Is Steph the GOAT offensive player?

[Nick Young]

Kawhi Leonard is widely considered the best defender in the NBA. Steph Curry is making him look like a scrub.

[Milbuck]

It's a pretty big sample size by now, but I still need to see him sustain this all year. But *if he does* then yeah, this is the GOAT offensive peak imo. The league has just never seen something like him.

[ISHGoat]

It's a pretty big sample size by now, but I still need to see him sustain this all year. But *if he does* then yeah, this is the GOAT offensive peak imo. The league has just never seen something like him.
:applause:

[TommyGriffin]

Yes.

[kennethgriffin]

kobe roasted all kinds of "kobe stoppers" throughout his career


great offense always beats great defense






unless you're lebron

[VeeCee15]

Kobe is terrible
career 45% shooter, can't shoot 3ds

he takes 30 shots a game..and hogs the ball and drives the other times as well.

Kobe is not great.

Curry is light years ahead of ANYBODY maybe even a bit ahead of jordan.

The thing is..curry plays a TEAM GAME he doesn't try to score 40pts a game but could avverage that if he wanted to ball hog

[LoneyROY7]

Yep.

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i259/funnymunny77/Vine_by_LoveShaq%208_zpsz9g2zkub.gif

[Marchesk]

It's Wilt or MJ

And it's not even close.

[Long Duck Dong]

It's Wilt or MJ

And it's not even close.

Curry is a more offensive force than anyone since Wilt, that includes MJ

[Marchesk]

Curry is a more offensive force than anyone since Wilt, that includes MJ

MJ Playoff averages:

http://s12.postimg.org/g6hkdbj4t/mj_playoff_avg.png

It's not even close.

[LoneyROY7]

This insecure Wilt stan is scrambling so hard.

[Marchesk]

This insecure Wilt stan is scrambling so hard.

Actually, I was doing 3Ball's job there. Minus the animated gifs and text.

[LoneyROY7]

Actually, I was doing 3Ball's job there. Minus the animated gifs and text.

Every post you make is a direct or indirect attempt to prop up Wilt. You throw in other names at times to make it seem less obvious.

It's not working.

[Collie]

Is there anyone in NBA history who improved over a few years as much as Steph did? Not counting HS players like Kobe or KG, I've never seen someone who made the leap from borderline star to potential top 10 player in such a short amount of time.

[navy]

The answer is yes.

[dreamwarrior]

Best single season performance I've ever seen. MJ was never this good. Kobe was over a week, maybe a month at most.

[NBASTATMAN]

kobe roasted all kinds of "kobe stoppers" throughout his career


great offense always beats great defense






unless you're lebron


CURRY SHOOTS A BETTER PERCENTAGE FROM 30FT THAN KOBE DID HIS ENTIRE CAREER... :roll: :applause:

Offensively he has changed the game.. Like Magic, Bird, MJ, Shaq now CURRY:bowdown:

[NBASTATMAN]

Best single season performance I've ever seen. MJ was never this good. Kobe was over a week, maybe a month at most.


Playoff MJ was better... Curry though a different kind of animal.. THE DEFENSE JUST HAS TO KEY ON HIM SO MUCH FROM ANYWHERE ON THE FLOOR... HE HAS TO PLAY THIS WAY DURING THE PLAYOFFS TO TRULY PUT HIMSELF UP ON THAT LEVEL... So far he has been amazing

[NBASTATMAN]

Kobe is terrible
career 45% shooter, can't shoot 3ds

he takes 30 shots a game..and hogs the ball and drives the other times as well.

Kobe is not great.

Curry is light years ahead of ANYBODY maybe even a bit ahead of jordan.

The thing is..curry plays a TEAM GAME he doesn't try to score 40pts a game but could avverage that if he wanted to ball hog


THIS... If he can play like this thru the playoffs than I will have to agree... AMAZING :bowdown:

[Marchesk]

And then you have Peak finals Shaq ...

[Long Duck Dong]

CURRY SHOOTS A BETTER PERCENTAGE FROM 30FT THAN KOBE DID HIS ENTIRE CAREER... :roll: :applause:

Offensively he has changed the game.. Like Magic, Bird, MJ, Shaq now CURRY:bowdown:

Too much credit. I'd say more like Bird, Shaq and Curry.

[Jameerthefear]

Best single season performance I've ever seen. MJ was never this good. Kobe was over a week, maybe a month at most.
If he continues this into the playoffs I'm inclined to agree.

