The Spurs did not give the Heat the worse loss in NBA Finals history in 2013

[sportjames23]

I see some of ya'll here keep saying San Antonio gave Miami the biggest beatdown in NBA Finals history back in 2013. I know SA whooped that ass in Game 3, but after seeing some here saying it was the worst loss, I was like, "Hold up--didn't the Bulls dropkick the Jazz by a bigger margin back in the 1998 Finals?"

Yep, they sure did:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1670210-most-one-sided-nba-finals-beat-downs-in-history-after-game-3

SA beat Miami by 36 points. The Bulls beat the Jazz by 42. Not only that, but they also held the Jazz to the lowest scoring output in NBA Finals AND playoffs history at 54 points. :bowdown:

So ya'll need to come correct when saying SA gave the Heat the biggest loss in Finals history. SA's win wasn't even the second-biggest--Boston beat the Lakers by 39 in Game 6 of the 2008 Finals.

[Spurs m8]

They did in 2014 though tbh


The Spurs’ 14.5-point margin of victory was the highest in NBA Finals history.

[Bankaii]

Except no one on here says that...

[Mr Feeny]

I see some of ya'll here keep saying San Antonio gave Miami the biggest beatdown in NBA Finals history back in 2013. I know SA whooped that ass in Game 3, but after seeing some here saying it was the worst loss, I was like, "Hold up--didn't the Bulls dropkick the Jazz by a bigger margin back in the 1998 Finals?"

Yep, they sure did:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1670210-most-one-sided-nba-finals-beat-downs-in-history-after-game-3

SA beat Miami by 36 points. The Bulls beat the Jazz by 42. Not only that, but they also held the Jazz to the lowest scoring output in NBA Finals AND playoffs history at 54 points. :bowdown:

So ya'll need to come correct when saying SA gave the Heat the biggest loss in Finals history. SA's win wasn't even the second-biggest--Boston beat the Lakers by 39 in Game 6 of the 2008 Finals.

Trust me nobody forgot Boston demolishing Kobe and the Lakers in game 6:lol
7/22 and made only 3/17 shots, hoisting up bricks after brick and committing turnover after turnover as the Celtics humiliated the Lakers under Kobe's watch:rockon:
That was brutal.

[plowking]

Lebron choked in 2014 though. Couldn't beat the entire Spurs by himself.

[3ball]

They did in 2014 though tbh


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Why Lebron could've won 2014 Finals:



Dallas and OKC hold Kawhi to 12 ppg on ~45%


Result: competitive series


Portland and Heat let Kawhi score 18 ppg on ~57%


Result: Massacre



Instead of letting a role player be > Duncan, it's clear that holding Kawhi to 12 ppg on 45% would've made the series far more competitive, just like DAL and OKC did.

Now if Lebron adds more offensive aggression AS WELL, the Heat could've won.. He had the necessary offensive aggression in 2015 Finals (he literally doubled his shot attempts) and it resulted in 2 wins with worse supporting cast against better team - but once again, his lack of defense by letting a role player be > Curry prevented the Cavs from winning 4 games.

Btw, Lebron can't get carried off the floor in Game 1 of 2014 Finals - it's kind of hard to instill confidence or hold teammates accountable on both sides of the ball after that.

[3ball]

didn't the Bulls dropkick the Jazz by a bigger margin back in the 1998 Finals?"

Yep, they sure did:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1670210-most-one-sided-nba-finals-beat-downs-in-history-after-game-3

The Bulls beat the Jazz by 42. Not only that, but they also held the Jazz to the lowest scoring output in NBA Finals AND playoffs history at 54 points. :bowdown:



The amazing thing is that Jordan had the same or less help in 1998 Finals than Lebron had in 2015 Finals:


2nd best player: Pippen averaged 15 ppg on 41%, including 6 and 8 points in final two games - this is worse than Mosgov's 14/8 on 55%.

3rd best player: Rodman didn't even start in 1998 Finals and averaged 4/8 on 46%, which is far worse than Tristan Thompson's 10/13 on 50%.

The others: Rodman's massive deficit to Thompson is partially offset by Kukoc's 15 ppg on 50% > JR Smith's 12 ppg on 31%... Harper and Kerr (5.3 and 3.8 ppg on 35% each) compare to Delly and Iman's (7.5 and 6.5 ppg on 27% each).

The difference in the series was that Jordan didn't let Byron Russell be > Karl Malone, whereas Lebron let Iggy be > Curry.. Jordan also guarded John Stockton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOuMwmXtgd0) alot, and he didn't play well... Finally, Jordan scored 43.6% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) of his teams points while on the floor in Finals, compared to Lebron's 40.0% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4), including a ridiculous 49.1% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) of his teams 4th quarter points, compared to Lebron's 44.5% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4).

[sportjames23]

They did in 2014 though tbh


Ok, using that stat, they're correct.

[sportjames23]

The amazing thing is that Jordan had the same or less help in 1998 Finals than Lebron had in 2015 Finals:


2nd best player: Pippen averaged 15 ppg on 41%, including 6 and 8 points in final two games - this is worse than Mosgov's 14/8 on 55%.

3rd best player: Rodman didn't even start in 1998 Finals and averaged 4/8 on 46%, which is far worse than Tristan Thompson's 10/13 on 50%.

The others: Rodman's massive deficit to Thompson is partially offset by Kukoc's 15 ppg on 50% > JR Smith's 12 ppg on 31%... Harper and Kerr (5.3 and 3.8 ppg on 35% each) compare to Delly and Iman's (7.5 and 6.5 ppg on 27% each).

The difference in the series was that Jordan didn't let Byron Russell be > Karl Malone, whereas Lebron let Iggy be > Curry.. Jordan also guarded John Stockton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOuMwmXtgd0) alot, and he didn't play well... Finally, Jordan scored 43.6% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) of his teams points while on the floor in Finals, compared to Lebron's 40.0% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4), including a ridiculous 49.1% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) of his teams 4th quarter points, compared to Lebron's 44.5% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4).


Has anyone so thoroughly demolished any players' myth as much as 3ball has destroyed Bron's? :oldlol:

Yo, 3ball, you're almost at 10,000 posts. :cheers:

[Segatti]

The 2011 Mavs is much better than that Jazz, the 2012 OKC is better than that Jazz, any of the Spurs teams of the last fifteen years are better than that Jazz, the current Golden State is better than that Jazz...

The "goat" winning against shitty competition, as always :lol

[Straight_Ballin]

Has anyone so thoroughly demolished any players' myth as much as 3ball has destroyed Bron's? :oldlol:

Yo, 3ball, you're almost at 10,000 posts. :cheers:

Has any era had the wool pulled over their eyes more so than the bran era?

At least during the MJ and Kobe era people didn't have to make shit up to convince themselves that the face of the NBA was this or that.

Never before has their been an era of so much excuse to justify a player's shortcomings and failures.

[aj1987]

Has any era had the wool pulled over their eyes more so than the bran era?

At least during the MJ and Kobe era people didn't have to make shit up to convince themselves that the face of the NBA was this or that.

Never before has their been an era of so much excuse to justify a player's shortcomings and failures.
You are a sad little man.

[jlip]

The amazing thing is that Jordan had the same or less help in 1998 Finals than Lebron had in 2015 Finals:


2nd best player: Pippen averaged 15 ppg on 41%, including 6 and 8 points in final two games - this is worse than Mosgov's 14/8 on 55%.

3rd best player: Rodman didn't even start in 1998 Finals and averaged 4/8 on 46%, which is far worse than Tristan Thompson's 10/13 on 50%.

The others: Rodman's massive deficit to Thompson is partially offset by Kukoc's 15 ppg on 50% > JR Smith's 12 ppg on 31%... Harper and Kerr (5.3 and 3.8 ppg on 35% each) compare to Delly and Iman's (7.5 and 6.5 ppg on 27% each).





The difference in the series was that Jordan didn't let Byron Russell be > Karl Malone, whereas Lebron let Iggy be > Curry.. Jordan also guarded John Stockton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOuMwmXtgd0) alot, and he didn't play well... Finally, Jordan scored 43.6% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) of his teams points while on the floor in Finals, compared to Lebron's 40.0% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4), including a ridiculous 49.1% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) of his teams 4th quarter points, compared to Lebron's 44.5% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4).






Has anyone so thoroughly demolished any players' myth as much as 3ball has destroyed Bron's? :oldlol:

Yo, 3ball, you're almost at 10,000 posts. :cheers:



Please tell me that your endorsement of 3ball's posts is sarcasm.



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11482128&postcount=84

[Showtime2001]

Has any era had the wool pulled over their eyes more so than the bran era?

At least during the MJ and Kobe era people didn't have to make shit up to convince themselves that the face of the NBA was this or that.

Never before has their been an era of so much excuse to justify a player's shortcomings and failures.
If Kobe or the GOAT Jordan went 2/6 in the finals they would be ripped into shreds but since its LeChoke the excuses always come when he fails and clowns cant admit that he just got beat and isnt as good Jordan or Kobe.

[Smoke117]

The amazing thing is that Jordan had the same or less help in 1998 Finals than Lebron had in 2015 Finals:


2nd best player: Pippen averaged 15 ppg on 41%, including 6 and 8 points in final two games - this is worse than Mosgov's 14/8 on 55%.

3rd best player: Rodman didn't even start in 1998 Finals and averaged 4/8 on 46%, which is far worse than Tristan Thompson's 10/13 on 50%.

The others: Rodman's massive deficit to Thompson is partially offset by Kukoc's 15 ppg on 50% > JR Smith's 12 ppg on 31%... Harper and Kerr (5.3 and 3.8 ppg on 35% each) compare to Delly and Iman's (7.5 and 6.5 ppg on 27% each).

The difference in the series was that Jordan didn't let Byron Russell be > Karl Malone, whereas Lebron let Iggy be > Curry.. Jordan also guarded John Stockton (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOuMwmXtgd0) alot, and he didn't play well... Finally, Jordan scored 43.6% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4) of his teams points while on the floor in Finals, compared to Lebron's 40.0% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4), including a ridiculous 49.1% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4) of his teams 4th quarter points, compared to Lebron's 44.5% (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4).

Pippen was a huge reason the Bulls were even up 3-1 in the first place in that 98 series...his all time great defense and all around stellar numbers were why he was the favorite for FMVP till he hurt his back in game 5. I love how your stupid ass just dismisses 3 out of 4 of the Bulls wins...three wins that Scottie was a huge part of. In 3balls head, Pippen could have been injured the entire series and the Bulls would still have won the way they did. :facepalm

[riseagainst]

Lebron choked in 2014 though. Couldn't beat the entire Spurs by himself.

why didn't he share the ball more and trust his teammates?

[jlip]

why didn't he share the ball more and trust his teammates?


Proactive 3ball/ riseagainst alt damage control. Post as both alts in the same thread so that people won't remember this:




This is where you're wrong - MJ is relevant because of everything you just said - the media mischaracterized Lebron as being on MJ's level, and each time Lebron comes up short, it becomes more evident that he isn't.

In this particular discussion, the skill that MJ is best-known for - isolation ability - was the biggest factor that reduced Lebron's overall fg% in these playoffs.

Since iso ability was the biggest factor holding back Lebron's FG%, we know that MJ would've shot much better in the exact same spots (shown above), since his iso ability was goat.

If something ELSE had been the biggest factor holding Lebron's FG% back, then MJ wouldn't be relevant.. But it was iso ability, and MJ is widely regarded as the goat isolator.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11578591&postcount=41

Then in the very next post, riseagainst quotes himself, but mistakenly refers to the poster hes quoting as "3ball". Evidently he forgot to switch alts before submitting his posts. See below.


:biggums:

this 3ball guy is insane.

:roll:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11578593&postcount=42


I immediately catch it, and call him out on it in the very next post.


Ummmm... You do realize you just quoted your own post. Are you 3ball and just forgot to log out as riseagainst?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11578645&postcount=43

Another poster catches it right after me.

Did riseagainst just out himself as 3ball? :biggums:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11578656&postcount=44

Two posts later after being caught, here is riseagainst's/ 3ball's response:


shlt.....

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11578669&postcount=46



After being exposed, he later in the thread submits posts as both different alts in an attempt to demonstrate they aren't the same poster. I'm just not buying it.

[livinglegend]

Proactive 3ball/ riseagainst alt damage control. Post as both alts in the same thread so that people won't remember this:





http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11578591&postcount=41

Then in the very next post, riseagainst quotes himself, but mistakenly refers to the poster hes quoting as "3ball". Evidently he forgot to switch alts before submitting his posts. See below.



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11578593&postcount=42


I immediately catch it, and call him out on it in the very next post.



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11578645&postcount=43

Another poster catches it right after me.


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11578656&postcount=44

Two posts later after being caught, here is riseagainst's/ 3ball's response:



http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11578669&postcount=46



After being exposed, he later in the thread submits posts as both different alts in an attempt to demonstrate they aren't the same poster. I'm just not buying it.

:biggums:

EXPOSED

[Spurs5Rings2014]

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Why Lebron could've won 2014 Finals:



Dallas and OKC hold Kawhi to 12 ppg on ~45%


Result: competitive series


Portland and Heat let Kawhi score 18 ppg on ~57%


Result: Massacre



Instead of letting a role player be > Duncan, it's clear that holding Kawhi to 12 ppg on 45% would've made the series far more competitive, just like DAL and OKC did.

LeBron did that shit on purpose, tbh. It's very 2011 finals-esque in that he made sure Duncan didn't get his 4th FMVP to ensure he had a better shot of catching him down the line on the top 10 list just like he made sure Wade didn't get his second FMVP as well as then he would have a much better case all-time over him.

:coleman: