How did Spo not lose his job coaching LeBrawn?

[CavaliersFTW]

Wade, LeBrawn, and Bosh and a stacked supporting cast yet their first season they fail to win the ship. He keeps his coaching job still somehow. Then they lose again 2 seasons later and Spo is still at the helm.

Did Spo have dirt on LeBrawn or something? How did they end up with such an uneasy truce considering LeBrawn clearly didn't respect him?

[1987_Lakers]

Because Pat Riley ran shit in Miami, not LeBron.

[Milbuck]

Thick dick Riley wasn't having none of that shit. Spo was his guy and Lebron was just noise.

[SpaceJam]

http://espn.go.com/photo/2007/0307/nba_g_riley_268.jpg

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Pat Riley.

Dude wasn't going to take shit from LeBron, and practically said as much.

Anybody have the video/article where Shaq thought he could run Riles' practice, and almost knocked out Pat for putting him in his place? F*cking hilarious :lol

[sportjames23]

Riley Da Gawdfatha that's why.

[Harison]

Because Pat Riley ran shit in Miami, not LeBron.
+1

[jongib369]

Wade, LeBrawn, and Bosh and a stacked supporting cast yet their first season they fail to win the ship. He keeps his coaching job still somehow. Then they lose again 2 seasons later and Spo is still at the helm.

Did Spo have dirt on LeBrawn or something? How did they end up with such an uneasy truce considering LeBrawn clearly didn't respect him?

Riley doesn't bend over backwards?

:confusedshrug:

[plowking]

Spo deserves to lose his job right now. Unfortunately he probably won't.

[Bosnian Sajo]

It's so obvious to every person that posted in your thread OP, did you really not know that Pat Riley is in charge in Miami?



The don, the godfather, you ain't ****in with the man who coached Magic, Kareem, Ewing, Shaq, and Wade. Played alongside Wilt, Baylor, Jerry West, Gail Goodrich, and won an NBA title with them. Get real.

[9erempiree]

Blatt was brought in, to rebuild the team. Lebron came back and now he is pressure to win. I believe the Cavs feel their window of opportunity is closing since Lebron isn't getting any younger. To bring in more talent means they need more time to become a cohesive team. The pressure is huge to bring Cleveland a championship.

Different situation in Miami because Lebron was going to someone's team. He didn't have much to say. With Cleveland, he is their best player in franchise history, arguably, because I would take Mark Price, Nance and Daugherty over him, in terms of the face of the franchise's history.

I don't think people are joking when they say Lebron is running the team. Danny Ferry was under pressure to bring in players to help Lebron. We know how that went...Lebron left.

Now that he's won his rings in Miami...I really don't think he cares to bring a ring to Cleveland. It's important to him but he won't lose any sleep over it.

Also, at the time the big 3 didn't like Spo but they also didn't want Riley coaching them. If they thought Spo was tough...Riley is even tougher. I'm sure Wade informed Lebron about this.

[1987_Lakers]

Blatt was brought in, to rebuild the team. Lebron came back and now he is pressure to win. I believe the Cavs feel their window of opportunity is closing since Lebron isn't getting any younger. To bring in more talent means they need more time to become a cohesive team. The pressure is huge to bring Cleveland a championship.

Different situation in Miami because Lebron was going to someone's team. He didn't have much to say. With Cleveland, he is their best player in franchise history, arguably, because I would take Mark Price, Nance and Daugherty over him, in terms of the face of the franchise's history.

I don't think people are joking when they say Lebron is running the team. Danny Ferry was under pressure to bring in players to help Lebron. We know how that went...Lebron left.

Now that he's won his rings in Miami...I really don't think he cares to bring a ring to Cleveland. It's important to him but he won't lose any sleep over it.

Also, at the time the big 3 didn't like Spo but they also didn't want Riley coaching them. If they thought Spo was tough...Riley is even tougher. I'm sure Wade informed Lebron about this.

lol

[aj1987]

Pat Riley.

Dude wasn't going to take shit from LeBron, and practically said as much.

Anybody have the video/article where Shaq thought he could run Riles' practice, and almost knocked out Pat for putting him in his place? F*cking hilarious :lol
This is Shaq's version of the incident, so take it with a grain of salt.


