has there been any player or coach whose career was improved by Lebron?

[STATUTORY]

Larry Hughes, up and coming SG lance stephenson of the early 2000s before Lebron, washed out of the league after stint with Lebron

Mo Williams, commonly referred to as the Godfather, marlon brando of point guard before Lebron, reputation completely torn to shred after stint with Lebron

Chris Bosh, top 3 PF, top 15 player before Lebron, a nobody after stint with Lebron

Dwayne Wade, top 5 player, top 2 SG before Lebron, can't even get a max contract after Lebron

Kevin Love, top 3 pf, top 15 player before Lebron, bulky Mike Miller after Lebron

Kyrie, top 3 PG, arguably on the Steph Curry tier before Lebron, definitively below Steph Curry after Lebron.

5 up and coming coaches fired by LeGM

This is not even getting at players that Lebron basically forced into retirement like Big Z, Shaq, Delonte, etc

Some tides lift all boats, Lebron is like the opposite of that. Has Lebron had any positive impact on the career of any player or coach he was on a team with?

[Gileraracer]

The only positive in lebrons life is the HGH test

[kurple]

Mo Williams would never have been an all star without LeBron

thats at least one

[LoneyROY7]

Daniel Gibson.

[LAZERUSS]

Just his TEAM's W-L records. And their playoff successes.

Other than that, he was a "chemistry-killer."

[DukeDelonte13]

Gibson and J.J. Hickson for sure.


Coach Spo.




I will say this as a cavs fan:

Lebron is a prideful piece of sh*t.

[STATUTORY]

if you play with lebron you are guaranteed to be relegated and reduced to an open jumpshooter or a backdoor cutter, someone the fans will forget about completely

[MP.Trey]

I'm sure Bosh and the role players on Miami wouldn't trade their rings for some more stats and/or individual accolades.

[Showtime2001]

Nope none.

[LAZERUSS]

I'm sure Bosh and the role players on Miami wouldn't trade their rings for some more stats and/or individual accolades.

Bosh and his "can't do" attitude considers the four years he played alongside Lebron as a complete waste. He thrived on putting up meaningless stats on losing teams.

Fortunately, Lebron left, and now all is back to normal.

[KiiiiNG]

Just his TEAM's W-L records. And their playoff successes.

Other than that, he was a "chemistry-killer."
:oldlol:

Wins games with scrubs like no other dude in history. He leaves and said team goes right back in the gutter. (cavs 2010 - 2014, Miami - current)

All he does is win. Literally carries entire franchises.

[LAZERUSS]

:oldlol:

Wins games with scrubs like no other dude in history. He leaves and said team goes right back in the gutter. (cavs 2010 - 2014, Miami - current)

All he does is win. Literally carries entire franchises.

But his teammates don't like him. He forces them to play extra games late in the season...something they have never been accustomed to doing. And they all cheer when he leaves.

He is a "chemistry-killer."

[Fallen Angel]

Gibson and J.J. Hickson for sure.


Coach Spo.




I will say this as a cavs fan:

Lebron is a prideful piece of sh*t.
Hickson had better years.

Boobie, probably not. Gibson has his career year in 2010-11.

Coach Spo, not really. Did Spo really coach the offense, because I saw nothing but Lebron ball when he was in the game.

[Magic 32]

Lebron makes bad players better and great players worse.

Kobe makes bad players worse and great players better.

[KiiiiNG]

But his teammates don't like him. He forces them to play extra games late in the season.

He is a "chemistry-killer."
He killed that lottery chemistry the Cavs were accustomed to before he showed up.

How dare him carry the worst franchise in sports to the finals! ****ing cancer.

[STATUTORY]

Lebron makes bad players better and great players worse.

