of atleast 20 million people. Not the Czarist Pogroms.

And my point was progroms were happening in Russia long before Stalin was even born, back when Russia had an official State religion (Russian Orthodox). Progroms weren't something new or unique to the commies in Russia.


Do you know anything about the French Revolution? It seems like you don't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRmc9IPGmiA

How much do you know about the Inquisitions? :confusedshrug:




How do you explain away the killing fields in Cambodia? How do you explain away Ho Chi Mingh mass murdering people? How do you explain away the Cultural Revolution in China?

Crazy muhphuckas gaining power and then getting rid of their enemies. Pretty simple explanation.

The Roman Catholic Leopold II of Belgium was responsible for the extermination of 10-15 million people in the Congo Free State.

The Muslim Ottoman Empire tried to eradicate a number of different peoples to the tune of many million.




It's actually very similar, especially when you get in to fields like astronomy and quantum physics.

This the part where you make believe the same book that claims the Earth has 4 corners predicted the Big Bang (The Standard Model having been tested in reality by the Large Hadron Collider experiments)? :roll:


Your blind belief in scientists is exactly the same as a religious person's blind belief in God.

Only an idiot would believe that.

[Patrick Chewing]

Don, science cannot disprove the existence in a higher power. Besides, your original gripe was with Religion wasn't it? You don't need religion to understand or believe in Creationism.

Religion is just the tool to get you closer to an understanding of your existence and perhaps purpose. The mere fact that this angers you to the point of vitriol is quite sad actually. If you were more "enlightened" than the common religious man, then you know damn well you would not be acting the way you are acting.

You simply would not care one way or the other. But this religious thing, this God thing sure does bother you.

Pray with me, brother.

[senelcoolidge]

It seems like some of these muslim boys are snitches...oh and Cavs. They can't tolerate opposing opinions or to put it bluntly the truth so they snitch and get people banned. They have threads taken down because it hurts their feelings. pu$$ies.

[Nick Young]

And my point was progroms were happening in Russia long before Stalin was even born, back when Russia had an official State religion (Russian Orthodox). Progroms weren't something new or unique to the commies in Russia.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRmc9IPGmiA

How much do you know about the Inquisitions? :confusedshrug:





Crazy muhphuckas gaining power and then getting rid of their enemies. Pretty simple explanation.

The Roman Catholic Leopold II of Belgium was responsible for the extermination of 10-15 million people in the Congo Free State.

The Muslim Ottoman Empire tried to eradicate a number of different peoples to the tune of many million.




This the part where you make believe the same book that claims the Earth has 4 corners predicted the Big Bang (The Standard Model having been tested in reality by the Large Hadron Collider experiments)? :roll:



Only an idiot would believe that.

Deathcount under Stalinst Russian pogroms was exponentially higher than under the Czarists.

And higher than anything the Ottomans ever did.

Deathcount in the French revolution was higher than the combined hundreds of years of Inquisitions in Europe

The Godless Cultural Revolution in China lead to the starvation and death of at least 80 million Chinese people.


Do you see a trend?

[Patrick Chewing]

Look at all your responses, Don. You're bordering on Douchewallace level where every post you make is some angry rant.

I will point out though that you're a hypocrite. You never get this hot and bothered when the Muzzies are talking about their religion. In fact, you stand in and defend them. But that's besides the point. I know your character.

So you're telling me that Religion and the belief in a higher power/Creationism go hand in hand?? Have you not heard of Deism, Spiritualism, etc.??

[DonDadda59]

Look at all your responses, Don. You're bordering on Douchewallace level where every post you make is some angry rant.

I just don't like you personally. I can't help it. :confusedshrug:


I will point out though that you're a hypocrite. You never get this hot and bothered when the Muzzies are talking about their religion. In fact, you stand in and defend them. But that's besides the point. I know your character.

Bruh, I've been documenting every major ISIS loss on this site for weeks. The World needs less religion and the Middle East is a perfect example of this. It especially does not need a whacked out orthodox interpretation ala what Al Baghdadi is pushing.


So you're telling me that Religion and the belief in a higher power/Creationism go hand in hand?? Have you not heard of Deism, Spiritualism, etc.??

Again, religion does not necessarily equate organized religion.

[Nick Young]

I just don't like you personally. I can't help it. :confusedshrug:



Bruh, I've been documenting every major ISIS loss on this site for weeks. The World needs less religion and the Middle East is a perfect example of this. It especially does not need a whacked out orthodox interpretation ala what Al Baghdadi is pushing.



Again, religion does not necessarily equate organized religion.
No religion=North Korea, Mao's China and Stalinist Russia.

[Patrick Chewing]

I just don't like you personally. I can't help it. :confusedshrug:




That's fine, bro. Just know this. I'd whoop your Blacktivist ass in no time.

You got that face that just needs a good beating.

[DonDadda59]

That's fine, bro. Just know this. I'd whoop your Blacktivist ass in no time.

You got that face that just needs a good beating.

And yet you still have never posted your pic you self-hating brown bastard.

Clutching your little cap gun and your bible, living like a White hick in Mississippi. You're not scaring anyone you fool. :lol

[Terahite]

Clutching your little cap gun and your bible, living like a White hick in Mississippi. You're not scaring anyone you fool. :lol

Do you get all of your characterizations of people from cable TV? You sound like a fukin idiot. :lol

[ThePhantomCreep]

Is Team Christianity arguing that their book of fairy tales is the bestest book in all the world? :facepalm

Is that bible-thumping right-winger Nick Young trying to argue that totalitarian governments are the offshoot of science? Am I interpreting his horseshit correctly? :coleman:

[ROCSteady]

Chewing Just Post Your Pic Brah.

[DonDadda59]

Do you get all of your characterizations of people from cable TV? You sound like a fukin idiot. :lol

Whose alt is this? Go take a walk, scrub.

[Nick Young]

Is Team Christianity arguing that their book of fairy tales is the bestest book in all the world? :facepalm

Is that bible-thumping right-winger :coleman:
I don't believe in the New Testament so it's not really accurate to call me a "bible-thumper". As a work of literature, the bible is one of the greatest books of wisdom ever written and has lasted a millenium. Only a complete moron would mock it. Mocking the bible is the same as mocking Plato's Republic or War and Peace or the Grapes of Wrath.



Nick Young trying to argue that totalitarian governments are the offshoot of science? Am I interpreting his horseshit correctly?
No. that is not what I'm trying to argue. Do you know how to read?




This is what I have said.


1. North Korea, Stalinist Russia, and Mao's China are all nation states where religion is absent.

The French Revolution and the Reign of Terror occurred after they denounced religion.


That is what I have said. Do you refute these points?


Unit 731 was an offshoot of science that occurred under a regime where religion was absent.

[falc39]

Why is it that so many people see science and religion as mutually exclusive? Even when I was young, it wasn't hard to see that they both serve different purposes and functions to an individual and to a society as a whole.

Human beings killing each other and succumbing to violence isn't anything new and has been around since the beginning. There are other contributing factors like competition for resources, greed/lust for power, etc. If anything, many of the organized religions in their historical context attempted to restrain these habits in society and establish an order of moral permanence.

Here's an article that I read today discovering a find of evidence for ancient warfare:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/10000-year-old-bones-may-be-earliest-evidence-of-warfare/

Humans going to human in certain situations. That's just a fact of life and the nature of survival and competition, regardless of organized religion being present or not..

[Im Still Ballin]

Don worships science like Catholics worship God

The scientific method in its pure form, is objective sound logic and reasoning. BUT it can and does get exploited for political means. Government grants and funding is a huge issue. There is a natural bias with government funded sciences.

Science worship in the political ethosphere has very much become like Catholicism at its political and influential peak. Climate Change sciences is a good example. We know that data has been tampered with time and time again. Do you not understand the fraudulence and exploitation of science then?

[Nick Young]

Don worships science like Catholics worship God

Exactly. Blind belief in science is no different than the blind belief in a supernatural God.


Atheism is just another word for the Church of Science.

[ROCSteady]

I just wish science and religion would manifest into giant, individual anthropomorphic beings one day that fought like at the end of a Power Rangers episode.


The winner would get my loyalty, love and affection no questions asked.

This needs to happen as it could save many minds, bodies and souls

[poido123]

It seems like some of these muslim boys are snitches...oh and Cavs. They can't tolerate opposing opinions or to put it bluntly the truth so they snitch and get people banned. They have threads taken down because it hurts their feelings. pu$$ies.



Damn straight.


One of those POS got me banned for calling them scum.

In today's climate of extreme and frequent violence at the hands of Muslims, is that really uncalled for?


I won't be saying that to them anymore, but I won't be silenced to suit their suppression agenda.

[Nick Young]

I just wish science and religion would manifest into giant, individual anthropomorphic beings one day that fought like at the end of a Power Rangers episode.


The winner would get my loyalty, love and affection no questions asked.

This needs to happen as it could save many minds, bodies and souls
http://cdn2-www.craveonline.com/assets/uploads/2013/06/Godzilla-vs-Mechagodzilla-fight.jpg

[poido123]

I just don't like you personally. I can't help it. :confusedshrug:



Bruh, I've been documenting every major ISIS loss on this site for weeks. The World needs less religion and the Middle East is a perfect example of this. It especially does not need a whacked out orthodox interpretation ala what Al Baghdadi is pushing.



Again, religion does not necessarily equate organized religion.



Chewing has a point.


You make out that you are forming a 'balanced opinion' being the atheist you are, but it's anything but that.


You need to send the hammer down more on these misbehaving immigrants, the Islamification of the West/Europe and exposing the lies Obama is covering.


Just admit it, you are more against Christianity than you are Islam. At least be honest about it.

:confusedshrug:

[ThePhantomCreep]

I don't believe in the New Testament so it's not really accurate to call me a "bible-thumper". As a work of literature, the bible is one of the greatest books of wisdom ever written and has lasted a millenium. Only a complete moron would mock it. Mocking the bible is the same as mocking Plato's Republic or War and Peace or the Grapes of Wrath.
We went over this the other day. The Old Testament may have been well-written for its time, but it does not hold up well to scrutiny. The Book of Job, which you touted as a masterwork, is a perfect example of storytelling at its worst.



1. North Korea, Stalinist Russia, and Mao's China are all nation states where religion is absent.

The French Revolution and the Reign of Terror occurred after they denounced religion. How is this pertinent to the "religion vs science" debate? Classic Bible-thumper move - - trot out Mao and Stalin as examples of atheism run amok. Somehow, we need Christianity to holds society together? Is that your argument? :facepalm

[ROCSteady]

http://cdn2-www.craveonline.com/assets/uploads/2013/06/Godzilla-vs-Mechagodzilla-fight.jpg
That's what I'm saying!

Think of all the e-blood that wouldn't be shed and all the brothers who wouldn't have to look across enemy lines just to see fam.

Noting's ever apparent on Earth, fck science and God for that. Gimmie my spiritual kaiju versus the engineered consistency of the Newton bot.


Fight of the Cosmic Calendar fa sho

[Nick Young]

That's what I'm saying!

Think of all the e-blood that wouldn't be shed and all the brothers who wouldn't have to look across enemy lines just to see fam.

Noting's ever apparent on Earth, fck science and God for that. Gimmie my spiritual kaiju versus the engineered consistency of the Newton bot.


Fight of the Cosmic Calendar fa sho
Pretty sure that's what happens in the Book of Revelation.