My ticket out of Miami was punched in mid-February 2008. There was a lot of tension between Pat and the players. So we're about to start practice and Jason Williams comes in about ten seconds late. Pat being Pat, he starts swearing at him and screaming, "Get the hell out of here!"...
I tell Pat we're a team and we need to stick together, not throw guys out of the gym. Pat is screaming at me and says if I don't like it, then I should get the hell out of practice, too.
That's when I said, "Why don't you make me?"
I start taking a couple of steps towards Pat. Udonis Haslem steps in and I shove him out of the way. Then Zo tries to grab me. I threw him aside like he was a rag doll. Now it's me and Riley face-to-face, jaw to jaw. I'm poking him in the chest and he keeps slapping my finger away and it's getting nasty. Noisy, too. He's yelling "**** you!" and I'm yelling back, "No, **** you!"
Zo is trying to calm us both down and he has this kind of singsong panic in his voice. He keeps saying, "Big fella, no big fella, big fella!" I finally turn around and tell him, "Don't worry, I'm not going to hit the man. Do you think I'm crazy?"

http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/shaq-recounts-his-almost-physical-fight-with-pat-riley-in-new-autobiography-6522268

[bobopenguin]

because father pat made lebron his b*tch.

[AirFederer]

Pat Riley.

Dude wasn't going to take shit from LeBron, and practically said as much.

Anybody have the video/article where Shaq thought he could run Riles' practice, and almost knocked out Pat for putting him in his place? F*cking hilarious :lol

I have to use this gif here :lol

https://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr02/2013/4/2/5/anigif_enhanced-buzz-1289-1364895187-2.gif

[9erempiree]

This is Shaq's version of the incident, so take it with a grain of salt.



http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/shaq-recounts-his-almost-physical-fight-with-pat-riley-in-new-autobiography-6522268

Pat being Pat.:facepalm

[DoctorP]

Legendary. ****ing legendary.

[brooks_thompson]

lol

Literal lol for me. That is the most intelligent, classiest troll comment I've ever read on here. 10/10. Truly fantastic.

[DCL]

spo, the former towel boy / bench gatorade passer / video coordinator who became a head coach in the nba... in terms of ranking on a coaching staff, he was like the 15th or 20th man, bottom of the pack. his credentials were anything but solid. shit, some random nameless posters here may had been more qualified than him.

blatt, on the other hand, at least had a very solid resume and record of basketball coaching success.

but spo was the unlikely one who survived, even thrived, and won championships.

[RepMe]

Riley just has more balls than anybody in Cleveland.

[plowking]

spo, the former towel boy / bench gatorade passer / video coordinator who became a head coach in the nba... in terms of ranking on a coaching staff, he was like the 15th or 20th man, bottom of the pack. his credentials were anything but solid. shit, some random nameless posters here may had been more qualified than him.

blatt, on the other hand, at least had a very solid resume and record of basketball coaching success.

but spo was the unlikely one who survived, even thrived, and won championships.

Blatt is 10 times the coach Spo is. I'd take him on the Heat right now.

[SpaceJam]

spo, the former towel boy / bench gatorade passer / video coordinator who became a head coach in the nba... in terms of ranking on a coaching staff, he was like the 15th or 20th man, bottom of the pack. his credentials were anything but solid. shit, some random nameless posters here may had been more qualified than him.

blatt, on the other hand, at least had a very solid resume and record of basketball coaching success.

but spo was the unlikely one who survived, even thrived, and won championships.

ESPN Films presents 30 FOR 30: The Spo Show

[PJR]

Blatt is 10 times the coach Spo is. I'd take him on the Heat right now.

You sound pretty stupid right now. Hope you aren't serious.

[keep-itreal]

ESPN Films presents 30 FOR 30: The Spo Show
:oldlol:

[plowking]

You sound pretty stupid right now. Hope you aren't serious.

Are we seriously debating whether Blatt is a better coach than Spo?

Spo cannot run an offense to save his life.

[SoCalMike]

Because Pat Riley ran shit in Miami, not LeBron.

this....



:pimp:

[PJR]

Are we seriously debating whether Blatt is a better coach than Spo?

Spo cannot run an offense to save his life.

You were serious?

Okay. Because Heat in 2013 didn't post one of the highest true shooting percetanges of all time as a team.


The facts and data almost never support Spo hating "Heat fans".

Just glad Micky Arison or Pat Riley never listen to "fans"

[VengefulAngel]

You were serious?

Okay. Because Heat in 2013 didn't post one of the highest true shooting percetanges of all time as a team.


The facts and data almost never support Spo hating "Heat fans".

Just glad Micky Arison or Pat Riley never listen to "fans"

I agree that it's ridiculous to say that Blatt is greater than Spoelstra, but I hope you do realise that there are many coaches in the NBA I would take over Spo right now.

[plowking]

You were serious?