[LoneyROY7]

Curry making it look way too easy. :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

Curry is a more offensive force than anyone since Wilt, that includes MJ

F*cking ridiculous. :oldlol:

This is the same overreaction everyone had about Beans in '06 and Durant a few seasons ago. Wasn't true then, not true now. Steph may be the best shooter ever. That's it.

[LoneyROY7]

F*cking ridiculous. :oldlol:

This is the same overreaction everyone had about Beans in '06 and Durant a few seasons ago. Wasn't true then, not true now. Steph may be the best shooter ever. That's it.

But but but he's Dell Curry with more opportunity. :roll: :roll: :roll:

STFU.

Curry right now is better than MJ ever was.

[Marchesk]

MJ was never this good.

You just don't say something like that. Calling 3Ball ...

[Milbuck]

But but but he's Dell Curry with more opportunity. :roll: :roll: :roll:

STFU.

Curry right now is better than MJ ever was.
But midget Reggie Miller doe :yaohappy:

[LoneyROY7]

But midget Reggie Miller doe :yaohappy:

:yaohappy:

[Rocketswin2013]

he could be. I feel '90/'91 Jordan are right there.

[Bankaii]

Let's see him in the playoffs before blowing any loads.

He's been ridiculous though.

[NBASTATMAN]

But but but he's Dell Curry with more opportunity. :roll: :roll: :roll:

STFU.

Curry right now is better than MJ ever was.


He has a case for regular season offensive peak.. But his playoffs have never been close to MJ's.... Can't wait for the playoffs... Don't forget Delladova slowed him down last season..

[juju151111]

But but but he's Dell Curry with more opportunity. :roll: :roll: :roll:

STFU.

Curry right now is better than MJ ever was.
Lets wait until playoffs bro

[DonDadda59]

...

You fools are as emotional and hysterical as women. :lol

Steph is the flavor of the month just like KD was before his injury, before that it was Bron (even though he never was pegged GOAT scorer like the others), before that Beans. A year or 2 from now someone else will emerge. And on and on the cycle of overreaction goes.

[LoneyROY7]

You fools are as emotional and hysterical as women. :lol

Steph is the flavor of the month just like KD was before his injury, before that it was Bron (even though he never was pegged GOAT scorer like the others), before that Beans. A year or 2 from now someone else will emerge. And on and on the cycle of overreaction goes.

But but but Dell Curry. :oldlol:

[DonDadda59]

But but but Dell Curry. :oldlol:

But but but suck my d*ck. :lol

Let's see if Steph doesn't get shut down by a Dellavadova caliber player and has a dude coming off the bench snatch Finals MVP from him this time.

[OldSchoolBBall]

No, he's not. He's probably top 3-5, though. I don't believe that he would be this effective outside today's perimeter friendly climate. The personnel he has around him also helps his game, but the rules do more so. Make no mistake - he'd be an all-time great talent in any era, but he wouldn't be doing what he's doing today.

[LoneyROY7]

But but but suck my d*ck. :lol

Let's see if Steph doesn't get shut down by a Dellavadova caliber player and has a dude coming off the bench snatch Finals MVP from him this time.

Tell me more about Dell though.

[Pushxx]

They are different players. Peak Shaq, Bird, Wilt, and MJ are in the same category, but I don't want to put anybody past anybody else here.

[DonDadda59]

Tell me more about Dell though.

Tell me more about my right nut, pu$$y.

[sekachu]

Best single season performance I've ever seen. MJ was never this good. Kobe was over a week, maybe a month at most.



Check out MJ stats from 88-93. Never this good?

Well, curry is doing it right now in front of you. MJ is the past. It's easy to say something stupid.

[LoneyROY7]

Tell me more about my right nut, pu$$y.

Aww, is the era stan upset?

:yaohappy:

[knicksman]

definitely

[konex]

Best single season performance I've ever seen. MJ was never this good. Kobe was over a week, maybe a month at most.


Kobe has averaged 40pts a month like 3 times playing with Odom and complete bums

[NBASTATMAN]

No, he's not. He's probably top 3-5, though. I don't believe that he would be this effective outside today's perimeter friendly climate. The personnel he has around him also helps his game, but the rules do more so. Make no mistake - he'd be an all-time great talent in any era, but he wouldn't be doing what he's doing today.