[Nick Young]

We went over this the other. The Old Testament may have been well-written for its time, but it does not hold up well to scrutiny. The Book of Job, which you touted as a masterwork, is a perfect example of storytelling at its worst.

How is this pertinent to the "religion vs science" debate? Classic Bible-thumper move - - trot out Mao and Stalin as examples of atheism run amok. Somehow, we need Christianity to holds society together? Is that your argument? :facepalm
First off, I'm Jewish dumbass. No, I don't think "we need Christianity to hold society together". I never once said that. Stop with your retarded straw man attacks.


North Korea denounced religion completely.
The French Revolutionary government denounced religion completely.
Mao's China denounced religion completely.
Stalinist Russia denounced religion completely.


What happened in these societies?:confusedshrug:

[ThePhantomCreep]

Exactly. Blind belief in science is no different than the blind belief in a supernatural God.


Atheism is just another word for the Church of Science.

"Blind belief in science" sounds like something you made up so that your blind belief in a supernatural God doesn't look so idiotic. Nice try.

[ROCSteady]

Pretty sure that's what happens in the Book of Revelation.

Nah I'm not talking Jesus vs the Dragon.


I wanna see GOD fight (not the son/person incarnate copout) in some perceivable form versus every branch of science intertwined together in some comparable form, maybe like a more complex technological version of Groot.

Mankind was so vapid and daft to think of Pac vs Mayweather or Holyfield-Tyson as the true main card.

[DonDadda59]

Chewing has a point.


You make out that you are forming a 'balanced opinion' being the atheist you are, but it's anything but that.


You need to send the hammer down more on these misbehaving immigrants, the Islamification of the West/Europe and exposing the lies Obama is covering.


Just admit it, you are more against Christianity than you are Islam. At least be honest about it.

:confusedshrug:

Absolutely hilarious that people who push religion spend all day everyday here talking negatively about religion. :lol

You want to know about every single rape committed in random cities in Europe (Only committed by Muslims, that is)? Nick Young's doing the Spotlight story on that. Need someone to remind you just how much the Muzzies are savages with no humanity? Chewing wrote the book on them.

F*cking priceless.


Exactly. Blind belief in science is no different than the blind belief in a supernatural God.


Atheism is just another word for the Church of Science.

:facepalm

If you took some illiterate but pious goat herder from 2,000+ years ago and Neil DeGrasse Tyson and showed them an open fire somewhere and asked them to explain what fire is, who do you think will come up with the right answer?

I'm going to bet money against the guy who has no clue where the Sun goes at night and fears it may not come back again.

The reason we're all able to converse with one another via computers, phones, etc from all over the globe isn't because someone prayed for it to happen.

[Im Still Ballin]

"Blind belief in science" sounds like something you made up so that your blind belief in a supernatural God doesn't look so idiotic. Nice try.
It's true though. The scientific method gets exploited all the time. The average person doesn't know shit about how the process works, and how scientific conclusions are made. They just see science and bow down to it's holy might. Then you get scientists (AKA the new priests) and critical thinkers who break down the process, and then this is where corruption via money comes into play. If you oppose the political stance on any scientific issue, you get blackballed. You don't get government grants. You don't get funding. I mean I haven't even mentioned the data tampering. We know this happens all the time.

Science is exploited time and time again.

[Nick Young]

We went over this the other. The Old Testament may have been well-written for its time, but it does not hold up well to scrutiny. The Book of Job, which you touted as a masterwork, is a perfect example of storytelling at its worst.
Quotes about the Bible





"the greatest poem of ancient and modern times"
-Alfred, Lord Tennyson



"The Bible should be taught, but emphatically not as reality. It is fiction, myth, poetry, anything but reality. As such it needs to be taught because it underlies so much of our literature and our culture."
-Richard Dawkins



The Bible shows the way to go to heaven, not the way the heavens go.
-Galileo Galilei


The book to read is not the one which thinks for you, but the one which makes you think. No book in the world equals the Bible for that.
-Harper Lee




"There are more sure marks of authenticity in the Bible that in any profane history."
-Isaac Newton


"It ain't those parts of the Bible that I can't understand that bother me, it is the parts that I do understand."
-Mark Twain




"The Bible is a sanctum; the world, sputum."
-Franz Kafka




You are smarter and a better judge of literature than all of these people who read the bible. You are truly the great paragon of knowledge on this planet. Your presence on ISH blesses us all!

[Nick Young]

Nah I'm not talking Jesus vs the Dragon.


I wanna see GOD fight (not the son/person incarnate copout) in some perceivable form versus every branch of science intertwined together in some comparable form, maybe like a more complex technological version of Groot.

Mankind was so vapid and daft to think of Pac vs Mayweather or Holyfield-Tyson as the true main card.
That would be a cool story. God lays down the challenge and gives humanity 20 years to get its shit together and create a giant robot that is capable of going toe to toe with God in a battle to the death. If the robot wins, humans get eternal utopia.

If God wins, he floods the planet again.

[Nick Young]

"Blind belief in science" sounds like something you made up so that your blind belief in a supernatural God doesn't look so idiotic. Nice try.

North Korea denounced religion completely.
The French Revolutionary government denounced religion completely.
Mao's China denounced religion completely.
Stalinist Russia denounced religion completely.


What happened in these societies?

Like I said, your blind belief in science is no different from a Mississippi Protestant yokel's in blind belief in the Bible.


You are putting your complete trust and faith in to something that you have close to zero understanding of. You just blindly trust in the scientific process, and also believe that belief in science will lead to the betterment of all humanity.

You and the followers of your religion of science are right, and the followers of these blasphemous religions are wrong!

It is blasphemy to question the faith of science! Anyone who does is a blasphemer!

[poido123]

Absolutely hilarious that people who push religion spend all day everyday here talking negatively about religion. :lol

You want to know about every single rape committed in random cities in Europe (Only committed by Muslims, that is)? Nick Young's doing the Spotlight story on that. Need someone to remind you just how much the Muzzies are savages with no humanity? Chewing wrote the book on them.

F*cking priceless.



:facepalm

If you took some illiterate but pious goat herder from 2,000+ years ago and Neil DeGrasse Tyson and showed them an open fire somewhere and asked them to explain what fire is, who do you think will come up with the right answer?

I'm going to bet money against the guy who has no clue where the Sun goes at night and fears it may not come back again.

The reason we're all able to converse with one another via computers, phones, etc from all over the globe isn't because someone prayed for it to happen.



These are political-religious crimes committed in the name of a cult known as Islam. There's one thing where a crazy guy commits a murder or a rape, but it's another thing when a religion fuels that assurance to commit the crime and even CONDONES the act of rape as a justification for one's religion.


There's are similarites to what fuels the KKK as the equivalent to ISIS, only that I think Islamic extremism is a lot more widespread and underplayed than most people believe it to be. And I think disturbing behaviours within Islamic culture and 'moderates' supporting extremism is a lot more prevelant than what politicians and lefties like to believe.


It isn't edgy enough for you to hammer on about the Muslims. You want to be different and be unique. Good for you! But choose something less destructive to mankind to be 'different'.

[Nick Young]

It's true though. The scientific method gets exploited all the time. The average person doesn't know shit about how the process works, and how scientific conclusions are made. They just see science and bow down to it's holy might. Then you get scientists (AKA the new priests) and critical thinkers who break down the process, and then this is where corruption via money comes into play. If you oppose the political stance on any scientific issue, you get blackballed. You don't get government grants. You don't get funding. I mean I haven't even mentioned the data tampering. We know this happens all the time.

Science is exploited time and time again.
:cheers:

ThePhantomCreep doesn't know shit about science. But he is happy to put his blind faith and belief in to the scientific process.


No different from a goat farmer 2000 years ago deciding to put his blind belief in the story of Jesus.

[DonDadda59]

These are political-religious crimes committed in the name of a cult known as Islam. There's one thing where a crazy guy commits a murder or a rape, but it's another thing when a religion fuels that assurance to commit the crime and even CONDONES the act of rape as a justification for one's religion.


There's are similarites to what fuels the KKK as the equivalent to ISIS, only that I think Islamic extremism is a lot more widespread and underplayed than most people believe it to be. And I think disturbing behaviours within Islamic culture and 'moderates' supporting extremism is a lot more prevelant than what politicians and lefties like to believe.


It isn't edgy enough for you to hammer on about the Muslims. You want to be different and be unique. Good for you! But choose something less destructive to mankind to be 'different'.

No one has posted about the U.S. and their coalition partners' efforts against ISIS more than ya boy Dadda. This is a FACT.

But all the religious, science-hating nuts here... feel free to throw away your laptops and I-phones that materialized not through scientific innovation but your prayers and fairy gum drop wishes... I'm sure you can talk to us on ISH same way you talk to the Wizard in space who created all this.

https://ghostradio.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/telepathy.gif

:applause:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

So.. who wants to reconcile?

[ThePhantomCreep]

It's true though. The scientific method gets exploited all the time. The average person doesn't know shit about how the process works, and how scientific conclusions are made. They just see science and bow down to it's holy might. Then you get scientists (AKA the new priests) and critical thinkers who break down the process, and then this is where corruption via money comes into play. If you oppose the political stance on any scientific issue, you get blackballed. You don't get government grants. You don't get funding. I mean I haven't even mentioned the data tampering. We know this happens all the time.

Science is exploited time and time again.

I wish scientists had the political power you claim they do. If only. Unfortunately, I live in a country where 3 in 10 people believe the Bible is historically accurate(:facepalm x infinity), and funding for things like fetal tissue research (which has led to some of the most profound medical breakthroughs of the modern era) get cut off at the knees because "it kills deh babies".

People have to suffer and die needlessly, all because our politicians have millions of religious nut jobs they need to pander to.

[Nick Young]

http://images.huffingtonpost.com/2014-07-20-Thankstomuslimvillage.jpg

[ROCSteady]

That would be a cool story. God lays down the challenge and gives humanity 20 years to get its shit together and create a giant robot that is capable of going toe to toe with God in a battle to the death. If the robot wins, humans get eternal utopia.

If God wins, he floods the planet again.

Co-Screenwriters?

[Nick Young]

I wish scientists had the political power you claim they do. If only. Unfortunately, I live in a country where 3 in 10 people believe the Bible is historically accurate(:facepalm x infinity), and things like tissue cell research (which has led to some of the most profound medical breakthroughs of the modern era) get cut off at the knees because "it kills deh babies".

People have to suffer and die needlessly, all because our politicians have millions of religious nut jobs they need to pander to.
That means you live in a country where 7/10 don't think the bible is historically accurate, you f*cking retard:hammerhead: Isn't that what you want?

Stem cell research does kill fetuses. Do I want stem cell research to be hindered? Hell no. I'm down as phuck for stem cell research.


Carry on with it. Are fetuses alive? Yes that is pretty undeniable. Do I personally think that stem cell research is baby murder? No.


But it very well could be one of those things where 100 years from now people look back on us as monsters whose scientists murdered babies by the millions in the name of scientific progress. Who f*cking knows? I don't. You sure as f*ck don't.

[Nick Young]

Co-Screenwriters?
Yep, we Damon and Affleck this shit and laugh our way to the bank

[poido123]

No one has posted about the U.S. and their coalition partners' efforts against ISIS more than ya boy Dadda. This is a FACT.