Kobe makes bad players worse and great players better.

disagree, Kobe also turns boys into men

look at guys like Sasha, Luke, the entire 2006-2007 roster, smush parker etc, Kobe elevated all their games and made them household names

Lebron takes established stars and destroys them

[beastee]

:oldlol:

Wins games with scrubs like no other dude in history. He leaves and said team goes right back in the gutter. (cavs 2010 - 2014, Miami - current)

All he does is win. Literally carries entire franchises.
Look up literally in the dictionary:

"Used for emphasis or to express strong feeling while not being literally true."
"I have received literally thousands of letters"

They should just change the example to yours.

[LAZERUSS]

He killed that lottery chemistry the Cavs were accustomed to before he showed up.

How dare him carry the worst franchise in sports to the finals! ****ing cancer.

He's been a cancer everywhere he's been to. Most observers thought he left Miami on his own. The truth was, he was booted out. The players were about to mutiny. Hell, they were asking the players union if what he was doing to them was even in their agreement.

[ShawkFactory]

Hickson had better years.

Boobie, probably not. Gibson has his career year in 2010-11.

Coach Spo, not really. Did Spo really coach the offense, because I saw nothing but Lebron ball when he was in the game.
Then you really weren't watching those Heat teams very carefully.

[ShawkFactory]

disagree, Kobe also turns boys into men

look at guys like Sasha, Luke, the entire 2006-2007 roster, smush parker etc, Kobe elevated all their games and made them household names

Lebron takes established stars and destroys them
:biggums:

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron definitely helped Bosh's career. Leading Bosh to championships is the biggest reason he's going to make the HOF, and LeBron's the only reason Bosh has experienced ANY postseason success

[G0ATbe]

Kawhi Leonard
Andre Igoudala
Dirk Nowitzki

There's no player that he's played with.

[IMObjective]

Kawhi Leonard
Andre Igoudala
Dirk Nowitzki:oldlol:

[AirBonner]

Mike Brown won coach of the year thanks to LeBron.......

[Bankaii]

Kyrie had the best year of his career last year. What are talking about?

[red1]

the trolling is real :roll:

[3ball]

Kevin Love, top 3 pf, top 15 player before Lebron, bulky Mike Miller after Lebron


i love this one.. :roll:

[Meticode]

To be fair, while LeBron was in Miami Wade had his two most efficient seasons ever. Wade sacrificed and shot 55% from the field. 55% for a shooting guard!?

[Lebron23]

Eric Spoloesta won 2 NBA titles. And The heat are now 24-21 despite having Wiltside.

[AirBonner]

Tristan Thompson

[3ball]

Eric Spoloesta won 2 NBA titles. And The heat are now 24-21 despite having Wiltside.
Wade and Bosh are old now, and a shell of where they were in 2011-2014.

They sacrificed the final years of their prime for Lebron-ball, which did result in 2 rings - however, they didn't think they were being used like a cheap suit..

They thought Lebron meant what he said about "not 5, not 6, not 7", and accordingly, they thought he'd stick around even if the going got tough (2014), especially since elite GM Riley can be trusted to bring in more help if needed.

[Hey Yo]

Wade and Bosh are old now, and a shell of where they were in 2011-2014.

They sacrificed the final years of their prime for Lebron-ball, which did result in 2 rings - however, they didn't think they were being used like a cheap suit..

They thought Lebron meant what he said about "not 5, not 6, not 7", and accordingly, they thought he'd stick around even if the going got tough (2014), especially since elite GM Riley can be trusted to bring in more help if needed.
???

Elite GM Riley made 1 Finals appearance with Miami (which they won) in the 15yrs he was there before LeBron came aboard.

[Angel Face]

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Dirk+Nowitzki+Jason+Terry+Miami+Heat+v+Dallas+U6uP bM3wyojl.jpg

[Lebron23]

Wade and Bosh are old now, and a shell of where they were in 2011-2014.

They sacrificed the final years of their prime for Lebron-ball, which did result in 2 rings - however, they didn't think they were being used like a cheap suit..

