You thought Curry had an off game?

[Mr. Jabbar]

Think again!

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GOAT off the ball player!



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[Im Still Ballin]

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Spice Dingo Curry

[warriorfan]

Alpha Mandingo Curry keeping it hung as a mother fuccer

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[Akrazotile]

Think again!

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GOAT off the ball player!



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You like the plus-minus stat, do you OP?

[SpaceJam]

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[Marchesk]

Big D.I.K. +42

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[TommyGriffin]

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[Mr. Jabbar]

Like Golden State, the Kobe/Curry family is such a well oiled machine, just impresive guys. Fkn proud of y'all

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[Heavincent]

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[TheImmortal]

Lord Curry

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[SuperPippen]

:bowdown: Curry, senior partner in the Curry/Kobe fam.

[Lebron23]

4/11 doe

[warriorfan]

4/11 doe

why you posting your height?

this thread is about curry

[Marchesk]

4/11 doe

Gotta admit, it's an improvement on 0/11.

[dhsilv]

You have a serious mental issue...nobody thought he had an off game. he was great tonight....did you watch the game?

[Akrazotile]

ALL-TIME, CAREER PLUS/MINUS:

1. Lebron James - 9.17
2. Michael Jordan - 8.09

...

11. Steph Curry - 5.75

...

30. Larry Nance - 4.18
31. Alvin Robertson - 4.0
32. Kobe Bryant - 3.96




http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/bpm_career.html



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[WorldWarriors]

You have a serious mental issue...nobody thought he had an off game. he was great tonight....did you watch the game? He had an off shooting night. Klay
was hot so he didn't force it. He had 9 assists 2 steals and a blocked shot. So he definitely impacted the game. Great time to be a Warriors fan. Lord knows we've had enough misery.:oldlol:

[warriorfan]

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/bpm_career.html



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That isn't even Plus Minus, that is BPM.

Box Plus/Minus (BPM) is a box score-based metric for evaluating basketball players

Fuccing idiot. :roll:

[Funktion]

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/individual-player-plus-minus-statistics/2015/

[Akrazotile]

That isn't even Plus Minus, that is BPM.

Box Plus/Minus (BPM) is a box score-based metric for evaluating basketball players

Fuccing idiot. :roll:


LOL sick dodge.


Bron. Stays. #Winning.

[Gus Hemmingway]

LOL sick dodge.


Bron. Stays. #Winning.


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[3ball]

That isn't even Plus Minus, that is BPM.

Box Plus/Minus (BPM) is a box score-based metric for evaluating basketball players

Fuccing idiot. :roll:


According to box +/-

Chris Paul > Magic and kareem

Ginobili > Shaq

andre kirelinko > shaq and hakeem

larry nance > kobe

and on

and on

and on

and on


Otoh, looking at A COMBINATION of regular stats tells a more accurate story - like, find someone that averages 5-10 ppg more on better efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12091979&postcount=30) and they'll ALWAYS be the much better player

[3ball]

.
Here's a list of all the play-types listed on NBA.com, with the percentile rank that 1.00 PPP equates to in each category (the lower the percentile rank, the more efficient the play - as you can see, 1.00 PPP translates to the 65.2 percentile for "off-screen", and the 81.5 percentile for "isolations", so "off-screen" is more efficient):


1) Cut (http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/cut/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=Points): 19.2 percentile

2) Roll man on screen-rolls (http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/roll-man/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=Points): 46.1 percentile

3) Off-screen (http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/off-screen/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=Points): 65.2 percentile

4) Spot-ups (http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/spot-up/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=Points): 63.3 percentile

5) Hand-offs (http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/hand-off/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=Points): 71.4 percentile

6) Isolations (http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/isolation/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=Points): 81.5 percentile

7) Post-ups (http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/post-up/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive): 86.2 percentile

8) Ballhandler on screen-rolls (http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/ball-handler/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=Points): 94.6 percentile



HERE'S HOW THIS RELATES TO CURRY'S SUPERIORITY

The least efficient play shown above (ballhandler on screen rolls) constitutes 20-25% of the offense for top wings like Lebron, with another 20-25% coming from similarly low efficient isolations.. Essentially, the top wing players in the league use low efficiency ball-dominance over 50% of the time.

