Putin suspected pedophile?

[Jameerthefear]

[QUOTE]Alexander Litvinenko

[DonDadda59]

The hero of ISH's right wing. How many Ls can one President hold? :biggums:

[Im Still Ballin]

Nice slander job

[Jameerthefear]

The hero of ISH's right wing. How many Ls can one President hold? :biggums:
Right wing ISH posters right now:
http://i66.tinypic.com/1zvahpk.jpg

[highwhey]

Jam why u causing more meltdowns tho?

[poido123]

Right wing ISH posters right now:
http://i66.tinypic.com/1zvahpk.jpg



The poster making this thread :oldlol:

[Nick Young]

So you've finally found a kindred spirit, Jameer?

[poido123]

So you've finally found a kindred spirit, Jameer?



Jameer was looking for a role model.


Seems he has found one. Good job supporting Putin Jam :cheers:

[Jameerthefear]

So you've finally found a kindred spirit, Jameer?
You're the one who aligned yourself with this boyloving f*ggot. Don't try to push jackshit on me.

[Jameerthefear]

Jameer was looking for a role model.


Seems he has found one. Good job supporting Putin Jam :cheers:
The deflection is real :oldlol:
Maybe once you turn 40 you'll understand that a someone that a highschooler that likes highschoolers is 100% normal :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

You're the one who aligned yourself with this boyloving f*ggot. Don't try to push jackshit on me.

Jam's got you there, Nick. Not too long ago you were tossing Putin's salad like you were a golden retriever and he smeared peanut butter all over dem cheeks. :oldlol:

[TomBrady]

Putin acting like a much creepier version of Roethlisberger.

Not surprised that a Kobe fan supported a rapist.

[Nick Young]

Jam's got you there, Nick. Not too long ago you were tossing Putin's salad like you were a golden retriever and he smeared peanut butter all over dem cheeks. :oldlol:
I said he was dominating the world political stage. I said he was dominating the Crimea situation. I said he called the UN's bluff, and that he was doing the right thing going in to try to re stabilize Syria by supporting Assad. I was also happy he was taking on the ISIS supporting traitor ****s Turkey.


I stand by all of those claims.

If you remember, in the state of the union thread, I also admitted that long term Obama's plan beat Putins, and overall, Obama was beating Putin and I was happy for this. I also said I was wrong about Putin and wrong about Obama.

Luckily I jumped off the bandwagon right before his boy-stomach kissing issues were revealed.

I am absolved.

[Nick Young]

The deflection is real :oldlol:
Maybe once you turn 40 you'll understand that a someone that a highschooler that likes highschoolers is 100% normal :oldlol:
cartoons of 11 year olds aren't highschoolers breh.

[Jameerthefear]

cartoons of 11 year olds aren't highschoolers breh.
Go ahead and tell me where/what these cartoons of 11 year olds are. If I posted them there must be some kind of post you can point to?

[poido123]

Jam's got you there, Nick. Not too long ago you were tossing Putin's salad like you were a golden retriever and he smeared peanut butter all over dem cheeks. :oldlol:




On the political war front, Putin pushed Obama's shit in and embarrassed him so much so, that Obama got mad in interviews whenever someone criticised him about his handling of Syria and how Putin was looking far more assertive.


:oldlol:


I'm all for America, but I'm against the guy who is in charge. He's a crook who won't even divulge the correct security documents of who he is, his history and all the files that shouldn't be confidential.


It's not hard to see that he is hiding a lot of shit. He was earmarked to be a Muslim sympathist behind enemy lines years before he gained power. They also knew that the people would vote him to be the first black president and that squashing parts of his personal documents and disguising him as a Christian would ensure that he could get into power.


Some of this is speculation, but the cover up of documents isn't. The actions Obama has taken while in office isn't.

[imdaman99]

Once again, Obama >>>>> Putin

[poido123]

Go ahead and tell me where/what these cartoons of 11 year olds are. If I posted them there must be some kind of post you can point to?



You have already used this deflective ploy before jameer.


time to register yourself on the sex register you disgusting creature.

[Im Still Ballin]

I call this the Pedophile paradox

[DonDadda59]

On the political war front, Putin pushed Obama's shit in and embarrassed him so much so, that Obama got mad in interviews whenever someone criticised him about his handling of Syria and how Putin was looking far more assertive.


:oldlol:


I'm all for America, but I'm against the guy who is in charge. He's a crook who won't even divulge the correct security documents of who he is, his history and all the files that shouldn't be confidential.