He def would have a much harder time if they were able to hand check.. His legs would tire and his shot would not be as great.. Still we are finally seeing a true GREAT... Not that bs kobe and bron.. Ive always written they were overrated.. THIS GUY IS AMAZING

[Achilleas]

http://niketalk.com/content/type/61/id/1884508/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL

[NBASTATMAN]

Kobe has averaged 40pts a month like 3 times playing with Odom and complete bums
IF CURRY TOOK THE SAME AMOUNT OF SHOTS AS KOBE HE WOULD AVG 50:rockon:

[stalkerforlife]

Yes.

[DonDadda59]

IF CURRY TOOK THE SAME AMOUNT OF SHOTS AS KOBE HE WOULD AVG 50:rockon:

The LeBron James Theory. :applause:

[Norcaliblunt]

No Curry is not the best ever, but lmao at all the other player stans getting troll baited.

[LoneyROY7]

Dadda with the soft neg. :oldlol:

Don't be so butthurt, dude.

[juju151111]

The LeBron James Theory. :applause:
Why you hating on Curry. So far this is the best season offensively regular season. Kobe never has had a season like this. He also doing it in less mins which means he might not fizzle out at the end of the season.

[Nick Young]

I saw prime Shaq, I witnessed prime Kobe, Steph seems more unstoppable than both, it's unbelievable.

To be fair defensive rules are much different between now and back in the days of prime Shaq and Kobe.

[Psileas]

Every post you make is a direct or indirect attempt to prop up Wilt. You throw in other names at times to make it seem less obvious.

It's not working.

GTFO. You and your likes are the ones who act like insecure bitches every time anyone mentions Wilt among the GOATs, which he obviously is. It's not Wilt fans the ones who whine "oooh, poster X left Wilt outside his top 5!".

[Norcaliblunt]

Shaq and Jordan were unstoppable and better than Curry. By get the **** out of here with the Kobe or Lebron none sense. Curry shits on them.

[plowking]

Underrated defensively too. One of the best defenders at his position.

[Nick Young]

https://giant.gfycat.com/BlindLameIndianspinyloach.gif

[Norcaliblunt]

Curry has just much impact off the ball as with it. That's what makes him special.

[LAZERUSS]

It's Wilt or MJ

And it's not even close.

:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Wade's Rings]

Jordan is the GOAT Offensive Player pretty easily.

[Mass Debator]

I'm not going to say the GOAT offensive player but to me he's the most explosive ever. If there was a stat for average fastest time to score 10 points from any point in time, he'd rank #1. He gives the Warriors big leads and the defense just goes to work from there.

[SugarHill]

It's Wilt or MJ

And it's not even close.
How can you list two dudes and then say it's not close?

[Lebron23]

Michael Jordan is rolling in his grave.

[STATUTORY]

certainly better than Jordan ever was

[Marchesk]

How can you list two dudes and then say it's not close?

It's called logic:

A Wilt
B MJ

http://www.electrical4u.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/symbol-of-nand-gate.gif

Curry is out, as in not even close.

[Lebron23]

certainly better than Jordan ever was


Get Curry's dick out of your butt. You F*cking Homo.

[aj1987]

Aww, is the era stan upset?

:yaohappy:
:roll: :roll:

I've never seen him meltdown this hard.


Anyways, MJ is still the GOAT offensive player. Curry is amazing and is have one of the greatest offensive seasons in history, but MJ >

[STATUTORY]

Get Curry's dick out of your butt. You F*cking Homo.

:biggums: :roll: :roll:

upset old man born in the 80s spotted

[SugarHill]

It's called logic:

A Wilt
B MJ

http://www.electrical4u.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/symbol-of-nand-gate.gif

Curry is out, as in not even close.
Wilt shit the bed when it mattered and played in a wack era. Curry's season stacks up with Jordan's best statistically

[warriorfan]

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[Lebron23]

:biggums: :roll: :roll:

upset old man born in the 80s spotted


It must suck to see that Kobe is already old, and washed up. And you bandwagoners are now supporting a new player.

[SuperPippen]

It is quite possible.


He's a better scorer than Kobe or LeBron have ever been. He's approaching MJ territory in that regard, and even MJ should not be omitted from this discussion.