Point guards ALSO use the least efficient options - they're the ballhandler on screen rolls for 40% to 60% of their offense.

But the exception is Steph Curry.. He's the ballhandler on screen-rolls for only 24.2% of his offense and only isolates 10% of the time.. He simply employs the higher efficiency OFF-BALL options more often than his peers.. This is contributes to his superior efficiency.

His off-ball offense not only makes him more efficeint, but this gives teammates more opportunity/time with the ball to be comfortable and play their game..

Unlike Lebron, teammates aren't starved of the ball and don't have to subjugate their game to the whim of the #1 option.. Ultimately, Curry is better because his off-ball play makes him more efficient, while giving his team more capacity to reach a higher level of teamwork and superior play.

[poido123]

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[aj1987]

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Here's a list of all the play-types listed on NBA.com, with the percentile rank that 1.00 PPP equates to in each category (the lower the percentile rank, the more efficient the play - as you can see, 1.00 PPP translates to the 65.2 percentile for "off-screen", and the 81.5 percentile for "isolations", so "off-screen" is more efficient):


1) Cut (http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/cut/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=Points): 19.2 percentile

2) Roll man on screen-rolls (http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/roll-man/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=Points): 46.1 percentile

3) Off-screen (http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/off-screen/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=Points): 65.2 percentile

4) Spot-ups (http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/spot-up/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=Points): 63.3 percentile

5) Hand-offs (http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/hand-off/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=Points): 71.4 percentile

6) Isolations (http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/isolation/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=Points): 81.5 percentile

7) Post-ups (http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/post-up/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive): 86.2 percentile

8) Ballhandler on screen-rolls (http://stats.nba.com/playtype/#!/ball-handler/?dir=1&PT=player&OD=offensive&sort=Points): 94.6 percentile



HERE'S HOW THIS RELATES TO CURRY'S SUPERIORITY

The least efficient play shown above (ballhandler on screen rolls) constitutes 20-25% of the offense for top wings like Lebron, with another 20-25% coming from similarly low efficient isolations.. Essentially, the top wing players in the league use low efficiency ball-dominance over 50% of the time.

Point guards ALSO use the least efficient options - they're the ballhandler on screen rolls for 40% to 60% of their offense.

But the exception is Steph Curry.. He's the ballhandler on screen-rolls for only 24.2% of his offense and only isolates 10% of the time.. He simply employs the higher efficiency OFF-BALL options more often than his peers.. This is contributes to his superior efficiency.

His off-ball offense not only makes him more efficeint, but this gives teammates more opportunity/time with the ball to be comfortable and play their game..

Unlike Lebron, teammates aren't starved of the ball and don't have to subjugate their game to the whim of the #1 option.. Ultimately, Curry is better because his off-ball play makes him more efficient, while giving his team more capacity to reach a higher level of teamwork and superior play.
Or maybe he's the greatest shooter EVER and draws more defensive attention than peak MJ?

Do you have a SINGLE post on here not mentioning either LeBron or MJ?

[3ball]

Or maybe he's the greatest shooter EVER and draws more defensive attention than peak MJ?

Do you have a SINGLE post on here not mentioning either LeBron or MJ?
:rolleyes: ... as usual, i post facts, and you post opinion.

Curry will never come close to Jordan, because he'll never be the best offensive player in the league for 10 straight seasons (87'-93', 96'-98'), while also being the best defender at his position - Curry will NEVER come close to these things - this is Curry's FIRST season as the league's best offensive player... and of course - Curry was never double-teamed like MJ - MJ is the most double-teamed player ever (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210)

btw, everyone in this forum worships 2000 prime Shaq and agrees that he was extremely dominant - but as the stats show (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12088374&postcount=10), 34/35 year old MJ scored a far higher proportion of his team's points in 1997 and 1998 than prime Shaq did in 2000.

If that doesn't let you know the different animal that MJ was, then nothing will.. (Shaq got twice the rebs and blk, but MJ got twice the assists and stls, so we're left with the aforementioned scoring)..

[aj1987]

:rolleyes: ... as usual, i post facts, and you post opinion.