Okay. Because Heat in 2013 didn't post one of the highest true shooting percetanges of all time as a team.


The facts and data almost never support Spo hating "Heat fans".

Just glad Micky Arison or Pat Riley never listen to "fans"


Why can't he come close to replicating the free flowing offense we once had? How is it that Pop, Carlisle, etc can have some of the smoothest running, and best looking offenses regardless of the team they have?

Shooting percentages are great and all, but aren't we up there in efficiency as far as offenses go this year as well? How has that worked out for us? We're ranked 22nd in terms of offensive efficiency overall this season, and we were in the same spot last season. Outside of a season where LeBron James was in the team, Spo hasn't ever been in the top 15 for offensive efficiency.

Our team is literally stacked with offensive weapons right now, and we're 22nd in offensive efficiency. A team with Wade, Bosh, Green, Whiteside, etc... Charlotte is ahead of us...

[r15mohd]

Also, at the time the big 3 didn't like Spo but they also didn't want Riley coaching them. If they thought Spo was tough...Riley is even tougher. I'm sure Wade informed Lebron about this.

they weren't concerned about the toughness - moreso the right leadership in place to lead them. Spo was not the best fit for the Big3 in Miami - regardless of their 2/4 record in the Finals - he was OK, and really, majority of coaches would be in the same position had they been dealt this trio. the talent was overly glaring.

to be completely dominant like the Bulls or even Shaq's Lakers - you need that mastermind on the bench. and that's what Miami lacked right through. Spo had his troubles through the season, but that moment when Spo indicated Wade should be the go-to and Lebron be the facilitator against the Mavs in the Finals, you knew it had to be taken upon the players to adjust rather than the coach to make the right decision - hence Wade taking the back seat to Lebron that same offseason and things more aligning themselves.

the 1a/1b bullsh!t would never amount to anything had it continued - and whether that be a Spo or Spo/Riley idea - it was stupid!

[PJR]

I agree that it's ridiculous to say that Blatt is greater than Spoelstra, but I hope you do realise that there are many coaches in the NBA I would take over Spo right now.

That's nice. I didn't ask though.



Why can't he come close to replicating the free flowing offense we once had?

Because the Heat have little to no three point shooting. That's a roster issue, not a coaching one.

Smarten up.

[f0und]

spo's ceiling as a coach is just "solid". but most of the time, he sucks *ss. give me blatt anyday.

the reason why spo didnt get fired is because nobody makes riley's decisions for him.

[plowking]

That's nice. I didn't ask though.




Because the Heat have little to no three point shooting. That's a roster issue, not a coaching one.

Smarten up.

He is the coach, is he not?

He is the one that asks for pieces; the pieces he needs to run his offense. Did you think maybe he didn't come up with the offense and that it was more of a fruition of the players at the time of the big three, and not Spo?

He has made no attempts to even go after a 3 point specialist or someone who can knock down shots. In fact, he has gotten rid of some of our better 3 point shooters, and brought in average ones.

[Wade's Rings]

Pat Riley.

Dude wasn't going to take shit from LeBron, and practically said as much.

Anybody have the video/article where Shaq thought he could run Riles' practice, and almost knocked out Pat for putting him in his place? F*cking hilarious :lol

http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_basketball_heat/2011/10/excerpt-the-day-shaquille-oneal-went-after-pat-riley.html

[PJR]

He is the coach, is he not?

He is the one that asks for pieces; the pieces he needs to run his offense. Did you think maybe he didn't come up with the offense and that it was more of a fruition of the players at the time of the big three, and not Spo?

He has made no attempts to even go after a 3 point specialist or someone who can knock down shots. In fact, he has gotten rid of some of our better 3 point shooters, and brought in average ones.



Riley is the GM. Spoelstra is the coach.


If you have an issue with the Heat not having shooting, take it up with Riley. Spo is simply coaching what's on the roster.

And if you're going to hit me with absurd speculation like "Maybe it was the players who came up with the offense", then its obvious you're not up for an intelligent discussion.

Because LeBron LOVES playing power forward, and Chris Bosh loves playing center, right? :rolleyes:

[r15mohd]

He is the coach, is he not?

He is the one that asks for pieces; the pieces he needs to run his offense. Did you think maybe he didn't come up with the offense and that it was more of a fruition of the players at the time of the big three, and not Spo?

He has made no attempts to even go after a 3 point specialist or someone who can knock down shots. In fact, he has gotten rid of some of our better 3 point shooters, and brought in average ones.


Riley is the ultimate decider on who is being signed up - Spo can only coach what he's provided. So regardless of what Spo might want, Riley chooses them accordingly - now does Spo have input on this, pretty sure he is and I'm sure both Riley and Spo agree to who's being contracted to make the Heat roster.

[Dresta]

they weren't concerned about the toughness - moreso the right leadership in place to lead them. Spo was not the best fit for the Big3 in Miami - regardless of their 2/4 record in the Finals - he was OK, and really, majority of coaches would be in the same position had they been dealt this trio. the talent was overly glaring.

to be completely dominant like the Bulls or even Shaq's Lakers - you need that mastermind on the bench. and that's what Miami lacked right through. Spo had his troubles through the season, but that moment when Spo indicated Wade should be the go-to and Lebron be the facilitator against the Mavs in the Finals, you knew it had to be taken upon the players to adjust rather than the coach to make the right decision - hence Wade taking the back seat to Lebron that same offseason and things more aligning themselves.

the 1a/1b bullsh!t would never amount to anything had it continued - and whether that be a Spo or Spo/Riley idea - it was stupid!
That is the biggest load of revisionist bullshit i've ever heard. It worked just fine the first three rounds, and Wade outscored him against Boston with no problems (a series in which they were both dominant); Miami lost the finals in 2011 because LeBron did not show up at all, period. Enough with this nonsense; no one stopped Lebron from taking the initiative other than Lebron himself, who had a deer-in-the-headlights look of fear on his face for most of the series.

When Bron checked in with the Heat up a bunch in the 4th of game 2, he started trying to statpad, did his typical ball-pounding routine, and destroyed Miami's offensive flow (while being a turnstyle on defense). When Lebron went invisible for all of game 4 was that Spo's fault too?

You are pathetic. Are you one of Pauk's alts posing as a Miami fan or something?

[r15mohd]

That is the biggest load of revisionist bullshit i've ever heard. It worked just fine the first three rounds, and Wade outscored him against Boston with no problems (a series in which they were both dominant); Miami lost the finals in 2011 because LeBron did not show up at all, period. Enough with this nonsense; no one stopped Lebron from taking the initiative other than Lebron himself, who had a deer-in-the-headlights look of fear on his face for most of the series.

When Bron checked in with the Heat up a bunch in the 4th of game 2, he started trying to statpad, did his typical ball-pounding routine, and destroyed Miami's offensive flow (while being a turnstyle on defense). When Lebron went invisible for all of game 4 was that Spo's fault too?


it was 1a/1b up until the Finals, actually more so lebron being the 1st option than it being 1a/1b but Wade did have his shines (as you mentioned more in the Bos series) and lebron remained aggressive through it as well - the deer in the headlights analogy doesnt work because it doesnt fit the bill, this wasn't Lebron's first time in the Finals or on a big stage.

there's no explanation for it other than a strategy change - shit Spo even spoke to it and how they saw if Wade was given the green light and Lebron facilitated to that strength (which turned out to be lack thereof) it would be the best route in defeating the Mavs. it wasn't an ill-conceived notion, the Mavs did not have Caron and Wade was no under-performing SG either. whether it be all agreed upon to give Wade his last hooray or what have you, it didn't work - nothing explains being status quo for 3qtrs from Lebron and then going shy in the 4th other than that.

Lebron is still the reason the Heat lost - no one says otherwise, but it all starts with the direction and to omit that is stupid. Lebron shouldn't have sat back and let that prevent a championship in 2011 - the Mavs were not better than the Bulls in which the Heat had previously dominated, don't care what hot streak Dirk was on, as the Bulls had way better defense to combat the Heat than did the Mavs.




You are pathetic. Are you one of Pauk's alts posing as a Miami fan or something?

and of course - an alt mention or some other deflection is always thrown when their a$$ hurts from a comment :facepalm

[DoctorP]

Heat offense still sucks. Heat resorted to hero ball last night and won. Luckily.... Nets.

[Nick Young]

Our team is literally stacked with offensive weapons right now, and we're 22nd in offensive efficiency. A team with Wade, Bosh, Green, Whiteside, etc... Charlotte is ahead of us...
Your delusion is the problem. Old Wade and Old Bosh are not elite offensive weapons anymore.

They are more akin to Brooklyn Nets KG and Joe Johnson.

[RepMe]

And now we know: Riley is all powerful.

[BlazerRed]

Because Spo has a bigger dick than Lesmall.