It's not hard to see that he is hiding a lot of shit. He was earmarked to be a Muslim sympathist behind enemy lines years before he gained power. They also knew that the people would vote him to be the first black president and that squashing parts of his personal documents and disguising him as a Christian would ensure that he could get into power.


Some of this is speculation, but the cover up of documents isn't. The actions Obama has taken while in office isn't.

Ignorant as shit as always. Consistent. :applause:

Obama destroyed Putin's economy, to the point that Vlad had to slash his own personal salary by 20%. Barry O literally took Vlad's money out of his pockets on some gangsta shit. Treated him like Putin treats little boys.

[Nick Young]

Ignorant as shit as always. Consistent. :applause:

Obama destroyed Putin's economy, to the point that Vlad had to slash his own personal salary by 20%. Barry O literally took Vlad's money out of his pockets on some gangsta shit. Treated him like Putin treats little boys.
Yep, Obama Lannistered the situation. Got to give him props when props are due.

[Im Still Ballin]

Obama didn't

The UN did

[poido123]

Ignorant as shit as always. Consistent. :applause:

Obama destroyed Putin's economy, to the point that Vlad had to slash his own personal salary by 20%. Barry O literally took Vlad's money out of his pockets on some gangsta shit. Treated him like Putin treats little boys.


Yet nothing you wrote here addresses the embarrassment and shame Obama bestowed on his people by acting like a b.tch on the world stage and the need to confront ISIS hard.


Many presidents have mishandled finances, foreign and national policy, but when it comes to events that threaten the existence of their people or mankind, we expect our leaders to stand strong and do everything in their power to destroy that enemy.


You won't acknowledge this. Again.


You will also avoid admitting to having a strong bias to certain race/religious groups, while you hide behind your Atheist banner.


:oldlol:

[TommyGriffin]

Obama married a Tran-sexual and Putin is having sex with little boys.

Trump is the hero that we deserve.

[Nick Young]

What if the boy was Putin's nephew or bastard son?

It's not even known that he's a pedo. These are just allegations from 10 years ago, from one person.

[DonDadda59]

Yet nothing you wrote here addresses the embarrassment and shame Obama bestowed on his people by acting like a b.tch on the world stage and the need to confront ISIS hard.

Obama gave ISIS the Putin treatment too.

ISIS lost 40% of territory in Iraq, 20% in Syria (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/isis-lost-40-percent-territory-iraq-20-percent-syria-coalition-n490426)

ISIS cuts fighters' salaries in half. (http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/19/news/world/isis-salary-cuts/)

Legend has it, it was Obama who wrote THIS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqcpWW7T4lY) for 50 Cent.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/55/27/44/5527449c7dcac0f97a024dbbd831c67e.jpg


Many presidents have mishandled finances, foreign and national policy, but when it comes to events that threaten the existence of their people or mankind, we expect our leaders to stand strong and do everything in their power to destroy that enemy.

:lol

The only places that ISIS made gains last year was in the areas of Syria where Russia was conducting bombings.

[poido123]

DonDadda59 Obama gave ISIS the Putin treatment too.

ISIS lost 40% of territory in Iraq, 20% in Syria (http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/isis-lost-40-percent-territory-iraq-20-percent-syria-coalition-n490426)


What?


"...the U.S.-led coalition fighting the group said Tuesday." So we are taking someone's word for this out of the US military?

:roll:


Iraqi and Kurd forces LED the offensive, with air strike backing from Russia and the US. How can you possibly conclude comprehensively that the territory gains were 100% credit to the US???



ISIS cuts fighters' salaries in half. (http://money.cnn.com/2016/01/19/news/world/isis-salary-cuts/)


You are also convinced that the US are the only reason why ISIS is feeling the pinch financially? You are convinced that the funding lost is at the hands of US bombing alone??? REALLY>??



Legend has it, it was Obama who wrote THIS (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqcpWW7T4lY) for 50 Cent.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/55/27/44/5527449c7dcac0f97a024dbbd831c67e.jpg



:lol

[CeltsGarlic]

The only places that ISIS made gains last year was in the areas of Syria where Russia was conducting bombings.


