my NEW OFFICIAL top 100 players of all time ( better than ESPN? )

[kennethgriffin]

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2. Michael Jordan
3. Kobe Bryant
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Tim Duncan
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Wilt Chamberlain
11. LeBron James
12. Oscar Robertson
13. Jerry West
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Moses Malone
16. Julius Erving
17. George Mikan
18. Bob Pettit
19. Isiah Thomas
20. Kevin Garnett
21. Dirk Nowitzki
22. David Robinson
23. Karl Malone
24. Charles Barkley
25. Patrick Ewing
26. John Stockton
27. Dwyane Wade
28. Scottie Pippen
29. John Havlicek
30. Bob Cousy
31. Rick Barry
32. Clyde Drexler
33. Kevin Durant
34. Allen Iverson
35. Elvin Hayes
36. Dolph Schayes
37. Paul Arizin
38. Jason Kidd
39. Sam Jones
40. Gary Payton
41. Willis Reed
42. Bill Walton
43. Ray Allen
44. Paul Pierce
45. Chris Paul
46. Walt Frazier
47. Tony Parker
48. Stephen Curry
49. Robert Parish
50. Kevin McHale
51. Dominique Wilkins
52. George Gervin
53. Pete Maravich
54. Steve Nash
55. Hal Greer
56. Bill Sharman
57. Bob McAdoo
58. Tiny Archibald
59. Dennis Rodman
60. James Worthy
61. Spencer Haywood
62. Neil Johnston
63. Ed Macauley
64. Sidney Moncrief
65. Dave Cowens
66. Vern Mikkelsen
67. Slater Martin
68. Dikembe Mutombo
69. Shawn Kemp
70. Tracy McGrady
71. Vince Carter
72. Chris Bosh
73. Bob Lanier
74. Earl Monroe
75. Yao Ming
76. Alonzo Mourning
77. Tom Heinsohn
78. Alex English
79. Dave Bing
80. David Thompson
81. Grant Hill
82. Adrian Dantley
83. Reggie Miller
84. Nate Thurmond
85. Wes Unseld
86. Gail Goodrich
87. Jack Sikma
88. Mark Price
89. Chauncey Billups
90. Manu Ginobili
91. Dave DeBusschere
92. Pau Gasol
93. Tim Hardaway
94. Joe Dumars
95. Mitch Richmond
96. Artis Gilmore
97. Dennis Johnson
98. Chris Mullin
99. Bill Laimbeer
100. Bernard King

[Lebron23]

It's worst than ESPN.

[kennethgriffin]

It's worst than ESPN.


why? because lebron isnt #1,2 or 3?


hes around top 10 ... i think it depends on asterisks and both lebron and wilt have a ton


i can never decide between the 2 biggest failures of all time

[pauk]

1. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
2. Michael Jordan
3. Kobe Bryant - 5 championships, sidekick in most of his championships, 2 fmvp, 5/7 in Finals.
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Tim Duncan
8. Shaquille O'Neal
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Wilt Chamberlain
11. LeBron James
12. Oscar Robertson
13. Jerry West
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Moses Malone
16. Julius Erving
17. George Mikan
18. Bob Pettit
19. Isiah Thomas
20. Kevin Garnett
21. Dirk Nowitzki
22. David Robinson
23. Karl Malone
24. Charles Barkley
25. Patrick Ewing
26. John Stockton
27. Dwyane Wade
28. Scottie Pippen
29. John Havlicek - 8 championships, sidekick in most of his championships, 1 fmvp, 8/8 in Finals.


By Kobetard all-time criteria you are ordered to switch those two.

[Lebron23]

why? because lebron isnt #1,2 or 3?


hes around top 10 ... i think it depends on asterisks and both lebron and wilt have a ton


i can never decide between the 2 biggest failures of all time


Because Kobe only have 2 Finals MVP, and 1 NBA MVP. And he's also the worst finals performer among the top 10 players of all time.

[Bankaii]

Stopped taking it serious after seeing #1.

Lost a few IQ points and stopped reading after seeing #3.

Kobe has 0 argument for top 5. Not at all.

[Lebron23]

By Kobetard all-time criteria you are ordered to switch those two.