They thought Lebron meant what he said about "not 5, not 6, not 7", and accordingly, they thought he'd stick around even if the going got tough (2014), especially since elite GM Riley can be trusted to bring in more help if needed.


Lebron is 31 yrs.old, and he's been an NBA pro for almost 13 years..

[sportjames23]

The only positive in lebrons life is the HGH test


Oh shit. :oldlol:

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kawhi Leonard
Andre Igoudala
Dirk Nowitzki

There's no player that he's played with.

http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Dirk+Nowitzki+Jason+Terry+Miami+Heat+v+Dallas+U6uP bM3wyojl.jpg
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[sportjames23]

Kawhi Leonard
Andre Igoudala
Dirk Nowitzki

There's no player that he's played with.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[STATUTORY]

oh I forgot about Delonte

turned him from a bad mofo, to an actual motherf@cker

[Deuce Bigalow]

oh I forgot about Delonte

turned him from a bad mofo, to an actual motherf@cker
http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-garnett-reaction.gif

[3ball]

Kawhi Leonard
Andre Igoudala
Dirk Nowitzki

There's no player that he's played with.


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/20140105/4945293/daaaamn-o.gif

This is very true - there's no excuse for Lebron's bad defense making role player Iggy > Curry in 2015 Finals..

If he locks up Iggy like he's supposed to, AND shoots 50% against no double-teams, the Cavs win easily.. His horrific efficiency was due specifically to the 27% he shot on jumpshots (72% of offense), not the 67% he shot at the rim (28% of offense).

And we all know he bears the blame for 2011 making Dirk a legit top 20 all-time player and making Terry a household name..

Let's not forget 2014, where he let 2014 role player Kawhi be > Duncan.. Again, if he locks down the role player like he's supposed to, AND has the same offensive aggression he showed in 2015 (that won 2 games with lesser cast against better team), the Heat turn the series around, and have a chance to win.

[dhsilv]

Bosh's career is clearly better thanks to lebron...

[3ball]

Bosh's career is clearly better thanks to lebron...
He has a couple rings as a third wheel..

But his stats declined far more than they should have alongside Lebron, so his 3rd wheel status is now perceived as quite marginal, especially considering he gave up the final years of his prime to be marginalized, and is now past his prime and a shell..

Other 3rd wheels who weren't marginalized nearly as much (Parish, Worthy, Manu) were locks to make HOF, whereas I don't think Bosh is.

Bosh's chances at HOF would've been boosted more if he never went to the Heat, and kept being a dominant 24/12 player for a few more years and made playoffs alongside the blossoming Derozan and Bargani (who became a 20 ppg scorer in 2011 and 2012 before injuries).

[TripleA]

Bosh's chances at HOF would've been boosted more if he never went to the Heat, and kept being a dominant 24/12 player for a few more years and made playoffs alongside the blossoming Derozan and Bargani (who became a 20 ppg scorer in 2011 and 2012 before injuries).
Chris Webber still hasn't made the Hall of fame and you think Bosh will if he didn't play with the Heat. Haven't you not watched basketball since 2011.

[SouBeachTalents]

He has a couple rings as a third wheel..

But his stats declined far more than they should have alongside Lebron, so his 3rd wheel status is now perceived as quite marginal, especially considering he gave up the final years of his prime to be marginalized, and is now past his prime and a shell..

Other 3rd wheels who weren't marginalized nearly as much (Parish, Worthy, Manu) were locks to make HOF, whereas I don't think Bosh is.

Bosh's chances at HOF would've been boosted more if he never went to the Heat, and kept being a dominant 24/12 player for a few more years and made playoffs alongside the blossoming Derozan and Bargani (who became a 20 ppg scorer in 2011 and 2012 before injuries).