[jrong]

they weren't concerned about the toughness - moreso the right leadership in place to lead them. Spo was not the best fit for the Big3 in Miami - regardless of their 2/4 record in the Finals - he was OK, and really, majority of coaches would be in the same position had they been dealt this trio. the talent was overly glaring.

to be completely dominant like the Bulls or even Shaq's Lakers - you need that mastermind on the bench. and that's what Miami lacked right through. Spo had his troubles through the season, but that moment when Spo indicated Wade should be the go-to and Lebron be the facilitator against the Mavs in the Finals, you knew it had to be taken upon the players to adjust rather than the coach to make the right decision - hence Wade taking the back seat to Lebron that same offseason and things more aligning themselves.

the 1a/1b bullsh!t would never amount to anything had it continued - and whether that be a Spo or Spo/Riley idea - it was stupid!

Dresta already called you out on this nonsense, but I have to get in here too. The Heat weren't even 1a/1b in 2011. They were 1 ab/1ba. James had better slightly better per game stats during the season, but Wade had better per 36 numbers and was the leading scorer in more games that they both played.

And in the playoffs, Wade was just better overall, period, though the Finals was when he overtook James. But, basically for the first two rounds, they alternated roles. Against the Sixers, James had slightly better numbers, but Wade closed. Against the Celtics, that was reversed.

Each had a bad series, but Wade made clutch plays in three of their four wins in the ECFs, whereas LeBron in the Finals... well, the world watched.

Now, as to the notion that Spo determined the pecking order in the Finals... please. What happened was Wade shifted into Finals mode, and his all-out aggression seemed to unnerve James. But, after Wade closed Game 1, James was still trying to be the man in the 4th quarter of Game 2 when Wade was sitting on 36 with a 15 point lead. He went 0 - 4, and the Heat choked the game away. It was only after Game 2 that he became legitimately deferential. If Spo had told him to facilitate, James wouldn't have taken the ball out of Wade's hands in Game 2 (and the Heat probably would have won).

"The 1a/1b bullshit" as you put it would have worked to perfection if LBJ could have supported Wade in the Finals the way Wade supported him in the ECFs. And the thing is, the team would have still transitioned to LeBron's control the following year anyway, because although Wade initially deferred because of James' inability to share an offense, he eventually sustained injuries later in 2012 that marked the beginning of the end of his prime. If LeBron could have just been a good soldier in 2011, he'd have more rings, while Wade's legacy as an all-time-great would be secure and Wade fans wouldn't resent him.

Your facts are also incorrect about when and how Wade "took the back seat." The Heat began 2012 just like 2011 in a 1ab/1ba structure. The Wade got hurt for 10 games and watched the team go 9 -1 without him. At this point, Wade and Wade alone made the decision to step back because, as he said at the time, he had experience functioning as both a star and co-star while James had only ever been the star. Translation: Wade was capable of leading or following. James could only lead.

[aj1987]

Your delusion is the problem. Old Wade and Old Bosh are not elite offensive weapons anymore.

They are more akin to Brooklyn Nets KG and Joe Johnson.
:facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

[r15mohd]

Riley did control the decisions - anyone who knows basketball knows this of him with the Heat, he was the decision maker and no one player could test that. see Mourning and no being re-signed, tho he was fully loved by Miami.

the decision to ride out with Spo is double edged - 2/4 is great, no one doubts that - but had a better coach been put in place, could we still be seeing Lebron in a Heat uniform and possibly at least a 3/4 record or more? :confusedshrug:

I'm sure Lebron was aware of that when asking for Spo's job - and what's wrong with the best player in the league at the time questioning the FO's motive for the team? - mind you he just came from a FO that fed him shitty situations with the Cavs, and tho Riley was head honcho it's not out of this world to question Spo's role. full circle and it's the same with Blatt - Blatt's a descent coach, but the Cavs and Lebron are in a win-now mode and it's not 5yrs ago when Lebron was peaking - he's steadily losing ground

[kamil]

How did Spo not lose his job coaching LeBrawn?

Because Spo wasn't the problem:

http://i.imgur.com/crmaI4F.jpg

[Dresta]

it was 1a/1b up until the Finals, actually more so lebron being the 1st option than it being 1a/1b but Wade did have his shines (as you mentioned more in the Bos series) and lebron remained aggressive through it as well - the deer in the headlights analogy doesnt work because it doesnt fit the bill, this wasn't Lebron's first time in the Finals or on a big stage.

there's no explanation for it other than a strategy change - shit Spo even spoke to it and how they saw if Wade was given the green light and Lebron facilitated to that strength (which turned out to be lack thereof) it would be the best route in defeating the Mavs. it wasn't an ill-conceived notion, the Mavs did not have Caron and Wade was no under-performing SG either. whether it be all agreed upon to give Wade his last hooray or what have you, it didn't work - nothing explains being status quo for 3qtrs from Lebron and then going shy in the 4th other than that.