But all the religious, science-hating nuts here... feel free to throw away your laptops and I-phones that materialized not through scientific innovation but your prayers and fairy gum drop wishes... I'm sure you can talk to us on ISH same way you talk to the Wizard in space who created all this.

https://ghostradio.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/telepathy.gif

:applause:



You want this to go down an anti-christian path and bash the bible, like you have done many times before.


Still waiting on the same efforts put into slamming the Quran.


:sleeping

[ROCSteady]

Yep, we Damon and Affleck this shit and laugh our way to the bank

Matching tuxedos and homosexuality rumors for the next 30 years fam :pimp:

[ThePhantomCreep]

:cheers:

ThePhantomCreep doesn't know shit about science. But he is happy to put his blind faith and belief in to the scientific process.


No different from a goat farmer 2000 years ago deciding to put his blind belief in the story of Jesus.

I hope you never wind up in an emergency room, but if you do, let's see how much of a science skeptic you or that idiot Patrick Chewing are in that situation.

I doubt your book with the talking donkey will be of much help.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/malice1.JPG
I am God. :oldlol:

[poido123]

I hope you never wind up in an emergency room, but if you do, let's see how much of a science skeptic you or that idiot Patrick Chewing are in that situation.

I doubt your book with the talking donkey will be of much help.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/malice1.JPG
I am God. :oldlol:



When you are knocking on death's door, I know the b.tch who will be screaming for someone's mercy.



:oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

I hope you never wind up in an emergency room, but if you do, let's see how much of a science skeptic you or that idiot Patrick Chewing are in that situation.

I doubt your book with the talking donkey will be of much help.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/malice1.JPG
I am God. :oldlol:

Faith healers who let their kids die, often times from easily treatable conditions, because they fear Science and think some Lord of the Rings character will save them if they ask nicely enough should all be given life without parole.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/local/Faith-Healing-Churches-Linked-to-Two-Dozen-Child-Deaths-208745201.html

http://www.vocativ.com/culture/religion/faith-healing-deaths/

http://time.com/8750/faith-healing-parents-jailed-after-second-childs-death/

:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[Nick Young]

I hope you never wind up in an emergency room, but if you do, let's see how much of a science skeptic you or that idiot Patrick Chewing are in that situation.

I doubt your book with the talking donkey will be of much help.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/malice1.JPG
I am God. :oldlol:
There is no reason that religious philosophy and scientific philosophy cannot coexist side by side peacefully.

I personally don't believe that science is dangerous to religion or undermines it or anything like that. I personally believe that they work side by side perfectly.

Extremist belief in either direction is retarded. Like all things, the middle path is best.

[imdaman99]

E-terrorists reforming, ain't got a problem with it :confusedshrug:

Do you :cheers:

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I just wish science and religion would manifest into giant, individual anthropomorphic beings one day that fought like at the end of a Power Rangers episode.


The winner would get my loyalty, love and affection no questions asked.

This needs to happen as it could save many minds, bodies and souls

And it shall.

To men of faith and reason! :cheers:

Which is pretty much most civilization-builders in history.

[Nick Young]

^ Wise words

[Dresta]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]France and Germany were both Christian nations by a massive margin. Just because the Nazis rolled into town, doesn't mean they stopped being Christian. 99% of Germany was Christian (66% Protestant, 33% Catholic) when the Nazis seized power, Jews made up less than 1% of the population. Even by 1939, when the Nazis had been firmly in power for years, this is how the population identified religiously:

[B][INDENT]A census in May 1939, six years into the Nazi era[2] and incorporating the annexation of mostly Catholic Austria into Germany, indicates that 54% considered themselves Protestant (including non-denominational Christians), 40% Catholic, 3.5% self-identified as "gottgl

[poido123]

More stupidity from you. Jacobinism and Nazism (and indeed Bolshevism and all revolutionary ideologies) made the destruction of the Christian belief system their sine qua non (because they needed to destroy the existing belief-system so they could replace it with their own) - read up about the desecration of churches during the French Revolution, or how the Nazis behaved towards the Church, or indeed the Bolsheviks. Calling any of these people Christian, when Christianity is the number 1 thing they repudiated, is truly the height of folly and historical ignorance. Take just one look at what the Nazis did to the church in Poland. The aim of these people was to so debase and desecrate the church so badly that no-one could from that point on properly respect and associate with it. How do you post that wikipedia link as if it proves anything while ignoring this one, which catalogues the long list of nazi abuse that churches and priests suffered:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_persecution_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Germany

?

As for your babbling about making science the sole basis by which we live and conduct our lives, our guide for moral understanding, and so on. Well, that's just absurd; science is based on empirical deductions: it cannot make a priori assumptions of value, and it is foolish to pretend that it can. Hence the need for something else, which is why people like you construct these ridiculous belief systems that prevent you from even taking the questions of religion (or even ethics) seriously. Honestly, you're so intoxicated with irrational belief, that you cannot even understand these questions, or think they don't even exist.

I can also answer you with a quote from the Bible:



This actually repudiated your childish position, logically, like 3,000 years ago :roll: - I guess you aren't as advanced and forward-looking as you like to think :confusedshrug:.



:roll:


That word mastery and genius intellect. Doodaddy RIP

[Dresta]

If you took some illiterate but pious goat herder from 2,000+ years ago and Neil DeGrasse Tyson and showed them an open fire somewhere and asked them to explain what fire is, who do you think will come up with the right answer?


What is this garbage? Why are proposing such idiotic hypotheticals? And why fire rather than the eternal conundrum of human nature, meaning and purpose? On those subjects i'd take Aeschylus (from 2500 years ago) over NDT every single time, as would i take the authors of the Old Testament over him.

These questions cannot be answered by science. You should read someone like Babbitt, who was not even religious, but well-acknowledged the truths you are so intent on denying:

e.g.

[QUOTE] "The greatest of vices according to Buddha is the lazy yielding to the impulses of temperament (pam

[Dresta]

Is Team Christianity arguing that their book of fairy tales is the bestest book in all the world? :facepalm

Is that bible-thumping right-winger Nick Young trying to argue that totalitarian governments are the offshoot of science? Am I interpreting his horseshit correctly? :coleman:
Not technically science, but definitely the pseudo-science that you take to be science. All these totalist forms of government started with the assumptions (derived from rationalistic 'science'):

1. There is no God, no divine law or justice, and thus the state is absolute and justice must be sought in the present, not the hereafter (an impossible goal that always leads to abuse, because earthly justice is completely unattainable, and anyone who has read even a bit of history can recognise that fact). Material existence is the only existence - we are the simple product of material processes.

2. Contingent on 1: there is no such thing as inherent human dignity. Thus in the materialist system of the totalist states, the human individual becomes only a means to an end, and therefore expendable in the eternal quest for the 'greater good.' As these states fail to ever reach their goals, they become increasingly vicious in suppressing dissenters, those people who threaten the great and glorious future to come (this kind of sounds similar to your rants about conservatives tbh).

3. This is the natural result of establishing a system of government solely on a belief in rationality and reason - no such construction has ever been successful or humane, nor can it be, because it seeks to deny essentially human qualities, and to change human beings into something that they're not.

This is all well captured by Arthur Koestler's Darkness at Noon - a man who speaks from experience, being a former Communist himself. It is the natural logic of a materialist system to simply eliminate those who obstruct the path to earthly paradise.

[UK2K]

Bruh, I've been documenting every major ISIS loss on this site for weeks. The World needs less religion and the Middle East is a perfect example of this. It

Religion created the United States.

We don't need less religion, we need less of THAT religion.

Some on this board want to claim ISIS is a perversion of Islam. I would argue the Crusades should be considered the same thing, but those who defend it will never admit that.

To be honest, I see Islam as a plague. Not because there's anything wrong with Islam, but because it seems that those indoctrinated by Islam tend to be the dumbest people on the planet, easily manipulated into committing horrible atrocities.

To those in the Middle East, Islam is like the Book of Eli. Nobody can read it, they just listen to whatever they're told.

It's a mixture of religion and lack of education, lack of thought, lack of intelligence, that becomes dangerous.

I am an atheist myself. I don't believe in any higher being. However, to ignore the cultural positives of Christianity and what it has led to is just being disingenuous.

[poido123]

Religion created the United States.

We don't need less religion, we need less of THAT religion.

Some on this board want to claim ISIS is a perversion of Islam. I would argue the Crusades should be considered the same thing, but those who defend it will never admit that.

To be honest, I see Islam as a plague. Not because there's anything wrong with Islam, but because it seems that those indoctrinated by Islam tend to be the dumbest people on the planet, easily manipulated into committing horrible atrocities.

To those in the Middle East, Islam is like the Book of Eli. Nobody can read it, they just listen to whatever they're told.

It's a mixture of religion and lack of education, lack of thought, lack of intelligence, that becomes dangerous.

I am an atheist myself. I don't believe in any higher being. However, to ignore the cultural positives of Christianity and what it has led to is just being disingenuous.



Exactly.


What do we look to do with dangerous and potentially pandemic viruses in society?


We look to contain it and eradicate it. Why?


Because it will kill us. This is a world threat. A political centric religion that has potential to spread to millions and millions of people and a killing tool for many uneducated and brainwashed people. Basically the vulnerable.


If Islam isn't what a cult is, I'd like to see an argument that suggests that it isn't?

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

To be honest, I see Islam as a plague. Not because there's anything wrong with Islam, but because it seems that those indoctrinated by Islam tend to be the dumbest people on the planet, easily manipulated into committing horrible atrocities.

To those in the Middle East, Islam is like the Book of Eli. Nobody can read it, they just listen to whatever they're told.

It's a mixture of religion and lack of education, lack of thought, lack of intelligence, that becomes dangerous.


I don't disagree with you, but isn't the military a stronger magnet/environment for humans with those kinds of flaws. Why would a soldier from Kentucky even attempt to make this kind of statement having had witnessed merely 3rd world Afghanistan in a nation with a strong us vs. them mentality (referring to the U.S. gov vs Radical Islam) ; without encountering its counterbalancing nations (in regards to intelligence and peace); Iran, Indonesia, and Muslim scholars?

Also, you perceive Afghanis as backwards and horrendous based on evidence of what you see.
What if I told you that most of truth and reality is what you can not see.
That the true nature of something was almost always hidden.

ANd you KNOW this from basic optical physics; that the color of something is the LIGHT it reflects, and that vision is upside down.

But the heart don't lie. And that's perhaps why you see guys like Roc and Nick having faith in the Bible. The heart knows that which can't really be verbalized and cogitated.


And that the world around you is nothing but a hologram created by the state of that heart; perhaps delayed some.


And present to them the example of the life of this world, [its being] like rain which We send down from the sky, and the vegetation of the earth mingles with it and [then] it becomes dry remnants, scattered by the winds. And Allah is ever, over all things, Perfect in Ability.

Sky = Heavens (Higher Dimensions and Planes that are hidden, superior, more potent)
Rain = Thoughts being descended down from the heavens and materializing into reality
Earth = Corporeal Body and the 3D of the physical plane
Vegatation = Manifestation of growth from the "seeds" of those thoughts

Dry Remnants = Long lost forgotten memories that happen after someone learn their lesson and repented (what was previously fearful is no longer there)
Scattered by the "winds" = I don't have a theory on what this means, but you guys can help because it is said in another Qu'ranic verse that "winds" are slaves to the "clouds."

