2001 Los Angeles Lakers vs. 2016 Golden State Warriors [Archive] - Message Board Basketball Forum

IGOTGAME

01-26-2016, 01:28 AM

Kobe vs Klay would be quite the matchup

Why? Klay is the exact type of guy Kobe eats up with single coverage.

Kobe in the high post against Klay would get him in foul trouble every game. He just can't guard him..not only is he at a huge disadvantage as an athlete but he is at huge skill disadvantage and strength disadvantage

imnew09

01-26-2016, 01:34 AM

Kobe vs Klay would be quite the matchup

LOL SINGLE COVERAGE? Good luck .

NBASTATMAN

01-26-2016, 01:40 AM

Why? Klay is the exact type of guy Kobe eats up with single coverage.

Kobe in the high post against Klay would get him in foul trouble every game. He just can't guard him..not only is he at a huge disadvantage as an athlete but he is at huge skill disadvantage and strength disadvantage

I AGREE... But Kobe always had problems with guys that could come off of picks and shoot.. RIP HAMILTON, RAY ALLEN, REGGIE MILLER

dazzer87

01-26-2016, 01:41 AM

LOL SINGLE COVERAGE? Good luck .
True no way Kome could cover Klay 1 on 1.....

oh the horror

01-26-2016, 01:42 AM

THE Warriors win... Imagine Fisher trying to guard CUrry... :roll:

This Warrior team would expose shaq on pick and rolls worse than they did to LOVE...

Stop bro. You look silly.

FKAri

01-26-2016, 01:51 AM

Stop bro. You look silly.

Well, it's true. Shaq would get destroyed in pick and roll coverage as he often did.

Smook B

01-26-2016, 01:52 AM

Who stops Shaq?

sportjames23

01-26-2016, 01:56 AM

Who stops Shaq?

Draygo--I can't even say that with a straight face.

Shaq feasts.

The interesting matchup would be Kobe vs Steph, of course. Would young Kobe get caught up in trying to outplay Steph?

Lebron23

01-26-2016, 02:03 AM

Draygo--I can't even say that with a straight face.

Shaq feasts.

The interesting matchup would be Kobe vs Steph, of course. Would young Kobe get caught up in trying to outplay Steph?

Young Kobe was a much better defender than Prime Kobe. I am talking about that afro Kobe.

Nick Young

01-26-2016, 02:05 AM

Prime Shaq dominates the boards.

Mamba puts the shackles on Curry.

Lakers win this due to Shaq's lowpost domination. He'd average 40/20 at 60% shooting against the Warriors front court.

Nick Young

01-26-2016, 02:06 AM

I AGREE... But Kobe always had problems with guys that could come off of picks and shoot.. RIP HAMILTON, RAY ALLEN, REGGIE MILLER
Kobe didn't actually have problems with any of these guys, he held them under their career shooting percentages. It's just ESPN hype.

NBASTATMAN

01-26-2016, 02:14 AM

Stop bro. You look silly.

AND YOUR AN IDIOT... :rockon: :applause:

You must have never watched Shaq's pick and roll defense.. Or Kobe get abused by Ray Allen in 08 or Rip in 04

boldarblood

01-26-2016, 02:14 AM

I think Lakers win in 6. GSW are a great team, one of the all time greats. Shaq and Kobe in 2001 at Shaq's prime is hard to beat. Shaq is the immovable force in the middle. GSW have no answers for him.

LongLiveTheKing

01-26-2016, 02:15 AM

Depends on Shaq.

NBASTATMAN

01-26-2016, 02:15 AM

Kobe didn't actually have problems with any of these guys, he held them under their career shooting percentages. It's just ESPN hype.

CHECK 04 FINALS AND CHECK 08 FINALS... RIP AND RAY ALLAN.. Ray Allan had a great series and RIP had a better scoring series than Kobe... :rockon:

1987_Lakers

01-26-2016, 02:19 AM

I could see it going 7 games.

People acting like it wouldn't be a competitive series are fooling themselves, people in these threads always favor the older teams for some reason, especially if they are comparing them to something present.