Lebron is still the reason the Heat lost - no one says otherwise, but it all starts with the direction and to omit that is stupid. Lebron shouldn't have sat back and let that prevent a championship in 2011 - the Mavs were not better than the Bulls in which the Heat had previously dominated, don't care what hot streak Dirk was on, as the Bulls had way better defense to combat the Heat than did the Mavs.


There is a very clear and obvious explanation, one given to you quite clearly by jrong (not to mention Lebron being visibly shaken, and yes suffering from the pressure in the first finals he was expected to win). The pressure between 2007 and 2011 are completely incomparable, and he played like red-hot garbage in the 07 finals also (can't blame Wade or Spo for that one).

On the other hand, there is no reason to think Miami would suddenly switch tactics after cruising through the first 3 rounds of the playoffs (and beating two very good teams in the process).

Nor is there any logical explanation for why you would keep peddling and pushing this so-obviously false narrative unless your opinions are simply the delusions of a brain-sick Lebron fanatic. Something that becomes more and more evident every time you post.

[aj1987]

There is a very clear and obvious explanation, one given to you quite clearly by jrong (not to mention Lebron being visibly shaken, and yes suffering from the pressure in the first finals he was expected to win). The pressure between 2007 and 2011 are completely incomparable, and he played like red-hot garbage in the 07 finals also (can't blame Wade or Spo for that one).

On the other hand, there is no reason to think Miami would suddenly switch tactics after cruising through the first 3 rounds of the playoffs (and beating two very good teams in the process).

Nor is there any logical explanation for why you would keep peddling and pushing this so-obviously false narrative unless your opinions are simply the delusions of a brain-sick Lebron fanatic. Something that becomes more and more evident every time you post.
Dude is a LeBron stan pretending to be a Heat fan. I don't understand his Riley dick slurping though.

[Draz]

Wade was the Captain. He wouldn't let that shit happen

[Dragonyeuw]

Spo is a Riley guy, as said 50 times before on this thread. And I'm guessing that part of why Lebron left, is because he didn't have the same level of control in Miami that he does in Cleveland.

[Wade's Rings]

Dresta already called you out on this nonsense, but I have to get in here too. The Heat weren't even 1a/1b in 2011. They were 1 ab/1ba. James had better slightly better per game stats during the season, but Wade had better per 36 numbers and was the leading scorer in more games that they both played.

And in the playoffs, Wade was just better overall, period, though the Finals was when he overtook James. But, basically for the first two rounds, they alternated roles. Against the Sixers, James had slightly better numbers, but Wade closed. Against the Celtics, that was reversed.

Each had a bad series, but Wade made clutch plays in three of their four wins in the ECFs, whereas LeBron in the Finals... well, the world watched.

Now, as to the notion that Spo determined the pecking order in the Finals... please. What happened was Wade shifted into Finals mode, and his all-out aggression seemed to unnerve James. But, after Wade closed Game 1, James was still trying to be the man in the 4th quarter of Game 2 when Wade was sitting on 36 with a 15 point lead. He went 0 - 4, and the Heat choked the game away. It was only after Game 2 that he became legitimately deferential. If Spo had told him to facilitate, James wouldn't have taken the ball out of Wade's hands in Game 2 (and the Heat probably would have won).

"The 1a/1b bullshit" as you put it would have worked to perfection if LBJ could have supported Wade in the Finals the way Wade supported him in the ECFs. And the thing is, the team would have still transitioned to LeBron's control the following year anyway, because although Wade initially deferred because of James' inability to share an offense, he eventually sustained injuries later in 2012 that marked the beginning of the end of his prime. If LeBron could have just been a good soldier in 2011, he'd have more rings, while Wade's legacy as an all-time-great would be secure and Wade fans wouldn't resent him.

Your facts are also incorrect about when and how Wade "took the back seat." The Heat began 2012 just like 2011 in a 1ab/1ba structure. The Wade got hurt for 10 games and watched the team go 9 -1 without him. At this point, Wade and Wade alone made the decision to step back because, as he said at the time, he had experience functioning as both a star and co-star while James had only ever been the star. Translation: Wade was capable of leading or following. James could only lead.

