Top 10 highest scoring games (playoffs)

[Angel Face]

1. Michael Jordan 63 1986-04-20 CHI
2. Charles Barkley 56 1994-05-04 PHO
3. Michael Jordan 56 1992-04-29 CHI
4. Allen Iverson 55 2003-04-20 PHI
5. Michael Jordan 55 1997-04-27 CHI
6. Michael Jordan 55 1993-06-16 CHI
7. Michael Jordan 55 1988-05-01 CHI
8. Allen Iverson 54 2001-05-09 PHI
9. Michael Jordan 54 1993-05-31 CHI
10. Allen Iverson 52 2001-05-16 PHI

[TheImmortal]

Has LeBron scored 50 in the playoffs?

[Angel Face]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_game_p.html

For a guy as dominant as Wilt, where's his name? :confusedshrug:

[TheImmortal]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_game_p.html

For a guy as dominant as Wilt, where's his name? :confusedshrug:
Damn.. you'd think LeBron would pulloff one 50pt game considering the conference he's in.. pathetic. Officially out of my top 15 list (and I'm a huge LeBron stan).

[AintNoSunshine]

Damn.. you'd think LeBron would pulloff one 50pt game considering the conference he's in.. pathetic. Officially out of my top 15 list (and I'm a huge LeBron stan).
WTF are you talking about? Lebron is a top 10 all time player but scoring isn't even his greatest attribute. It's like asking why Kareem isn't on a list of most assist made in a game. It's straight up retarded.

Kobe on the other hand is supposed to be one of the greatest scorer, where the fk is he on this list? He should at least be better than 6ft Iverson right???

[SpaceJam]

WTF are you talking about? Lebron is a top 10 all time player but scoring isn't even his greatest attribute. It's like asking why Kareem isn't on a list of most assist made in a game. It's straight up retarded.

Kobe on the other hand is supposed to be one of the greatest scorer, where the fk is he on this list? He should at least be better than 6ft Iverson right???

No it's f^cking not :roll:

[TheImmortal]

WTF are you talking about? Lebron is a top 10 all time player but scoring isn't even his greatest attribute. It's like asking why Kareem isn't on a list of most assist made in a game. It's straight up retarded.

Kobe on the other hand is supposed to be one of the greatest scorer, where the fk is he on this list? He should at least be better than 6ft Iverson right???
Dumbest post I've seen in quite some time. Kareem has never lead the league in assists.. LeBron has (led the league in scoring).. Bran is still the youngest ever to have x amount of points. He's a scorer and dominates/monopolizes the ball unlike anyone that has come before him. Dummy.


Bran is in the 20-30 range all-time. And I'm saying this as a huge Bran stan btw.. be realistic youngin.

[Angel Face]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_game_p.html

For a guy as dominant as Wilt, where's his name? :confusedshrug:

OK this is dumb, just noticed since 1984 :facepalm

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Damn.. you'd think LeBron would pulloff one 50pt game considering the conference he's in.. pathetic. Officially out of my top 15 list (and I'm a huge LeBron stan).
Kobe has exactly one (in a game that he lost), LeBron has two spots before Kobe's next appearance on the list. You're ****ing retarded.

If I'm counting correctly, Kobe has 6 in the top 100 and LeBron has 9. Why doesn't Kobe have more? :confusedshrug:

[ImKobe]

Has LeBron scored 50 in the playoffs?

His Playoff high is 49 vs Magic and Nets

[WayOfWade]

OK this is dumb, just noticed since 1984 :facepalm
I was gonna say, weird that not only is Wilt not on here, but Jerry West and John Havlicek both have 50+ point playoff games yet they're not on the list. Kudos for catching yourself before anyone else did tho :cheers:

[feyki]

You forgot finals record(highest) .

[3ball]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_game_p.html

For a guy as dominant as Wilt, where's his name? :confusedshrug:


nice link - it shows the top 100 scoring performances in the playoffs.

MJ has nearly 1/3 of the performances, AND he's the best defender on the list outside of Hakeem (who appears on the list 3 times)... :bowdown:

[Mr Feeny]

1. Michael Jordan 63 1986-04-20 CHI
2. Charles Barkley 56 1994-05-04 PHO
3. Michael Jordan 56 1992-04-29 CHI
4. Allen Iverson 55 2003-04-20 PHI
5. Michael Jordan 55 1997-04-27 CHI
6. Michael Jordan 55 1993-06-16 CHI
7. Michael Jordan 55 1988-05-01 CHI
8. Allen Iverson 54 2001-05-09 PHI
9. Michael Jordan 54 1993-05-31 CHI
10. Allen Iverson 52 2001-05-16 PHI

It's worth mentioning that Jordan had 52 points in 3 quarters. In the 56 point game against miami in 1992, he started with a 4 point first quarter before some of the Heat players began trash talking.
He went ballistic and proceeded to put 52 in 3 quarters. Pretty insane considering that the nba record for the postseason is 63 points (by MJ). His output in just 3 quarters is not far off that and is more than Kobe for example has ever managed to get in a playoff game. Ever.

[feyki]

61 by Elgin in 62 finals

56 by Wilt (probably in 62 playoffs)

55 by Barry in 67 finals

54 by Hondo in 73 playoffs

53 by West (probably in 69 finals)

[BuffaloBill]

61 by Elgin in 62 finals

56 by Wilt (probably in 62 playoffs)

55 by Barry in 67 finals

54 by Hondo in 73 playoffs

53 by West (probably in 69 finals)



probably?

[Psileas]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/...ts_game_p.html

For a guy as dominant as Wilt, where's his name?

Right behind Jordan's and Baylor's and right behind Jordan's in total playoff 50 point games. Dominant, indeed.
The list obviously doesn't cover the whole NBA history and you should have noticed it.

[feyki]

probably?

I forgot :confusedshrug:

[LAZERUSS]

Right behind Jordan's and Baylor's and right behind Jordan's in total playoff 50 point games. Dominant, indeed.
The list obviously doesn't cover the whole NBA history and you should have noticed it.

Wilt's 56 point game, in a must win game, came in regulation, as well (in a win BTW.) Jordan's 63 point game came in loss, and in double OT (he had 54 in regulation.)

Wilt had another 53 point, again in a must win game (and a win), and another 50 point game, against Russell, in yet another must win win. And one more 50 point game, which came in a series that was tied 2-2, and eventually a series win (with a game seven of 39-26-10.)

[SouBeachTalents]

Damn.. you'd think LeBron would pulloff one 50pt game considering the conference he's in.. pathetic. Officially out of my top 15 list (and I'm a huge LeBron stan).

Lol, Kobe scored exactly 50 once, while LeBron scored 49 twice. Plus he's on that list 9 times, while Kobe's on it 6

[ClipperRevival]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_game_p.html

For a guy as dominant as Wilt, where's his name? :confusedshrug:

Teammates' fault.

[ClipperRevival]

"The Big Dipper" indeed.

RS: 30.1
PO: 22.5
Finals: 18.7


MJ
RS:30.1
PO: 33.4
Finals: 33.6

Hakeem
RS: 21.8
PO: 25.9
Finals: 27.5

[TheMarkMadsen]

1. Michael Jordan* 759 1992 CHI
2. Hakeem Olajuwon* 725 1995 HOU
3. Allen Iverson 723 2001 PHI
4. Shaquille O'Neal 707 2000 LAL
5. LeBron James 697 2012 MIA
6. Kobe Bryant 695 2009 LAL
7. Michael Jordan* 680 1998 CHI
8. Kobe Bryant 671 2010 LAL
9. Michael Jordan* 666 1993 CHI
10. Hakeem Olajuwon* 664 1994 HOU
11. Dwyane Wade 654 2006 MIA
12. Charles Barkley* 638 1993 PHO
13. Kobe Bryant 633 2008 LAL
14. Larry Bird* 632 1984 BOS
15. Larry Bird* 622 1987 BOS


Kobe Bryant with three of the fifteen highest scoring post seasons of all time, all came within 3 consecutive years from 08-10..

:bowdown: :bowdown:

[Dr Hawk]

1. Michael Jordan* 759 1992 CHI
2. Hakeem Olajuwon* 725 1995 HOU
3. Allen Iverson 723 2001 PHI
4. Shaquille O'Neal 707 2000 LAL
5. LeBron James 697 2012 MIA
6. Kobe Bryant 695 2009 LAL
7. Michael Jordan* 680 1998 CHI
8. Kobe Bryant 671 2010 LAL
9. Michael Jordan* 666 1993 CHI
10. Hakeem Olajuwon* 664 1994 HOU
11. Dwyane Wade 654 2006 MIA
12. Charles Barkley* 638 1993 PHO
13. Kobe Bryant 633 2008 LAL
14. Larry Bird* 632 1984 BOS
15. Larry Bird* 622 1987 BOS


Kobe Bryant with three of the fifteen highest scoring post seasons of all time, all came within 3 consecutive years from 08-10..

:bowdown: :bowdown:

Hakeem Olajuwon, elite offense, elite defense :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Kblaze8855]

Hondos 54 point game I think still has the FG made record.

And people really must stop posting playoff totals records when modern players get soooooooooo many more games. Not to mention...in the playoffs dominance reduces your totals because of less games played when you sweep as opposed to get taken to 6 or 7 games.

Playoff totals are just mess without a lot of context.

Some of these guys played with first round byes, best of 3 rounds, and so on. Jerry West scored 40 points a game in the playoffs on a finals run but cant crack a totals list...because of less rounds.

[ClipperRevival]

1. Michael Jordan* 759 1992 CHI
2. Hakeem Olajuwon* 725 1995 HOU
3. Allen Iverson 723 2001 PHI
4. Shaquille O'Neal 707 2000 LAL
5. LeBron James 697 2012 MIA
6. Kobe Bryant 695 2009 LAL
7. Michael Jordan* 680 1998 CHI
8. Kobe Bryant 671 2010 LAL
9. Michael Jordan* 666 1993 CHI
10. Hakeem Olajuwon* 664 1994 HOU
11. Dwyane Wade 654 2006 MIA
12. Charles Barkley* 638 1993 PHO
13. Kobe Bryant 633 2008 LAL
14. Larry Bird* 632 1984 BOS
15. Larry Bird* 622 1987 BOS


Kobe Bryant with three of the fifteen highest scoring post seasons of all time, all came within 3 consecutive years from 08-10..

:bowdown: :bowdown:

Totals aren't as important as per game. You could have played more games.

[SouBeachTalents]

The official list

1. Jordan 63 in '86 First round
2. Baylor 61 in '62 Finals
3. Wilt 56 in '62 First round
3. Jordan 56 in '92 First round
3. Barkley 56 in '94 First round
6. Barry 55 in '67 Finals
6. Jordan 55 in '93 Finals
6. Jordan 55 in '88 First round
6. Jordan 55 in '97 First round
6. Iverson 55 in '03 First round

[TheMarkMadsen]

Hondos 54 point game I think still has the FG made record.

And people really must stop posting playoff totals records when modern players get soooooooooo many more games. Not to mention...in the playoffs dominance reduces your totals because of less games played when you sweep as opposed to get taken to 6 or 7 games.

Playoff totals are just mess without a lot of context.

Some of these guys played with first round byes, best of 3 rounds, and so on. Jerry West scored 40 points a game in the playoffs on a finals run but cant crack a totals list...because of less rounds.

Ok? I think most people can figure that out for themselves, but it's still impressive to see that type of scoring in the playoffs.

If you're going to devalue totals because of players from past eras playing significantly less games then you should also provide context on how many less games/series players from that era had to play through to get a ring compared to teams of today when discussing Russel's Celtics compared to great teams from more recent Era's like the 90's bulls and 00's Lakers.

nobody bats an eye at Bill Russell wining 8 of his rings in an era where he played less than 15 games to win the title (some years as little at 10), but when somebody brings up playoffs totals it's "unfair". Well its unfair that Russells celtics played one team to get to the finals most years while teams today have to play three.

Obviously playoff totals don't account for the dominance of teams like the 96 bulls and 01 Lakers.

[dhsilv]

1. Michael Jordan* 759 1992 CHI
2. Hakeem Olajuwon* 725 1995 HOU
3. Allen Iverson 723 2001 PHI
4. Shaquille O'Neal 707 2000 LAL
5. LeBron James 697 2012 MIA
6. Kobe Bryant 695 2009 LAL
7. Michael Jordan* 680 1998 CHI
8. Kobe Bryant 671 2010 LAL
9. Michael Jordan* 666 1993 CHI
10. Hakeem Olajuwon* 664 1994 HOU
11. Dwyane Wade 654 2006 MIA
12. Charles Barkley* 638 1993 PHO
13. Kobe Bryant 633 2008 LAL
14. Larry Bird* 632 1984 BOS
15. Larry Bird* 622 1987 BOS


Kobe Bryant with three of the fifteen highest scoring post seasons of all time, all came within 3 consecutive years from 08-10..

:bowdown: :bowdown:

I miss the days of 1000+ points scores in an nba game???

[dhsilv]

Hakeem Olajuwon, elite offense, elite defense :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

*point scoring!

Points are NOT offense!

[Dr Hawk]

*point scoring!

Points are NOT offense!

I know......

Will you deny though that Olajuwon was elite offensively?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Totals aren't as important as per game. You could have played more games.

Uhmm isn't this thread about the highest scoring playoff games, aka one game, aka more players could have played more playoff games and had more chances?

and I never said they were as important, but it's impressive. Most if not all of those guys were averaging 30+ ppg for an entire 20+ game playoff run. That is elite scoring/consistency on the biggest stage (the playoffs)

[TheMarkMadsen]

I miss the days of 1000+ points scores in an nba game???

I miss the days where people could read??


highest scoring post seasons

[24-Inch_Chrome]

1. Michael Jordan* 759 1992 CHI
2. Hakeem Olajuwon* 725 1995 HOU
3. Allen Iverson 723 2001 PHI
4. Shaquille O'Neal 707 2000 LAL
5. LeBron James 697 2012 MIA
6. Kobe Bryant 695 2009 LAL
7. Michael Jordan* 680 1998 CHI
8. Kobe Bryant 671 2010 LAL
9. Michael Jordan* 666 1993 CHI
10. Hakeem Olajuwon* 664 1994 HOU
11. Dwyane Wade 654 2006 MIA
12. Charles Barkley* 638 1993 PHO
13. Kobe Bryant 633 2008 LAL
14. Larry Bird* 632 1984 BOS
15. Larry Bird* 622 1987 BOS


Kobe Bryant with three of the fifteen highest scoring post seasons of all time, all came within 3 consecutive years from 08-10..

:bowdown: :bowdown:
How many games for each player's postseason?

[feyki]

The official list

1. Jordan 63 in '86 First round
2. Baylor 61 in '62 Finals
3. Wilt 56 in '62 First round
3. Jordan 56 in '92 First round
3. Barkley 56 in '94 First round
6. Barry 55 in '67 Finals
6. Jordan 55 in '93 Finals
6. Jordan 55 in '88 First round
6. Jordan 55 in '97 First round
6. Iverson 55 in '03 First round

Thanks .

I think most impressive record is Elgin's 61 . Jordan's 55 isn't against great defence . And Barry played in nearly 140 possesions at his 55 .

[TheMarkMadsen]

How many games for each player's postseason?

I don't know, I would have to look up every players individual run. If you want to know then you can do that.

But I'll answer your real question here.

2012 Lebron = 23 games, 09 Kobe = 23 games, 10 Kobe = 23 games, 08 Kobe = 21 games.

and just for comparison 2011 Lebron = 21 games, 2013 Lebron = 23 games, 2014/15 Lebron = 20 games.

Lebron in 11, 12 & 13 played in as many games as 08, 09, 10 Kobe.

and again, totals doesn't account for ATG dominant teams like the 96 Bulls or 01 Lakers

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Damn. Jordan was simply on another level in the playoffs.

What's crazy is that ALL of those 50 point games were versus elite teams, and half were in the finals.

[ClipperRevival]

Damn. Jordan was simply on another level in the playoffs.

What's crazy is that ALL of those 50 point games were versus elite teams, and half were in the finals.

GOAT gonna GOAT. It was written by the basketball Gods.

[Young X]

Damn. Jordan was simply on another level in the playoffs.

What's crazy is that ALL of those 50 point games were versus elite teams, and half were in the finals.That's why they call him the GOAT.

[LAZERUSS]

"The Big Dipper" indeed.

RS: 30.1
PO: 22.5
Finals: 18.7


MJ
RS:30.1
PO: 33.4
Finals: 33.6

Hakeem
RS: 21.8
PO: 25.9
Finals: 27.5

CONTEXT my friend. CONTEXT.

Without CONTEXT we have these FACTS:

Jordan without Pippen. Won exactly ONE PLAYOFF GAME. And in that ONE game, his TEAM won by TWO POINTS, and in that game he shot-jacked on to the tune of 12-26 from the field. And, he was BADLY outplayed by Mongrief in that series.

How about his clinching games in the pre-Pippen era (all blowout losses BTW)?

6-16, 8-18, and get this... 9-35.

In his highest scoring season, he averaged 35 ppg on a .417 in a sweeping loss. BTW, a peak Magic averaged 35 ppg on a .556 in his two regular season games against that SAME Boston team, and then in the Finals, he hung a 26-8-13 .541 .960 series, and in which he could have easily scored 40 had he wanted to.

So, without Pippen, Jordan was a shot-jacking brick-layer who led his team down in flames in the post-season. Oh, and AFTER Pippen...didn't even make the playoffs in his two seasons because he was so awful he couldn't lead his team to a winning record.


Hakeem?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

The KING of FIRST ROUND EXITS. Oh, and how about his two "rings." In one run, he didn't even face a legitimate center in the first three rounds, and in the Finals, he barely beat Ewing's Knicks, who had no more surrounding talent than what he had. Oh, and don't forget, that the Bulls, withOUT Jordan, and with Pete MYERS scoring 6 ppg in his place, were ONE PLAY away from beating that same NY team.

How about his second ring? In the Finals, he was abused by a 22 year old Shaq, but luckily his TEAMMATES overcame Hakeem's .488 eFG% in a post-season that shot an eFG% of .504 (Shaq shot an eye-popping .590 in that same series BTW) and overwhelmed Shaq's over-matched teammates to win that series.

Now, lets take a look at some of Wilt's post-season accomplishments with an added CONTEXT.

First of all, a PRIME "scoring" Wilt averaged 33 ppg in his 52 playoff games, 30 of which came against RUSSELL, and the GOAT defensive teams of all-time. Furthermore, in those 52 games, Wilt had 11 games of 40+, or about 20% of them. Which included FOUR 50+ point games, THREE of which are the ONLY THREE ever accomplished by a GOAT candidate in MUST WIN games.

Or that a PRIME Chamberlain AVERAGED a 30-27-5 and likely 8+ bpg, and on an eFG% that was about ten percent higher than the post-season league averages at the time (a WAY higher differential than Hakeem's.)

Or that a pre-injury Wilt averaged a 26-26-5 .520, and again, with probably 7-8+ bpg, and in post-seasons that shot about .430 in that same span. AND, remove the incompetent coaching of "the Butcher" in '69, and a pre-injury Wilt was at 29-27-5 .518 (with 8+ bpg.) And before someone mentions his regular season scoring in that span...it was at 36.0 ppg, BUT, his teammates were so awful that he couldn't get to the playoffs in a season in which he averaged 45 ppg (BTW, MJ got to the playoffs on a 30-52 team, and put up a 44 ppg series...albeit, in a sweeping loss.) So, remove that regular season, and suddenly Wilt would have averaged 34 ppg in his regular season. A drop of 5 ppg, but then again, over HALF of those playoff games were against RUSSELL.

How did MJ do against the Bad Boys from '88-91. His numbers DECLINED EVERY series from his his regular seasons. Same with Shaq's against the Robinson-led Spurs from '99 thru '03. And KAJ against Wilt-Thurmond in his five post-season H2H series from '71 thru '73 (A MASSIVE decline BTW.)


Ok, find me a MUST WIN Finals game in which Hakeem hung a 45-27 game (on 20-27 shooting.) Or a Finals in which he hung a 29-28 series (and against RUSSELL), on a .517 FG% (in a pots-season that shot .420.) Or a playoff run of more than four games, in which Hakeem AVERAGED 35 ppg on a .543 FG%, in a post-season that shot .420 (a STAGGERING +13% differential.)

Maybe you can find a Finals game in which Hakeem hung a 27-38 game. Or a Finals game with 15 blocked shots.

How about Wilt in his two game seven's, and against RUSSELL and REED. 19.5 ppg, 25.5 rpg, and on...get this...a .709 FG%. How about Hakeem in ONE game seven in the Finals... a 25 ppg on...get this...a .400 FG%. BTW, how did Wilt's two HOF centers fare in those game seven's...a combined 5 ppg, 12 rpg, and on a .333 FG%. In LOSSES.

And find me a post-season series in which Wilt was outrebounded by an opposing center (or Finals, where Hakeem was outrebounded in two of his three.) Or find me a post-season series where Wilt was outrebounded by a TEAMMATE.

First Round exits? Had Wilt had the luxury of getting blown out EIGHT times in his post-season career...


As examples, in Wilt's fist eight post-seasons, and in his first round, he averaged

38.7 ppg

37.0 ppg

37.0 ppg

38.6 ppg and on .559 shooting (in a post-season NBA of 105.8 ppg on .420 shooting)

27.8 ppg (and then 30.1 ppg, on .555 shooting, and against Russell)

28.0 ppg

28.0 ppg (and a great example of FG% at .612 in a post-season at .424)

25.5 ppg (and on .584 shooting, while his opposing center, Bellamy was at 20.0 on .421 shooting.)

Even in his 11th season, and only four months removed from major knee surgery, Chamberlain put up a first round of 23.7 ppg., 20.3 rpg, and .549.

And, in his 71-72 post-season, he had a 14.5 ppg, 20.8 rpg, .629 first round series (and in an NBA post-season of .446.)

So while Chamberlain was shooting .522 in his post-season career, it came in post-seasons of between .402 to .455.) Meanwhile Hakeem's .528 came in post-seasons of as high as .492, and an efg% as high as .500. MANY in the .485+ range, as well.

And, keep in mind two more interesting points. One, in Wilt's second greatest scoring season (44.8 ppg on .528 shooting) his all-time worst roster kept him from playing in the post-season (which probably cost him another 2-3+ ppg in his post-seasob career average.) And two, he faced a starting HOF center in 105 of his 160 post-season games, including Russell in 49, Thurmond in 17, and a PRIME Kareem in 11.

How about Wilt in his two title runs?

Find me a post-season in which Hakeem AVERAGED a 22-28-9 7+ on a .579 FG%, and in a post-season that shot .429 overall. And in two of those three series, Chamberlain hung TRIPLE DOUBLE series (not including blocked shots...so he may very well have a QUAD-DOUBLE in one of them)...with series of 28-27-11 on a .617, and 22-32-10 on a .556.

How about Wilt in those clinching games against HOF centers in those those two championship Finals. 24-26 on a .667 FG%. His opposing HOF centers? 13-16 .333 FG%.

Maybe you can find me a Finals in which Hakeem hung a 23-24 .625 FG% series (and in seven games BTW.)

Or find me a Finals in which Hakeem shot .560...against a PEAK Thurmond BTW. The same Thurmond, who nearing the end of his career held a PEAK Kareem to three straight series of .486, .428, and .405. BTW, in KAJ's greatest statistical season of his career, he was outscored and outshot by a fading Thurmond.

I could go on. But to put Hakeem anywhere near Chamberlain in the post-season is simply a joke. Hakeem was a basically a first round loser, that had a couple of title runs in post-seasons in which the best player took one of them off, and in the other Finals he was crushed by a 22 year old.

CONTEXT my friend. CONTEXT.

Try using it next time you mindlessly post the same RIDICULOUS 30-23-19 nonsense that so many other idiots here have.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Wilt = 5th time leading scorer in NBA history in the regular season and 17th in the playoffs.

huge difference. Guys like Jordan, Kobe and Kareem J are top 5 regular season, top 5 scorers and top 5 in playoffs. Malone is 7th in the playoffs.

Why is Wilt the only all time regular season leading scorer who isn't top 5 or top 7 in playoff scoring as well

:confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[Gileraracer]

Wilt's 56 point game, in a must win game, came in regulation, as well (in a win BTW.) Jordan's 63 point game came in loss, and in double OT (he had 54 in regulation.)

Wilt had another 53 point, again in a must win game (and a win), and another 50 point game, against Russell, in yet another must win win. And one more 50 point game, which came in a series that was tied 2-2, and eventually a series win (with a game seven of 39-26-10.)

No problem in that weak era

[Dr Hawk]

If Hakeem is the KING OF FIRST ROUND EXITS, then Chamberlain is the ****ING KING OF THE ****ING CHOKERS

1984-85: 21/13/1.4/1.4/2.6
1987-88: 37.5/16.8/1.8/2.3/2.8
1988-89: 25.3/13/3/2.5/2.8
1989-90: 18.5/11.5/2/2.5/5.8 (scoring wise he wasn't great, but he was a beast defensively)
1990-91: 22/14.7/2/1.3/2.7

Just like Wilt, he needed a TEAM. From 1985 to 1991 he posted 26.5/12.5/2.1/1.9/3.6 on .54 FG%

So yeah, just like you say, CONTEXT

[SouBeachTalents]

CONTEXT my friend. CONTEXT.

Without CONTEXT we have these FACTS:

Jordan without Pippen. Won exactly ONE PLAYOFF GAME. And in that ONE game, his TEAM won by TWO POINTS, and in that game he shot-jacked on to the tune of 12-26 from the field. And, he was BADLY outplayed by Mongrief in that series.

How about his clinching games in the pre-Pippen era (all blowout losses BTW)?

6-16, 8-18, and get this... 9-35.

In his highest scoring season, he averaged 35 ppg on a .417 in a sweeping loss. BTW, a peak Magic averaged 35 ppg on a .556 in his two regular season games against that SAME Boston team, and then in the Finals, he hung a 26-8-13 .541 .960 series, and in which he could have easily scored 40 had he wanted to.

So, without Pippen, Jordan was a shot-jacking brick-layer who led his team down in flames in the post-season. Oh, and AFTER Pippen...didn't even make the playoffs in his two seasons because he was so awful he couldn't lead his team to a winning record.


Hakeem?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

The KING of FIRST ROUND EXITS. Oh, and how about his two "rings." In one run, he didn't even face a legitimate center in the first three rounds, and in the Finals, he barely beat Ewing's Knicks, who had no more surrounding talent than what he had. Oh, and don't forget, that the Bulls, withOUT Jordan, and with Pete MYERS scoring 6 ppg in his place, were ONE PLAY away from beating that same NY team.

How about his second ring? In the Finals, he was abused by a 22 year old Shaq, but luckily his TEAMMATES overcame Hakeem's .488 eFG% in a post-season that shot an eFG% of .504 (Shaq shot an eye-popping .590 in that same series BTW) and overwhelmed Shaq's over-matched teammates to win that series.

Now, lets take a look at some of Wilt's post-season accomplishments with an added CONTEXT.

First of all, a PRIME "scoring" Wilt averaged 33 ppg in his 52 playoff games, 30 of which came against RUSSELL, and the GOAT defensive teams of all-time. Furthermore, in those 52 games, Wilt had 11 games of 40+, or about 20% of them. Which included FOUR 50+ point games, THREE of which are the ONLY THREE ever accomplished by a GOAT candidate in MUST WIN games.

Or that a PRIME Chamberlain AVERAGED a 30-27-5 and likely 8+ bpg, and on an eFG% that was about ten percent higher than the post-season league averages at the time (a WAY higher differential than Hakeem's.)

Or that a pre-injury Wilt averaged a 26-26-5 .520, and again, with probably 7-8+ bpg, and in post-seasons that shot about .430 in that same span. AND, remove the incompetent coaching of "the Butcher" in '69, and a pre-injury Wilt was at 29-27-5 .518 (with 8+ bpg.) And before someone mentions his regular season scoring in that span...it was at 36.0 ppg, BUT, his teammates were so awful that he couldn't get to the playoffs in a season in which he averaged 45 ppg (BTW, MJ got to the playoffs on a 30-52 team, and put up a 44 ppg series...albeit, in a sweeping loss.) So, remove that regular season, and suddenly Wilt would have averaged 34 ppg in his regular season. A drop of 5 ppg, but then again, over HALF of those playoff games were against RUSSELL.

How did MJ do against the Bad Boys from '88-91. His numbers DECLINED EVERY series from his his regular seasons. Same with Shaq's against the Robinson-led Spurs from '99 thru '03. And KAJ against Wilt-Thurmond in his five post-season H2H series from '71 thru '73 (A MASSIVE decline BTW.)


Ok, find me a MUST WIN Finals game in which Hakeem hung a 45-27 game (on 20-27 shooting.) Or a Finals in which he hung a 29-28 series (and against RUSSELL), on a .517 FG% (in a pots-season that shot .420.) Or a playoff run of more than four games, in which Hakeem AVERAGED 35 ppg on a .543 FG%, in a post-season that shot .420 (a STAGGERING +13% differential.)

Maybe you can find a Finals game in which Hakeem hung a 27-38 game. Or a Finals game with 15 blocked shots.

How about Wilt in his two game seven's, and against RUSSELL and REED. 19.5 ppg, 25.5 rpg, and on...get this...a .709 FG%. How about Hakeem in ONE game seven in the Finals... a 25 ppg on...get this...a .400 FG%. BTW, how did Wilt's two HOF centers fare in those game seven's...a combined 5 ppg, 12 rpg, and on a .333 FG%. In LOSSES.

And find me a post-season series in which Wilt was outrebounded by an opposing center (or Finals, where Hakeem was outrebounded in two of his three.) Or find me a post-season series where Wilt was outrebounded by a TEAMMATE.

First Round exits? Had Wilt had the luxury of getting blown out EIGHT times in his post-season career...



How about Wilt in his two title runs?

Find me a post-season in which Hakeem AVERAGED a 22-28-9 7+ on a .579 FG%, and in a post-season that shot .429 overall. And in two of those three series, Chamberlain hung TRIPLE DOUBLE series (not including blocked shots...so he may very well have a QUAD-DOUBLE in one of them)...with series of 28-27-11 on a .617, and 22-32-10 on a .556.

How about Wilt in those clinching games against HOF centers in those those two championship Finals. 24-26 on a .667 FG%. His opposing HOF centers? 13-16 .333 FG%.

Maybe you can find me a Finals in which Hakeem hung a 23-24 .625 FG% series (and in seven games BTW.)

Or find me a Finals in which Hakeem shot .560...against a PEAK Thurmond BTW. The same Thurmond, who nearing the end of his career held a PEAK Kareem to three straight series of .486, .428, and .405. BTW, in KAJ's greatest statistical season of his career, he was outscored and outshot by a fading Thurmond.

I could go on. But to put Hakeem anywhere near Chamberlain in the post-season is simply a joke. Hakeem was a basically a first round loser, that had a couple of title runs in post-seasons in which the best player took one of them off, and in the other Finals he was crushed by a 22 year old.

CONTEXT my friend. CONTEXT.

Try using it next time you mindlessly post the same RIDICULOUS 30-23-19 nonsense that so many other idiots here have.

Bro, to try to diminish Hakeem's back to back titles is absolutely ridiculous.

He carried one of the worst rosters of all time to win a championship in '94, badly outplaying a HOF C in Ewing in the Finals. Not to mention he won MVP, DPOY, FMVP and made All-NBA First Team & All-Defensive First Team. Hakeem's '94 has serious merit as the GOAT season

Then in '95 he averaged 33/10/5 in the playoffs while outplaying the likes of Malone, Barkley, and Robinson in 3 straight series, absolutely EVISCERATING Robinson in arguably the greatest individual dismantling in NBA history

You'd be hard pressed to find a player who had a better 2 year run than that

[Dr Hawk]

Bro, to try to diminish Hakeem's back to back titles is absolutely ridiculous.

He carried one of the worst rosters of all time to win a championship in '94, badly outplaying a HOF C in Ewing in the Finals. Not to mention he won MVP, DPOY, FMVP and made All-NBA First Team & All-Defensive First Team. Hakeem's '94 has serious merit as the GOAT season

Then in '95 he averaged 33/10/5 in the playoffs while outplaying the likes of Malone, Barkley, and Robinson in 3 straight series, absolutely EVISCERATING Robinson in arguably the greatest individual dismantling in NBA history

You'd be hard pressed to find a player who had a better 2 year run than that

This

Laz is clearly biased against Hakeem, for some reason

[K Xerxes]

This

Laz is clearly biased against Hakeem, for some reason

Probably because of millwad

[LAZERUSS]

Bro, to try to diminish Hakeem's back to back titles is absolutely ridiculous.

He carried one of the worst rosters of all time to win a championship in '94, badly outplaying a HOF C in Ewing in the Finals. Not to mention he won MVP, DPOY, FMVP and made All-NBA First Team & All-Defensive First Team. Hakeem's '94 has serious merit as the GOAT season

Then in '95 he averaged 33/10/5 in the playoffs while outplaying the likes of Malone, Barkley, and Robinson in 3 straight series, absolutely EVISCERATING Robinson in arguably the greatest individual dismantling in NBA history

You'd be hard pressed to find a player who had a better 2 year run than that

Give me a list of Ewing's supporting cast while you are at it. Oh, and how do you think the Bulls would have fared with Jordan replacing Pete Myers in that post-season?

'95. Great run...until he was basically outplayed by a 22 year old Shaq.

But, don't take my word for it...

From Colts 18:


I decided to rewatch the 1995 finals and chart each possession to see to how effective Shaq and Hakeem were on the court. A special shout out to Jordanbulls for providing the video of this series


Total:
Hakeem: 253 touches, 140 doubles (55.3%)
Shaq: 221 touches, 146 doubles (66.1%)

Here are their stats when they were guarded by each other:
Shaq 32-57 (56.1 FG%), 6-8 FT, 67.3 double teamed%, .578 TS%, 17 assists, 1 O-reb allowed to Hakeem
Hakeem: 31-75 (41.3 FG%), 9-13 FT, 60.2 double teamed%, .446 TS%, 8 assists, 3 O-reb allowed to Shaq

Shaq blocked 2 Hakeem shots, Hakeem blocked 0 Shaq shots. Hakeem did make a 3P on Shaq. Hakeem guarded Shaq on 73.3% of the touches he had, while Shaq guarded Hakeem on 69.6% of his touches. Hakeem got a lot more fastbreak touches than Shaq so in the halfcourt, they guarded each other about even.

When they weren't being guarded by each other, Shaq was being guarded by Charles Jones and Hakeem by Horace Grant.

Shaq vs Jones: 7-11 FG (63.6 FG%), 35 doubles in 52 touches (67.3%), 2 assists
Hakeem vs Grant: 13-24 (54.2 FG%), 33 double teams in 58 touches (56.9%), 6 assists

Jump shots:
Hakeem: 27-62 (43.5%)
Shaq: 2-7 (28.6%)

The vast majority of Shaq's shots were close range hooks.

Dunks:
Hakeem: 1 dunk (vs grant)
Shaq: 9 dunks (2 of them were in Hakeem's face)

Fouls drawn on offense:
Shaq: 37 (17 on Hakeem)
Hakeem: 21 (9 on Shaq)

Hakeem did draw 4 Shaq charges.

Shaq was called for 5 travels, Hakeem 2.

Plus/Minus (Houston outscored Orlando by 28 points total):
On court:
Shaq: -12 in 180 minutes
Hakeem: +17 in 179 minutes

Off court:
Shaq: -16 in 16:37 of action (Houston scored 133 points per 48 in the minutes Shaq missed)
Hakeem: +11 in 17:11 of action (134 points per 48 in the minutes he was off the court)

Interestingly enough, in 2 of the games, the Magic outscored the Rockets when Shaq was on the court. The magic were -8 in about 9 minutes of action without Shaq in game (lost by just 2 points). In game 3, they were -4 in the minutes Shaq missed in a game where they lost by 3 points. In game 1, the Rockets outscored the magic by 9 in the minutes Hakeem missed, but they were outscored by a combined 4 points in games 3 and 4 without Hakeem.

Observations:
-Orlando was for some reason really committed to doubling Hakeem in game 1. They were throwing a lot of hard doubles. Hakeem had 5 assists in that game, all of them 3 pointers, 4 came off of doubles (one was a triple team). I'm guessing it was a response to Hakeem's series vs Robinson. For the rest of the series, Orlando didn't double Hakeem as much and they threw softer doubles.

-Hakeem made like 5 or 6 baskets in transition to Shaq's 1 or so. So while Shaq didn't get credit for giving up those buckets since he didn't guard, a few of those times Shaq was slow in transition. Shaq got about 3 or shots

-One of the commentators compared Horry to Scottie Pippen and Walton took the comment seriously. They are vastly different players IMO

-I'm not sure why Penny wasn't more aggressive. Kenny Smith couldn't guard him at all. When Penny did drive to the basket, he made a few shots over Hakeem.

-Drexler was the man in this series. He really wanted to get his first title badly. For some reason, people rarely talk about him despite him getting more WS than Hakeem in that playoff run

-It's fashionable these days to **** on Hakeem's cast in 94, but this cast was much better than that one. The guards outplayed Orlando's guards. Horry played really well. The 3P shooters benefited a lot from the shortened 3P line.

-Contrary to popular belief, handchecking wasn't allowed in 95. The refs called like 2 handchecking fouls in this series

-I'm so thankful the NBA got rid of the illegal defense. The refs called like 5 of them in each game. It destroyed the flow of the game and limited the ways you could double team a player.

And how about this...


Hakeem's TEAMMATES, collectively, had a considerably higher TS% in that series, than Hakeem, himself. So, those that favor this stat, had better prepared to explain that. Looks to me like Houston won that series despite Hakeem.

Meanwhile, Shaq's TS% in that Finals was far greater than what his teammates gave him.

Hakeem shot 55-115 from the field, 1-1 from the arc, and 18-26 from the line.
His teammates shot 70-136 from 2pt range, 36-91 from the arc, and 77-97 from the line.

Shaq shot 44-74 from the field, and 24-42 from the line.
His teammates shot 78-156 from 2 pt range, 41-118 from the arc, and 37-47 from the line.

Using a TRUE TS%, Hakeem shot .508. His teammates collectively shot .589.

Shaq shot a TRUE TS% of .589. His teammates shot a collective .533.

CONTEXT. The "Wilt-bashers" NEVER use it. And the Hakeem fans CAN'T use it.

[Kblaze8855]

Ok? I think most people can figure that out for themselves, but it's still impressive to see that type of scoring in the playoffs.

No...most people dont figure out such things. its what most count on when they mention such things. And for the record I dont mean you exactly...I mean society in general with these out of context stats. ESPN is always doing something like that. Attach "Of all time" or "Ever" to some number 90% of players never had a chance to accomplish because of different stats, rules, or formats.

It makes the ever...the all time...just be a prop to make something seem more impressive than it is.

Of course its impressive to score a lot in the playoffs. But making a list of totals...where not only did most of the players ever...get less potential games....but playing better REDUCES your likelyhood of climbing the list due to wiping teams out quickly?

Just an ESPN style stat to me. Im often annoyed by such things.




If you're going to devalue totals because of players from past eras playing significantly less games then you should also provide context on how many less games/series players from that era had to play through to get a ring compared to teams of today when discussing Russel's Celtics compared to great teams from more recent Era's like the 90's bulls and 00's Lakers.

nobody bats an eye at Bill Russell wining 8 of his rings in an era where he played less than 15 games to win the title (some years as little at 10), but when somebody brings up playoffs totals it's "unfair". Well its unfair that Russells celtics played one team to get to the finals most years while teams today have to play three.

There is nothing unfair about it. You have to beat the best to win. Not having to beat mediocre teams on the way? Eh. I dont think id care if the Cavs didnt have to play the Bobcats in the first round. Teams were getting a first round bye with a top seed into the 80s. Having 2 game sweeps when they did have to play. Shit like that cuts both ways. Magic lost out on a possible ring in 81 because of a single missed shot in game 3 vs the rockets in a series you only needed 2 games to win. Give him 7 like today...I cant see the 41 win Rockets beating the Lakers. But they only had 3. The Jazz beat the Lakers in 08 2 of the first 3....

The playoff format changes outcomes...that much is clear. But its not easily predictable.

That totals are inflated by playing worse(losing more games) and having more games no matter what is just a fact. One I feel should be attached to any listing including "all time". Dudes would have needed 65 a game to top that list in their time. But we imply that they didnt perform as well...by calling it an all time list.

They deserve a fair shake or at least...acknowledging the fact that they couldnt realistically score these totals. 84 is the first year on the list...and happens to be the first year with the extra round and no bye?

It justifies a mention.



Obviously playoff totals don't account for the dominance of teams like the 96 bulls and 01 Lakers.

Which is a good reason to go per game...if anything. Steph could do 40ppg and sweep the playoffs...end up 10th best for a single run in totals....

[LAZERUSS]

This

Laz is clearly biased against Hakeem, for some reason

I just find laughable that ANYONE puts Hakeem in the same category as Wilt.

For some reason, we have revisionist history suddenly making Hakeem MUCH greater than he ACTUALLY was.

You want some FACTS?

Hakeem played 18 seasons in his career. In those 18 seasons, he had FIVE teams that won 50+ games, with a high of 58.

He also couldn't make the Finals with Barkley and Drexler on the same team.

Again, he won one ring, in a season in which MJ took the year off, and his Bulls still went 55-27 and were a play away from beating the same team that Hakeem's 58 win Rockets barely beat in a game seven.

In his second Finals, he was pummeled by a 22 year old Shaq. When he faced a more prime Shaq a few years later, Shaq just obliterated him (but you NEVER see the Hakeem fans bring up THAT series, do you?

Ok, and then how about this...

In his 18 seasons, Hakeem won ONE MVP, came in second ONCE, and had TWO 4th's. Hell, he wasn't even in the Top-10 in the voting in EIGHT of his 18 seasons. Think about that...in his entire 18 season career, the man was considered a Top-4 player...FOUR times. And in the ONE season in which he did win an MVP, guess what...Jordan took the year off.


Yet, we are supposed to believe that Hakeem was a GOAT candidate? Hell, he is a borderline Top-10 player all-time, and to be honest, give Dr J his ABA years, and take a close look at Moses' career, and I don't see Hakeem even being in the Top-10.

Hell, he wasn't considered a Top-10 player in HALF of his OWN era.

[LAZERUSS]

And for those clowns that disparage Wilt's post-seasons...

He played in an era of less rounds, which DRAMATICALLY reduced his playoff numbers. He was running into Russell's teams in the first or second rounds, seven times in his prime (pre-injury) career.

Again, Russell built his post-season stats up against the Lakers in FIVE Finals (and in the sixth, and against Wilt, he did nothing)...

and yet, Chamberlain never faced the Lakers in that decade, even ONCE.

Now, what if he had?


Here were Russell's numbers against LA in those five series:

'62:

Russell averaged 18.9 ppg on a .457 FG% in his regular season against the NBA.

Against LA in the Finals: 22.9 ppg on a .543 FG%. Which included a game seven of 30 points and 40 rebounds.

BTW, against Wilt in the '62 EDF's: 22.0 ppg on a .399 FG%


'63:

Russell averaged 16.8 ppg on a .432 FG% in his regular season.

Against LA in the Finals: 20 ppg on a .467 FG%


'65:

Russell averaged 14.1 ppg on a .438 FG% against the NBA.

Against LA in the Finals: 17.8 ppg on a .702 FG% (yes, .702.)

BTW, against Wilt in the EDF's: 15.6 ppg on a .447 FG%


'66:

Russell averaged 12.9 ppg on a .415 FG% against the NBA.

Against LA in the Finals: 23.6 ppg on a .538 FG%

BTW, against Wilt in the EDF's: 14.0 ppg on a .423 FG%


'68:

Russell averaged 12.5 ppg on a .425 FG% against the NBA

Against LA in the Finals: 17.3 ppg on a .430 FG%

BTW, against Wilt in the EDF's: 13.7 ppg on a .440 FG%


Oh, and here were Russell's stats in the '69 Finals against Wilt:

Regular season against the NBA: 9.9 ppg on a .433 FG%

Against Wilt in the Finals: 9.0 ppg on a .397 FG%


Again, had Wilt faced the Lakers in any of his nine seasons in the league from '60 thru '68, and he likely would own at least some, (if not a vast majority), playoff and perhaps Finals, scoring records (and perhaps FG% records, as well, since Russell shot .702 against LA in '65.)

And once again, in Wilt's regular seasons, he was facing LA between 7 to 12 games in each season, with an average of about 10.

Also keep in mind that the Lakers were in the Western Conference, and Wilt only had two seasons in the Western Conference from '60 thru '68, and in one of those, his team was so bad, that he didn't make the playoffs, despite a 44.8 ppg season on .528 shooting.


Ok, here we go:

'59-60:

Against the entire NBA that season: 37.6 ppg on a .461 FG%

Against the Lakers in 9 H2H's: 36.8 ppg on a .430 FG%

High games of 41, 41, 41, 45, and 52.


'60-61:

Against the entire NBA: 38.4 ppg on a .509 FG%

Against the Lakers in 10 H2H's: 40.1 ppg on a .506 FG%

High games were 41, 41, 43, 44, 46, and 56 points.


'61-62:

Against the entire NBA: 50.4 ppg on a .506 FG%

Against LA in 9 H2H games: 51.6 ppg on a .503 FG%

High games of 48, 56, 57, 60, 60, and 78 (with 43 rebounds.)


'62-63: Against the entire NBA: 44.8 ppg on a .528 FG%

Against LA in 12 H2Hs: 48.6 ppg on a .541 FG%

High games of 40, 40, 42, 53, 63, and 72 points.


'63-64: Against the entire NBA: 36.9 ppg on a .524 FG%

Against LA in 12 H2Hs: 44.3 ppg on a .484 FG%

High games of 40, 41, 47, 49, 50, 55, and 59 points.


'64-65: Against the entire NBA: 34.7 ppg on a .510 FG%

Against LA in 8 H2Hs: 29.9 ppg on a .476 FG%

High games of 40, 40, and 41 points.


'65-66: Against the entire NBA: 33.5 ppg on a .540 FG%

Against LA in 10 H2Hs: 40.8 ppg on a .559 FG%

High games of 42, 49, 53, and 65 points.


'66-67: Against the entire NBA: 24.1 ppg on a .683 FG%

Against LA in 9 H2Hs: 26.4 ppg on a .759 FG%

High games of 32, 37, and 39 points.


'67-68: Against the entire NBA: 24.3 ppg on a .595 FG%

Against LA in 7 H2Hs: 28.1 ppg on a .638 FG%

High games of 31, 32, 35, and 53 points.


Overall, in those 86 games:

40 Point Games: 42

50 Point Games: 19

60 Point Games: 7

70 Point Games: 2

High game of 78 points.

CONTEXT.

[SouBeachTalents]

And for those clowns that disparage Wilt's post-seasons...

He played in an era of less rounds, which DRAMATICALLY reduced his playoff numbers. He was running into Russell's teams in the first or second rounds, seven times in his prime (pre-injury) career.

Again, Russell built his post-season stats up against the Lakers in FIVE Finals (and in the sixth, and against Wilt, he did nothing)...

and yet, Chamberlain never faced the Lakers in that decade, even ONCE.

Now, what if he had?





CONTEXT.

You really give Wilt no criticism for having his ppg average decrease from the regular season to the postseason literally every year of his career?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Ok? none of that discounts the fact that it is easier to play 1 round and make the finals than it is to have to play consistently well over 3 series to make the finals. Mentally and physically its an entirely different challenge.

Holding up over the course of 20+ games is tougher than only having to play 10 to win the championship.. Less injury, fatigue and its easier to maintain a hot streak over 8-10 games than it is to maintain a consistent level of elite play throughout 4 rounds..

60's teams had the advantage of playing less games to make/win the finals.

[Dr Hawk]

In 18 seasons he made the All-NBA team 12 times (6 1st teams, 3 2nd and 3 3rd), while fighting against Moses, Kareem, Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, Daugherty, Mourning, Mutombo, Divac.

No, he couldn't make the Finals with 34 years old Drexler and Barkley. His fault though? I don't think so:

27.2/9.3/3.8/2/3.3 .639 TS% .592 eFG%

He was bad offensively next year, great in defense though, as usual, but age was catching up

[LAZERUSS]

You really give Wilt no criticism for having his ppg average decrease from the regular season to the postseason literally every year of his career?

CONTEXT.

Do you really think Wilt was only a 22.5 ppg playoff scorer?

How come a prime "scoring" Wilt averaged 33 in his 52 playoff games, 30 of which came against Russell and defenses with DRtgs that were just LIGHT YEARS ahead of the league?

How come a "scoring" Wilt was hanging 11 40+ point games in his 52 playoff games, including FOUR of 50+?

And again, why did Wilt's scoring drop after his '69 season? And if you include that post-season, let's ask his coach, who had West and Baylor shot-jacking the entire playoffs?

The "bashers" NEVER take into account his INJURY. Which basically ended his scoring runs. Think about this, though,...from '67 thru '69, Wilt's regular season scoring was 24 ppg, 24 ppg, and then 21 ppg. At the start of his '70 season, his new coach asked Wilt to become the offensive leader of the team. Guess what... 32 ppg on a .579 FG%! BUT, then Wilt suffered that horrific knee injury, and he was never the same offensive force again.

BUT, he was still a dominating defensive force, and a dominating rebounder, and then led his teams to THREE more Finals in his last FOUR seasons, including 62 of his 160 playoff games.

THAT is why Wilt's scoring declined in his post-seasons. And again, just ask Kareem about Thurmond, whom Wilt faced in 17 post-season games. And we know that Russell and his Celtics were the GOAT defender, and the GOAT defensive teams...and Chamberlain faced them 49 times in his post-seasons!

Hell, a prime "scoring" Wilt averaged 31 ppg on a .507 FG% against RUSSELL in their 30 H2H games (and keep in mind that the post-season league eFG% in that span was about .420.)

In the last game of the '66 EDF's, Chamberlain hung a 46 point game on Russell. In the '67 EDF's, he "only" averaged 22 ppg against Russell (on a .556 eFG%, to go along with 32 rpg, and 10 apg)in a series blowout win.

Wilt did whatever was asked of him by his coaches (and of course, pre-injury.) Had he just wanted to score, we BOTH KNOW that he could have scored FAR more than he did.

[LAZERUSS]

In 18 seasons he made the All-NBA team 12 times (6 1st teams, 3 2nd and 3 3rd), while fighting against Moses, Kareem, Ewing, Robinson, Shaq, Daugherty, Mourning, Mutombo, Divac.

No, he couldn't make the Finals with 34 years old Drexler and Barkley. His fault though? I don't think so:

27.2/9.3/3.8/2/3.3 .639 TS% .592 eFG%

He was bad offensively next year, great in defense though, as usual, but age was catching up

Look, I know that Hakeem was a great player. BUT, he was NOT on anywhere the level of Wilt, KAJ, nor Shaq. And if you include Russell's resume (MVPs and Rings), he was not on his level, either.

But, you get ClippersClown posting Wilt's numbers, as compared to Hakeem's, and withOUT CONTEXT, and they are meaningless.

Using CONTEXT, and Wilt was LIGHT YEARS more dominant...BOTH in the regular season, AND the post-season.

[Dr Hawk]

Look, I know that Hakeem was a great player. BUT, he was NOT on anywhere the level of Wilt, KAJ, nor Shaq. And if you include Russell's resume (MVPs and Rings), he was not on his level, either.

But, you get ClippersClown posting Wilt's numbers, as compared to Hakeem's, and withOUT CONTEXT, and they are meaningless.

Using CONTEXT, and Wilt was LIGHT YEARS more dominant...BOTH in the regular season, AND the post-season.

I have Wilt, KAJ and Shaq over Hakeem, not Russell. There is no way anyone can convince me Russell was a better player than Olajuwon. More successful and greater, ok, but not better player

[LAZERUSS]

I have Wilt, KAJ and Shaq over Hakeem, not Russell. There is no way anyone can convince me Russell was a better player than Olajuwon. More successful and greater, ok, but not better player

Russell's impact is difficult to quantify. Obviously he anchored defenses that were just MILES ahead of the league (except BTW, Wilt's Sixers in one season.)

He was also a great rebounder, and very under-rated offensive player. He had seasons of 19 ppg, post-seasons of 22, and Finals of 24 ppg. In fact, he had Finals of 23 (on a .538 FG%) and 24 ppg (on a .543 FG%), and another of 18 on a .702 FG%. Now, find me a Finals in which David Robinson or Patrick Ewing was putting up those numbers.

Yes, he was blessed with stacked rosters, too. But, he still won 11 rings in 13 seasons. That simply has to account for something.

And he blended in well with his teammates, who, almost to a man, would tell you he was the GOAT.

[LAZERUSS]

You really give Wilt no criticism for having his ppg average decrease from the regular season to the postseason literally every year of his career?

Incidently, you are one of the very few posters on this site that I respect. But it just amazes me that you bring up these "declines" like Chamberlain was choking.

Chamberlain was CRUSHING his peers, and he was facing HOF centers in the vast majority of them.

And I get a kick out of those that rip his '62 "decline", in a post-season in which he averaged 35 ppg. BTW, he averaged 34 ppg on a .468 FG% against Russell in the EDF's...and in his 10 regular season H2H's, it was 40 ppg. BUT, the regular season NBA averaged 119 ppg on a .426 FG%...and the '62 post-season NBA averaged 112 on a .411. Even if we were to agree that he "declined" just how dramatic was it? BTW, he still took his Warriors to a game seven loss, by two points, with that "decline."

Psileas has also pointed out that Wilt ELEVATED his ppg in the post-season H2H's, from his regular season H2H's...in HALF of his post-season series against the same team. Same with Russell. In FOUR of their EIGHT post-season H2H series ('64, '65, '67, and '68) he ELEVATED his scoring. All while also ELEVATING his rebounding, and on FG%'s that were light year's away from the post-season league averages.

[LAZERUSS]

Probably because of millwad

Incidently, you are another poster here that I respect.

And yes, Hakeem was a great player...especially from '93-95. But again, the revisionist history here has placed him on some god-like pedestal, when the reality was, he was a great player that led two teams to titles, but overall, seldom even made the Finals, and in fact, most often was getting blown-out in his first rounds (and true, mostly not his fault.)

I have wondered how many rings KG would have won, had he had surrounding rosters like he had with Boston his entire career, as well.

[feyki]

Why I don't think Shaq is/was on the same level as Bill,Wilt,Kareem ?

I think Hakeem is/was better than Shaq too .

If anyone say you hate Shaq , that's the reason . But I love Kobe , i hate Lebron and i had hate Duncan before 2011 . But I think Both are better than Kobe (Actually , Lebron will ; He didn't passes him yet ) .

[K Xerxes]

Incidently, you are another poster here that I respect.

And yes, Hakeem was a great player...especially from '93-95. But again, the revisionist history here has placed him on some god-like pedestal, when the reality was, he was a great player that led two teams to titles, but overall, seldom even made the Finals, and in fact, most often was getting blown-out in his first rounds (and true, mostly not his fault.)

I have wondered how many rings KG would have won, had he had surrounding rosters like he had with Boston his entire career, as well.

A lot of a player's legacy is shaped by circumstance. Compared to the rest of the top 10-12 of all time, Hakeem had less fortunate circumstances in terms of team mates, particularly with regards to Sampson. I think only Wilt was less fortunate in terms of team mates and competition faced. Put it this way, if Jordan and Kareem have 6 rings, Hakeem's ability warrants at least 4 or 5 IMO. But it's an uneven playing field since you don't play with the same guys and Hakeem had trash rosters in the late 80s/early 90s.

And yeah on Garnett, as a player I truly believe he was every bit as good as Duncan, or somewhere close to it. It's hard to quantify things like intangibles and leadership which I'm sure played a big part in keeping Duncan's situation stable, but guys like Pop don't come around too often. The way I see it KGs the best defender I've seen (along with Hakeem) and very capable on offense in his day.

[LAZERUSS]

A lot of a player's legacy is shaped by circumstance. Compared to the rest of the top 10-12 of all time, Hakeem had less fortunate circumstances in terms of team mates, particularly with regards to Sampson. I think only Wilt was less fortunate in terms of team mates and competition faced. Put it this way, if Jordan and Kareem have 6 rings, Hakeem's ability warrants at least 4 or 5 IMO. But it's an uneven playing field since you don't play with the same guys and Hakeem had trash rosters in the late 80s/early 90s.

And yeah on Garnett, as a player I truly believe he was every bit as good as Duncan, or somewhere close to it. It's hard to quantify things like intangibles and leadership which I'm sure played a big part in keeping Duncan's situation stable, but guys like Pop don't come around too often. The way I see it KGs the best defender I've seen (along with Hakeem) and very capable on offense in his day.

As always...an excellent post.

:cheers:

[3ball]

Look fools - Jordan destroys everybody - you guys will DIE and Jordan will still be the GOAT... Do you understand that?

Of course you don't - because none of you can look at his game and realize it's by far the best we've ever seen... The things he did - no one else can do, but you don't realize it because he made it look so easy.

Show me a player that could what he did off a drop-step... off a hop-step... off a first-step... plus the fadeaway... hangtime jumpers... goat midrange and 3-point if he needed.. double-pump FT line ability with ease... massive hands like a big man... goat off-ball and but can still get 30/9/11 at point guard with 10 triple-doubles in 11 games.... and on and on and on....

he scored at least 10 ppg more than his 2nd option for every playoffs series of his career - seriously, show me a single player that is anywhere NEAR this..

just look at the OP of this thread - Jordan has 28 of the top 100 scoring performances since 1985.. no one else's accomplishments are even close to his - that's why he had the best NBA career known to man in the modern era.. you guys are all fools for considering anyone else as goat, but you just don't realize it because you don't understand the game well enough to discern his greatness when you watch him.

[SouBeachTalents]

Look fools - Jordan destroys everybody - you guys will DIE and Jordan will still be the GOAT... Do you understand that?

Of course you don't - because none of you can look at his game and realize it's by far the best we've ever seen... The things he did - no one else can do, but you don't realize it because he made it look so easy.

Show me a player that could what he did off a drop-step... off a hop-step... off a first-step... plus the fadeaway... hangtime jumpers... goat midrange and 3-point if he needed.. double-pump FT line ability with ease... massive hands like a big man... goat off-ball and but can still get 30/9/11 at point guard with 10 triple-doubles in 11 games.... and on and on and on....

he scored at least 10 ppg more than his 2nd option for every playoffs series of his career - seriously, show me a single player that is anywhere NEAR this..

just look at the OP of this thread - Jordan has 28 of the top 100 scoring performances since 1985.. no one else's accomplishments are even close to his - that's why he had the best NBA career known to man in the modern era.. you guys are all fools for considering anyone else as goat, but you just don't realize it because you don't understand the game well enough to discern his greatness when you watch him.

1-9

[3ball]

1-9
i rest my case

[warriorfan]

WTF are you talking about? Lebron is a top 10 all time player but scoring isn't even his greatest attribute. It's like asking why Kareem isn't on a list of most assist made in a game. It's straight up retarded.

Kobe on the other hand is supposed to be one of the greatest scorer, where the fk is he on this list? He should at least be better than 6ft Iverson right???

meltdown

[LAZERUSS]

Look fools - Jordan destroys everybody - you guys will DIE and Jordan will still be the GOAT... Do you understand that?

Of course you don't - because none of you can look at his game and realize it's by far the best we've ever seen... The things he did - no one else can do, but you don't realize it because he made it look so easy.

Show me a player that could what he did off a drop-step... off a hop-step... off a first-step... plus the fadeaway... hangtime jumpers... goat midrange and 3-point if he needed.. double-pump FT line ability with ease... massive hands like a big man... goat off-ball and but can still get 30/9/11 at point guard with 10 triple-doubles in 11 games.... and on and on and on....

he scored at least 10 ppg more than his 2nd option for every playoffs series of his career - seriously, show me a single player that is anywhere NEAR this..

just look at the OP of this thread - Jordan has 28 of the top 100 scoring performances since 1985.. no one else's accomplishments are even close to his - that's why he had the best NBA career known to man in the modern era.. you guys are all fools for considering anyone else as goat, but you just don't realize it because you don't understand the game well enough to discern his greatness when you watch him.

Damn...MJ was a great player. Never would have known that.