Warriors were 67-15 last season and are currently 41-4 this season, it is historic stuff, the only team that won that many games on consistent bases are the mid 90's Bulls, not even the 80's Celtics & 80's Lakers won games like the Warriors are at this moment, if they keep winning like this and end up with another title you are going to hear talks about them being in the convo for greatest team ever, and it is well deserved.

Back to topic, Lakers obviously have the greatest duo here in Shaq/Kobe who were superstars, while the Warriors are a more balanced team with better depth and better defense. It would be a hell of a series.

Prime_Shaq

01-26-2016, 02:29 AM

In 1 game I think Warriors would win. Over the course of a series though, I think Lakers would take it.

Da_Realist

01-26-2016, 03:05 AM

2001 Lakers take this but I gotta admit I like everything about these Warriors and am more impressed with them than I was a few weeks ago. I love their teamwork, passing, leadership, ball movement, competitiveness and arrogance. Plus Steph is playing at an all time great level.

But lest we forget, 2001 Lakers had all those intangibles too. The Lakers would pose a problem for the Warriors that they hadn't faced yet -- an opponent with the ability to score points no matter what the other team does. Right now, that is GSW's biggest advantage -- they have Steph and nobody else does. Lakers had Shaq and Kobe that could put up points even on a great defense. San Antonio tonight didn't have anybody that guarantee buckets so they couldn't keep up with the onslaught. Lakers had two guys that could put up big numbers on any given night.

LAZERUSS

01-26-2016, 03:12 AM

Who stops Shaq?

Sadly, in this era...it would be Bogut, then Ezeli, then Speights, and then J Thompson....sending Shaq parading to the FT line, where he might go 20-40 on a good night...

and then Curry, K Thompson, Green, Iguodala, Rush, and whoever else they send out there, going 20-40 from the arc.

LAKingKobe

01-26-2016, 03:14 AM

Kobe vs Klay would be quite the matchup

Kobe would pound klay all the way to the portapotty.

HOoopCityJones

01-26-2016, 04:09 AM

I'll give Curry and company the first game. Even Iverson was able to pull off a miracle.

Nick Young

01-26-2016, 04:12 AM

Mr. Jabbar

01-26-2016, 04:21 AM

The eye test series :bowdown: :bowdown:

SuperPippen

01-26-2016, 04:52 AM

Prime Shaq dominates the boards.

Mamba puts the shackles on Curry.

Lakers win this due to Shaq's lowpost domination. He'd average 40/20 at 60% shooting against the Warriors front court.

Curry just took a massive, creamy dump over the reigning DPOY Kawhi Leonard's face.

You're deluded if you think deluded if you think Kobe - or any defender - can even hope to even slow down Curry. (No, Kobe was not a better defender than Kawhi, although reality clearly isn't gonna stop you from claiming otherwise).

Curry's draining threes over everybody regardless of who they put on him. It becomes a contest of whether his three point barrage can outgun Shaq's dominant post game.

SuperPippen

01-26-2016, 04:55 AM

I'll give Curry and company the first game. Even Iverson was able to pull off a miracle.

You're a fool, because:

a) Curry right now is significantly better than Iverson ever was, and

b) Curry's supporting cast is far better than Iverson's was in '01.

Not saying the Warriors win it for sure, but it would be an extremely close series. Also, you're an idiot. Did I say that yet?

NZStreetBaller

01-26-2016, 04:55 AM

No one in the warriors can stop kobe and shaq. The cavs coach would defend curry well enough. Just like he did with iverson.

9erempiree

01-26-2016, 04:57 AM

:lol

I think its a great debate seeing how great the Warriors are playing but the '01 Lakers were a monster of a team.

Nick Young

01-26-2016, 05:05 AM

You're a fool, because:

a) Curry right now is significantly better than Iverson ever was, and

b) Curry's supporting cast is far better than Iverson's was in '01.

Not saying the Warriors win it for sure, but it would be an extremely close series. Also, you're an idiot. Did I say that yet?
Warriors have no chance. MDE Shaq used to destroy double teams of Sabonis and Rasheed Wallace. He would average 45/20 at 70% vs Bogut and the Warriors soft ass front court.