Wow, nice to hear some first hand experience from syria. Post some photos plzzzz

[DonDadda59]

Wow, nice to hear some first hand experience from syria. Post some photos plzzzz

I'll do you one better.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/19/russia-bombs-isis-gains.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/10/world/middleeast/hussein-hamedani-iran-general-killed-in-syria.html?_r=0

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/10/russian-airstrikes-help-isis-gain-ground-in-aleppo

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/islamic-state-syria_us_56191d6ce4b0e66ad4c82327

AHA.... damn homie.

Putin's the best thing that ever happened to ISIS.

So many Ls. So little time.

[poido123]

I'll do you one better.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/19/russia-bombs-isis-gains.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/10/world/middleeast/hussein-hamedani-iran-general-killed-in-syria.html?_r=0

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/10/russian-airstrikes-help-isis-gain-ground-in-aleppo

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/islamic-state-syria_us_56191d6ce4b0e66ad4c82327

AHA.... damn homie.

Putin's the best thing that ever happened to ISIS.

So many Ls. So little time.



All US tabloids. How could they possibly be wrong or biased?


:oldlol:


I think if you read a couple of Russian media sources and you would get a completely different story.

[CeltsGarlic]

I'll do you one better.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/19/russia-bombs-isis-gains.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/10/world/middleeast/hussein-hamedani-iran-general-killed-in-syria.html?_r=0

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/10/russian-airstrikes-help-isis-gain-ground-in-aleppo

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/islamic-state-syria_us_56191d6ce4b0e66ad4c82327

AHA.... damn homie.

Putin's the best thing that ever happened to ISIS.

So many Ls. So little time.

I dont know how you guys can read articles like those and just nod your head in agreement. Its just so one sided you just know its bullshit. The same thing is all those retarded pro putin articles in RT

[DonDadda59]

All US tabloids. How could they possibly be wrong?


:oldlol:


I think if you read a couple of Russian media sources and you would get a completely different story.

Russia can't afford to keep newspapers running right now. And if they did, they'd assassinate any reporter who actually did their job. :lol

You're the fool who actually thought Putin entered the Syrian theatre for some reason other than to do whatever it takes to keep Assad in power. This fool couldn't give 3 shits about ISIS. He's there to take out Assad's enemies, which include the Turkmen... Which is why Turkey punked him by shooting down his jet fighter.

Big Bad Vlad thought he was Obama and proclaimed he was going to sanction Turkey (http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/31/world/europe/russia-putin-turkey-sanctions.html)

Few weeks later he had to go back on his word because he couldn't afford it. (http://www.dailysabah.com/money/2016/01/16/desperate-russia-eases-sanctions-on-turkish-firms-1452887457)

How many Ls? How many can one man hold? :biggums:

[StephHamann]

You're the fool who actually thought Putin entered the Syrian theatre for some reason other than to do whatever it takes to keep Assad in power. This fool couldn't give 3 shits about ISIS. He's there to take out Assad's enemies, which include the Turkmen... Which is why Turkey punked him by shooting down his jet fighter.


Turkey=ISIS just sayin


Of course Putin wants to keep Assad in power, that is what evey sane person would do. Not keeping Assad in power means radical muslims run the country. There are no "moderate rebels"

Free democracy in the middle east means radical muslims win, look at Iran,Gaza or Egypt.

[poido123]

Turkey=ISIS just sayin


Of course Putin wants to keep Assad in power, that is what every sane person would do. Not keeping Assad in power means radical muslims run the country. There are no "moderate rebels"

Free democracy in the middle east means radical muslims win, look at Iran,Gaza or Egypt.


Yep. Assad is the best of a bad lot. Pictures of a progressive, happy family:

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02283/assadBdayCake_2283528k.jpg


http://www.cyclelicio.us/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/assad.jpg

http://i.alalam.ir/news/Image/original/2014/05/09/alalam_635352377434192295_25f_4x3.jpg

http://cdn2.theweek.co.uk/sites/theweek/files/styles/16x8_748/public/Asma%20Bashar.jpg?itok=udb6jlRk




Here is the alternative:

http://cbsnews1.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2012/02/12/16dde011-a645-11e2-a3f0-029118418759/thumbnail/620x350/6d8da135f9d3c868465adfbbb155352c/alqaeda_tAP12021209181.jpg

http://nteb.mudflowermedia.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/obama-signs-secret-pact-supporting-syrian-rebel-army.jpg


http://mobile.wnd.com/files/2013/12/cheering_syrian_rebels.jpg





Dondadda doesn't want to get into this debate, because then he'd have to talk about the wonders of the Syrian rebels and justify why Obama is supporting them instead of the most sane group in this region.