He could approach 40 ppg, and he could break Kobe's (and possibly Wilt's) single game scoring records if he really wanted to. And while that may seem hyperbolic to some, keep in mind that he's averaging 30 ppg on 51% shooting and an unfathomable 68% TS. All while playing under 34 minutes per game.


He's simply breaking the game. All we can do is stand in awe.

[CAstill]

No, he's not. Wilt, Jordan, and Kobe are in a tier of their own which in time curry could join.

[jongib369]

Imagine building a team around Wilt, Jordan, and Curry :roll:

As the 3 leading scorers how many attempts would you give each?

Also, do they keep track of assists that led to a 3, or 2? Would be nice to make this more accurate

I made a thread a few years ago with that in mind

Points responsible for, points+points from assists

Oscar in his second year- 53.6 points

Wilt his 50 PPG season- 55.2

Wilt in 68- 41.5

Russell in 65- 27.9

Baylor in 62 47.5


-----------------------------------------------
If all assists were 2 pointers

Stockton in 90- 46.2

Magic in 89- 48.1

Bird 87- 43.3

Jordan in 89- 48.5

Jordan 87- 46.3

Kobe 06- 44.4

Curry 14- 41

Also, by offensive player are we just talking points/%?

Or can assists/points from assists come into play? Also what about offensive rebounds? GOAT offensive player might be too broad of a term for Curry.

Though I'm not saying that as a definitive statement, merely trying to add to the discussion. He's really something else, I'll never deny that. Hes got a spot on my all time team because of how he spaces the floor/creates his shots. There would be jack shit you could do to stop the 3 above in the same team

(Repost, added a bit)

[jongib369]

It is quite possible.


He's a better scorer than Kobe or LeBron have ever been. He's approaching MJ territory in that regard, and even MJ should not be omitted from this discussion.


He could approach 40 ppg, and he could break Kobe's (and possibly Wilt's) single game scoring records if he really wanted to. And while that may seem hyperbolic to some, keep in mind that he's averaging 30 ppg on 51% shooting and an unfathomable 68% TS. All while playing under 34 minutes per game.


He's simply breaking the game. All we can do is stand in awe.
I'd absolutely love to see him break their single game records. But I'd be happy with a 65-70+ game too

[PP34Deuce]

It is quite possible.


He's a better scorer than Kobe or LeBron have ever been. He's approaching MJ territory in that regard, and even MJ should not be omitted from this discussion.


He could approach 40 ppg, and he could break Kobe's (and possibly Wilt's) single game scoring records if he really wanted to. And while that may seem hyperbolic to some, keep in mind that he's averaging 30 ppg on 51% shooting and an unfathomable 68% TS. All while playing under 34 minutes per game.


He's simply breaking the game. All we can do is stand in awe.

He's also got shooters and defensive players that take care of it for him. Golden State is very well put together and it shows. They have mastered double and triple screen, ball movement, etc to get him open. He's prime Mike Bibby and Steve Nash on steroids.

[kennethgriffin]

for todays era he is... but for the 1960s, 70s, 80s, 90s and early to mid 2000's he isnt


he'd look ridiculous in a pre 3 point era


taking those long shots would get him benched

[Dragonyeuw]

for todays era he is... but for the 1960s, 70s, 80s, 90s and early to mid 2000's he isnt


he'd look ridiculous in a pre 3 point era


taking those long shots would get him benched

His game wouldn't be the same in a pre 3 point era. It would be in line with the players from that period. Curry is the GOAT shooter, in an era with rules tailored to suit his skillset.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

No. He has time to take that mantle but right now, no.

[PickernRoller]

He definitely reminded me of young Kobe toying around with the Spurs yesterday. So lovely to see.

What a beatdown, what a show he put up for the fans.

:applause: :bowdown:

[Wade's Rings]

He's also got shooters and defensive players that take care of it for him. Golden State is very well put together and it shows. They have mastered double and triple screen, ball movement, etc to get him open. He's prime Mike Bibby and Steve Nash on steroids.

:applause:

[feyki]

He is in the Great 4 after 1978 .


www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&per_minute_base=36&type=per_poss&per_poss_base=100&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&shoot_hand=&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&birth_state=&college_id=&draft_year=&is_active=&debut_yr_nba_start=&debut_yr_nba_end=&debut_yr_aba_start=&debut_yr_aba_end=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=&award=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=mp_per_g&c1comp=gt&c1val=25&c2stat=pts_per_poss&c2comp=gt&c2val=40&c3stat=off_rtg&c3comp=gt&c3val=120&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=pts_per_poss


Probably yes , goat (after 78) .