Curry will never come close to Jordan, because he'll never be the best offensive player in the league for 10 straight seasons (87'-93', 96'-98'), while also being the best defender at his position - Curry will NEVER come close to these things.

btw, everyone in this forum worships 2000 prime Shaq and agrees that he was extremely dominant - but as the stats show (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12088374&postcount=10), 34/35 year old MJ scored a far higher proportion of his team's points in 1997 and 1998 than prime Shaq did in 2000.

If that doesn't let you know the different animal that MJ was, then nothing will.. (Shaq got twice the rebs and blk, but MJ got twice the assists and stls)..

Yeah, pure "facts". :roll: :roll:

[3ball]

Yeah, pure "facts".


here's a fact - this is Curry's FIRST season as the league's leading scorer - he has 9 more to go to match MJ.

he'll never do it - that's a fact.... and he'll never be the best defender at his position for even 1 season let alone the entire 10 seasons as scoring champ like MJ.

and btw, Curry was never double-teamed like MJ - MJ is the most double-teamed player ever (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) - MORE than 2000 Shaq:

everyone in this forum worships 2000 prime Shaq and agrees that he was extremely dominant - but as the stats show (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12088374&postcount=10), 34/35 year old MJ scored a far higher proportion of his team's points in 1997 and 1998 than prime Shaq did in 2000... so there's more facts for that ass

Old MJ was more dominant than prime Shaq - that shows how GOAT Jordan was.. (btw, Shaq got twice the rebs and blk, but MJ got twice the assists and stls, so we're left with the aforementioned scoring)..

[aj1987]

here's a fact - this is Curry's FIRST season as the league's leading scorer - he has 9 more to go to match MJ.

he'll never do it - that's a fact.... and he'll never be the best defender at his position for even 1 season let alone the entire 10 seasons as scoring champ like MJ.

and btw, Curry was never double-teamed like MJ - MJ is the most double-teamed player ever (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=386210) - MORE than 2000 Shaq:

everyone in this forum worships 2000 prime Shaq and agrees that he was extremely dominant - but as the stats show (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12088374&postcount=10), 34/35 year old MJ scored a far higher proportion of his team's points in 1997 and 1998 than prime Shaq did in 2000... so there's more facts for that ass

Old MJ was more dominant than prime Shaq - that shows how GOAT Jordan was.. (btw, Shaq got twice the rebs and blk, but MJ got twice the assists and stls, so we're left with the aforementioned scoring)..
What does any of that have to do with:

Or maybe he's the greatest shooter EVER and draws more defensive attention than peak MJ?

Curry is arguably having the GOAT offensive season. Better than ANY of MJ's.

Why are you even bringing up Shaq? Also, just because you make up random shit doesn't make them FACTS. You should go watch the '06 Heat PO's. Shaq was doubled more than MJ ever was. This was a past him prime Shaq.

Still waiting on that video you promised, retard.

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[warriorfan]

According to box +/-

Chris Paul > Magic and kareem

Ginobili > Shaq

andre kirelinko > shaq and hakeem

larry nance > kobe

and on

and on

and on

and on


Otoh, looking at A COMBINATION of regular stats tells a more accurate story - like, find someone that averages 5-10 ppg more on better efficiency (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12091979&postcount=30) and they'll ALWAYS be the much better player

Yes I agree. It is an awful statistic.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Curry > Jordan confirmed.

[Clifton]

Curry had an off-game.

The fact that he was able to be on the floor while Klay Thompson hit every shot he threw up does not mean he personally had a good game.

However, he's on a great team, that is great at least in part because he's on it. It's okay if he has an off-game. If he's missing, he doesn't need to go 5-24 like Kobe and Tmac used to do. He can have one or more of his teammates pick up the slack.

That's not a knock on Curry at all. But he did have an off-game.

[Prime_Shaq]

Curry had an off-game.

The fact that he was able to be on the floor while Klay Thompson hit every shot he threw up does not mean he personally had a good game.

However, he's on a great team, that is great at least in part because he's on it. It's okay if he has an off-game. If he's missing, he doesn't need to go 5-24 like Kobe and Tmac used to do. He can have one or more of his teammates pick up the slack.

That's not a knock on Curry at all. But he did have an off-game.
Off shooting game maybe, he still had impact in other ways.

[riseagainst]

Akrazotile melting down.

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