[Terahite]

Lord almighty, how many times do DonDadda and PhantomCreep need to be exposed by Dresta and others before a ban is issued for trolling? Just when you think you'll never hear from them again after a keen ass-raping you find them in another thread parroting the same bullshit as if nothing ever happened.
:biggums:

[Patrick Chewing]

Why aren't my Muslim brothers backing me up here? Don needs someone in his life. Preferably Jesus.

Look at his behavior on here. Claiming Science is above God?? Look at his negativity. We must show Don the way.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

I hope you never wind up in an emergency room, but if you do, let's see how much of a science skeptic you or that idiot Patrick Chewing are in that situation.

I doubt your book with the talking donkey will be of much help.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/malice1.JPG
I am God. :oldlol:

What you conveniently forgot is:
a) Alec Baldwin's character in that movie never created his flesh, bone, organs, intellect, path, inspired the shelter, the love for learning, the oxygen around him, the plants and animals necessary to sustain nutrition, the world, the dimensions and the billion of other things that God actually controls.

You accredit all good things to the wrong source, Phantom Creep. Moreover, Christians believe that God works THROUGH people (as music flows through instruments) if they submit to His Will. So if they're praying to GOD THAN A SERVANT OF GOD IS COMING TO HELP and yes even Atheists/Nonbelievers can be servants of God for a while as God has power over all things. Comprende?

Heck, DonDadda59 has been the ENZYME of so much strengthened faith on behalf of the ISH believers. That's pretty obvious.


How is this pertinent to the "religion vs science" debate?

Because it's a stupid poorly f*cking premise of a debate to begin with.

1) Truths of the heart, the afterlife, ancient rituals revealed through revelation, the unseen world.
They speak in parables so think to yourself what is the NATURE of the talking donkey.

2) Scientific method, empirical evidence yadda yadda

Understood?

The collisions you see prominent right there will appear more harmonious to you once you become more integrated in character. That integration in Character aka the Heroe's Journey is perfectly stated in walking the Straight Path and being a DIsciple of Jesus.

[Im Still Ballin]

Why aren't my Muslim brothers backing me up here? Don needs someone in his life. Preferably Jesus.

Look at his behavior on here. Claiming Science is above God?? Look at his negativity. We must show Don the way.
Chewster how we doing bro!

Got your back ese'

[Patrick Chewing]

Chewster how we doing bro!

Got your back ese'


People be snitchin' on me up in here. That will not go unpunished.


Lock your doors, hide your kids, I'm gonna be like Omar from The Wire up in this bitch. We got this!

[DonDadda59]

More stupidity from you. Jacobinism and Nazism (and indeed Bolshevism and all revolutionary ideologies) made the destruction of the Christian belief system their sine qua non (because they needed to destroy the existing belief-system so they could replace it with their own) - read up about the desecration of churches during the French Revolution, or how the Nazis behaved towards the Church, or indeed the Bolsheviks. Calling any of these people Christian, when Christianity is the number 1 thing they repudiated, is truly the height of folly and historical ignorance. Take just one look at what the Nazis did to the church in Poland. The aim of these people was to so debase and desecrate the church so badly that no-one could from that point on properly respect and associate with it. How do you post that wikipedia link as if it proves anything while ignoring this one, which catalogues the long list of nazi abuse that churches and priests suffered:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_persecution_of_the_Catholic_Church_in_Germany


Despite the Nazis' best efforts, Germany was virtually 100% Christian and with their annexation of Austria, the population of people identifying as Catholics grew considerably. They weren't trying to get rid of the Catholic Church, only control it directly. Hitler himself was a proponent of Positive Christianity. In Article 24 of the 1920 Nazi platform he wrote "the Party represents the standpoint of Positive Christianity."

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4b/Deutsche_Christen_Flagge.svg

The flag of the Positive Christianity Nazi movement. ^

Hitler personally identified as a Christian on several occasions, including in Mein Kampf.

[INDENT]

[Nick Young]

People be snitchin' on me up in here. That will not go unpunished.


Lock your doors, hide your kids, I'm gonna be like Omar from The Wire up in this bitch. We got this!
Omar from the Wire was a snitch himself, he was snitching to the police by the fourth episode of season 1 I believe.

[Im Still Ballin]

People be snitchin' on me up in here. That will not go unpunished.


Lock your doors, hide your kids, I'm gonna be like Omar from The Wire up in this bitch. We got this!
Don snitched on you FYI

Got your back bro.

[UK2K]

I don't disagree with you, but isn't the military a stronger magnet/environment for humans with those kinds of flaws. Why would a soldier from Kentucky even attempt to make this kind of statement having had witnessed merely 3rd world Afghanistan in a nation with a strong us vs. them mentality (referring to the U.S. gov vs Radical Islam) ; without encountering its counterbalancing nations (in regards to intelligence and peace); Iran, Indonesia, and Muslim scholars?

It wasn't an us vs them mentality at all. I fought alongside plenty of Afghans. They risked their lives for me, and I reciprocated. When bullets start flying, there is no room for what religion you are or what race you are.

And generally, the ones who worked with us, were likely not the ones to have this seemingly more common perversion of Islam in their minds.

And to your point, its actually quite the contrary. Sure, some of the military is the lower end of society. The poor, the dumb, the whatever. But I met more distinguished, innovative individuals in the military than I've ever met in the civilian world. One of the biggest takeaways, for me anyway, from my military service, was the ability to adapt and innovate. Sure you're in lock step in boot camp, but once you're in the mountains, hours (sometimes days) away from the nearest friendly unit, with shit equipment and shit intelligence, you have to improvise. People's lives depend on it. That's the difference between choices in the military and choices in the civilian world. You **** up at your job? Oh well, backspace and re-send it. There are no second chances or do-overs out there.

To be a leader in the military takes a special someone.


Also, you perceive Afghanis as backwards and horrendous based on evidence of what you see.
What if I told you that most of truth and reality is what you can not see.
That the true nature of something was almost always hidden.

Their culture is backwards and horrendous. And stinky, and vile, and disgusting. That doesn't mean everyone there wants to live like that forever, cause they don't. I don't give a **** what any survey says, the vast majority of civilians that I ran into wanted us there, because they were tired of living in mud houses, tired of living without electricity, tired of having to take a dump in their front yard to fertilize their fields.

Those people, I can help. I did help. Until we left, of course. Now, they're on their own, and it breaks my heart to see the news reports coming out of Helmand.



ANd you KNOW this from basic optical physics; that the color of something is the LIGHT it reflects, and that vision is upside down.

But the heart don't lie. And that's perhaps why you see guys like Roc and Nick having faith in the Bible. The heart knows that which can't really be verbalized and cogitated.


And that the world around you is nothing but a hologram created by the state of that heart; perhaps delayed some.


Sky = Heavens (Higher Dimensions and Planes that are hidden, superior, more potent)
Rain = Thoughts being descended down from the heavens and materializing into reality
Earth = Corporeal Body and the 3D of the physical plane
Vegatation = Manifestation of growth from the "seeds" of those thoughts

Dry Remnants = Long lost forgotten memories that happen after someone learn their lesson and repented (what was previously fearful is no longer there)
Scattered by the "winds" = I don't have a theory on what this means, but you guys can help because it is said in another Qu'ranic verse that "winds" are slaves to the "clouds."
As I said before, I am not religious, nor am I spiritual. I live in the here and now. That's why I have no respect for the lazy, the ones who don't care, the ones who don't strive to be anything better.

Because all I know is that where I am right now is real, and to see people wasting their lives away selling their government paid for EBT steak for 50 cents on the dollar for drug money pisses me off.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Not technically science, but definitely the pseudo-science that you take to be science. All these totalist forms of government started with the assumptions (derived from rationalistic 'science'):

1. There is no God, no divine law or justice, and thus the state is absolute and justice must be sought in the present, not the hereafter (an impossible goal that always leads to abuse, because earthly justice is completely unattainable, and anyone who has read even a bit of history can recognise that fact). Material existence is the only existence - we are the simple product of material processes.

2. Contingent on 1: there is no such thing as inherent human dignity. Thus in the materialist system of the totalist states, the human individual becomes only a means to an end, and therefore expendable in the eternal quest for the 'greater good.' As these states fail to ever reach their goals, they become increasingly vicious in suppressing dissenters, those people who threaten the great and glorious future to come (this kind of sounds similar to your rants about conservatives tbh).

3. This is the natural result of establishing a system of government solely on a belief in rationality and reason - no such construction has ever been successful or humane, nor can it be, because it seeks to deny essentially human qualities, and to change human beings into something that they're not.

This is all well captured by Arthur Koestler's Darkness at Noon - a man who speaks from experience, being a former Communist himself. It is the natural logic of a materialist system to simply eliminate those who obstruct the path to earthly paradise.

You could have just stopped right there. If Marxist-Leninism is a perversion of science (by your admission), then you can't blame science for the atrocities committed by the Soviets. Capitalists in the US have been perverting Darwin for ages too (see: greedy Wall St tycoons and southern bigots). It's not limited to the non-religious.

Love this double standard btw :

Atrocities committed by Muslims? "See? Islam is bad!"
Atrocities committed by atheists? "See? This is why we more religion!"
Atrocities committed in the name of the Bible? "Uh... this is a perversion of God's Word! The real God is love!"

The funny thing about the latter statement is it isn't a perversion at all--the Old Testament is littered with instances where God sanctions rape, slavery, and genocide. He allows Satan to torture Job FFS. To settle a bet.

Perhaps God was considered loving +3000 years ago. He sure as hell doesn't sound loving in 2016.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Lord almighty, how many times do DonDadda and PhantomCreep need to be exposed by Dresta and others before a ban is issued for trolling? Just when you think you'll never hear from them again after a keen ass-raping you find them in another thread parroting the same bullshit as if nothing ever happened.
:biggums:

What's up with these right-wing cheerleaders who can't come up with their own arguments? You and Poido are slobbering all over Dresta's knob like he's Johnny Football Hero after the big game. Get ahold of yourselves.

[Nick Young]

Capitalists in the US have been perverting Darwin for ages too (see: greedy Wall St tycoons and southern bigots).
Can you please explain what the **** this means?

[ThePhantomCreep]

Can you please explain what the **** this means?

There was a popular phrase in the 80s - "He who dies with the most toys wins". That's right wing conservativism in a nutshell: I got the most toys, only the strongest survive, and let the weak die out by cutting off their food stamps. Me me me.

That's a perversion of Social Darwinism (primates are just as collectivist as they are individualistic), cloaked under the guise of "deh free market capitalism". The great irony of it all is that many of these Darwinists also claim to be followers of Christ, who was anything but a me-first guy.. I'm not advocating communism, but the other extreme has little to be proud of.

This brings me to Southern racists. Not only did they "pervert" God's word, claiming slavery was sanctioned in the Bible, but later groups like the KKK denounced Evolution while embracing the crudest forms of Social Darwinism to explain and justify their racist ideology. Specifically, the Klan endorsed the ideas of many "scientific" racists who claim that genetic differences between races are biological determinants of human actions and human destiny. Anyone who intervened to remedy these inequalities is condemned as interfering with natural laws.

[Nick Young]

There was a popular phrase in the 80s - "He who dies with the most toys wins". That's right wing conservativism in a nutshell: I got the most toys, only the strongest survive, and let the weak die out by cutting off their food stamps. Me me me.

That's a perversion of Social Darwinism (primates are just as collectivist as they are individualistic), cloaked under the guise of "deh free market capitalism". The great irony of it all is that many of these Darwinists also claim to be followers of Christ, who was anything but a me-first guy.. I'm not advocating communism, but the other extreme has little to be proud of.