[pauk]

Scoring or Shooting (or both) wise he is up there at least when speaking of peak/individual season, he is probably the best pure shooter ive seen considering the array, difficulty, creation and most importantly volume (makes/takes) of his perimeter shots at an extreme efficiency.

Offense however is more subjective, unfortunately includes vision/passing skills, off. reb & versatility, leadership, not even close i think.

[Axe]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/cbf13688d6375541894890cf5b901489/tenor.gif

[Axe]

:lebronamazed:

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[Baller789]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/cbf13688d6375541894890cf5b901489/tenor.gif

Pointless GIF.
Like nobody airballed a jumpshot.
:facepalm

[Axe]

Pointless GIF.
Like nobody airballed a jumpshot.
:facepalm
How many assist titles does lebron have?

[Magic Is Magic]

No he is not but he is damn good.

[Axe]

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[Baller789]

How many assist titles does lebron have?

I'll let Gayball answer that one. He had a whole week to research that.

[Stephonit]

Thanks for taking the time to dig up the thread. No need to bother having to create it.

[bizil]

The are so many ways to look at this. MJ FOR SURE as a case with 10 scoring titles and having the all time PPG crown. Wilt does in terms of his sheer numbers in actual games like the 100. And averaging 50 PPG in season. Kareem has to be in the mix because of his longevity and having the most career points ever.

If you are talking the best blend of great scoring and genius level passing the rock, u got Bron, Bird, and Oscar in the mix. So when you are talking GOAT status, it's their resume being dominant offensive players. If it was just about skill scoring the rock, that opens it up. KD and Mamba get into the mix. When it comes to Steph he's FOR DAMN sure the GOAT shooter ever. And is arguably the best blend of shooting, handles, and dimes ever. His passing ability in VERY underrated.

IF I HAD TO GIVE an answer, I think it would have to be MJ. Because he was still a great passer from the SG position. Getting 8 dimes in a season and can swing to the PG easily if needed. Hell most of the today's top PG's think more like an MJ than they do a Magic or Isiah. Plus he's the most decorated in terms of scoring exploits. And he's among the most skilled scorers ever. He's a 10/10 in terms of midrange, slashing, and postups. He's a 10/10 in terms of his footwork and craftiness. He's a 10/10 when it comes to dominating with freak athletic ability. Plus still shot 84% from the line and 50% from the field for his career. Three point shooting is the only thing you can say he didn't do great. BUT that's something that was still just really coming into play in his era. He had the stroke to exploit the three ball more than he did.

[8Ball]

How many assist titles does lebron have?

:roll:

[Bronbron23]

Thanks for taking the time to dig up the thread. No need to bother having to create it.

It be dumb to create it anyway. A few idiots got caught up in the moment in 16 because thats what people do but steph isn't anywhere near to the goat scorer. He's not even the best scorer in his generation. He wasn't even the best scorer on his team for the majority of his chips.

[Baller789]

:roll:

So how many assist titles does Lebron have Gayball?

[Axe]

:roll:
:oldlol:

[Axe]

It be dumb to create it anyway. A few idiots got caught up in the moment in 16 because thats what people do but steph isn't anywhere near to the goat scorer. He's not even the best scorer in his generation. He wasn't even the best scorer on his team for the majority of his chips.
Rs superstar

[Bronbron23]

Rs superstar

Yep

[Baller789]

Rs superstar

https://i.ibb.co/nnkbcMJ/tenor.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

[Bronbron23]

https://i.ibb.co/nnkbcMJ/tenor.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

I can't tell if you posted this video in support of steph or to make fun of him. I'm assuming it's the latter because im not sure what steph dancing like a fakkit proves.

[Axe]

I can't tell if you posted this video in support of steph or to make fun of him. I'm assuming it's the latter because im not sure what steph dancing like a fakkit proves.
:oldlol:

[Baller789]

https://i.ibb.co/rFQSXpt/giphy.gif (https://imgbb.com/)

[Young X]

That specific version of him in that regular season is the best offensive player ever. He had a 63 eFG%. Shooting long jumpers. Taking 20 shots a game.

Nobody has ever been that much of a threat on offense. You never had to worry about any other player from every spot in the halfcourt like you did him. Even when he didn't have the ball, you still had to account for him.