On top of that, no one on the Warriors can guard 2001 Kobe.

I'd say this series would be 4-1 Lakers.

SuperPippen

01-26-2016, 05:16 AM

Warriors have no chance. MDE Shaq used to destroy double teams of Sabonis and Rasheed Wallace. He would average 45/20 at 70% vs Bogut and the Warriors soft ass front court.

On top of that, no one on the Warriors can guard 2001 Kobe.

I'd say this series would be 4-1 Lakers.

Curry outplays Kobe, simply because Curry right now is better than '01 Kobe (or Kobe from any other year, for that matter).

Shaq would feast on Bogut down low, no doubt, but then I don't see the rest of the Warriors, with their sublime chemistry, skill, and versatility, having much difficulty evening out the score.

They have like 6 players that are shooting at or above 40% from 3, for god's sake!! How do you stop that?

That '01 squad was garbage outside of Shaq/Kobe. Both teams have a shot.

Nick Young

01-26-2016, 05:19 AM

Curry outplays Kobe, simply because Curry right now is better than '01 Kobe (or Kobe from any other year, for that matter).

Shaq would feast on Bogut down low, no doubt, but then I don't see the rest of the Warriors, with their sublime chemistry, skill, and versatility, having much difficulty evening out the score.

They have like 6 players that are shooting at or above 40% from 3, for god's sake!! How do you stop that?

That '01 squad was garbage outside of Shaq/Kobe. Both teams have a shot.
Shaq regularly carried the Lakers on his back to victory vs many teams that were on paper were more talented than the Lakers, for example the Blazers, the Spurs and the Kings. Shaq-Kobe duo was just unstoppable.

Kobe prime could put the clamps on Curry. Not shut him down, but defend him well. No one on the Warriors can check Kobe or Shaq, let alone the Kobe-Shaq pick and roll.

Lebron23

01-26-2016, 05:24 AM

Curry outplays Kobe, simply because Curry right now is better than '01 Kobe (or Kobe from any other year, for that matter).

Shaq would feast on Bogut down low, no doubt, but then I don't see the rest of the Warriors, with their sublime chemistry, skill, and versatility, having much difficulty evening out the score.

They have like 6 players that are shooting at or above 40% from 3, for god's sake!! How do you stop that?

That '01 squad was garbage outside of Shaq/Kobe. Both teams have a shot.

Kobe was good in the 2001 NBA Season. He averaged 28.5 ppg in the regular season, and 29.4 ppg in the playoffs.

It's only in the finals that Kobe were very inefficient. He was being guarded by good defensive role players Mckie, and Snow.

I cannot believe that i defended Kobe Bryant. I am going to the Bathroom.

9erempiree

01-26-2016, 05:25 AM

THE Warriors win... Imagine Fisher trying to guard CUrry... :roll:

This Warrior team would expose shaq on pick and rolls worse than they did to LOVE...

Bro...Fisher was known as a defensive player who was very good at drawing charges.

Up until the season against the Pistons where he got killed.

SuperPippen

01-26-2016, 05:30 AM

Kobe was good in the 2001 NBA Season. He averaged 28.5 ppg in the regular season, and 29.4 ppg in the playoffs.

It's only in the finals that Kobe were very inefficient. He was being guarded by good defensive role players Mckie, and Snow.

I cannot believe that i defended Kobe Bryant. I am going to the Bathroom.

I'm aware of how great Kobe was in '01. He was a beast, and a top 5 player in a talented league. But, as crazy as it sounds, Curry this season is significantly better. That's just a testament to Curry's jaw-dropping, game-breaking level of play.

Smoke117

01-26-2016, 05:32 AM

That 2001 Laker team is overrated...they didn't beat one great team. The league was really weak in 2001.

AintNoSunshine

01-26-2016, 05:37 AM

LOL SINGLE COVERAGE? Good luck .

Kobe was a decent defender when he tries. Too bad he's too tired chucking 80% of the time.