Bosh is an absolute lock to make the HOF

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html

His chances more than doubled since joining the Heat

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4758292&postcount=1

[3ball]

Chris Webber still hasn't made the Hall of fame and you think Bosh will if he didn't play with the Heat. Haven't you not watched basketball since 2011.
It's easy to cherry-pick one example - Bill Walton made top 50 players.. Isiah didn't make 1992 Olympics.. And on and on.

but on the aggregate, I'm right... Bosh was marginalized so much in Miami, that his HOF chances aren't that good right now..

now if he was still in his prime and putting up big numbers, then he would have a better chance - but now that he's a shell, his over-marginalization in Miami looks like his standard.

[Lebron23]

3ball is getting roasted again in this thread. Bosh is gonna be a hall of famer because he experienced some team success while playing under LeBron Ball.


If he had stayed with the raptors. He's just be another Shareef Abdur Rahim.

[3ball]

Bosh is an absolute lock to make the HOF

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html

I bet you his HOF chances were at best half of that before joining the Heat
bosh would be perceived as a better player all-time if he wasn't over-marginalized in miami.

he was marginalized so much in Miami, that his all-time stock is less than it would have been.

if he was still in his prime and putting up big numbers, then his all-time ranking wouldn't be hurt that much - but now that he's a shell, his over-marginalization in Miami looks like his standard.

you'll see - no one will know who bosh is in a year or two - the problem was that Lebron LEFT Miami, whereas guys like Bird, Duncan, Magic stayed with their teams, which helped Parish/Worthy/Manu.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

bosh would be perceived as a better player all-time if he wasn't over-marginalized in miami.

he was marginalized so much in Miami, that his all-time stock is less than it would have been.

if he was still in his prime and putting up big numbers, then his all-time ranking wouldn't be hurt that much - but now that he's a shell, his over-marginalization in Miami looks like his standard.
Bosh put up big numbers in Toronto but was never going to amount to anything as far as playoff success until he went to Miami.

[SouBeachTalents]

bosh would be perceived as a better player all-time if he wasn't over-marginalized in miami.

he was marginalized so much in Miami, that his all-time stock is less than it would have been.

if he was still in his prime and putting up big numbers, then his all-time ranking wouldn't be hurt that much - but now that he's a shell, his over-marginalization in Miami looks like his standard.

Explain why his HOF chances more than doubled to 98% since 2010?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4758292&postcount=1

[Lebron23]

bosh would be perceived as a better player all-time if he wasn't over-marginalized in miami.

he was marginalized so much in Miami, that his all-time stock is less than it would have been.

if he was still in his prime and putting up big numbers, then his all-time ranking wouldn't be hurt that much - but now that he's a shell, his over-marginalization in Miami looks like his standard.

Lack of team success = poor chance of getting into the hall of fame. Pete Maravich made it into the HOF because he was one of the best scorers in NCAA History. Although he lacked team success in the NBA.

[3ball]

Explain why his HOF chances more than doubled to 98% since 2010?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/hof_prob.html

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4758292&postcount=1
you'll see - no one will know who bosh is in a year or two

the problem was that in addition to Lebron over-marginalizing Bosh, Lebron LEFT Miami, whereas guys like Bird, Duncan, Magic stayed with their teams, which helped the all-time rankings of Parish/Worthy/Manu.

those rankings haven't baked in the fact that Lebron left Bosh hanging out to dry

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Bosh was not going to make the Hall of Fame before LeBron. Accept it.

[knicksman]

Go to scoring is the difficult skill to have. EVen a supposed superstar, lebron, couldnt do it. Thats why jordan could make those 55 win bulls team into a 67(1992 bulls) win team or the 45 win team to a 72 win team and champions coz he still could produce elite stats without reducing teammates. His skillset isnt redundant with pippen. But put bran into that same team and they wont win 67/72 and a ring. Hes just a superpippen. He cant provide the elite scoring that those bulls needed while jordan/kobe could. Thats why I value jordan/kobe more.

