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CavaliersFTW
01-24-2016, 04:08 AM
Wilt Chamberlain | Kareem-Abdul Jabbar
*0 - **% (02 games) 0.5ppg, 8.5apg | **% (*1 game) 0pts 0a
*1 - 75% (04 games) 2.3ppg, 5.5apg | NA
*2 - 85% (10 games) 5.6ppg, 5.1apg | NA
*3 - 63% (19 games) 6.4ppg, 3.9apg | 58% (04 games) 4.5ppg, 0.3apg
*4 - 73% (11 games) 7.5ppg, 3.4apg | 55% (05 games) 6.2ppg, 0.4apg
*5 - 58% (30 games) 8.2ppg, 3.7apg | 63% (12 games) 7.6ppg, 1.4apg
*6 - 61% (25 games) 9.7ppg, 5.2apg | 62% (17 games) 9.8ppg, 2.1apg
*7 - 56% (25 games) 11.5ppg, 5.2apg | 50% (30 games) 9.4ppg, 1.4apg
*8 - 68% (36 games) 13.9ppg, 4.8apg | 61% (36 games) 12.6ppg, 2.4apg
*9 - 61% (21 games) 14.3ppg, 6.1apg | 53% (42 games) 12.6ppg, 3.0apg
10 - 65% (36 games) 16.8ppg, 5.4apg | 60% (63 games) 15.0ppg, 2.2apg
11 - 60% (40 games) 17.0ppg, 5.5apg | 57% (60 games) 15.5ppg, 2.6apg
12 - 62% (48 games) 18.9ppg, 5.9apg | 60% (74 games) 18.1ppg, 3.0apg
13 - 59% (37 games) 19.3ppg, 6.5apg | 57% (90 games) 18.1ppg, 3.2apg
14 - 62% (48 games) 21.1ppg, 6.0apg | 58% (106 games) 20.7ppg, 3.3apg
15 - 59% (38 games) 22.6ppg, 4.3apg | 58% (89 games) 21.7ppg, 4.0apg
16 - 62% (26 games) 23.9ppg, 6.0apg | 58% (118 games) 23.6ppg, 3.5apg
17 - 56% (23 games) 24.1ppg, 5.2apg | 57% (105 games) 24.3ppg, 3.6apg
18 - 58% (33 games) 25.7ppg, 6.1apg | 58% (109 games) 25.2ppg, 3.9apg
19 - 53% (31 games) 26.2ppg, 4.7apg | 58% (110 games) 27.0ppg, 3.8apg
20 - 54% (36 games) 27.5ppg, 5.1apg | 56% (98 games) 26.7ppg, 4.1apg
21 - 53% (30 games) 28.3ppg, 4.6apg | 57% (91 games) 28.4ppg, 4.2apg
22 - 55% (31 games) 31.0ppg, 5.3apg | 55% (88 games) 29.1ppg, 4.2apg
23 - 57% (30 games) 31.6ppg, 4.1apg | 56% (66 games) 31.0ppg, 3.8apg
24 - 54% (19 games) 32.9ppg, 3.5apg | 53% (67 games) 30.9ppg, 3.7apg