SuperPippen

01-26-2016, 05:44 AM

Shaq regularly carried the Lakers on his back to victory vs many teams that were on paper were more talented than the Lakers, for example the Blazers, the Spurs and the Kings. Shaq-Kobe duo was just unstoppable.

Kobe prime could put the clamps on Curry. Not shut him down, but defend him well. No one on the Warriors can check Kobe or Shaq, let alone the Kobe-Shaq pick and roll.

Kobe's not even significantly slowing Curry down over the course of a whole series, man. Curry obliterates him just like he demolished Kawhi and every other top defender in this league. And even in the event that Kobe can slow Curry down (which he can't), who checks Klay, Draymond, or any of the other threats that GSW has?

You're right about a Shaq-Kobe PnR being nigh unstoppable, but the opposite is also true, to an even stronger degree: the Warriors' perfectly run sets and numerous shooting threats take the Lakers' completely by storm. Shaq was a notoriously poor team defender, he's not doing much to help. Fisher? :lol

This years Warriors are far better than any team the Lakers faced in the '01 playoffs. Far better. It's a close series with the Warriors coming out on top barring an extremely uncharacteristic cold shooting streak.

Nick Young

01-26-2016, 06:17 AM

I'm aware of how great Kobe was in '01. He was a beast, and a top 5 player in a talented league. But, as crazy as it sounds, Curry this season is significantly better. That's just a testament to Curry's jaw-dropping, game-breaking level of play.
No he isn't because Curry doesn't play defense and 2001 Kobe played elite defense while putting up his offensive numbers at the same time. Kobe was a game changer on both ends of the floor, Curry on only one.

Nick Young

01-26-2016, 06:20 AM

Kobe's not even significantly slowing Curry down over the course of a whole series, man. Curry obliterates him just like he demolished Kawhi and every other top defender in this league. And even in the event that Kobe can slow Curry down (which he can't), who checks Klay, Draymond, or any of the other threats that GSW has?

You're right about a Shaq-Kobe PnR being nigh unstoppable, but the opposite is also true, to an even stronger degree: the Warriors' perfectly run sets and numerous shooting threats take the Lakers' completely by storm. Shaq was a notoriously poor team defender, he's not doing much to help. Fisher? :lol

This years Warriors are far better than any team the Lakers faced in the '01 playoffs. Far better. It's a close series with the Warriors coming out on top barring an extremely uncharacteristic cold shooting streak.
Shaq getting 40 points a game at 70% and fouling out the Warriors front court is just more efficient than anything the warriors can do offensively. He would also dominate the offensive and defensive glass. He would just eat up every single miss. Shaq was not an elite defender but he was a great rim protector. Warriors will not be driving in to the lane at will with Shaq there.

In 2001 Fisher was a great defender. He wasn't always old slow grandpa fish.

Bandito

01-26-2016, 06:51 AM

Nobody stopping a healthy prime Shaq and a young Kobe.

Kobe_6/8

01-26-2016, 07:27 AM

Lakers. They were red hot that year...no way the Warriors are undefeated when the Finals start.

rzp

01-26-2016, 07:44 AM

LoL, Shaq used to play (and casually abused) frontcourts of DRob/TD, Sabonis/Sheed, Divac/Webber, Ben/Sheed, Mutombo, Hakeem, Ewing. Slaves of the moment, Shaq could average 40-50 pts on crazy fg% vs GSW. Let alone he would grab all fking rebounds (can u imagine Bogut boxing out Shaq? :lol , ya and its the best guy around to face him). Shaq would be a huge and ridiculous mismatch (more than normally in his days). The point is about if GSW can beat Shaq with pnr's and shooting 3's, because the paint has an owner.

sportjames23

01-26-2016, 07:50 AM

Shaq vs the Kings 2001 playoffs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW-4VSxCxFA

Mr Feeny

01-26-2016, 08:39 AM

You're a fool, because:

a) Curry right now is significantly better than Iverson ever was, and

b) Curry's supporting cast is far better than Iverson's was in '01.

Not saying the Warriors win it for sure, but it would be an extremely close series. Also, you're an idiot. Did I say that yet?

Warriors would cream them. Imagine all the open space with Shaq unable to defend the perimeter :lol
Not to mention that they could run pick and rolls all night long.

JohnFreeman

01-26-2016, 08:44 AM

Shaq vs the Kings 2001 playoffs:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kW-4VSxCxFA
Lakers v Kings

good times

kennethgriffin

01-26-2016, 09:36 AM

Sadly, in this era...it would be Bogut, then Ezeli, then Speights, and then J Thompson....sending Shaq parading to the FT line, where he might go 20-40 on a good night...

and then Curry, K Thompson, Green, Iguodala, Rush, and whoever else they send out there, going 20-40 from the arc.

when they did hackashaq. he actually got better momentarily at shooting ft's

he'd get his line drive rhythm going

then hes up to 60%

and hackashaq never works btw.. because even if a guy shoots 50% free throws making 1 out of 2 every time up the floor. its still basically the same as shooting 50% on field goals. since 1 out of every 2 shots is 2 points. and 2 out of every 4 free throws is 2 points

BIG FURB

01-26-2016, 10:48 AM

Shaq and Curry would both feast, no answer for either one on either team. Kobe would get his numbers, but against Iggy, Klay, Draymond and Barnes throughout an entire series he'll definitely be earning every single point (don't expect efficient scoring). Matter of fact I think he'd be baited into trying to match Curry's output to the detriment of the team. Can't pick a winner, but it would definitely go 7 games

SouBeachTalents

01-26-2016, 11:01 AM

Lakers. They were red hot that year...no way the Warriors are undefeated when the Finals start.

The '01 Lakers wouldn't go undefeated against the West this year either. No way in hell would they run the table against the Thunder/Clippers and especially the Spurs

Knoe Itawl

01-26-2016, 11:06 AM

SwayDizzle

01-26-2016, 11:11 AM

Kobe's man to man perimeter defense is only matched by Jordan's. We are talking greatest of all time man to man perimeter defense.

tpols

01-26-2016, 11:43 AM

LOL @ Kobe checking Curry. Kobe stans stay delusional. Kwahi >>> Kobe on defense and Curry toyed with him too. He'd EMBARASS Kobe. Then Kobe would try to go 2004 Pistons to prove his manhood which would play right into GS' hands.

GS 4-2

you're exposing yourself.. Kawhi is an amazing help defender, and rebounder, man defense excellent as well, but Kobe's m2m is => Kawhi's m2m.. quicker, more fluid, same reflexes instincts.. kawhi is stronger, which isnt really an asset vs curry.

rzp

01-26-2016, 11:44 AM

LOL @ Kobe checking Curry. Kobe stans stay delusional. Kwahi >>> Kobe on defense and Curry toyed with him too. He'd EMBARASS Kobe. Then Kobe would try to go 2004 Pistons to prove his manhood which would play right into GS' hands.

GS 4-2

No. Afro Kobe (as the guy said) was a better defender even than the prime one, because he was more committed to do it, and had to expend less energy offensively (didnt had to carry the team).

LAL in 6

rzp

01-26-2016, 11:46 AM

you're exposing yourself.. Kawhi is an amazing help defender, and rebounder, man defense excellent as well, but Kobe's m2m is => Kawhi's m2m.. quicker, more fluid, same reflexes instincts.. kawhi is stronger, which isnt really an asset vs curry.

Agreed, Kawhi is build to face players like LJ, PG, KD, etc. Cant do shit against smaller ones.

PickernRoller

01-26-2016, 12:03 PM

Lol, how is this even a question. Shaq down low and Kobe at the key.

It's over.

Magic 32

01-26-2016, 12:24 PM

LOL @ Kobe checking Curry. Kobe stans stay delusional. Kwahi >>> Kobe on defense and Curry toyed with him too. He'd EMBARASS Kobe. Then Kobe would try to go 2004 Pistons to prove his manhood which would play right into GS' hands.

GS 4-2

Your relevance evaporated 6 years ago.

Go and raise some haters for the best player in 15 years.