In conclusion. If I dont know how to build a team, Ill pick bran. He can make a team of scrubs into contenders but thats your ceiling. You cant win a ring with him. But If I know how to build a team, Ill pick jordan/kobe. Just find a pippen(draymond/rondo are late picks) and youre winning multiple rings. I just value more those players who can fit or players who could make good teams great.

[TripleA]

I think Bosh would take two rings over 4 first round exits.

[Lebron23]

you'll see - no one will know who bosh is in a year or two

the problem was that in addition to Lebron over-marginalizing Bosh, Lebron LEFT Miami, whereas guys like Bird, Duncan, Magic stayed with their teams, which helped the all-time rankings of Parish/Worthy/Manu.

those rankings haven't baked in the fact that Lebron left Bosh hanging out to dry


Bosh became a 2x NBA Champion while playing under LeBron Ball. Bosh is a good player, but he's not the type of player who can lead your team into the conference finals.

[3ball]

Bosh was not going to make the Hall of Fame before LeBron. Accept it.
you'll see - no one will know who bosh is in a year or two

the problem was that in addition to Lebron over-marginalizing Bosh, Lebron LEFT Miami, whereas guys like Bird, Duncan, Magic stayed with their teams, which helped the all-time rankings of Parish/Worthy/Manu.

those rankings haven't baked in the fact that Lebron left Bosh hanging out to dry - the rankings are looking at Bosh like he's Parish/Worthy/Manu, when his career was hurt by the star leaving in a way their's weren't.

You'll see - mark this post and come back in 2 years.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

you'll see - no one will know who bosh is in a year or two

the problem was that in addition to Lebron over-marginalizing Bosh, Lebron LEFT Miami, whereas guys like Bird, Duncan, Magic stayed with their teams, which helped the all-time rankings of Parish/Worthy/Manu.

those rankings haven't baked in the fact that Lebron left Bosh hanging out to dry - the rankings are looking at Bosh like he's Parish/Worthy/Manu, when his career was hurt by the star leaving in a way their's weren't.

You'll see - mark this post and come back in 2 years.
None of what you said matters. Bosh's career could have gone two ways:

1) being a "memorable," empty stats player in Toronto who never won a ring (making the second round/conference finals would have been a struggle)

2) winning two championships and completing a Hall of Fame caliber legacy

[Lebron23]

you'll see - no one will know who bosh is in a year or two

the problem was that in addition to Lebron over-marginalizing Bosh, Lebron LEFT Miami, whereas guys like Bird, Duncan, Magic stayed with their teams, which helped the all-time rankings of Parish/Worthy/Manu.

those rankings haven't baked in the fact that Lebron left Bosh hanging out to dry - the rankings are looking at Bosh like he's Parish/Worthy/Manu, when his career was hurt by the star leaving in a way their's weren't.

You'll see - mark this post and come back in 2 years.


Are you an idiot, or just a dumb @$$? Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, and Jordan in the 1990's had better teams than LeBron.


They stayed because they were winning games. Mchale and Parish were traded to the Boston Celtics. Bosh was a free agent, and he signed with his intentions of playing along side his 2 friends.

Freey Agency, and trades happens in the NBA.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Assuming Bosh stayed with Toronto while putting up the SAME numbers he did before playing in Miami, for consecutive seasons, guy would be no different than any other HOFer racking up individual numbers on losing teams.

His production, as overrated as he probably was, would've been deemed HOF worthy.

[dhsilv]

Wow...didn't realize posting a fact would lead to a mess here?

[Lebron23]

What's LeBron and Jordan's team record when they leave their team?

Bulls won 56 games in 1994 while LeBron's team missed the playoffs in 2011, and 2015

I know it's easy to hate LeBron because of the firing of David Blatt. But LeBron's is the main reason why the Heat won the NBA title in 2012, and 2013.

Chalmers, Gibson, and Varejao got paid while playing under him.

[STATUTORY]

Assuming Bosh stayed with Toronto while putting up the SAME numbers he did before playing in Miami, for consecutive seasons, guy would be no different than any other HOFer racking up individual numbers on losing teams.