:applause:

[Akhenaten]

but that moment when Spo indicated Wade should be the go-to and Lebron be the facilitator against the Mavs in the Finals,

When the heck was this? Spo never so much as INTIMATED there being a pecking order, you're completely fabricating nonsense right now. In fact it was Wade's deference in Game 3 that led to us losing that game. I dont know what happened in that huddle during the timeout after Wade hit that corner three to put us up 15 but the very next offensive possession he was standing idly in the corner and Lebron was running high screen roll, they did this for 3 consecutive possessions. It was VERY strange to watch, in my estimation it was always very apparent that Wade/Riley and the organization tried to make sure Lebron was "the man". They knew if he felt marginalized in anyway he would check out and they took special care to be sensitive to that and it cost us that game.



you knew it had to be taken upon the players to adjust rather than the coach to make the right decision - hence Wade taking the back seat to Lebron that same offseason and things more aligning themselves.

Wade kinda sold that narrative, if Wade was still physically capable he'd a been avg his usual 25 ppg, granted he didnt run as much middle screen roll as he did in 11 and played a bit more off the ball but it wasnt a seismic shift in approach. The Heat by all rights should have swept the Mavs playing 1A/1B ball so the criticism of that particular epoch in Heat history is not warranted. If BRAWN doesnt COMPLETELY check out in 2011 we threepeat.


the 1a/1b bullsh!t would never amount to anything had it continued - and whether that be a Spo or Spo/Riley idea - it was stupid!

You're probably right cause Lebron would have sabotaged it, I honestly believe Lebron purposely checked out after Game 3 when it was trending towards Wade winning FMVP and especially after Wade berated him.

Dude is literally behaves live an entitled woman..LITERALLY, so glad he's gone.

[Dragonyeuw]

Dresta already called you out on this nonsense, but I have to get in here too. The Heat weren't even 1a/1b in 2011. They were 1 ab/1ba. James had better slightly better per game stats during the season, but Wade had better per 36 numbers and was the leading scorer in more games that they both played.

And in the playoffs, Wade was just better overall, period, though the Finals was when he overtook James. But, basically for the first two rounds, they alternated roles. Against the Sixers, James had slightly better numbers, but Wade closed. Against the Celtics, that was reversed.

Each had a bad series, but Wade made clutch plays in three of their four wins in the ECFs, whereas LeBron in the Finals... well, the world watched.

Now, as to the notion that Spo determined the pecking order in the Finals... please. What happened was Wade shifted into Finals mode, and his all-out aggression seemed to unnerve James. But, after Wade closed Game 1, James was still trying to be the man in the 4th quarter of Game 2 when Wade was sitting on 36 with a 15 point lead. He went 0 - 4, and the Heat choked the game away. It was only after Game 2 that he became legitimately deferential. If Spo had told him to facilitate, James wouldn't have taken the ball out of Wade's hands in Game 2 (and the Heat probably would have won).

"The 1a/1b bullshit" as you put it would have worked to perfection if LBJ could have supported Wade in the Finals the way Wade supported him in the ECFs. And the thing is, the team would have still transitioned to LeBron's control the following year anyway, because although Wade initially deferred because of James' inability to share an offense, he eventually sustained injuries later in 2012 that marked the beginning of the end of his prime. If LeBron could have just been a good soldier in 2011, he'd have more rings, while Wade's legacy as an all-time-great would be secure and Wade fans wouldn't resent him.

Your facts are also incorrect about when and how Wade "took the back seat." The Heat began 2012 just like 2011 in a 1ab/1ba structure. The Wade got hurt for 10 games and watched the team go 9 -1 without him. At this point, Wade and Wade alone made the decision to step back because, as he said at the time, he had experience functioning as both a star and co-star while James had only ever been the star. Translation: Wade was capable of leading or following. James could only lead.

Damn.

[Wade's Rings]

When the heck was this? Spo never so much as INTIMATED there being a pecking order, you're completely fabricating nonsense right now. In fact it was Wade's deference in Game 3 that led to us losing that game. I dont know what happened in that huddle during the timeout after Wade hit that corner three to put us up 15 but the very next offensive possession he was standing idly in the corner and Lebron was running high screen roll, they did this for 3 consecutive possessions. It was VERY strange to watch, in my estimation it was always very apparent that Wade/Riley and the organization tried to make sure Lebron was "the man". They knew if he felt marginalized in anyway he would check out and they took special care to be sensitive to that and it cost us that game.