Thank god we have you posting on this forum...or else MJ would never be recognized as the great player he was.

Just think, without you, Jordan would have died without anyone ever acknowledging his greatness.

[Dr Hawk]

A lot of a player's legacy is shaped by circumstance. Compared to the rest of the top 10-12 of all time, Hakeem had less fortunate circumstances in terms of team mates, particularly with regards to Sampson. I think only Wilt was less fortunate in terms of team mates and competition faced. Put it this way, if Jordan and Kareem have 6 rings, Hakeem's ability warrants at least 4 or 5 IMO. But it's an uneven playing field since you don't play with the same guys and Hakeem had trash rosters in the late 80s/early 90s.

And yeah on Garnett, as a player I truly believe he was every bit as good as Duncan, or somewhere close to it. It's hard to quantify things like intangibles and leadership which I'm sure played a big part in keeping Duncan's situation stable, but guys like Pop don't come around too often. The way I see it KGs the best defender I've seen (along with Hakeem) and very capable on offense in his day.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Deuce Bigalow]

If Hakeem is the KING OF FIRST ROUND EXITS, then Chamberlain is the ****ING KING OF THE ****ING CHOKERS

1984-85: 21/13/1.4/1.4/2.6
1987-88: 37.5/16.8/1.8/2.3/2.8
1988-89: 25.3/13/3/2.5/2.8
1989-90: 18.5/11.5/2/2.5/5.8 (scoring wise he wasn't great, but he was a beast defensively)
1990-91: 22/14.7/2/1.3/2.7

Just like Wilt, he needed a TEAM. From 1985 to 1991 he posted 26.5/12.5/2.1/1.9/3.6 on .54 FG%

So yeah, just like you say, CONTEXT
Funny how hypocritical Laz can be. When Wilt loses in the playoffs he posts his stats and the loss is because his team wasn't good enough, when he talks about Hakeem the loss is on him only as if he was his own team. Why is Wilt judged individually while Hakeem is judged on what his team did Laz?

[3ball]

Damn...MJ was a great player. Never would have known that.



Playoffs:


Michael Jordan: 33.5 ppg (#1 all-time)

Wilt Chamberlain: 22.5 ppg (#29 all-time)


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[Angel Face]

Playoffs:


Michael Jordan: 33.5 ppg (#1 all-time)

Wilt Chamberlain: 22.5 ppg (#29 all-time)


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Now, post their Finals stats!

[ClipperRevival]

Playoffs:


Michael Jordan: 33.5 ppg (#1 all-time)

Wilt Chamberlain: 22.5 ppg (#29 all-time)


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Preach bro.

[ClipperRevival]

Now, post their Finals stats!

Let's not rub it in. MJ has truth on his side, Ilt has excuses on his side. I ride with truth.

[Deuce Bigalow]

A lot of a player's legacy is shaped by circumstance. Compared to the rest of the top 10-12 of all time, Hakeem had less fortunate circumstances in terms of team mates, particularly with regards to Sampson. I think only Wilt was less fortunate in terms of team mates and competition faced. Put it this way, if Jordan and Kareem have 6 rings, Hakeem's ability warrants at least 4 or 5 IMO. But it's an uneven playing field since you don't play with the same guys and Hakeem had trash rosters in the late 80s/early 90s.

And yeah on Garnett, as a player I truly believe he was every bit as good as Duncan, or somewhere close to it. It's hard to quantify things like intangibles and leadership which I'm sure played a big part in keeping Duncan's situation stable, but guys like Pop don't come around too often. The way I see it KGs the best defender I've seen (along with Hakeem) and very capable on offense in his day.
You do know that the 67 Sixers and the 72 Lakers had the best records ever at that point (68 and 69 wins with a 33!!!! game win streak in '72). Wilt's teammates those 2 years include:

Hal Greer - named to the 50 greatest players list, HOFer, 10 time All-star, 7 All-NBA teams, champion ('67)

Chet Walker - HOFer, 7 time All-star, champion ('67)

Billy Cunningham - named to the 50 greatest players list, HOFer, ABA MVP, 4 time NBA All-star, champion ('67)

Luke Jackson - made an all star team, champion ('67)

^^ all on the '67 Sixers

Jerry West - named to the 50 greatest players list, HOFer, FMVP ('69 with Wilt on team) 10 All-NBA First teams, scoring champion ('70 with Wilt on team), assist title ('72 with Wilt on team), 14 All-star teams, champion ('72)

Gail Goodrich - HOFer, All-NBA First team, 5 All-star teams, champion ('72)

^^ both on the '72 Lakers

Wilt had a teammate that won a FMVP ('69), led the league in scoring ('70), led the league in assists ('72). Wilt was also NEVER the leading scorer on either championship team (3rd in '67 and 4th in '72).

[3ball]

Now, post their Finals stats!


ok

[3ball]

Now, post their Finals stats!



FINALS:


Michael Jordan: 33.6 ppg (#1 all-time)

Wilt Chamberlain: 18.6 (#43 all-time)



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[Dr Hawk]

****ing 3ball :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Angel Face]

Damn!

[Young X]

3ball killing these fools man :roll:

[ClipperRevival]

FINALS:


Michael Jordan: 33.6 ppg (#1 all-time)

Wilt Chamberlain: 18.6 (#43 all-time)



http://49.media.tumblr.com/99122b95cbb0f35c5d03460461378cfe/tumblr_mifj30gakF1raqkkco1_500.gif.

Don't do em like that.

But on the reals, Barry is #1 all time at 36.3 but he only had like one finals whereas MJ had 35 finals games.

[Angel Face]

so... from 30ppg -> 22ppg -> 18pgg

Talk about "Wilting" in the playoffs. The Big Dipper indeed.

[warriorfan]

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[LAZERUSS]

You do know that the 67 Sixers and the 72 Lakers had the best records ever at that point (68 and 69 wins with a 33!!!! game win streak in '72). Wilt's teammates those 2 years include:

Hal Greer - named to the 50 greatest players list, HOFer, 10 time All-star, 7 All-NBA teams, champion ('67)

Chet Walker - HOFer, 7 time All-star, champion ('67)

Billy Cunningham - named to the 50 greatest players list, HOFer, ABA MVP, 4 time NBA All-star, champion ('67)

Luke Jackson - made an all star team, champion ('67)

^^ all on the '67 Sixers

Jerry West - named to the 50 greatest players list, HOFer, FMVP ('69 with Wilt on team) 10 All-NBA First teams, scoring champion ('70 with Wilt on team), assist title ('72 with Wilt on team), 14 All-star teams, champion ('72)

Gail Goodrich - HOFer, All-NBA First team, 5 All-star teams, champion ('72)

^^ both on the '72 Lakers

Wilt had a teammate that won a FMVP ('69), led the league in scoring ('70), led the league in assists ('72). Wilt was also NEVER the leading scorer on either championship team (3rd in '67 and 4th in '72).

Yes...let's discuss the '67 Sixers, shall we?

First of all, and before I begin, Russell had MORE HOF teammates in that '67 season, than Wilt did. We won't count Nelson, because he is in as a coach. We will count Embry, because he was not only a HOFer, he was also a FIVE-time All-star. And we will count Satch Sanders, because he was generally regarded as the best defensive forward of his era.

So, here we go... on Russell's EIGHT-TIME defending champion... and 60-21 Celtics...Russell had... Howell, KC Jones, Sam Jones, Sanders, Embry, and Havlicek. How about Wilt? He had Greer, Cunningham, and Walker.

BUT, all three of Chamberlain's HOF teammates were healthy (and well coached.) The result? Wilt and his 68-13 Sixers just DESTROYED the Celtics in the EDF's. In fact, they were a mere four points away in game four, of a SWEEP. Then, in game five, the proud Celtics jumped out to an early 17 point lead...but the Sixers behind Wilt's SCORING, mounted a comeback. Chamberlain was unstoppable in the first half, and by halftime had scored 22 points. His scoring wasn't needed in the second half, as the Celtics had given up. Russell would score a meager FOUR points, and by mid-way in the 4th quarter, the Sixers led by 27 points...or a staggering 44 point swing in a little over half of the game...en route to a 140-116 win.

How dominant was Wilt in that series? He outscored Russell by a 21.6 ppg to Russell's 11.4 ppg. Which is really interesting. Why? Because the Sixers outscored Boston, per game, by +10.0 ppg...or nearly exactly the difference between Wilt and Russell.

Of course, Chamberlain just SHELLED Russell in EVERY aspect of that series. He not only badly outscored him, but he outassisted him by a 10.0 apg to 6.0 apg margin; outrebounded him by a staggering 32.0 rpg to 23.4 rpg margin; and outshot Russell by an unfathomable .556 to .358 margin.

Oh, in the clinching game five win...Wilt outscored Russell, 29-4; outshot him, 10-16 to 2-5; outassisted him, 13-7; and outrebounded him, 36-21. He also had time to block 7 shots.

Oh, and in game one, Chamberlain hung a 24-32-13-12 game on Russell. Oh, and in game three, he set a still playoff record by outrebounding Russell by a 41-29 margin.

Oh, and he AVERAGED a TRIPLE DOUBLE in that series.

Oh, and in the clinching game five, Greer led Philly in scoring, at 32 points, to Wilt's 29, but he shot 12-28 to Wilt's 10-16, and again, Chamberlain had 22 points in the first half, when it was needed.

Oh, and let's take a look at the Sixers scoring in that post-season. Greer led them, at 27.7 ppg, BUT, on a .429 FG%. Furthermore, Chamberlain averaged 21.7 ppg on a .579 FG%, and in a post-season that shot .428 overall.

Oh, and in Philly's very first playoff game, Chamberlain scored 41 points, on 19-30 from the field...and those 41 points would be a Sixer playoff high that post-season. Oh, and in the very next game, Chamberlain hung a 37 point game, on 16-24 shooting. He only scored 16 points in game three...but had a then playoff record...19 assists, to go along with 30 rebounds...and an estimated 20 blocked shots.

So, we KNOW that Wilt could have scored FAR more in that post-season. Hell, in his first two playoff games he averaged 39 ppg on a .648 FG%.

Ok, so in the first round, Wilt AVERAGED yet ANOTHER TRIPLE DOUBLE SERIES. 28-27-11 and on a .617 FG%. And had blocks been tabulated he almost certainly would have averaged a QUAD DOUBLE SERIES.