His production, as overrated as he probably was, would've been deemed HOF worthy.

Exactly, to act like Lebron didn't destroy Chris Bosh and Kevin Love's career trajectory is insane

[knicksman]

What's LeBron and Jordan's team record when they leave their team?

Bulls won 56 games in 1994 while LeBron's team missed the playoffs in 2011, and 2015

I know it's easy to hate LeBron because of the firing of David Blatt. But LeBron's is the main reason why the Heat won the NBA title in 2012, and 2013.

Chalmers, Gibson, and Varejao got paid while playing under him.

because they got word from stern of being given the no. 1 pick:confusedshrug:

[Lebron23]

Exactly, to act like Lebron didn't destroy Chris Bosh and Kevin Love's career trajectory is insane


Have you played basketball in your entire life? According to your logic Kobe ruined Howard, and Nash's career when they played for your Lakers.

of course your numbers are going to go down if you play with 2 all stars. Nash and Howard's numbers went down whey they played with Kobe same with Barkley's stats when he played for Olajuwon's Rockets.

[TripleA]

I definitely would rather win two titles where I was a big part of it than never win anything and put up stats don't know about you guys.

[SouBeachTalents]

Assuming Bosh stayed with Toronto while putting up the SAME numbers he did before playing in Miami, for consecutive seasons, guy would be no different than any other HOFer racking up individual numbers on losing teams.

His production, as overrated as he probably was, would've been deemed HOF worthy.

There were several players in similar situations to Bosh putting up big numbers on irrelevant teams, guys like Abdur-Rahim, Jamison, Al Jefferson, Randolph, Boozer, Brand etc. Are any of those players going to make the HOF?

[SouBeachTalents]

Exactly, to act like Lebron didn't destroy Chris Bosh and Kevin Love's career trajectory is insane

So according to you missing the playoffs > being in championship contention and winning titles?

[TripleA]

There were several players in similar situations to Bosh putting up big numbers on irrelevant teams, guys like Abdur-Rahim, Jamison, Al Jefferson, Randolph, Boozer, Brand etc. Are any of those players going to make the HOF?
To be fair Bosh was a high level player over a longer period of time.

[STATUTORY]

So according to you missing the playoffs > being in championship contention and winning titles?
team accomplishments and individual accolades

apples and bananas

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

There were several players in similar situations to Bosh putting up big numbers on irrelevant teams, guys like Abdur-Rahim, Jamison, Al Jefferson, Randolph, Boozer, Brand etc. Are any of those players going to make the HOF?

Bosh had larger clout than MOST if not all those guys - and was more popular to boot.

BTW, Elton Brand is definitely a HOFer, unfortunately he's been underrated at criminal levels. Always has been.


To be fair Bosh was a high level player over a longer period of time.

Pretty much.

[livinglegend]

Mo Williams
Spobot
Bosh
Wade
Gibson
Tristan Thompson
Kyrie Irving
Mike Brown
Delly
Mozgov
Joel Anthony
Mario Chalmers
Norris Cole
James Jones
Anthony Parker
more

/thread

[stephanieg]

LeBron improved ISH's chemistry.

[ShawkFactory]

Exactly, to act like Lebron didn't destroy Chris Bosh and Kevin Love's career trajectory is insane
Did Wade have nothing to do with it?

[Fallen Angel]

Just because players won games with Lebron doesn't them any better of basketball players.

All-Stars are averaging career lows playing with Lebron.

[choppermagic]

Lebron makes bad players better and great players worse.

Kobe makes bad players worse and great players better.

Wrong. Kobe makes LAZY or STUPID players worse. There's no secret Kobe is demanding as f*ck. Players who hustle like the Machine thrived under Kobe and became mini-celebrities.

[ShawkFactory]

Just because players won games with Lebron doesn't them any better of basketball players.