25 - 53% (27 games) 33.0ppg, 3.7apg | 52% (60 games) 31.8ppg, 3.7apg
26 - 54% (28 games) 34.4ppg, 4.3apg | 52% (48 games) 31.3ppg, 4.7apg
27 - 56% (22 games) 36.5ppg, 3.4apg | 54% (47 games) 33.7ppg, 4.4apg
28 - 50% (23 games) 35.2ppg, 3.1apg | 51% (41 games) 33.7ppg, 4.0apg
29 - 53% (34 games) 37.6ppg, 3.4apg | 54% (25 games) 35.3ppg, 4.4apg
30 - 52% (12 games) 36.0ppg, 3.3apg | 51% (21 games) 36.9ppg, 4.2apg
31 - 50% (22 games) 38.3ppg, 3.3apg | 51% (15 games) 35.8ppg, 4.8apg
32 - 49% (28 games) 39.7ppg, 2.7apg | 52% (14 games) 38.6ppg, 3.2apg
33 - 49% (25 games) 40.2ppg, 2.9apg | 48% (18 games) 37.0ppg, 3.9apg
34 - 50% (23 games) 41.9ppg, 3.4apg | 54% (04 games) 42.0ppg, 6.0apg
35 - 53% (23 games) 44.0ppg, 2.7apg | 51% (03 games) 40.3ppg, 3.3apg
36 - 54% (23 games) 47.9ppg, 3.3apg | 55% (04 games) 47.3ppg, 4.8apg
37 - 52% (12 games) 48.8ppg, 2.9apg | 42% (02 games) 35.0ppg, 7.0apg
38 - 54% (18 games) 49.7ppg, 2.9apg | 53% (01 game) 49pts, 1a
39 - 49% (14 games) 45.8ppg, 2.0apg | 56% (01 game) 50pts, 2a
*-_Jabbar never attempted more than 39 shots_-*
40 - 50% (11 games) 48.3ppg, 2.7apg
41 - 55% (09 games) 55.2ppg, 3.1apg
42 - 48% (16 games) 48.5ppg, 2.8apg
43 - 53% (10 games) 55.0ppg, 2.4apg
44 - 51% (14 games) 53.6ppg, 3.3apg
45 - 52% (04 games) 54.8ppg, 4.3apg
46 - 49% (09 games) 54.1ppg, 3.3apg
47 - 53% (07 games) 57.7ppg, 2.5apg
48 - 50% (09 games) 59.4ppg, 1.4apg
49 - 41% (02 games) 54.0ppg, 4.0apg
50 - 47% (02 games) 56.5ppg, 3.0apg
51 - 44% (03 games) 53.7ppg, 2.0apg
52 - 52% (*1 game) 61pts, 3a
53 - 44% (02 games) 56.0ppg, 1.5apg
54
55
56 - 41% (*1 game) 55pts, 5a
57 - 47% (*1 game) 61pts, 1a
58 - 47% (*1 game) 63pts, 3a
59
60 - 38% (*1 game) 53pts, 2a
61
62 - 50% (*1 game) 78pts, 1a
63 - 57% (*1 game) 100pts, 2a