[DonD13]

Putin acting like a much creepier version of Roethlisberger.

Not surprised that a Kobe fan supported a rapist.

:lebronamazed:

[Dresta]

I'll do you one better.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/10/19/russia-bombs-isis-gains.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/10/world/middleeast/hussein-hamedani-iran-general-killed-in-syria.html?_r=0

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/10/russian-airstrikes-help-isis-gain-ground-in-aleppo

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/islamic-state-syria_us_56191d6ce4b0e66ad4c82327

AHA.... damn homie.

Putin's the best thing that ever happened to ISIS.

So many Ls. So little time.
:roll:

No-one with even the slightest bit of sense could take those obvious propaganda rags remotely seriously.

This story also sounds completely true :rolleyes:.

There is a worrying tendency in the UK for people to get smeared by these kind of vague-sounding reports, which never commit to anything, but make some kind of probabilistic statement, without providing any actual probabilities (or any real reasons for them). See the recent case of George Bell: an honorable man, with a fairly heroic past (helping German resistence, opposed to the nazis, and so on), whose reputation is now being trampled into the dust over some unverifiable 'child-abuse' accusation from the bloody 1940s (after the man had been dead for 60 years). His reputation has been tried and convicted without the presumption of innocence, or any respect for due process and the law; indeed, without even the right to defend himself. The posthumous destroying of reputations is a staple of totalitarianism.

Now it is "guilty until proven innocent," and we can decide this based on some report or some police inquiry, determining that something was 'probably' or 'perhaps' the case.

We are very quickly becoming a totalitarian state. I assure you, that when the state has the power to destroy reputations so easily, without trial or due process, that it will very quickly turn these powers against people it does not like and who say things of which it disapproves.

You are seeing the beginnings of it in the US also: the IRS being used as a political weapon, the political prosecution of people like Dinesh D'Souza for being mean about the President, and so on - looks like Obama is a secret admirer of Putin's methods tbh.

[Jameerthefear]

You have already used this deflective ploy before jameer.


time to register yourself on the sex register you disgusting creature.
The only disgusting creature here is you, you as a grown ass man spend your time on a basketball forum shitposting about Muslims every day and trying to "expose" an underage boy for liking underage girls. You're the biggest moron on this website.

[poido123]

The only disgusting creature here is you, you as a grown ass man spend your time on a basketball forum shitposting about Muslims every day and trying to "expose" an underage boy for liking underage girls. You're the biggest moron on this website.


You have a fascination with overly young girls that will only translate into your adult life.


If you can't see what is disturbing about your attraction to underage looking girls at 16 or 17 years old, well then you will learn the hard way once authorities track down your underage porn collection on the internet and you get thrown in the slammer.


I'd be sorting out help for this attraction that you have now, before you get yourself in trouble.


Best advice you will get.

[Jameerthefear]

You have a fascination with overly young girls that will only translate into your adult life.


If you can't see what is disturbing about your attraction to underage looking girls at 16 or 17 years old, well then you will learn the hard way once authorities track down your underage porn collection on the internet and you get thrown in the slammer.


I'd be sorting out help for this attraction that you have now, before you get yourself in trouble.


Best advice you will get.
See how stupid you are? You still just don't get it. It's like I'm talking to a wall :oldlol: You are still just so stupid.
I guess that's why you married a fat ass.

[FillJackson]

I think if you read a couple of Russian media sources and you would get a completely different story.

Have we finally found the source of Poido's stupidity?

[TheMan]

All US tabloids. How could they possibly be wrong or biased?


:oldlol:


I think if you read a couple of Russian media sources and you would get a completely different story.
Now you're just being willfully ignorant :facepalm

[Dresta]

Now you're just being willfully ignorant :facepalm
Western mainstream media outlets, so particularly the New York Times, The Economist, and various other supporters of the globalist status quo, of a world without borders, where the US can remove and install whatever governments it wants, wherever it chooses, are just as full as misinformation and propaganda as Russian media outlets; the only difference is the former are far more subtle about it, and thus more dangerous.

If you think it is just "Right-Wing" people who like the fact that Putin is standing up for his nation, and particularly, for the sovereignty of independent nations, then you are very much mistaken. He has considerable support on the Right and the Left, wherever people oppose the US/Globalist/Corporatist hegemony. Seems like George Galloway is a big fan:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3411723/George-Galloway-praises-world-s-popular-politician-Putin-says-report-blaming-Litvinenko-s-murder-farcical.html


Things are shaping up as the Left & Right vs. Globalist status quoers who favour a borderless world and mass, unrestricted and transformative immigration laws, that play directly into the hands of the big and greedy corporations the globalists constantly enable and empower.

You really aren't left-wing at all (nor are most of your ilk): more like a new kind of conservative: a conservative who accepts constant and unerring change as the status quo. Basically, a confused conservative.

[DrakeTheSnake]

The poster making this thread :oldlol:
:roll:

[Long Duck Dong]

The hero of ISH's right wing. How many Ls can one President hold? :biggums:

Why are you jawing off for? Your whole life is based around worshipping a deviant pedophile.


:yaohappy:

[DonDadda59]

:roll:

No-one with even the slightest bit of sense could take those obvious propaganda rags remotely seriously.



Wait, wait, wait... Putin actively assassinates any journalists who offer any dissenting voice to his rule (ie, the one who exposed his boy touching policies) but the New York Times is a 'propoganda rag'? :yaohappy:

Anyone with a basic understanding of the situation knows that the only reason Putin is in Syria is to keep Assad in power, not fight ISIS. His target is the various rebel groups and the Turkmen who threaten Assad's rule. The only place ISIS is making gains (beyond Libya) is in Syria, in areas where the Russians are actively bombing.


Why are you jawing off for? Your whole life is based around worshipping a deviant pedophile.

Michael Jordan diddle little boys? :lebronamazed: :(

[Dresta]

Wait, wait, wait... Putin actively assassinates any journalists who offer any dissenting voice to his rule (ie, the one who exposed his boy touching policies) but the New York Times is a 'propoganda rag'? :yaohappy:

Anyone with a basic understanding of the situation knows that the only reason Putin is in Syria is to keep Assad in power, not fight ISIS. His target is the various rebel groups and the Turkmen who threaten Assad's rule. The only place ISIS is making gains (beyond Libya) is in Syria, in areas where the Russians are actively bombing.

WTF are you talking about dude? I don't see what Putin has to do with the New York Times. It's like you can't even read, seriously.

Anyone with a basic understanding of the situation knows this thing has been a proxy intervention by American allies (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey) from the start - this has been backed and enabled by Obama himself since 2012. Nearly the entirety of the opposition (backed, armed and supported by Obama) is composed of Islamic extremists who refuse negotiation or compromise. The only sensible policy has been to support the regime and the Kurds, two things Obama has been reluctant to do (and Putin hasn't).

It's funny, you chalk this up to personal affinity, because you have a personal affinity for Obama (you worship the guy), and it betrays how narrow-minded you are; i couldn't care less about Putin the man; but that doesn't stop me from acknowledging that his foreign policy has somewhat countermanded the incredibly destructive and reckless foreign policy pursued by the United States Government over the last 20 years.


Seriously :facepalm @ you bringing up the Turkmen: you haven't got a ****ing clue.

[kentatm]

dude thought he was Donald Sutherland in Citizen X link (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-qjMgRFmRY)

but Putin be all https://www.gearslutz.com/board/attachments/mastering-forum/146165d1259517763-eq-mastering-diplomatic-immunity.jpg

[DonDadda59]

WTF are you talking about dude? I don't see what Putin has to do with the New York Times. It's like you can't even read, seriously.

Broseph, you obviously didn't bother to even click on the links you deemed "Obvious propaganda rags" (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12069073&postcount=36) :oldlol:

If you had, you would've known that the second link was to a NY Times story detailing the gains that ISIS made in Aleppo following Putin's bombing campaign.

But let's hear what the Russian media has to say about it (those media members who haven't been assassinated by the State for dissent I mean).



Seriously :facepalm @ you bringing up the Turkmen: you haven't got a ****ing clue.

You're just Poido with a thesaurus. Sit down. :yaohappy:

[Smook B]

WTF are you talking about dude? I don't see what Putin has to do with the New York Times. It's like you can't even read, seriously.

Anyone with a basic understanding of the situation knows this thing has been a proxy intervention by American allies (Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Turkey) from the start - this has been backed and enabled by Obama himself since 2012. Nearly the entirety of the opposition (backed, armed and supported by Obama) is composed of Islamic extremists who refuse negotiation or compromise. The only sensible policy has been to support the regime and the Kurds, two things Obama has been reluctant to do (and Putin hasn't).