Wade kinda sold that narrative, if Wade was still physically capable he'd a been avg his usual 25 ppg, granted he didnt run as much middle screen roll as he did in 11 and played a bit more off the ball but it wasnt a seismic shift in approach. The Heat by all rights should have swept the Mavs playing 1A/1B ball so the criticism of that particular epoch in Heat history is not warranted. If BRAWN doesnt COMPLETELY check out in 2011 we threepeat.



You're probably right cause Lebron would have sabotaged it, I honestly believe Lebron purposely checked out after Game 3 when it was trending towards Wade winning FMVP and especially after Wade berated him.

Dude is literally behaves live an entitled woman..LITERALLY, so glad he's gone.

:roll:

[Optimus Prime]

Alpha Dog Pat Riley didn't flinch when faced with this passive aggressive LeBeta nonsense. LeBeta bowed down to the alpha and turned tail and ran when the ring gravy train came to a stop.

:kobe:

http://apps.startribune.com/blogs/user_images/randmid_1284153161_riley.jpg

[PP34Deuce]

Spo is a Riley guy, as said 50 times before on this thread. And I'm guessing that part of why Lebron left, is because he didn't have the same level of control in Miami that he does in Cleveland.

I really believe he planned on leaving MIA anyway. He's got a huge ego, if he brings a championship to Cleveland... He owns that city. If he can bring 2 championships, it won't be long before this guy has ownership in the Cavaliers.

He's a business man and people hate him but he truly approaches the game as a business. You can't have Warren Buffet, Jay Z, Dr. Dre and people like that in your ears and not be a shark.

[CavaliersFTW]

I really believe he planned on leaving MIA anyway. He's got a huge ego, if he brings a championship to Cleveland... He owns that city. If he can bring 2 championships, it won't be long before this guy has ownership in the Cavaliers.

He's a business man and people hate him but he truly approaches the game as a business. You can't have Warren Buffet, Jay Z, Dr. Dre and people like that in your ears and not be a shark.
:kobe:

So he DELIBERATELY told millions of fans around the world "not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6 not 7 championships in Miami" knowing full well he'd never stay there?

Under that narrative this guy is a ruthless megalomaniac who cares about no one

[riseagainst]

Dresta already called you out on this nonsense, but I have to get in here too. The Heat weren't even 1a/1b in 2011. They were 1 ab/1ba. James had better slightly better per game stats during the season, but Wade had better per 36 numbers and was the leading scorer in more games that they both played.

And in the playoffs, Wade was just better overall, period, though the Finals was when he overtook James. But, basically for the first two rounds, they alternated roles. Against the Sixers, James had slightly better numbers, but Wade closed. Against the Celtics, that was reversed.

Each had a bad series, but Wade made clutch plays in three of their four wins in the ECFs, whereas LeBron in the Finals... well, the world watched.

Now, as to the notion that Spo determined the pecking order in the Finals... please. What happened was Wade shifted into Finals mode, and his all-out aggression seemed to unnerve James. But, after Wade closed Game 1, James was still trying to be the man in the 4th quarter of Game 2 when Wade was sitting on 36 with a 15 point lead. He went 0 - 4, and the Heat choked the game away. It was only after Game 2 that he became legitimately deferential. If Spo had told him to facilitate, James wouldn't have taken the ball out of Wade's hands in Game 2 (and the Heat probably would have won).

"The 1a/1b bullshit" as you put it would have worked to perfection if LBJ could have supported Wade in the Finals the way Wade supported him in the ECFs. And the thing is, the team would have still transitioned to LeBron's control the following year anyway, because although Wade initially deferred because of James' inability to share an offense, he eventually sustained injuries later in 2012 that marked the beginning of the end of his prime. If LeBron could have just been a good soldier in 2011, he'd have more rings, while Wade's legacy as an all-time-great would be secure and Wade fans wouldn't resent him.

Your facts are also incorrect about when and how Wade "took the back seat." The Heat began 2012 just like 2011 in a 1ab/1ba structure. The Wade got hurt for 10 games and watched the team go 9 -1 without him. At this point, Wade and Wade alone made the decision to step back because, as he said at the time, he had experience functioning as both a star and co-star while James had only ever been the star. Translation: Wade was capable of leading or following. James could only lead.


jesus....

:lol
:roll:

:applause:

[PP34Deuce]

:kobe:

So he DELIBERATELY told millions of fans around the world "not 3 not 4 not 5 not 6 not 7 championships in Miami" knowing full well he'd never stay there?

Under that narrative this guy is a ruthless megalomaniac who cares about no one

Sounds like marketing. It was stupid thing to say but people get caught in the moment. How often do we as men talk to a girl we may have liked only to brush her off at the next opportunity.