CavaliersFTW
01-24-2016, 04:19 AM
Here it is with the player with the edge in scoring or efficiency at the given shot attempt volumes bolded:

Wilt Chamberlain | Kareem-Abdul Jabbar
*0 - **% (02 games) 0.5ppg | **% (*1 game) 0pts
*1 - 75% (04 games) 2.3ppg | NA
*2 - 85% (10 games) 5.6ppg | NA
*3 - 63% (19 games) 6.4ppg | 58% (04 games) 4.5ppg
*4 - 73% (11 games) 7.5ppg | 55% (05 games) 6.2ppg
*5 - 58% (30 games) 8.2ppg | 63% (12 games) 7.6ppg
*6 - 61% (25 games) 9.7ppg | 62% (17 games) 9.8ppg
*7 - 56% (25 games) 11.5ppg | 50% (30 games) 9.4ppg
*8 - 68% (36 games) 13.9ppg | 61% (36 games) 12.6ppg
*9 - 61% (21 games) 14.3ppg | 53% (42 games) 12.6ppg
10 - 65% (36 games) 16.8ppg | 60% (63 games) 15.0ppg
11 - 60% (40 games) 17.0ppg | 57% (60 games) 15.5ppg
12 - 62% (48 games) 18.9ppg | 60% (74 games) 18.1ppg
13 - 59% (37 games) 19.3ppg | 57% (90 games) 18.1ppg
14 - 62% (48 games) 21.1ppg | 58% (106 games) 20.7ppg
15 - 59% (38 games) 22.6ppg | 58% (89 games) 21.7ppg
16 - 62% (26 games) 23.9ppg | 58% (118 games) 23.6ppg
17 - 56% (23 games) 24.1ppg | 57% (105 games) 24.3ppg
18 - 58% (33 games) 25.7ppg | 58% (109 games) 25.2ppg
19 - 53% (31 games) 26.2ppg | 58% (110 games) 27.0ppg
20 - 54% (36 games) 27.5ppg | 56% (98 games) 26.7ppg
21 - 53% (30 games) 28.3ppg | 57% (91 games) 28.4ppg
22 - 55% (31 games) 31.0ppg | 55% (88 games) 29.1ppg
23 - 57% (30 games) 31.6ppg | 56% (66 games) 31.0ppg
24 - 54% (19 games) 32.9ppg | 53% (67 games) 30.9ppg
25 - 53% (27 games) 33.0ppg | 52% (60 games) 31.8ppg
26 - 54% (28 games) 34.4ppg | 52% (48 games) 31.3ppg
27 - 56% (22 games) 36.5ppg | 54% (47 games) 33.7ppg
28 - 50% (23 games) 35.2ppg | 51% (41 games) 33.7ppg
29 - 53% (34 games) 37.6ppg | 54% (25 games) 35.3ppg
30 - 52% (12 games) 36.0ppg | 51% (21 games) 36.9ppg
31 - 50% (22 games) 38.3ppg | 51% (15 games) 35.8ppg
32 - 49% (28 games) 39.7ppg | 52% (14 games) 38.6ppg
33 - 49% (25 games) 40.2ppg | 48% (18 games) 37.0ppg
34 - 50% (23 games) 41.9ppg | 54% (04 games) 42.0ppg
35 - 53% (23 games) 44.0ppg | 51% (03 games) 40.3ppg
36 - 54% (23 games) 47.9ppg | 55% (04 games) 47.3ppg
37 - 52% (12 games) 48.8ppg | 42% (02 games) 35.0ppg
38 - 54% (18 games) 49.7ppg | 53% (01 game) 49pts
39 - 49% (14 games) 45.8ppg | 56% (01 game) 50pts
40 - 50% (11 games) 48.3ppg
41 - 55% (09 games) 55.2ppg
42 - 48% (16 games) 48.5ppg
43 - 53% (10 games) 55.0ppg
44 - 51% (14 games) 53.6ppg
45 - 52% (04 games) 54.8ppg
46 - 49% (09 games) 54.1ppg
47 - 53% (07 games) 57.7ppg
48 - 50% (09 games) 59.4ppg
49 - 41% (02 games) 54.0ppg
50 - 47% (02 games) 56.5ppg
51 - 44% (03 games) 53.7ppg
52 - 52% (*1 game) 61pts
53 - 44% (02 games) 56.0ppg
56 - 41% (*1 game) 55pts
57 - 47% (*1 game) 61pts
58 - 47% (*1 game) 63pts
60 - 38% (*1 game) 53pts
62 - 50% (*1 game) 78pts
63 - 57% (*1 game) 100pts

So if anyone thought Kareem gives you better or more efficient scoring output on fewer attempts, or that Wilt shot dramatically worse when shooting on similar volumes as Kareem ...well ...that's not what the numbers say.

Odinn
01-24-2016, 04:53 AM
I think we still need ts% or ft% alone to support those fg% numbers and justify that conclusion.
The main idea behind our claim is "Kareem took less from his teammates to produce similar number of points".
I know it's not one the best advanced stats but usg% could be very useful on this matter.

But, TBH, that's far close than I expected.

CavaliersFTW
01-24-2016, 05:08 AM
I think we still need ts% or ft% alone to support those fg% numbers and justify that conclusion.
The main idea behind our claim is "Kareem took less from his teammates to produce similar number of points".
I know it's not one the best advanced stats but usg% could be very useful on this matter.

But, TBH, that's far close than I expected.
What it shows to me is that Wilt - despite his poorer free throw shooting - was able to offset the free throw edge Jabbar had and then some by being more accurate from the field than Jabbar at most every type of shot volume and on top of that was fouled so many more times than Kareem that he still scored a good measure more points at the free throw line on similar field goal attempt volumes. And while he wasn't a great foul shooter, drawing more fouls also puts the other teams players in foul trouble more easily.

Odinn
01-24-2016, 05:41 AM
What it shows to me is that Wilt - despite his poorer free throw shooting - was able to offset the free throw edge Jabbar had and then some by being more accurate from the field than Jabbar at most every type of shot volume and on top of that was fouled so many more times than Kareem that he still scored a good measure more points at the free throw line on similar field goal attempt volumes. And while he wasn't a great foul shooter, drawing more fouls also puts the other teams players in foul trouble more easily.
Well, another issue about these numbers;

You, yourself, stated Wilt played as his team's dedicated volume scorer for 3 seasons. He was his team's go-to guy for like 8-9 seasons.
But Kareem on the other hand, he was the go-to guy until end of 1985-86 season. That makes 17 seasons. Twice of Wilt. This has surely an effect on those numbers.

When Wilt made 25 attempts at the age of 34, that means he was on a roll, his fg% was better. When Kareem made 25 attempts at the age of 34, that meant his team needed his half-court offense and he was facing more attention from opponent defense.

What I'm saying, you clarified Wilt's spans for his offensive roles. And you should do such thing for Kareem's situation. Other wise, this thread's just a biased opinion.

CavaliersFTW
01-24-2016, 05:54 AM
Well, another issue about these numbers;

You, yourself, stated Wilt played as his team's dedicated volume scorer for 3 seasons. He was his team's go-to guy for like 8-9 seasons.
But Kareem on the other hand, he was the go-to guy until end of 1985-86 season. That makes 17 seasons. Twice of Wilt. This has surely an effect on those numbers.

When Wilt made 25 attempts at the age of 34, that means he was on a roll, his fg% was better. When Kareem made 25 attempts at the age of 34, that meant his team needed his half-court offense and he was facing more attention from opponent defense.

What I'm saying, you clarified Wilt's spans for his offensive roles. And you should do such thing for Kareem's situation. Other wise, this thread's just a biased opinion.
I don't think so not really, it's just what each player scored on a given volume. If Wilt attempted 25 shots in his prime scoring years - it was an off night. So this concern about him doing it as an old man riding a hot hand is moot.

The other topic I've shed light on shows this same thing. No matter what Wilt's volumes - he was generally still going to get you a few more points on a slightly better efficiency. And when he really wanted to get points in large volume, nobody could keep up.

dunksby
01-24-2016, 06:49 AM
Kareem played to win, Wilt played to get stats.

CavaliersFTW
01-24-2016, 06:53 AM
Kareem played to win, Wilt played to get stats.
Awful lot of 6 shots or less games and an awful lot of W's regardless of the number of shots taken for a player allegedly only concerned about stats and not about winning.

dunksby
01-24-2016, 07:08 AM
Awful lot of 6 shots or less games and an awful lot of W's regardless of the number of shots taken for a player allegedly only concerned about stats and not about winning.
Get back to me when someone gets close to taking 40 FGA for the season, or even 30.

Kareem career total FG/FGA: 15837 28307 56% total points: 38387
Kareem career FT%: 72%
Wilt career total FG/FGA: 12681 23497 54% total points: 31419
Wilt career FT%: 50% :oldlol:
Awful lot of fuss you make about Wilt's FG% and efficiency but still fall flat.

feyki
01-24-2016, 07:27 AM
I think , you should make more compare about ShaqvsWilt than Kareem . Kareem had efficient and team play , who is made 50+ pts once . Shaq and Wilt(60-65) had far more scorer mind and ball hogging . Kareem's special point is playmaking and shooting (Also defence against Shaq) .

LAZERUSS
01-24-2016, 12:19 PM
Kareem played to win, Wilt played to get stats.

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Funny thing...when Wilt and KAJ were the in league together, Chamberlain was more of a winner.

Of course, a prime Chamberlain was more of a winner than a prime KAJ was, as well.

It was certainly no coincidence that KAJ started winning his rings when the GOAT winner arrived. In fact the GOAT winner led his team to a 62-17 record the year after Kareem retired (and then yet another Finals, the next year.) Oh, and the GOAT winner could take his team to a clinching win in the Finals while Kareem was watching the game from his couch and nursing a mild sprain.

Had Chamberlain had MAGIC for 10 seasons, and there would have been absolutely no doubt that he would have added more than rings to his resume.

StephHamann
01-24-2016, 12:42 PM
http://img5.fotos-hochladen.net/uploads/unbenannt9m47a0gvi5.png

Gimme Jabbar over Wilt :applause:

BIZARRO
01-24-2016, 01:29 PM
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Funny thing...when Wilt and KAJ were the in league together, Chamberlain was more of a winner.

Of course, a prime Chamberlain was more of a winner than a prime KAJ was, as well.

It was certainly no coincidence that KAJ started winning his rings when the GOAT winner arrived. In fact the GOAT winner led his team to a 62-17 record the year after Kareem retired (and then yet another Finals, the next year.) Oh, and the GOAT winner could take his team to a clinching win in the Finals while Kareem was watching the game from his couch and nursing a mild sprain.

Had Chamberlain had MAGIC for 10 seasons, and there would have been absolutely no doubt that he would have added more than rings to his resume.



I love Magic. To me he is the 2nd best player I've ever seen. And I agree with the premise of your Wilt/Kareem comparison here. But in what way does Magic qualify for "GOAT Winner"?

Or even worse, an absolute, definitive statement of "GOAT Winner" in the quoted post?

LAZERUSS
01-24-2016, 02:20 PM
I love Magic. To me he is the 2nd best player I've ever seen. And I agree with the premise of your Wilt/Kareem comparison here. But in what way does Magic qualify for "GOAT Winner"?

Or even worse, an absolute, definitive statement of "GOAT Winner" in the quoted post?

He has the highest career winning percentage in NBA history, at .740. But, it gets even better, in their ten seasons in the league together, in the games KAJ missed, Magic went .750 in them (including 1-0 in the Finals.) In fact, take away Kareem entirely from Magic's career, and even include Magic's part-time '96 season...and his winning percentage was .742. BTW, in their ten years in the league together, in the games that Magic missed, KAJ went .604.

BTW, I have Magic at #3 on my all-time list, and just ahead of Kareem.

feyki
01-24-2016, 02:25 PM
Magic is greatest winner of seasons , not playoffs . Bill Russell is(playoffs) .

dunksby
01-24-2016, 02:27 PM
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Funny thing...when Wilt and KAJ were the in league together, Chamberlain was more of a winner.

Of course, a prime Chamberlain was more of a winner than a prime KAJ was, as well.

It was certainly no coincidence that KAJ started winning his rings when the GOAT winner arrived. In fact the GOAT winner led his team to a 62-17 record the year after Kareem retired (and then yet another Finals, the next year.) Oh, and the GOAT winner could take his team to a clinching win in the Finals while Kareem was watching the game from his couch and nursing a mild sprain.

Had Chamberlain had MAGIC for 10 seasons, and there would have been absolutely no doubt that he would have added more than rings to his resume.
Magic won jack squat without Kareem, your boy admitted he wanted to play with Kareem "the best player in the world" and that he would pass the ball in the clutch to Kareem cause he was the leader and the one they looked to whenever they needed a basket.
Now Wilt is the guy who promised to win game 7s but had to ask the coach to bench him during the 4th quarter cause a retiring Bill Russell was kicking his ass yet again :roll: :roll:

Boogey
01-24-2016, 02:35 PM
moms use to call wilt "shaq in shape."

feyki
01-24-2016, 02:36 PM
69-73 First Place Mvp Votes ;

West - 100

Wilt - 48


80-86 First place Mvp Votes ;

Kareem - 158

Magic - 8


:lebronamazed:

dankok8
01-24-2016, 02:39 PM
The OP posted that both Wilt and Kareem shot 52% from the field when taking 25-32 FGA/game.



So in that scenario Wilt Chamberlain in 196 games sample (28.4 FGA avg)
36.4ppg (52FG%, 52FT%)
25.1rpg, 3.4apg

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar averaged in 304 games sample (28.2 FGA avg)
34.3ppg (52FG%, 70FT%)
15.9rpg, 4.2apg


Take into account that Wilt shot 52% from the line and Kareem 70% and that Wilt took more free throws because he was intentionally fouled...

Kareem is the more efficient scorer no doubt about it. At least 3-4% gap in TS%.

LAZERUSS
01-24-2016, 02:47 PM
69-73 First Place Mvp Votes ;

West - 100

Wilt - 48


80-86 First place Mvp Votes ;

Kareem - 158

Magic - 8


:lebronamazed:

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Magic finished AHEAD of Kareem in the MVP balloting EVERY season after '82, ...their last EIGHT seasons together.


As for West. Great in '69, lost game seven in '70, didn't play in the playoffs in '71, puked all over the court in the '72 post-season and Finals, but thanks to WILT, won his only ring, and in '73 was a broken down worthless shell in the Finals.

Wilt was, BY FAR, the Lakers best player from '70 thru '73. Not even close.

LAZERUSS
01-24-2016, 02:53 PM
Magic won jack squat without Kareem, your boy admitted he wanted to play with Kareem "the best player in the world" and that he would pass the ball in the clutch to Kareem cause he was the leader and the one they looked to whenever they needed a basket.
Now Wilt is the guy who promised to win game 7s but had to ask the coach to bench him during the 4th quarter cause a retiring Bill Russell was kicking his ass yet again :roll: :roll:



Actually Magic won the ring in '80. Where was KAJ in that clinching game? He was HOME watching Magic hang one of the GOAT Finals performances of all-time, and leading that Laker team to a blowout win on the road (their biggest win of the series BTW.) CLEARLY, MAGIC could carry teams to titles.

As he would in '82, when Bob McAdoo was putting up the same numbers that Kareem did, but in considerably less minutes.

As he would in '87 when KAJ was a "third-wheel" and easily replaceable.

And as he would do again in '88, when KAJ diod all he could to LOSE that Finals, with the worst Finals, and the worst game seven, ever by a GOAT candidate.

And when Magic carried the '89 Lakers to an 11-0 record going into the Finals, but was injured in game two...a sweeping loss.

KAJ retired, and the Lakers IMPROVED. They went from a 57-25 team, to a 63-19 team (62-17 with Magic.)

And Magic would take an injury-riddled, rapidly declining Laker team to yet another Finals in his last season (going 57-22 with him.)

Magic retired, and the roof caved in. Records of 43-39 and 39-43. About the same record they had with KAJ, when Magic joined them in '79-80, and immediately led them to a world title.

feyki
01-24-2016, 02:54 PM
:roll: :roll: :roll:

Magic finished AHEAD of Kareem in the MVP balloting EVERY season after '82, ...their last EIGHT seasons together.


As for West. Great in '69, lost game seven in '70, didn't play in the playoffs in '71, puked all over the court in the '72 post-season and Finals, but thanks to WILT, won his only ring, and in '73 was a broken down worthless shell in the Finals.

Wilt was, BY FAR, the Lakers best player from '70 thru '73. Not even close.

:blah :blah :blah

:lol :lol

dunksby
01-24-2016, 03:18 PM
Laz melting down after hearing the truth, like a proper mental case that he is :lol

Anaximandro1
01-24-2016, 03:58 PM
Magic won jack squat without Kareem, your boy admitted he wanted to play with Kareem "the best player in the world" and that he would pass the ball in the clutch to Kareem cause he was the leader and the one they looked to whenever they needed a basket.

Kareem was Lakers' go-to-guy until the very end ...

Abdul-Jabbar wins the game (1988 NBA Finals G6) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYPHhY-MGj4)



Kareem had an amazing career ... only Russell/Wilt/Jordan deserve to be compared to Kareem tbh.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bNNeGlYryUE/VqUrSgjYtFI/AAAAAAAAFKE/Yqr7rhA3RaI/s1600/1.jpg


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aZ9ZPvPLkC4/VqUrSoVoYnI/AAAAAAAAFKI/YPykmfUFH28/s1600/2.jpg

feyki
01-24-2016, 04:07 PM
Kareem was the leader of 80 and 81 LA .

Magic was the leader of 87-91 LA .

82-86 LA were showtime LA . Magic or Kareem , Both had leadership of that team sometimes .

LAZERUSS
01-24-2016, 04:10 PM
Kareem was Lakers' go-to-guy until the very end ...

Abdul-Jabbar wins the game (1988 NBA Finals G6) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYPHhY-MGj4)



Kareem had an amazing career ... only Russell/Wilt/Jordan deserve to be compared to Kareem tbh.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bNNeGlYryUE/VqUrSgjYtFI/AAAAAAAAFKE/Yqr7rhA3RaI/s1600/1.jpg


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aZ9ZPvPLkC4/VqUrSoVoYnI/AAAAAAAAFKI/YPykmfUFH28/s1600/2.jpg


Absolutely meaningless numbers.

REALITY. Kareem went to TWO Finals, and won ONE, in his 10 prime seasons. In his other eight prime seasons, he was either losing with HCA, getting swept, getting blownout in the second round, losing with in the first round twice (with a heavily favored 60 win team), or missing the playoffs altogether twice.

Now, what happened in the last 10 years of his career, the last nine of which were with a slow and steady decline? Did he suddenly learn how to win? Or do you think something else might have been at work here. Maybe something even Magical?"

sd3035
01-24-2016, 04:14 PM
Wilt chucked 60 times in a game where he shot 38% :biggums:

You sure that wasn't Lebald's finals stats?

feyki
01-24-2016, 04:15 PM
Ahahaha Kareem did learn how to win by Magic :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


Amazing , amazing :applause: :applause: :lol :lol

LAZERUSS
01-24-2016, 04:17 PM
Wilt chucked 60 times in a game where he shot 38% :biggums:

You sure that wasn't Lebald's finals stats?

He chucked 63 times in a game in which he scored 100 points, as well. He even chucked from the line 32 times that game.

Of course, he ad 66 point games on 29-35 shooting, as well. Maybe you find another more efficient 60+ point game. If you look hard enough, you will find he had FOUR of the Top-6 in terms of FG% efficiency (and, of course, the record.)

LAZERUSS
01-24-2016, 04:19 PM
BTW, a PEAK Kareem, playing from the second half of his rookie season, including the playoffs; his entire '71 season, including the post-season; and his '72 regular season; was as great a pure peak as the league has ever witnessed. Only a peak Chamberlain was as dominant.

LAZERUSS
01-24-2016, 04:21 PM
moms use to call wilt "shaq in shape."

They were calling a 50 year old Wilt that...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAyN1LZNXfw

Actually, he was labeled "Zeus."

dunksby
01-24-2016, 05:40 PM
Kareem was Lakers' go-to-guy until the very end ...

Abdul-Jabbar wins the game (1988 NBA Finals G6) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYPHhY-MGj4)



Kareem had an amazing career ... only Russell/Wilt/Jordan deserve to be compared to Kareem tbh.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-bNNeGlYryUE/VqUrSgjYtFI/AAAAAAAAFKE/Yqr7rhA3RaI/s1600/1.jpg


http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-aZ9ZPvPLkC4/VqUrSoVoYnI/AAAAAAAAFKI/YPykmfUFH28/s1600/2.jpg
:applause:

jongib369
01-24-2016, 07:02 PM
Here it is with the player with the edge in scoring or efficiency at the given shot attempt volumes bolded:

Wilt Chamberlain | Kareem-Abdul Jabbar
*0 - **% (02 games) 0.5ppg | **% (*1 game) 0pts
*1 - 75% (04 games) 2.3ppg | **% (*1 game) 2pts
*2 - 85% (10 games) 5.6ppg | NA
*3 - 63% (19 games) 6.4ppg | 58% (04 games) 4.5ppg
*4 - 73% (11 games) 7.5ppg | 55% (05 games) 6.2ppg
*5 - 58% (30 games) 8.2ppg | 63% (12 games) 7.6ppg
*6 - 61% (25 games) 9.7ppg | 62% (17 games) 9.8ppg
*7 - 56% (25 games) 11.5ppg | 50% (30 games) 9.4ppg
*8 - 68% (36 games) 13.9ppg | 61% (36 games) 12.6ppg
*9 - 61% (21 games) 14.3ppg | 53% (42 games) 12.6ppg
10 - 65% (36 games) 16.8ppg | 60% (63 games) 15.0ppg
11 - 60% (40 games) 17.0ppg | 57% (60 games) 15.5ppg
12 - 62% (48 games) 18.9ppg | 60% (74 games) 18.1ppg
13 - 59% (37 games) 19.3ppg | 57% (90 games) 18.1ppg
14 - 62% (48 games) 21.1ppg | 58% (106 games) 20.7ppg
15 - 59% (38 games) 22.6ppg | 58% (89 games) 21.7ppg
16 - 62% (26 games) 23.9ppg | 58% (118 games) 23.6ppg
17 - 56% (23 games) 24.1ppg | 57% (105 games) 24.3ppg
18 - 58% (33 games) 25.7ppg | 58% (109 games) 25.2ppg
19 - 53% (31 games) 26.2ppg | 58% (110 games) 27.0ppg
20 - 54% (36 games) 27.5ppg | 56% (98 games) 26.7ppg
21 - 53% (30 games) 28.3ppg | 57% (91 games) 28.4ppg
22 - 55% (31 games) 31.0ppg | 55% (88 games) 29.1ppg
23 - 57% (30 games) 31.6ppg | 56% (66 games) 31.0ppg
24 - 54% (19 games) 32.9ppg | 53% (67 games) 30.9ppg
25 - 53% (27 games) 33.0ppg | 52% (60 games) 31.8ppg
26 - 54% (28 games) 34.4ppg | 52% (48 games) 31.3ppg
27 - 56% (22 games) 36.5ppg | 54% (47 games) 33.7ppg
28 - 50% (23 games) 35.2ppg | 51% (41 games) 33.7ppg
29 - 53% (34 games) 37.6ppg | 54% (25 games) 35.3ppg
30 - 52% (12 games) 36.0ppg | 51% (21 games) 36.9ppg
31 - 50% (22 games) 38.3ppg | 51% (15 games) 35.8ppg
32 - 49% (28 games) 39.7ppg | 52% (14 games) 38.6ppg
33 - 49% (25 games) 40.2ppg | 48% (18 games) 37.0ppg
34 - 50% (23 games) 41.9ppg | 54% (04 games) 42.0ppg
35 - 53% (23 games) 44.0ppg | 51% (03 games) 40.3ppg
36 - 54% (23 games) 47.9ppg | 55% (04 games) 47.3ppg
37 - 52% (12 games) 48.8ppg | 42% (02 games) 35.0ppg
38 - 54% (18 games) 49.7ppg | 53% (01 game) 49pts
39 - 49% (14 games) 45.8ppg | 56% (01 game) 50pts
40 - 50% (11 games) 48.3ppg
41 - 55% (09 games) 55.2ppg
42 - 48% (16 games) 48.5ppg
43 - 53% (10 games) 55.0ppg
44 - 51% (14 games) 53.6ppg
45 - 52% (04 games) 54.8ppg
46 - 49% (09 games) 54.1ppg
47 - 53% (07 games) 57.7ppg
48 - 50% (09 games) 59.4ppg
49 - 41% (02 games) 54.0ppg
50 - 47% (02 games) 56.5ppg
51 - 44% (03 games) 53.7ppg
52 - 52% (*1 game) 61pts
53 - 44% (02 games) 56.0ppg
56 - 41% (*1 game) 55pts
57 - 47% (*1 game) 61pts
58 - 47% (*1 game) 63pts
60 - 38% (*1 game) 53pts
62 - 50% (*1 game) 78pts
63 - 57% (*1 game) 100pts

So if anyone thought Kareem gives you better or more efficient scoring output on fewer attempts, or that Wilt shot dramatically worse when shooting on similar volumes as Kareem ...well ...that's not what the numbers say.
Awesome! Thanks for putting time into this, I actually mentioned it few days ago on here


Anyway you could do something like this but with there attempts/FG% VS Thurmond?