I have covered the EDF's, but again, had Wilt NEEDED, or WANTED to score more, he would have. And keep in mind that just the season before, and in a series clinching loss, he hammered Russell with a 46 point game.


Now, onto the '67 Finals. Chamberlain just ANNIHILATED a PEAK Thurmond in that series (Thurmond would finish second, a distant second, to Wilt in the MVP balloting, and overall, had an 18-21 .437 season.

Chamberlain just WAXED Nate in those six games. In game two, a 126-95 win, he hung a 10-38-10-10 QUAD -DOUBLE on Thurmond. In the clinching game six win, and with Greer scoring 15 points on 5-16 shooting, Chamberlain outscored Thurmond, 24-12, outrebounded Nate, 23-22, and outshot Thurmond, 8-13 to 4-13.

In fact, in those six games, Wilt outscored Thurmond in FIVE; outrebounded Thurmond in FIVE; outassisted Thurmond in FIVE; and outshot him from the field in ALL of them. Oh, and for the series, Chamberlain outshot a peak Thurmond, by a .560 to .343 margin. Keep in mind that an aged Thurmond held a peak Kareem to three straight playoff series of .486, .428, and even a .405.

BTW, could Wilt have scored more against Nate in that Finals? Well, think about this...in their first meeting in that '67 season, Chamberlain scored 30 points, on 13-18 shooting. BUT, he only had six points at halftime. His coach was incensed by the fact that Wilt's teammates were getting killed, so he asked WILT to score in the second half...and score he did...24 points. Oh, and just the season before, in 65-66, Wilt hung games of 38 and 45 on Thurmond (as a side note, KAJ's career high against Thurmond was 34 points.)

Oh, and Rick Barry led both teams in scoring with an MJ-like 41 ppg. BUT, virtually EVERYONE, including Barry himself, claimed that WILT just DOMINATED the entire series.

For the entire post-season, Chamberlain averaged a 22-29-9 (with probably at least 8+ bpg)...on a .579 FG%, (in a post-season that shot .428.)


Then think about this...

Had Wilt had that roster, healthy, and with that coach, for all ten seasons he was in the league together, he most certainly would have won TEN RINGS.

Then, think about this...

Russell FEASTED on the Lakers FIVE times in the Finals (he actually played against them six times, but in the one time he faced Chamberlain, he did virtually nothing on the offensive end.)

And give the FACT that Chamberlain just CRUSHED the Lakers in his 82 H2H games in the decade of the 60's, with probably close to a 40 ppg average in that span (and with entire seasons of 40, 44, 48, and even 52 ppg against them) just how many post-season scoring and efficiency records would Wilt hold today, had he faced them FIVE times...instead of NEVER actually facing them in the post-season?

I could in-depth on Wilt's '72 post-season, as well, but keep this in mind. By virtually ALL accounts, including MILWAUKEE's press, and even Milwaukee's coach, Chamberlain outplayed a PEAK Kareem in the WCF's.

Furthermore, his HOF teammate West shot a horrid .325 in the Finals, BUT, with Chamberlain just dominating the last four games of the Finals, en routre to a FMVP, West finally won his only ring. BTW, in the series clinching game of the Finals, and playing with a broken wrist, Wilt hung a 24 point, on 10-14 shooting, 29 rebound (the entire Knick team had 39 BTW), 8 block game on the Knicks...and their FIVE HOFers.

Maybe the above will put little more perspective into the NONSENSE that Dunce posted.

[Shih508]

AI 2nd best scorer in modern era when it matters. Pound for pound best by far even comparing to MJ

[Deuce Bigalow]

AI 2nd best scorer in modern era when it matters. Pound for pound best by far even comparing to MJ
.401 fg and .489 ts for his playoff career
.389 fg and .480 ts in his lone postseason that featured a finals appearance (32.9 ppg on 30.0 fga)

http://www.sportstalkflorida.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Lakers_Kobe_Bryant_2013.jpg

Playoffs since 2001
1. Davis - 31.5 ppg (4 games)
2. AI - 30.6 ppg on .403/.338/.774 (53 games) 1 Finals
3. Durant - 28.9 ppg on .462/.341/.839 (72 games) 1 Finals
4. Kobe - 28.5 ppg on .451/.334/.825 (170 games) 6 Finals
5. Lebron - 28.1 ppg on .473/.318/.752 (178 games) 6 Finals
6. Curry - 25.9 ppg (40 games)

Kobe's played the toughest competition by far and has been the most consistent as well. The amount of 50+ win teams Kobe has faced compared to Lebron is just an example. Lebron was able to play the Wizards for multiple series...

[Psileas]

OK, I hereby present you 2 players, A and B, that have played for 5 years each in the NBA of the 2232-2236 seasons and acquired 2 opposing pseudonyms: The one is called "Dr.Clutch", the other is called "Mr.Choke", due to their scoring tendencies in the Playoffs compared to the Regular Season. I'm not going to tell you who is who, but, hopefully, you'll easily be able to make it out. To help you out, I'm going to bold their year-by-year numbers that were better:

Here are the scoring numbers of player A:

R.S (games-points-ppg)

Season 1: 70---1539---22.0
Season 2: 82---1622---19.8
Season 3: 46---1467---31.9
Season 4: 80---1889---23.6
Season 5: 82---2558---31.2

TOTALS: 360---9075---25.2

P.O (games-points-ppg)
Season 1: 3---61---20.3
Season 2: 10---168---16.8
Season 3: 16---500---31.3
Season 4: DNP (injured in fight with cops)
Season 5: 23---690---30.0

TOTALS: 52---1419---27.3

(Seasons when he averaged more points in the post season: 0/5--0%)

Player B:
R.S (games-points-ppg)
Season 1: 52---1154---22.2
Season 2: 75---2227---29.7
Season 3: 82---2214---27.0
Season 4: 66---1465---22.2
Season 5: 75---1859---24.8

TOTALS: 350---8919---25.3

P.O (games-points-ppg)
Season 1: 16---373---23.3
Season 2: 2---75---35.0 (got injured in practice before Game 3)
Season 3: 14---381---27.2
Season 4: 22---517---23.5
Season 5: 24---612---25.5

TOTALS: 78---1963---25.0

(Seasons when he averaged more points in the post season: 5/5--100%)

So, there you have it, gentlemen: Player A has a playoff career average higher than his regular season average and player B not so. Therefore, you guessed right, player A is Dr.Clutch and player B is Mr.Choke. :applause:

[Shih508]

.401 fg and .489 ts for his playoff career
.389 fg and .480 ts in his lone postseason that featured a finals appearance (32.9 ppg on 30.0 fga)

http://www.sportstalkflorida.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Lakers_Kobe_Bryant_2013.jpg

Playoffs since 2001
1. Davis - 31.5 ppg (4 games)
2. AI - 30.6 ppg on .403/.338/.774 (53 games) 1 Finals
3. Durant - 28.9 ppg on .462/.341/.839 (72 games) 1 Finals
4. Kobe - 28.5 ppg on .451/.334/.825 (170 games) 6 Finals
5. Lebron - 28.1 ppg on .473/.318/.752 (178 games) 6 Finals
6. Curry - 25.9 ppg (40 games)

Kobe's played the toughest competition by far and has been the most consistent as well. The amount of 50+ win teams Kobe has faced compared to Lebron is just an example. Lebron was able to play the Wizards for multiple series...

AI 3 out 53 50 points game... kobe 1 out of 170 lol


From game 1 until game 45. AI was always opponent's defense focal point..... on the other hand, dun make me laugh. up till 2008, Kobe was never opponent's focal point or he played one of the shitties defense team of all time (phoneix suns)

keep thinking that to make urself feel better. When it comes to scoring that matters, AI > Kobe

[Magic 32]

AI 3 out 53 50 points game... kobe 1 out of 170 lol


From game 1 until game 45. AI was always opponent's defense focal point..... on the other hand, dun make me laugh. up till 2008, Kobe was never opponent's focal point or he played one of the shitties defense team of all time (phoneix suns)

keep thinking that to make urself feel better. When it comes to scoring that matters, AI > Kobe

Kobe was a true team player in the playoffs (even in 2006).

And he was efficient.

And he was not a insane volume shooter (only 17 games with 30+ shots in 170 games).

And he played in the west.

Enjoy Kobe vs AI in the playoffs.

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[Mr Feeny]

Kobe has 1 50 point playoff game in 20 years or more basketball and only 11 forty point games:roll:

And this guy is a notorious chucker:roll:
In the finals forget about it. 40% and only one 40 point game :lebronamazed:

The higher the stakes the more he sucks

[DMV2]

Uhmm isn't this thread about the highest scoring playoff games, aka one game, aka more players could have played more playoff games and had more chances?

and I never said they were as important, but it's impressive. Most if not all of those guys were averaging 30+ ppg for an entire 20+ game playoff run. That is elite scoring/consistency on the biggest stage (the playoffs)
I wouldn't say total is a bad example but consider the fact that pre-2003 playoffs had best of 5 in the 1st round isn't the best way to indicate stats.

If you play one Post-'03 1st Round series that went to 7 games, you've already bested two swept 1st round series pre-03.

Total stats is more typically used for all-time ranking. Whereas average is used for a particular season, particular playoff run or career average. That's why they reward the scoring title to highest PPG and not most Total Points.

[DMV2]

so... from 30ppg -> 22ppg -> 18pgg

Talk about "Wilting" in the playoffs. The Big Dipper indeed.
:roll:

[yeaaaman]

I'm not sure which is more surprising from that list, Bonzi Wells or Rajon Rondo scoring 45 and 44 respectively. I only remember the Wells game of the two funny enough.

Would have also been funny if Nash scored 2 more to join the elite class of players to score 50. That would really show the extremes of his abilities being that he's also tied for 2nd most assists in a playoff game (23).

[aj1987]

Damn.. you'd think LeBron would pulloff one 50pt game considering the conference he's in.. pathetic. Officially out of my top 15 list (and I'm a huge LeBron stan).
Agreed. :cheers: :cheers:

I'm a hardcore Kobe stan and I keep hearing about how he's an ATG scorer, but he isn't on the list. Borderline top 50. Somewhere between 45-55.