This brings me to Southern racists. Not only did they "pervert" God's word, claiming slavery was sanctioned in the Bible, but later groups like the KKK denounced Evolution while embracing the crudest forms of Social Darwinism to explain and justify their racist ideology. Specifically, the Klan endorsed the ideas of many "scientific" racists who claim that genetic differences between races are biological determinants of human actions and human destiny. Anyone who intervened to remedy these inequalities is condemned as interfering with natural laws.
So you believe that Darwin's theories do not apply to human society?:confusedshrug:


Do you believe that homo sapiens are above the laws of nature and exempt from following them?

[poido123]

It wasn't an us vs them mentality at all. I fought alongside plenty of Afghans. They risked their lives for me, and I reciprocated. When bullets start flying, there is no room for what religion you are or what race you are.

And generally, the ones who worked with us, were likely not the ones to have this seemingly more common perversion of Islam in their minds.

And to your point, its actually quite the contrary. Sure, some of the military is the lower end of society. The poor, the dumb, the whatever. But I met more distinguished, innovative individuals in the military than I've ever met in the civilian world. One of the biggest takeaways, for me anyway, from my military service, was the ability to adapt and innovate. Sure you're in lock step in boot camp, but once you're in the mountains, hours (sometimes days) away from the nearest friendly unit, with shit equipment and shit intelligence, you have to improvise. People's lives depend on it. That's the difference between choices in the military and choices in the civilian world. You **** up at your job? Oh well, backspace and re-send it. There are no second chances or do-overs out there.

To be a leader in the military takes a special someone.


Their culture is backwards and horrendous. And stinky, and vile, and disgusting. That doesn't mean everyone there wants to live like that forever, cause they don't. I don't give a **** what any survey says, the vast majority of civilians that I ran into wanted us there, because they were tired of living in mud houses, tired of living without electricity, tired of having to take a dump in their front yard to fertilize their fields.

Those people, I can help. I did help. Until we left, of course. Now, they're on their own, and it breaks my heart to see the news reports coming out of Helmand.


As I said before, I am not religious, nor am I spiritual. I live in the here and now. That's why I have no respect for the lazy, the ones who don't care, the ones who don't strive to be anything better.

Because all I know is that where I am right now is real, and to see people wasting their lives away selling their government paid for EBT steak for 50 cents on the dollar for drug money pisses me off.


Interesting and I'm surprised that you never found yourself come accross a spiritual situation in the face of death, but I guess it doesn't always work that way...


Armchair warriors here who study articles and went to university pretend that they know these cultures and how it all works.


I hope the Middle East(for the most part) and parts of Africa become more civilised and more humane. Too many people are suffering at the hands of the loud, violent few. If the loud violent few aren't stopped, the others will unwillingly follow.

[DonDadda59]

Don snitched on you FYI

Got your back bro.

SMH. :facepalm

No one else finds it odd that as soon as the biggest known snitch in ISH History is unbanned all of a sudden our brothers start disappearing?

"He always takes action"...Disgusting (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12000697&postcount=1327)

[Nick Young]

Stop Snitching (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnaoVV46hk4)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/jsm33187/Basketball/melo_punch.gif

[poido123]

People be snitchin' on me up in here. That will not go unpunished.


Lock your doors, hide your kids, I'm gonna be like Omar from The Wire up in this bitch. We got this!



reported for what?

[Patrick Chewing]

reported for what?


Jeff is too quick to the trigger. He has no training whatsoever.


It was a thread where we were talking about Mexicans, Jobs, and Blacks. And I said that if you would take away Welfare and all those government programs, that you'll see how quick you'll see those Blacks in the "fields". Meaning the same fields that the Mexicans are in now picking fruits, vegetables, etc. Jeff assumed I was making a racial comment meaning cotton fields or slavery or some shit.

[poido123]

Jeff is too quick to the trigger. He has no training whatsoever.


It was a thread where we were talking about Mexicans, Jobs, and Blacks. And I said that if you would take away Welfare and all those government programs, that you'll see how quick you'll see those Blacks in the "fields". Meaning the same fields that the Mexicans are in now picking fruits, vegetables, etc. Jeff assumed I was making a racial comment meaning cotton fields or slavery or some shit.



Ok.

Yeah I can see how that was misinterpreted. I'm sure he didn't give it the time needed to see the whole picture.

[Patrick Chewing]

That's fine though. I'll still look for the rat. They gonna get theirs.

I'll play it nice and cool and befriend everyone, and then one day when the dust has settled, it'll play out like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MGLdIYdCq0

[Dresta]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Despite the Nazis' best efforts, Germany was virtually 100% Christian and with their annexation of Austria, the population of people identifying as Catholics grew considerably. They weren't trying to get rid of the Catholic Church, only control it directly. Hitler himself was a proponent of Positive Christianity. In Article 24 of the 1920 Nazi platform he wrote "the Party represents the standpoint of Positive Christianity."

[DonDadda59]

You really are being tiresome now, parroting one blatant lie after another. A handful of quotes does not repudiate what is unequivocally a matter of historical record - calling Hitler a Christian, or a force for Christianity and the Church, is as blatantly untrue as saying the Holocaust never happened.

You act like I plucked random quotes from random citizens. Nope, went straight to the source. Hitler's own words, where he proclaims himself a Christian. Here's some more.

Positive Christianity in the Third Reich (1937) (https://justice4germans.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/positive-christianity-in-the-third-reich-by-cajus-fabricius.pdf)

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41OUCiKnYKL._SX281_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

^Written by Professor Cajus Fabricius, a Christian theologian, Nazi, and member of Hitler's government.

24. We demand freedom for all religious denominations, provided that they do not endanger the existence of the State or offend the concepts of decency and morality of the Germanic race.

The Party as such stands for positive Christianity, without associating itself with any particular denomination. It fights against the Jewish-materialistic spirit within and around us, and is convinced that a permanent revival of our nation can be achieved only from within, on the basis of: Public Interest before Private Interest.

-Platform of the National-Socialist German Workers

[falc39]

Positive Christianity was a perversion of Christianity. It would be an error to equate the two.

[DonDadda59]

Positive Christianity was a perversion of Christianity. It would be an error to equate the two.

I'm sure the Catholics thought Protestantism was a perversion of Christianity. And the Ebionites considered Catholicism/Paulinity to be apostate. Doesn't change the fact that Germany under the reign of Hitler and the Nazis was the most Christian nation on Earth.

[JEFFERSON MONEY]

That's fine though. I'll still look for the rat. They gonna get theirs.

I'll play it nice and cool and befriend everyone, and then one day when the dust has settled, it'll play out like this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MGLdIYdCq0

Listen, brother, both of us are lazy gluttonous unlearned sinful fools but we have the same eventual destination.

Forgive my people and pardon them and I forgive and pardon your people and we'll be in better shape for the next world.

In the meantime, please feel free to share Biblical verses that come to mind, and I'll help to break them down scientifically to others in a way that may just click.

You and I both know that with faith in others' hearts they can reach something far, far, far, far, superior to anything this World has to offer; Rapture.

[falc39]

I'm sure the Catholics thought Protestantism was a perversion of Christianity. And the Ebionites considered Catholicism/Paulinity to be apostate. Doesn't change the fact that Germany under the reign of Hitler and the Nazis was the most Christian nation on Earth.

It's in name only. Well then radical islam represents all muslims? Supporting the patriot act makes you patriotic? Do you really want to stoop down to this level of generalization and ignorance?

[DonDadda59]

It's in name only. Well then radical islam represents all muslims? Supporting the patriot act makes you patriotic? Do you really want to stoop down to this level of generalization and ignorance?

You're all over the place, bro. Speaking nonsense.

Germany was 99%+ Christian, Hitler was born, raised, lived, and died a Catholic. The official religion of the Nazi party was Positive Christianity. Bishops, Popes, etc took part in official Nazi activities (including celebrating Hitler's birthday).

Any 'persecution' that any Christian Church experienced under the Nazis was more of an attempt by the party to directly control/Nationalize religion. It wasn't an effort to stamp out Christianity in any way. Hitler hated the 'Godless' Bolsheviks.

[Nick Young]

You're all over the place, bro. Speaking nonsense.

Germany was 99%+ Christian, Hitler was born, raised, lived, and died a Catholic. The official religion of the Nazi party was Positive Christianity. Bishops, Popes, etc took part in official Nazi activities (including celebrating Hitler's birthday).

Any 'persecution' that any Christian Church experienced under the Nazis was more of an attempt by the party to directly control/Nationalize religion. It wasn't an effort to stamp out Christianity in any way. Hitler hated the 'Godless' Bolsheviks.
stop trying to rewrite history.

[Dresta]

Believe whatever you want you complete fanatic - but be assured that only a fanatic could think the nazis Christian, when Christianity as an established belief system was the single largest obstacle to the proliferation of nazi ideology throughout Germany, and something the nazis incessantly tried to tear down throughout the Third Reich.

If you knew anything about German intellectual thought in this era, however, you'd know very well that nazism was a product of the 'death' of God Nietzsche had recognised half-a-century prior (as was Russian nihilism, and its end product: Bolshevism). The mutual hatred you speak of is just the narcissism of small differences (Bolsheviks hated the Mensheviks too! Stalinists hated Trots, and so on). Next you'll be telling me that Wagner was a Christian too.

Strange that with all the real scummy Christians out there you'd invest so much time in creating imaginary ones (though no doubt some other atheist fanatic already did the work for you).

[DonDadda59]

stop trying to rewrite history.

Deal with it.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/BrownArmyChurch.jpg

^ [I]Hitler's Brown Army attending and leaving church services

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/NaziFlagCathedral.jpg

^ A Nazi flag flies in front of the Cologne Cathedral, 1937

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/HitlerOath.gif


[I]Hitler Oath:

I swear by God,
this holy oath,
to the F

[DonDadda59]

...

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/NaziPriestsSaluteHitler.jpg

^ [I]Catholic Bishops giving the Nazi salute in honor of Hitler.
Note Joseph Goebbels (far right) and Wilhelm Frick (second from right)

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/Cardinal-Faulhaber.jpg

^ Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, head of the Diplomatic Corps, attending the Nuremburg Party Rally in September 1933.

According to Dr. Paul O'Shea, Orsenigo, as Dean of the Corps, it was the Nuncio's role to lead the Corps at all major government functions. After 1935 Orsenigo did not attend major government propaganda displays.

Hitler at the same Rally (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWw502UmUlw)

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/CardnalBertram.jpg

^
Cardinal Bertram in the funeral procession for Bishop Bares, Berlin, 7 March 1935

As a chairman of the German bishop conference the Breslauer Cardinal Bertram plays a crucial role in shaping the attitude of the German bishops in relation to the National Socialist state.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/PraysingCelebration.jpg

^Welcome Celebration for Bishop Konrad Graf von Preysing in the Sportpalast, Berlin, 8 Sept. 1935

Note the Catholic Chi-Rho Cross to the right of the Nazi flag. Chi and Rho are the first two letters of the Greek word for Christ. The Chi Rho Cross, or warrior's cross, originated from the monogram of Roman Emperor Constantine. How fitting it appears next to a swastika.

Following the death of Berlin's Bishop Bares, Pope Pius XI unexpectedly selects Konrad Graf von Preysing, a little-known Eichstatt bishop, as bishop of Berlin. Berlin, the region for which he is responsible, now also includes the center of the National Socialist power structure and so requires a high degree of political skill from its ecclesiastical leader.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/priests-salute.jpg

^ [I]Priests giving the Hitler salute

Priests giving the Hitler salute at a Catholic youth rally in the Berlin-Neuk

[BoutPractice]

I'm sorry but he's right.

The nazi regime had no respect for true christianity.

It used it in a cynical way (just as cynical churchmen used the regime for their own private benefit), but wanted it subordinate to the official nazi creed, which was effectively a form of secular religion with pagan overtones.

Some of the strongest opponents of nazi germany were devout Christians... but also communists (another popular religion of that era). People who believed in something - people inflexible enough that they couldn't "accommodate" or "live with" nazism, for whatever reason. Goes to show, sometime you need a degree of faith, rigidity, and loyalty... The same things that so often fuel oppression, you need to resist oppression.

[poido123]

You really are being tiresome now, parroting one blatant lie after another. A handful of quotes does not repudiate what is unequivocally a matter of historical record - calling Hitler a Christian, or a force for Christianity and the Church, is as blatantly untrue as saying the Holocaust never happened. It is literally that ignorant (and bigoted - only a hatred of Christianity could make someone believe such utter drivel).

I can't be bothered discussing this with your dumb-ass any longer, so i'll just let your favourite newspaper explain it for you:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/weekinreview/word-for-word-case-against-nazis-hitler-s-forces-planned-destroy-german.html?pagewanted=all





Christianity clearly provided the most spirited and strongest opposition to nazi tyranny that then existed in Germany (and other countries). What you are peddling on this subject is a gross falsification of history, done for your own disgusting purposes.

Get that you pathetic apologist for nazi bigotry? Stop pretending to know anything about Hitler and the nazis - you're so obviously fronting, and so obviously just searching for conclusions you want to hear, and that can help justify your Christophobia.

And yeah, your inability to even understand the obvious allegorical importance of that passage from Job betrays how painfully literal-minded you are, and shows that your mind simply isn't subtle enough to understand religion, or its necessity. So in your eyes, a passage about relativity and norms becomes some banal statement about the corners of the earth and its being flat (hah!) - you do know what a cornerstone is right? This is about the foundation of our morals, our law, and our cultural norms - 'who hath laid the measure thereof' - stop being such a damn simpleton: this isn't talking about the Earth's actual corner :lol . This part is about you: 'Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?’

As i said, the book recognises and laughs at your facile worldview from 3000 years away - now, that's impressive! And btw, the church wasn't citing scripture to 'disprove' different understandings all the way back with Augustine, who even then, never thought the Genesis story was meant to be taken literally.



:biggums:


Don't do him like that.


Christianity not associated with Nazis confirmed.


Dondadda slaughtered once again. :eek:

[DonDadda59]

I'm sorry but he's right.

The nazi regime had no respect for true christianity.

It used it in a cynical way (just as cynical churchmen used the regime for their own private benefit)

So basically like every government anywhere, ever? Got it. :applause:

Notice how Donald Trump is shamelessly pandering to the Evangelicals with his ridiculous 'Two Corinthians' spiel. :roll:


but wanted it subordinate to the official nazi creed, which was effectively a form of secular religion with pagan overtones.

AKA Christianity. :yaohappy:


Some of the strongest opponents of nazi germany were devout Christians...

And some of its most vigorous and staunchest supporters were extremely high ranking church officials.

Video- Theologians under Hitler (Part I) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQaC_Hxr5Lg)

Part II (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOJNGoJBot8)

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/DeutscheChristen2.jpg http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/DC_Cross.jpg

^ [I]Deutsche Christen (German Christians)

The Deutsche Christen (DC) became the voice of Nazi ideology within the Evangelical Church (the Religious Right of their day) and approved by Hitler. They proposed a church "Aryan paragraph" to prevent "non-Aryans" from becoming ministers or religious teachers. Most church leaders solidly supported the "Judenmission." Only a very few number of Christians opposed Nazism such as the "Confessing Christians" (a Church movement not recognized by the Protestant orthodoxy) headed by Dietrich Bonhoeffer. The support of Nazism by the majority of German Christians and German Christian leaders shows the danger of mixing religion with government.

The photo on the left shows the procession of bishops in front of the Berlin Cathedral, 23 Sept. 1934. SS guards stand at attention. The head of the march shows members in party and SA uniforms while pastors follow in the rear.

Note the flags with the Christian cross with the swastika in the middle.

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/deutsche_christen_march.jpg

^ Deutsche Christen Flag

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/DeutschenChristen2.jpg

^ Deutsche Christen (German Christians)

SA storm troopers with placards of the "German Christians," Berlin, July 1933.

On July 14, 1933, Hitler's government approves a new charter for the Protestant church. With massive intervention by the NSDAP, the church elections scheduled only a short time later result in a resounding victory for the "German Christians." Hitler himself appeals to all Protestant Christians in a radio speech on the eve of the election to vote for the "German Christians." With its slogan "church must remain church,"

http://www.nobeliefs.com/images/DeutschenChristen.jpg

[I]Presidium of the "German Christians," Berlin, November 13, 1933

The "German Christians" desired to achieve absolute organizational and ideological conformity between the Protestant church and the National Socialist state. Following their triumphant success in the Protestant church elections in July 1933 and the election of Ludwig M

[warriorfan]

I believe Hitler was posing as a Christian to pander to the population, much as modern day politicians do.

[KingBeasley08]

Dadda destroying this thread right now. N*gga using primary sources and shit. We ain't worthy :bowdown: :bowdown:

[DonDadda59]

I believe Hitler was posing as a Christian to pander to the population, much as modern day politicians do.

Of course. Hitler was a shrewd politician and knew he needed Christian backing in order to consolidate his power. Even if he wasn't personally a fan of the Church, he would never in a thousand years have tried to abolish it like some misguided people here have suggested. He was smart enough to know he would've been laughed out of Germany if he tried.

[INDENT]
"[B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="3"][The Nazis] tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity

[pauk]

Look at all your responses, Don. You're bordering on Douchewallace level where every post you make is some angry rant.

I will point out though that you're a hypocrite. You never get this hot and bothered when the Muzzies are talking about their religion. In fact, you stand in and defend them. But that's besides the point. I know your character.

So you're telling me that Religion and the belief in a higher power/Creationism go hand in hand?? Have you not heard of Deism, Spiritualism, etc.??

Anything they ever did (including me) was correct your incorrect statements, trying to talk sense/logic/ration to you, which proved that it was impossible to the point where we would just ignore you and let you circlejerk around with your Islamophobic friends, you were just ignorantely trolling, if you are not willing to learn & accept the truth about something you have no clue yet talk about 24-7 then you are just trolling.... and why? No ISH muslim has ever had anything bad to say about Christianity (or you, well, not before knowing how ***ed up you were) or any other religion the way like ONLY you & your pals do, its haram and also because spending the time denouncing an entire religion because of the criminal actions of an individual or a group of people (which includes even stabbing your ISH/Basketball brethrens in the back just because they are muslims, nothing else) is not just stupid but draws you towards the path of the dark side.... Yet here you are talking like a devout religious man while commiting crime against humanity, some do that physically, your way is mentally... Even after all you did, i have nothing against you Patrick, i have not given up on you, i believe you can change & mature, so we can one day have sublime conversations & share knowledge.

[poido123]

Anything they ever did (including me) was correct your incorrect statements, trying to talk sense/logic/ration to you, which proved that it was impossible to the point where we would just ignore you and let you circlejerk around with your Islamophobic friends, you were just ignorantely trolling, if you are not willing to learn & accept the truth about something you have no clue about then you are just trolling.... and why? No ISH muslim has ever had anything bad to say about Christianity (or you, well, not before knowing how ***ed up you were) or any other religion the way like ONLY you & your pals do, its haram and also because spending the time denouncing an entire religion because of the criminal actions of an individual or a group of people (which includes even stabbing your ISH/Basketball brethrens in the back just because they are muslims, nothing else) is not just stupid but draws you towards the path of the dark side.... Yet here you are talking like a devout religious man while commiting crime against humanity, some do that physically, your way is mentally...


It's ISLAMIFICATION.


Muslims are spreading their shit everywhere it is not wanted.


Stop murdering and raping people. On top of that, stop supporting terrorist groups like ISIS with your silence and inaction.


There are now anti-radical groups led by Muslims fighting against extremism. If the muslim community got behind groups like this wholeheartedly, people like Chewing and I wouldn't hold any resentment towards Muslims. But it is the majority who are doing little to stop it. Because the way it looks, doesn't create a good image of Islam and their intentions.


When you see Muslims protesting in the streets of Europe or the West, shout them down, confront them. All those people are doing is creating division and suspicion of their intentions.


You want to rant all these deflection words like Islamophobia, yet you don't want to address core issues in your religion and how those aspects from the Quran is brainwashing an alarming amount of people into potential terrorism.


See the problem?

[falc39]

Dadda destroying this thread right now. N*gga using primary sources and shit. We ain't worthy :bowdown: :bowdown:

I looked at where he is linking the pictures and it leads to this site: http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm. That's not a site you want to be copy pasting from. Very questionable and obviously biased site. One of the first pictures from the page and captions source this poorly reviewed revisionist book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0670886939/). Take a look at the home page to get an idea of what they are pushing. It's a joke and a waste of time to read this misinformation.

[warriorfan]

[QUOTE=DonDadda59]Of course. Hitler was a shrewd politician and knew he needed Christian backing in order to consolidate his power. Even if he wasn't personally a fan of the Church, he would never in a thousand years have tried to abolish it like some misguided people here have suggested. He was smart enough to know he would've been laughed out of Germany if he tried.

[INDENT]
"[B][COLOR="Red"][SIZE="3"][The Nazis] tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity

[Terahite]

Why are some even arguing the "point" with DonDadda as if his premises are sound to begin with? A quick look over his cut-and-paste jobs reveals an argument based on guilt-by-association, which is a logical fallacy. By his own inane logic (or some other cut-and-paste warrior; take your pick) we should be more wary of anti-religion since the communists were explicitly anti-religious and committed more outrages than the 'nazis'.

The fact that the Third Reich's supposed Christianity is even in question here, whereas no one questions the communists' anti-religion (as it is based on overwhelming evidence) shows the complete double standard and anti-religious bigotry perpetuated by DonDadda and other nincompoops here. :facepalm

[gigantes]

if J$ found one of your posts offensive, i'm pretty sure that chances are it was garbage.

you wouldn't want to keep repeating the same mistake and eventually becoming known as "the garbageman," now would you...? :P

word to the wise, patrick!

[DonDadda59]

Why are some even arguing the "point" with DonDadda as if his premises are sound to begin with? A quick look over his cut-and-paste jobs reveals an argument based on guilt-by-association, which is a logical fallacy.

Why not just post on your main account? :confusedshrug:

Anyway, since some people want to make believe the Nazis were some alien invaders who bewitched the good German Christians and had them wage wars and holocausts without their knowledge...

[INDENT]
Going by what the Christian clergy teach about the virtues that the faith inspires, Nazism, Hitler's wars, and the Holocaust should not have been possible. Not only did they occur, but with insignificant and wavering exceptions, neither theologians, clergy, nor ordinary Christians as individuals, nor churches as corporate bodies, objected. In fact they overwhelmingly supported them. Look at three of the most distinguished German Protestant theologians--Gerhard Kittel, Paul Althaus, and Emanual Hirsch. These men were highly respected, extremely erudite, uncommonly productive, and internationally known professors, each at a different, first-class university.

Professor Robert P. Erickson did an unusually comprehensive investigation of the three theologians' writings, utterances, and activities as they pertain to Nazism and the Jewish Question. He reports his findings in a book, Theologians Under Hitler. If anyone should know whether submission or opposition is demanded of the followers of the living Christ when confronted with a regime as totally reprehensible as that of the Nazis, surely it would be these theologians.

What conclusions did Erickson reach as to the stance of the three men who would be expected to exemplify the ultimate in the embodiment of those noble values that millions of Sunday school children are taught attach to Christian folk? They are grim:

"They each supported Hitler openly, enthusiastically, and with little restraint." In fact, they deemed it the Christian thing to do. They "saw themselves and were seen by others as genuine Christians acting upon genuine Christian impulses." Furthermore, all three tended "to see God's hand in the elevation of Hitler to power." Hirsch was a member of the Nazi party and of the SS. The Nazi state, he said, should be accepted and supported by Christians as a tool of God's grace. To Althaus, Hitler's coming to power was "a gift and miracle of God." He taught that "we Christians know ourselves bound by God's will to the promotion of National Socialism."

Kittel and a group of twelve leading theologians and pastors issued a proclamation that Nazism is "a call of God," and they thanked God for Adolf Hitler. Kittel was a party member and he himself proudly claimed that he was a good Nazi. He explains that he did not join it as a result of pressure or for pragmatic reasons but because he concluded that the Nazi phenomenon was "a v

[Terahite]

All oblivious, innocent bystanders who had no clue that millions of people were being exterminated though. :applause:

You have no idea what guilt by association is or why it's fallacious. These simple concepts are apparently too difficult for you. :lol

By your inane logic Germans are bad.

By your inane logic nationalists are bad.

By your inane logic workers parties are bad.

By your inane logic Stephen Curry is inclined to do evil because he's a Christian. (do you even believe in evil?)

You also ignored the thing about communist crimes and the double standard.

Do you even know anything? You know nothing about logic or history.

Also try making a reply without cut-and-pasting from tendentious literature - or limit your quotations to the point where they don't exceed your own text a hundredfold. :facepalm

[DonDadda59]

You have no idea what guilt by association is or why it's fallacious. These simple concepts are apparently too difficult for you. :lol

By your inane logic Germans are bad.

By your inane logic nationalists are bad.

By your inane logic workers parties are bad.

By your inane logic Stephen Curry is inclined to do evil because he's a Christian. (do you even believe in evil?)

You also ignored the thing about communist crimes and the double standard.

Do you even know anything? You know nothing about logic or history.

Also try making a reply without cut-and-pasting from tendentious literature - or limit your quotations to the point where they don't exceed your own text a hundredfold. :facepalm

Good lord you're reaching. :lol

[Terahite]

Good lord you're reaching. :lol

People said you would invoke the almighty when near death and they were correct. :lol

[DonDadda59]

People said you would invoke the almighty when near death and they were correct. :lol

Never.

[poido123]

Good lord you're reaching. :lol



Worth having a deep hard look at yourself.


I think that was pretty accurate about you??

[DonDadda59]

Worth having a deep hard look at yourself.


I think that was pretty accurate about you??

Steph Curry is pure evil. :applause:

[gigantes]

People said you would invoke the almighty when near death and they were correct. :lol
oh man... i LOVE taking the almighty's name in vain, and i haven't believed in a personal god since i was about seven years old.

mother f-cking almighty lord FTW! :banana:

[ThePhantomCreep]

You have no idea what guilt by association is or why it's fallacious. These simple concepts are apparently too difficult for you. :lol

By your inane logic Germans are bad.

By your inane logic nationalists are bad.

By your inane logic workers parties are bad.

By your inane logic Stephen Curry is inclined to do evil because he's a Christian. (do you even believe in evil?)

You also ignored the thing about communist crimes and the double standard.

Do you even know anything? You know nothing about logic or history.

Also try making a reply without cut-and-pasting from tendentious literature - or limit your quotations to the point where they don't exceed your own text a hundredfold. :facepalm

Pretty sure this entire conversation began when your mancrush, Dresta, posted this:


*Jacobinism and Nazism (and indeed Bolshevism and all revolutionary ideologies) made the destruction of the Christian belief system their*sine qua non*(because they needed to destroy the existing belief-system so they could replace it with their own) -

This is simply false, and DonDadda debunked it thoroughly. If anyone is erecting strawman arguments around here, it's you numbnuts. Stick to cheeerleading Dresta from the sidelines, dummy.

[ThePhantomCreep]

I believe Hitler was posing as a Christian to pander to the population, much as modern day politicians do.
Possibly, probably. It isn't too difficult for a despot to twist "God's Word" for political/ideological gain. Truth is, God advocated some fcked up things in the Bible. Twisting isn't even necessary most of the time.

The Bible contains enough atrocities to make Hitler blush--anyone who argues it's a benign book of wisdom is fooling themselves.

[Nick Young]

The Bible contains enough atrocities to make Hitler blush--anyone who argues it's a benign book of wisdom is fooling themselves.

Yes. Any story that features atrocity is a bad story. You're a clever guy!
:cheers:

[Patrick Chewing]

Don needs to watch some Nazi-era documentaries. All of Germany and some of Europe were afraid of the Third Reich. Either you were on board, or you were dead. Of course you're going to see priests with the "Heil Hitler" sign. :lol

No one in the Nazi leadership was remotely close to anything Christian. Nazi leadership were more interested in mysticism, the occult, and aliens. Heck, Hitler himself believed that by obtaining the spear of Destiny that it would make him invincible.

I don't know what Don is rambling about.

[Im Still Ballin]

SMH. :facepalm

No one else finds it odd that as soon as the biggest known snitch in ISH History is unbanned all of a sudden our brothers start disappearing?

"He always takes action"...Disgusting (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12000697&postcount=1327)
I don't know what you're talking about

[DonDadda59]

Don needs to watch some Nazi-era documentaries. All of Germany and some of Europe were afraid of the Third Reich. Either you were on board, or you were dead. Of course you're going to see priests with the "Heil Hitler" sign. :lol

No one in the Nazi leadership was remotely close to anything Christian.

I don't know what Don is rambling about.

How did Hitler and the Nazis gain control of the government?

I swear you fools really think all the Germans were just hapless, blind, oblivious Christian Mr. Magoos who were tricked into voting the Nazis into power, going to war, and had no idea the holocaust was going on.

One of the biggest lies ever told. They enthusiastically and willingly supported everything Hitler said and did. It was only after the war effort turned into a disastrous loss that they started playing the 'Who... Me? :( :confusedshrug: ' card.

[Im Still Ballin]

Hey don

Have you heard about the greatest story NEVER told?

[DonDadda59]

Hey don

Have you heard about the greatest story NEVER told?

Leave me alone.

[Patrick Chewing]

Don is adamant that he can rewrite history and pass it off as fact without repercussion.

[DonDadda59]

Don is adamant that he can rewrite history and pass it off as fact without repercussion.

Yup. Dadda rewriting History on some Quantum Leap shit. The Nazis forced everyone against their will to vote them into power and then turned the most Christian nation on Earth into an atheist wasteland. 99% Christian Germany became 100% Godless overnight. They kept the mass slaughter of millions of people secret and forced the population to fight their disastrous war. And then once the war was over, the mass hypnotism Hitler performed on the entire country magically wore off. Everyone was innocent.

What a time it was to be alive. :applause:

[Im Still Ballin]

Chewster,

Be careful bro. Don has been known to press the report button. Stay safe. I got you bro.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Yes. Any story that features atrocity is a bad story. You're a clever guy!
:cheers:

Not at all, but spare me this "benign book of wisdom" stuff. It's easier to sell the Bible as a horror book than a book of wisdom:


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515K31ASP6L._SX352_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Selling a story that features infanticide (among other things) as a kid's book is just insane.

It's funny how you attack Muhammad's words in the Quran (and I'm not defending them, so save it), while ignoring what a genocidal maniac Moses was. Both books are cut from similar cloth.

[Dresta]

This thread has done well to expose the fanatical bigots on this site who simply aren't worth having a discussion with.

Anyone who could take Don's arguments on this subject seriously, despite the near-limitless evidence that attests to the contrary, is not worth being taken seriously at all. So that's: Don, ThePhantomCreep, and KingBeasley (unsurprisingly, all big fans of the anti-Christian Obama) - anyone else want to expose themselves as a mindless Christophobe?


Pretty sure this entire conversation began when your mancrush, Dresta, posted this:



This is simply false, and DonDadda debunked it thoroughly. If anyone is erecting strawman arguments around here, it's you numbnuts. Stick to cheeerleading Dresta from the sidelines, dummy.
No, it's a factual matter of historical record - how can well-established fact be "debunked" by the posting of some irrelevant quotations? What people actually do is far more important than what they say, especially when they constantly contradict themselves (like Hitler in Mein Kampf). Destroying Christian belief as it was then established was a primary objective of the Nazis. - Christian morality was a direct impediment to nazi aspirations. This is a factual statement, supported by truck-loads of evidence. I already posted this:

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/01/13/weekinreview/word-for-word-case-against-nazis-hitler-s-forces-planned-destroy-german.html?pagewanted=all

It starts:


THE chilling testimony of crimes against humanity by the Nazi regime in Hitler's Germany have been on the historical record since the Nuremberg war-crimes trials of 1945 and 1946. But any criminal prosecution, and especially one as mammoth as the case against Nazi Germany, consists of far more than public testimony in court. The Nuremberg trials were also built on many millions of pages of supporting evidence: documents, summaries, notes and memos collected by investigators.

One of the leading United States investigators at Nuremberg, Gen. William J. Donovan -- Wild Bill Donovan of the O.S.S., the C.I.A.'s precursor -- collected and cataloged trial evidence in 148 bound volumes of personal papers that were stored after his death in 1959 at Cornell University. In 1999, Julie Seltzer Mandel, a law student from Rutgers University whose grandmother survived the Auschwitz death camp, read them. Under the Nuremberg Project, a collaboration between Rutgers and Cornell, she has edited the collection for publication on the Internet.

The first installment, published last week on the Web site of the Rutgers Journal of Law and Religion (www.camlaw.rutgers.edu/publications/law-religion), includes a 108-page outline prepared by O.S.S. investigators to aid Nuremberg prosecutors. The outline, ''The Persecution of the Christian Churches,'' summarizes the Nazi plan to subvert and destroy German Christianity, which it calls ''an integral part of the National Socialist scheme of world conquest.''

Verbatim excerpts from the outline would require extensive explanations. Instead, the outline is summarized below. JOE SHARKE

I suggest you read it, and then shut up.

Not to mention that the erosion of Christian belief in Europe (which had happened prior to WW2), is what led directly to strong and militaristic national governments, who care more about mass societal improvement than personal moral improvement (changing 'society' through the use of government force) - this was a great loss, and it is from where all the totalist systems of the 20th century sprung. If you can't recognise this, then you really can't follow even the most basic and obvious of historical trends.

"B-B-But, Hitler hated the Bolsheviks"

:facepalm


Not at all, but spare me this "benign book of wisdom" stuff. It's easier to sell the Bible as a horror book than a book of wisdom:


http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/515K31ASP6L._SX352_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg

Selling a story that features infanticide (among other things) as a kid's book is just insane.

It's funny how you attack Muhammad's words in the Quran (and I'm not defending them, so save it), while ignoring what a genocidal maniac Moses was. Both books are cut from similar cloth.
You are aware that infanticide was a commonly accepted practice before Christianity largely ended it, right?

You do know that infanticide has returned in a big way in recent years, and has grown to epidemic proportions, just as Christian belief has gone by the wayside - isn't that a strange coincidence? Infanticide appears to be a norm in almost all godless societies, because, ya know, having children can be a drag - best to just kill it, and pretend that it isn't really a life!



I looked at where he is linking the pictures and it leads to this site: http://www.nobeliefs.com/nazis.htm. That's not a site you want to be copy pasting from. Very questionable and obviously biased site. One of the first pictures from the page and captions source this poorly reviewed revisionist book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0670886939/). Take a look at the home page to get an idea of what they are pushing. It's a joke and a waste of time to read this misinformation.
Ha, one of the reviews of that shitpiece:


I was fascinated by this book and went on to do some more digging. I found so much material contrary to Cornwell's account that I keep asking myself why an historian would go to such efforts to smear a man who, it seems, saved so many lives. I can only assume that marketing considerations determined the tone of this book.
A few quotes: "When fearful martyrdom came to our people in the decade of Nazi terror, the voice of the Pope was raised for it's victims." Golda Meir
"He (Pope Pius)is the only ruler left on the continent of Europe who dares raise his voice at all." New York Times editorial Dec. 25, 1942
"Only the Church stood squarely across the path of Hitler's campaign." Albert Einstein (Time magazine 1944)
It is a "regretable irony that the one person in all of occupied Europe who did more than anyone else to halt the dreadful crime...is today made the scapegoat for the failures of others." Jeno Levai (Jewish historian specializing in the Holocaust in Hungary)
"The Catholic Church under Pius XII was instumental in saving the lives of as many as 860,000 Jews" Pinchas Lapide (Israeli diplomat)

But fanatics gonna fanatic. There is no arguing with people that determined to believe what they want to believe. Evidently these guys hate the pious because they have so much in common with them. They'll even applaud the crudest of copy & paste jobs as being impressive "primary research" and such - these people are pathetic.

[brownmamba00]

Yup. Dadda rewriting History on some Quantum Leap shit. The Nazis forced everyone against their will to vote them into power and then turned the most Christian nation on Earth into an atheist wasteland. 99% Christian Germany became 100% Godless overnight. They kept the mass slaughter of millions of people secret and forced the population to fight their disastrous war. And then once the war was over, the mass hypnotism Hitler performed on the entire country magically wore off. Everyone was innocent.

What a time it was to be alive. :applause:
:oldlol:
owned that lil chico

[BoutPractice]

The Old Testament is the mythological account of a people's history, and how its society and laws came into being, which was never meant to be taken literally. It's a magnificent book, full of profound insights about human nature, but because it's about history and laws, blood and violence feature prominently.

The New Testament is a radically different sort of document (something you're not allowed to say anymore because of a mistaken belief that religions should be "equal". Why should they be?) It's about a certain personal ethics, a life philosophy, like Greek doctrines or Eastern religions.

And this life philosophy is so revolutionary that few have ever managed to consistently live by its principles. You have to be a saint for Christianity to work as intended...

Unfortunately the vast majority of human beings aren't saints or anywhere close to it, but Christian morals remain to this day an ideal that we could strive towards. If everyone behaved a little more like a Christian, the world would undoubtedly be a better place (something you can't say of all religions)... Christianity is destined to be a failure compared to its ridiculously ambitious goals, but it is a noble one...

The mistake that moderns make, whether it concerns the Old or New Testament, is to assume that religions are about belief alone. Scholastics in medieval times made the same mistake.

"Belief" is cheap. Religions are about life and death... Belief only matters insofar as it carries consequences.

The ancients would find it hilarious that we're criticizing or defending religion based on whether the stories they tell are factually accurate. Of course religions are more like fairy tales or mythologies than a scientific textbook. What's wrong with fairy tale and mythology? Religions may not describe "reality" but they often describe the "truth" of human life - not the same thing.

The best way to describe the appeal of religion to a secular minded person is to think of it as a shop that's got everything you need in one place (a meaningful life, personal ethics and social norms, beauty, transcendence etc.). Modern secular culture has compartmentalized those things (already the New Testament is pointing in that direction), so we get each of them in a different shop, but some prefer the supermarket model... secularists must understand that this means they have real competition, and this competition isn't going away any time soon.

[Dresta]

The Old Testament is the mythological account of a people's history, and how its society and laws came into being, which was never meant to be taken literally. It's a magnificent book, full of profound insights about human nature, but because it's about history and laws, blood and violence feature prominently.

The New Testament is a radically different sort of document (something you're not allowed to say anymore because of a mistaken belief that religions should be "equal". Why should they be?) It's about a certain personal ethics, a life philosophy, like Greek doctrines or Eastern religions.

And this life philosophy is so revolutionary that few have ever managed to consistently live by its principles. You have to be a saint for Christianity to work as intended...

Unfortunately the vast majority of human beings aren't saints or anywhere close to it, but Christian morals remain to this day an ideal that we could strive towards. If everyone behaved a little more like a Christian, the world would undoubtedly be a better place (something you can't say of all religions)... Christianity is destined to be a failure compared to its ridiculously ambitious goals, but it is a noble one...

The mistake that moderns make, whether it concerns the Old or New Testament, is to assume that religions are about belief alone. Scholastics in medieval times made the same mistake.

"Belief" is cheap. Religions are about life and death... Belief only matters insofar as it carries consequences.

The ancients would find it hilarious that we're criticizing or defending religion based on whether the stories they tell are factually accurate. Of course religions are more like fairy tales or mythologies than a scientific textbook. What's wrong with fairy tale and mythology? Religions may not describe "reality" but they often describe the "truth" of human life - not the same thing.

The best way to describe the appeal of religion to a secular minded person is to think of it as a shop that's got everything you need in one place (a meaningful life, personal ethics and social norms, beauty, transcendence etc.). Modern secular culture has compartmentalized those things (already the New Testament is pointing in that direction), so we get each of them in a different shop, but some prefer the supermarket model... secularists must understand that this means they have real competition, and this competition isn't going away any time soon.

The bolded will be an unintelligible blur to these people; no matter how you simply you lay it out to them it will remain incomprehensible; they either suffer from a deficiency in imagination, or they simply don't want to believe that religious belief can be a sensible and rational position to take, and that believing in something is no slight on someone's intelligence.

They really do have the most incredible hubris. Sad really, because a few doses of Christian humility would do them some good tbh.

Religion also has the added benefit of making people less fearful of other people - hence why it was clergymen and the devout who were most willing to stand up to nazi atrocities, because these were the only people not paralyzed by fear. Most of the base things done by human beings stem from their fear of other human beings, so this is a pretty useful quality.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Georg_Elser

This (devoutly Christian) man very nearly killed Hitler. Instead, he suffered for 5 years at the hands of the Gestapo, and still refused to confirm Hitler's delusions about his being in the pay of foreign powers. You have to believe in something pretty strongly to have such fortitude and resilience. The myth of sisyphus is unlikely to provide comfort during such years of tortuous existence.


Also, what they are constantly ignoring is that there is no system of human morality or ethics not grounded in a belief of one sort or another - there is no such thing as a wholly rational morality. I wish people who were so confused would not speak with such certainty - it's a kind of cultish fanaticism, which if anything, signals the growth of a new and self-reinforcing secular belief system.

[dunksby]

Dresta you Christian? And you are of Polish ancestry right?

[Dresta]

No (I am not baptised, nor do i believe, though i cannot deny that Christian moral judgments are very much a part of me, even when i don't want them to be), and yes.

I just find online DawkinsBots incredibly tiresome. C. Hitchens, Sam Harris, and Dan Dennett have far more complex and nuanced understandings of religion than these chumps - and even their views I often find rather flimsy and reductionist (the need for spirituality without religion and such; getting moral instruction from literature 90% of people no longer read was one of Hitchens' favs too - Middlemarch was his great example in this respect, but i have not read an author much more Christian in their morality than George Eliot).

Another (and slightly irrelevant) point is that the myths of Christianity help to recalibrate the deterministic worldview in a way that fits with common human understanding. We have a faith in free will, but the concept of free will is a mythical Christian concept - all empirical evidence is against it, but all necessity is for it. A human being cannot be free in a world that denies free will - thus our freedom itself is very much founded upon a Christian myth, as is the dogma of popular sovereignty. Christianity is very much a part of us whether we like it or not, so in that respect perhaps, i could be described as a Christian.

What i'm not is a dogmatic materialist.

[dunksby]

No (I am not baptised, nor do i believe, though i cannot deny that Christian moral judgments are very much a part of me, even when i don't want them to be), and yes.

I just find online DawkinsBots incredibly tiresome. C. Hitchens, Sam Harris, and Dan Dennett have far more complex and nuanced understandings of religion than these chumps - and even their views I often find rather flimsy and reductionist (the need for spirituality without religion and such; getting moral instruction from literature 90% of people no longer read was one of Hitchens' favs too - Middlemarch was his great example in this respect, but i have not read an author much more Christian in their morality than George Eliot).

Another (and slightly irrelevant) point is that the myths of Christianity help to recalibrate the deterministic worldview in a way that fits with common human understanding. We have a faith in free will, but the concept of free will is a mythical Christian concept - all empirical evidence is against it, but all necessity is for it. A human being cannot be free in a world that denies free will - thus our freedom itself is very much founded upon a Christian myth, as is the dogma of popular sovereignty. Christianity is very much a part of us whether we like it or not, so in that respect perhaps, i could be described as a Christian.

What i'm not is a dogmatic materialist.
I find Atheists who can't wait to tell you they are Atheists and try to relate to it annoying, it just shows that they, like others who adhere to a religion, are in need of a religion to believe in. In other words, they believe in not believing in other religions, which makes them hypocritical.

[poido123]

I find Atheists who can't wait to tell you they are Atheists and try to relate to it annoying, it just shows that they, like others who adhere to a religion, are in need of a religion to believe in. In other words, they believe in not believing in other religions, which makes them hypocritical.



Atheists think they hold some kind of 'super intelligence' by not having a religion.


I just find it hilarious that these people reject faith, yet they take many chances in their life everyday.


:oldlol:

[Dresta]

I find Atheists who can't wait to tell you they are Atheists and try to relate to it annoying, it just shows that they, like others who adhere to a religion, are in need of a religion to believe in. In other words, they believe in not believing in other religions, which makes them hypocritical.
I agree; it is their certainty and arrogance that is particularly irksome. But i also think we all have natural prejudices and inclinations (whether as a result of our inner nature or surrounding environment is immaterial), and that these prejudices only become dangerous when we try to deny that they are in fact prejudices, and instead present them to the world as an absolute truth to be accepted by all.

Hume showed that living life 100% according to the dictates of reason and rationality would end human existence rather promptly. He was the ultimate skeptic, and yet for him the most important empirical basis of human understanding was preserved in its customs, which provide a guide for coming generations, so each does not start all over again in complete darkness and confusion. Even in evolutionary terms, one would have to wonder why this inner need for meaning and purpose and guidance and transcendence would have emerged unless it was necessary for the continuance of intelligent and introspective life. Who knows? It is, however, rather reckless to hack away at the roots of custom, when we have little understanding of what else might come down with it.