It's funny, you chalk this up to personal affinity, because you have a personal affinity for Obama (you worship the guy), and it betrays how narrow-minded you are; i couldn't care less about Putin the man; but that doesn't stop me from acknowledging that his foreign policy has somewhat countermanded the incredibly destructive and reckless foreign policy pursued by the United States Government over the last 20 years.


Seriously :facepalm @ you bringing up the Turkmen: you haven't got a ****ing clue.

My god this slay.

http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/4304232/dwyane-wade-damn-o.gif

[poido123]

Broseph, you obviously didn't bother to even click on the links you deemed "Obvious propaganda rags" (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12069073&postcount=36) :oldlol:

If you had, you would've known that the second link was to a NY Times story detailing the gains that ISIS made in Aleppo following Putin's bombing campaign.

But let's hear what the Russian media has to say about it (those media members who haven't been assassinated by the State for dissent I mean).




You're just Poido with a thesaurus. Sit down. :yaohappy:


It gets to a point where it becomes a sickness when you continue to blurt your nonsense and Dresta continues to school you.


You pass off Dresta as me with a Thesaurus? You're getting your ass handed to you on a daily basis bro.


You won't provide a 'balanced opinion', even though you claim to be atheist. You won't tell me why it's a good idea for Obama to back the Syrian Rebels, as opposed to Assad, which seems the most sane group in all of this.


Keep clutching at minor arguments to prop up your bias. Putin has clearly been the imposing presence in this war on ISIS, not Obumma.

[DonDadda59]

It gets to a point where it becomes a sickness when you continue to blurt your nonsense and Dresta continues to school you.


You pass off Dresta as me with a Thesaurus? You're getting your ass handed to you on a daily basis bro.

I don't know which is more embarrassing- your life outside this place or you hanging off that man Dresta's sack like a third testicle on ISH. :lol



You won't provide a 'balanced opinion', even though you claim to be atheist. You won't tell me why it's a good idea for Obama to back the Syrian Rebels, as opposed to Assad, which seems the most sane group in all of this.


Before or after he used chemical weapons on his own people and caused the mass migration that you complain daily about?


Keep clutching at minor arguments to prop up your bias. Putin has clearly been the imposing presence in this war on ISIS, not Obumma.

Putin's main goal is keeping Assad in power, not fighting ISIS. He hasn't tried to hide this fact at all. And U.S. missions last year alone decreased ISIS' strength in Iraq by 40% and forced ISIS to slash their fighters' pay in half.

All this without putting 'boots on the ground' and entering another pointless, never-ending quagmire in the Middle East. :applause:

[poido123]

I don't know which is more embarrassing- your life outside this place or you hanging off that man Dresta's sack like a third testicle on ISH. :lol





Before or after he used chemical weapons on his own people and caused the mass migration that you complain daily about?



Putin's main goal is keeping Assad in power, not fighting ISIS. He hasn't tried to hide this fact at all. And U.S. missions last year alone decreased ISIS' strength in Iraq by 40% and forced ISIS to slash their fighters' pay in half.

All this without putting 'boots on the ground' and entering another pointless, never-ending quagmire in the Middle East. :applause:




Again, that is heresay, not factual. We cannot conclude that the U.S was solely responsible for those figures.


It wouldn't matter if they did put boots back on the ground, the US has already stirred the beehive years ago.

[DonDadda59]

Again, that is heresay, not factual.

Jesus. :facepalm

[poido123]

Jesus. :facepalm


Well it's not.



How can you conclusively say that this was solely the US doing based on American tabloids 'claiming responsibility'?


It's the same as if I calimed Russia was solely responsible for certain aspects from the war based off Russian tabloids.


Of course they are going to be biased and so are you BTW

[BoutPractice]

I would take this accusation with a grain of salt. In fact, I don't believe it at all.

With that said, Putin is a complete fraud and one day the hard right, both in Europe and the US, will finally wake up and realize it. I understand what they're looking for in a leader - he just ain't the guy.

He's nothing more than a glorified gangster, a kleptocrat who gave himself and his cronies billions (wait until they discover how rich the sucker truly is, and how many assets he's got all around the world) while presenting himself as the people's champion.

Meanwhile, his supposed political and tactical genius rests on the flimsiest of foundations.

His tricks are some of the oldest in the book:
1) energy blackmail (any one of you guys could do that too if you had access to natural resources)
2) intimidating and bullying opponents
3) when all else fails, a nice little war with a dash of foreign conspiracy can always buy you some time

Blackmail, intimidation and imaginary threats. It's what every strongman has been doing for a living, from Castro to Erdogan and Sisi and Kim Jong Un and Assad and Mugabe and all the others (which probably include over half the list of current world leaders). But somehow when Putin does it he's this brilliant mastermind.

[Dresta]

Before or after he used chemical weapons on his own people and caused the mass migration that you complain daily about?



Putin's main goal is keeping Assad in power, not fighting ISIS. He hasn't tried to hide this fact at all. And U.S. missions last year alone decreased ISIS' strength in Iraq by 40% and forced ISIS to slash their fighters' pay in half.

All this without putting 'boots on the ground' and entering another pointless, never-ending quagmire in the Middle East. :applause:That is the same goal you thick **** - when will you garner even the slightest understanding of what is going on in that region? If Assad falls and creates a power vacuum in Syria (like Obama wanted, and like he created in Libya btw) then it is ISIS that will gain from such a collapse (and groups like Al-Nusra, Ahrar ash-Sham, and other Islamists, also stand to gain - which is why these are the same groups that refuse to reach a ceasefire agreement, and prolong the conflict).

ISIS is being fought by Russia, the YPG, the Peshmerga, the Syrian Army, the Iraqi Army, Iranian and Shia militia, and even by other Sunni rebel groups - and from this, you take the idiotic position of asserting that 'U.S missions last year alone decreased ISIS's strength in Iraq by 40%' - it's like, how stupid can you be?

:hammerhead:

And why are you talking about chemical weapons like that means anything? Assad gave up his chemical weapons already; i can't say the same thing about Turkey, which has repeatedly used chemical weapons against its Kurdish minority, and yet remains a faithful ally and member of NATO. There is fair evidence that the Islamists have also used chemical weapons, and they could only have got these from Turkey.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/war-with-isis-us-investigating-chemical-weapons-attacks-against-kurds-in-iraq-10456619.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/isis-obtained-materials-chemical-weapons-7020810



Turkish MP Eren Erdem claims the terror thugs received all the components required to produce deadly sarin gas through Ankara

Two MPs have come out with wiretapped audio evidence that Turkey was sending Sarin to Syria through proxy agents.

Assad caused the mass-migration did he now? You mean it wasn't Obama & co's crusades to "liberate" Libya and Syria that caused that? Anything to excuse your deity, i guess; you ridicule religion, and yet here you are, making an endless parade of idiotic excuses, so you can keep treating a foolish and irresponsible man like he's some kind of God. I think you'll find most of the migrants crossing into Europe are not even Syrian, so there goes that moronic argument.

Got any other stupid and ill-informed opinions you need to be corrected on? It's hard to think how someone could possibly be more wrong than you.

[LJJ]

I would take this accusation with a grain of salt. In fact, I don't believe it at all.

With that said, Putin is a complete fraud and one day the hard right, both in Europe and the US, will finally wake up and realize it. I understand what they're looking for in a leader - he just ain't the guy.

He's nothing more than a glorified gangster, a kleptocrat who gave himself and his cronies billions (wait until they discover how rich the sucker truly is, and how many assets he's got all around the world) while presenting himself as the people's champion.

Meanwhile, his supposed political and tactical genius rests on the flimsiest of foundations.

His tricks are some of the oldest in the book:
1) energy blackmail (any one of you guys could do that too if you had access to natural resources)
2) intimidating and bullying opponents
3) when all else fails, a nice little war with a dash of foreign conspiracy can always buy you some time

Blackmail, intimidation and imaginary threats. It's what every strongman has been doing for a living, from Castro to Erdogan and Sisi and Kim Jong Un and Assad and Mugabe and all the others (which probably include over half the list of current world leaders). But somehow when Putin does it he's this brilliant mastermind.

You have to be a special kind of gullible to believe the FSB has tapes and evidence of Putin abusing kids, yet he was still able to rise to the top and hold Russia firmly in his grasp for almost two decades.

That said I agree with the rest of your post, but I don't think many people are actually glorifying Putin. Maybe some idiots are, but for the most parts that stuff about "manly Putin" and him being righteous is just a joke. Obviously Putin is a crook and a gangster.

The thing is more, that Putin's foreign policy for the most part is very easy to understand and reasonable. Russia is also not in a position to be much more than that. It's obvious to understand why Putin doesn't want Ukraine to be under NATO's wing and doesn't want Ukraine to be part of the EU. It's obvious why Putin doesn't want a bunch of raving Islamist lunatics in charge over Assad in Syria. It's actually not brilliant at all, it's logical, simple and reasonable.

It's not so reasonable why the US and Europe so desperately want Ukraine in NATO and the EU, rather than let it exist as a mostly neutral buffer between the west and Russia. The US supporting jihadist with absolutely appalling, horrific ideals against Assad is also not so reasonable. In this instance it's actually the US and their allies playing dirty and Russia countering to the best of their abilities.
So that's why people who are for peace and for stability often align with Putin on these issues. It's just pragmatic, not because Putin is such a swell guy.

[BoutPractice]

Dresta and LLJ, fair enough but do you honestly think Assad can regain control of the situation at this point?

Not speaking in terms of what should happen.

Just what could realistically happen.

Do you see any scenario where Assad suddenly wins, then peace returns and life goes on?

And if you do see that endgame as our best shot at this point, how many people do you think need to die before we get to it?

[Dresta]

I would take this accusation with a grain of salt. In fact, I don't believe it at all.

With that said, Putin is a complete fraud and one day the hard right, both in Europe and the US, will finally wake up and realize it. I understand what they're looking for in a leader - he just ain't the guy.

He's nothing more than a glorified gangster, a kleptocrat who gave himself and his cronies billions (wait until they discover how rich the sucker truly is, and how many assets he's got all around the world) while presenting himself as the people's champion.

Meanwhile, his supposed political and tactical genius rests on the flimsiest of foundations.

His tricks are some of the oldest in the book:
1) energy blackmail (any one of you guys could do that too if you had access to natural resources)
2) intimidating and bullying opponents
3) when all else fails, a nice little war with a dash of foreign conspiracy can always buy you some time

Blackmail, intimidation and imaginary threats. It's what every strongman has been doing for a living, from Castro to Erdogan and Sisi and Kim Jong Un and Assad and Mugabe and all the others (which probably include over half the list of current world leaders). But somehow when Putin does it he's this brilliant mastermind.
He is right about national sovereignty and he is right about the arrogance and conceit of America being an incredibly destructive geopolitical force. He was clearly right about the Iraqi, Syrian and Libyan interventions, and yet he was dismissed and ignored at the time because of who he was. Your attacks are too easy, and fundamentally, they're irrelevant to the discussion at hand, which is about foreign policy, where the Russians have been proven right repeatedly.

on Iraq invasion:
The Russian leader called the war on Iraq "a big political mistake."

"If we allow international law to be replaced by the law of the fist," Putin said, "then one of the main principles of international law, the principle of the inviolability of the sovereignty of states, will be thrown into question."

Putin expressed concern about a new international landscape in which the U.S. views heeding world opinion in global crises as an option, not a necessity.

Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev called the U.S. action "an attempt to teach a lesson to all other states and shows that the U.S. administration is trying to make the world its own province."

Country has now suffered more than a decade of brutal sectarian conflict.

On Libya: [QUOTE]He launched into an extended, caustic attack on the NATO campaign, saying it violated the principle of sovereignty and the wishes of the Libyan people.

[LJJ]

Dresta and LLJ, fair enough but do you honestly think Assad can regain control of the situation at this point?

Not speaking in terms of what should happen.

Just what could realistically happen.

Do you see any scenario where Assad suddenly wins, then peace returns and life goes on?

And if you do see that endgame as our best shot at this point, how many people do you think need to die before we get to it?

I think it's pretty much the only possible solution to the conflict at this point. It's either going to be Assad, or it's going to be the Assad regime without it's figure head because the US requires this symbolism. Keeping all of the Assad regime there but banishing Assad is exactly the type of of pyrrhic victory the US would agree to at this point, I think. Even though that would only decrease actual stability. But there is just no way some type of new, modern government for a unified Syria can arise from the ashes of this conflict.

Syria has always had to deal with a significant undercurrent of Sunni hardliners who despise the government. Take the weapons out of their hands, and stability will mostly return.

This conflict will never really end as long as the Saudis, the US and Turkey keep pouring resources into the conflict though. The rebels having free and unopposed access to the Turkish border is the biggest problem for the nationalists. I think most likely we'll see a stable nationalist Syria in the west and south, a semi-autonomous stable Kurdish area in the north-east with the grace of Assad, and an ever perilous, unpoliced conservative area in the north which keeps smouldering indefinitely. Much like the south-Afghanistan/east-Pakistan border area.