Kobetarded logic. Never go full Kobetard.

[SaltyMeatballs]

Rolled my eyes when I saw Jordan at #2

Immediately clicked the reply button when I saw Kobe at #3

**** your shitty list.

[kennethgriffin]

By Kobetard all-time criteria you are ordered to switch those two.


havlicek never won a league mvp



and that was during the player vote era


do you have any clue how many mvps kobe would have if the players voted

:oldlol:


havlicek is an all time great. but he played on stacked celtic teams

[Lebron23]

Stopped taking it serious after seeing #1.

Lost a few IQ points after seeing #3.

Kobe has 0 argument for top 5. Not at all.


This lists sucks. It looks like a retarded grown man started this thread. And Gasol > Bosh.

The underrating of his teammates is sickening.

[kennethgriffin]

Rolled my eyes when I saw Jordan at #2

Immediately clicked the reply button when I saw Kobe at #3

**** your shitty list.


kareem was better

hense the better career

[TripleA]

Why is Isiah Thomas 19? That's what surprised me the most.

[Bankaii]

Why is Isiah Thomas 19.
That's the most pressing question you have of this list?:oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

Why is Isiah Thomas 19.


because hes the only small PG to carry a team to multiple titles in a respectable era.... ( which should have been 3 straight since the refs blew it on the last call in regulation for game 6 of the finals )


zeke is underrated

[LAZERUSS]

ESPN's selection process...

http://librarylink.regent.edu/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/drawing.jpg

[TripleA]

That's the most pressing question you have of this list?:oldlol:
Well I know the rest is bias but I'm actually surprised why he put him over the 9 players who I think are better or have a case.

[kennethgriffin]

Well I know the rest is bias but I'm actually surprised why he put him over the 9 players who I think are better or have a case.


zeke was 1 call away from carrying his team to a 3-peat


watch the 3rd quarter of game 6 in 1988 where thomas played on 1 leg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzgNoqHib78

[Lebron23]

havlicek never won a league mvp



and that was during the player vote era


do you have any clue how many mvps kobe would have if the players voted

:oldlol:


havlicek is an all time great. but he played on stacked celtic teams


Because Russell was his teammate. Same reason why Kobe failed to win an MVP and Finals MVP when Shaq played for the Lakers.

They were the most valuable players of their teams, and not a sidekick.

[tmacattack33]

:roll:

I thought Kobe fans were going to jump on the Curry bandwagon.

I guess they're going to just stick with Kobe and their delusions :confusedshrug:

[kennethgriffin]

Because Russell was his teammate. Same reason why Kobe failed to win an MVP and Finals MVP when Shaq played for the Lakers.

They were the most valuable players of their teams, and not a sidekick.


and if kobe never left shaq to win multiple fmvps and league mvps on his own to validate his rings while also being the leagues best player for atleast most of the decade...... then he'd be left in the same position as havlicek


but havlicek only won 1 fmvp... and was never the leagues best player...

[LAZERUSS]

ESPN's selection committee...

http://thethoughtsofasimpleman.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/blind-leading-the-blind.jpg

[Lebron23]

Rolled my eyes when I saw Jordan at #2

Immediately clicked the reply button when I saw Kobe at #3

**** your shitty list.


This list sucks. I might not agree with the ESPN Lists, but at least they provided some logic and explanations.

LeBron is a top 10 player of all time. You can put him anywhere from number 7 to 9. And he has some good arguments from the other players. And his career is not yet finished unlike Kobe Bryant.

[kennethgriffin]

:roll:

I thought Kobe fans were going to jump on the Curry bandwagon.

I guess they're going to just stick with Kobe and their delusions :confusedshrug:


i'm a raptors/lakers fan who likes kobe/wiggins and supports curry


i'm in no way enamoured with the guy


i just know hes better than bran is right now and that doesnt take much biased homerism

[kennethgriffin]

This list sucks. I might not agree with the ESPN Lists, but at least they provided some logic and explanations.

LeBron is a top 10 player of all time. You can put him anywhere from number 7 to 9. And he has some good arguments from the other players. And his career is not yet finished unlike Kobe Bryant.


you know the general public has lebron lower than where i put him

http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-top-nba-players-of-all-time?



and ISH voted lebron exactly where i have him right now. and he hasnt won shit since that vote. infact hes only added 2 finals losses to it

[SouBeachTalents]

you know the general public has lebron lower than where i put him

http://www.ranker.com/crowdranked-list/the-top-nba-players-of-all-time?



and ISH voted lebron exactly where i have him right now. and he hasnt won shit since that vote. infact hes only added 2 finals losses to it

That's not true, that vote was done in 2012. He added another MVP, Finals MVP, and had a 27 game win streak/66 win season

[Lebron23]

and if kobe never left shaq to win multiple fmvps and league mvps on his own to validate his rings while also being the leagues best player for atleast most of the decade...... then he'd be left in the same position as havlicek


but havlicek only won 1 fmvp... and was never the leagues best player...


Havlicek carried that Celtics team after Bill Russell retired. He could have been a 3x NBA Finals MVP.

He was the real 1969 NBA Finals MVP when West won it. And He was the Celtics best player in the 1968 NBA Finals.

[kennethgriffin]

That's not true, that vote was done in 2012. He added another MVP, Finals MVP, and had a 27 game win streak/66 win season

even if you were right ( and you're not... since i'm refering to a more recent poll on here )

that would still leave lebron with 2 titles vs hakeems 2 and wilts 2


and how do we do tie breakers?


well lebron ring chased, colluded, cheated, got bailed out by ray allen, played with more hall of famers than those other 2 guys. and hes a quitting little bitch ass ****** saboteur that ****ed over 2011 and 2016

so no.. hes not top 10 you punk ass ******

shut the **** up already about lebron

hes a ****ing laughing stock right now... get over it


EXPOSED by heat ownership as a back stabbing prick

gets the 2nd best coach in the nba fired so his buddy can run things

gets top draft pick rookies traded for stretch 4 three point role players

quits and runs at every sign of adversity


hes finished... 2 for 7 coming up

[JohnFreeman]

Kobe at 3 :roll:

[Lebronxrings]

this might be the worst list i've ever seen. Number 3 gave me cancer

[SpaceJam]

Ehh I don't see Kevin Love on your list OP

Can't take it seriously

[tmacattack33]

i'm a raptors/lakers fan who likes kobe/wiggins and supports curry


i'm in no way enamoured with the guy


i just know hes better than bran is right now and that doesnt take much biased homerism

I didn't even mention Lebron.

LOL.

[LAZERUSS]

ESPN's heavily researched methods in determining this list...

http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/02433/Serbian_Lottery_sc_2433211n.jpg

[kennethgriffin]

this might be the worst list i've ever seen. Number 3 gave me cancer


#1 all time in Guard scoring ( 33k points )
#1 all time in first team all nbas ( 11 )
#1 all time in defensive first teams ( 9 )
#1 all time in allstar game starts ( 18 to 2nd best Jordans 13 )
#1 all time in allstar game mvps ( 4 )
#1 all time in 50+ win teams beatin ( 24 )
#1 all time in game winning shots ( 36 )
#1 all time in 3 pointers made in a game ( 12 )
#2 all time in points scored in a game ( 81 )
#2 all time in consecutive 50 point games ( 4 )
#2 all time in 60 point games ( 5 )
#2 all time in 30 point games ( 427 )
#3 all time in 40 point games ( 119 )
#3 all time in 50 pint games ( 24 )
#3 all time in overall scoring ( 33k points )

2000 NBA title averaging 21/5/5 in the playoffs ( saved wcf gm 7, finals gm 4 )
2001 NBA title averaging 29/7/6 in the playoffs ( 33ppg vs WC, 15-1 record )
2002 NBA title averaging 27/6/5 in the playoffs ( 27/6/5 finals average )
2009 NBA title averaging 30/5/5 in the playoffs ( Finals MVP )
2010 NBA title averaging 29/5/6 in the playoffs ( Finals MVP )



3rd all time

[Marchesk]

You have Hakeem over Wilt. Explain yourself.

[LAZERUSS]

You have Hakeem over Wilt. Explain yourself.


...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__DVKTyrXW4c/TMcVw5JtNWI/AAAAAAAAAeM/Lw9GQT9f4M8/s1600/corrupcao-620-size-598.jpg

[Lebron23]

Kobe at 3 :roll:



this might be the worst list i've ever seen. Number 3 gave me cancer

This

ESPN >>>>>>>> this garbage.

[Young X]

Oscar and KG basically had the same type of career. It doesn't make sense for them to be 8 spots apart.

[kennethgriffin]

You have Hakeem over Wilt. Explain yourself.


hakeem won 2 legit alpha rings while dominating the finals

averaging 27ppg in 1994
and 33ppg in 1995


wilt won 2 iffy rings while averaging

17ppg in the 1967 finals ( 9ppg less than teammate hal greer at 26ppg )
and 19ppg in the 1972 finals ( 7 less ppg than teammate gail goodrich at 26ppg )



wilts constant lesser play when it matters most while hakeem thrived is why hakeems 2 titles are much more valuable... especially the 1994 title in which hakeem had nobody



wilt basically has a couple of 2000 kobe bryant 21 year old rings... and unlike kobe he has no excuse

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What were the official ESPN rankings?

Anybody have their Top 15-20? :confusedshrug:

[kennethgriffin]

Oscar and KG basically had the same type of career. It doesn't make sense for them to be 8 spots apart.


well when you play in an era where the celtics have 6-7 HOF'rs at a time hogging all the rings. guys like west/baylor/oscar get somewhat of a pass


KG on the other hand played in a much more even era and only managed a 3rd option ring

atleast oscars was 2nd option

[Young X]

well when you play in an era where the celtics have 6-7 HOF'rs at a time hogging all the rings. guys like west/baylor/oscar get somewhat of a pass


KG on the other hand played in a much more even era and only managed a 3rd option ring

atleast oscars was 2nd optionLeading the team in the shot attempts for the regular season and playoffs, leading the Celtics in playoff scoring = 3rd option?

And that's not even taking into account the defensive side of the court where he anchored one of the greatest defenses of all time.

He was easily a top 5 player, maybe top 3 player and an MVP candidate that season.

[SouBeachTalents]

hakeem won 2 legit alpha rings while dominating the finals

averaging 27ppg in 1994
and 33ppg in 1995


wilt won 2 iffy rings while averaging

17ppg in the 1967 finals ( 9ppg less than teammate hal greer at 26ppg )
and 19ppg in the 1972 finals ( 7 less ppg than teammate gail goodrich at 26ppg )



wilts constant lesser play when it matters most while hakeem thrived is why hakeems 2 titles are much more valuable... especially the 1994 title in which hakeem had nobody



wilt basically has a couple of 2000 kobe bryant 21 year old rings... and unlike kobe he has no excuse

So are we discrediting all of Kobe's titles with Shaq then?

And just smh at this post. Deeming Wilt's '67 title as "iffy" and putting it on par with '00 Kobe is the epitome of stupidity. Wilt's '67 season is better than any of Kobe's, and is easily a top 5 single season of all time

[Spaulding]

Lebron is a greater player than Hakeem.

[sportjames23]

Rolled my eyes when I saw Jordan at #2

Immediately clicked the reply button when I saw Kobe at #3

**** your shitty list.


This.

[Lebron23]

Lebron is a greater player than Hakeem.


And Kobe Bryant. Hakeem is top 10 or 11. His team was eliminated 8x in the first round of the playoffs.

[kennethgriffin]

So are we discrediting all of Kobe's titles with Shaq then?

And just smh at this post. Deeming Wilt's '67 title as "iffy" and putting it on par with '00 Kobe is the epitome of stupidity. Wilt's '67 season is better than any of Kobe's, and is easily a top 5 single season of all time


no because the finals were in the west during the kobe/shaq era

the real finals WAS the finals for wilt

kobe dominated the toughest series when games were tight and hackashaq was going on... then in the cakewalks shaq didnt have much pressure on him and he could dominate


thats why kobe deserves his first 3.


- portland
- sanantonio
- sacramento

>>>>>>

- indiana
- philly
- jersey

[kennethgriffin]

Lebron is a greater player than Hakeem.


in the regular season? yeah ok


but wilt is a greater player than jordan in the regular season