All-Stars are averaging career lows playing with Lebron.
And all-stars averaging career lows in scoring doesn't mean that they are any worse players.

[STATUTORY]

for a guy that supposedly "makes his teammates" better, it's telling that there is absolutely no evidence of it

people often conflate high assist numbers and ball dominance plays with actualy making your teammates better. You don't make your teammates better by denying them ability to dribble and create for themselves, pounding the rock for 20+ seconds and making last second pass to them to milk an assist for yourself

making your teammates better is about challenging and demanding them to work hard in practice and develope their skillset. Something that MJ and Kobe excelled at

[livinglegend]

Just because players won games with Lebron doesn't them any better of basketball players.

All-Stars are averaging career lows playing with Lebron.

Lamarcus Aldridge has his worse stats since his rookie.
I guess pop and aldrige made his a worse player.
And I guess it doesn't matter he is winning.
:facepalm Some of you are borderline retarded.

[choppermagic]

So according to you missing the playoffs > being in championship contention and winning titles?

No, he's talking about a more global assessment of these players.

Bosh was a franchise player in Toronto. After playing with Lebron, he became the butt of jokes and a scapegoat for Lebron's fans looking to blame losses on teammates. Wade too. Look at all the videos on youtube blaming him for Miami's losses. Both of these players are now seen as a bit of a joke after being subjected to the Lebron-fan bashing. Their entire careers have suffered a lower reputation because of it. This doesn't even go into any assessment of any lack of confidence, lowering of stats, etc.

As for Love, wow. The guy was talked about as a MVP candidate before Cleveland and is now the target of "scrub"-level attacks by Lebron fans. He's been regulated to role player and scapegoat too. His career overall is taking a huge hit in terms of how he will be evaluated and value.

[livinglegend]

No, he's talking about a more global assessment of these players.

Bosh was a franchise player in Toronto. After playing with Lebron, he became the butt of jokes and a scapegoat for Lebron's fans looking to blame losses on teammates. Wade too. Look at all the videos on youtube blaming him for Miami's losses. Both of these players are now seen as a bit of a joke after being subjected to the Lebron-fan bashing. Their entire careers have suffered a lower reputation because of it. This doesn't even go into any assessment of any lack of confidence, lowering of stats, etc.

As for Love, wow. The guy was talked about as a MVP candidate before Cleveland and is now the target of "scrub"-level attacks by Lebron fans. He's been regulated to role player and scapegoat too. His career overall is taking a huge hit in terms of how he will be evaluated and value.

What do you think about Lamarcus Aldridge this season?
Did Kawhi ball make him a worse player? His stats dropped just like Bosh's did.

[Velocirap31]

Drew Gooden, Zydrunas Ilgauskus (all-star nod with Bron), Mario Chalmers (sucks now), James Jones to name a few. Spot up shooters do very well with Lebron since he gets them open looks frequently.

[Fallen Angel]

Drew Gooden, Zydrunas Ilgauskus (all-star nod with Bron), Mario Chalmers (sucks now), James Jones to name a few. Spot up shooters do very well with Lebron since he gets them open looks frequently.
Big Z was an All-Star before Lebron was even drafted, and Chalmers has been balling with Memphis when coming off the bench.

Him making spot up shooters like James Jones and Drew Gooden serviceable 10th men off the bench is not impressive.

[RepMe]

Daniel Gibson.
This is the only one I could think of too, and it is approaching a decade since he has been relevant.

[HoopologyPhD]

Without Lebron, Delonte West might have never found true love.

[Fallen Angel]

People that keep saying Daniel Gibson, look at his averages in 2010-2011 compared to all his years playing with Lebron.

It's not about being relevant, it's about producing. Gibson was more relevant with Lebron and produced more without him.

[Showtime2001]

Without Lebron, Delonte West might have never found true love.
:lol

[RepMe]

Without Lebron, Delonte West might have never found true love.
:roll: