Lebron 2012 NBA Season

[Lebron23]

NBA Finals MVP
NBA MVP
Olympic Gold Medalist

28/8/6 on 53.1 FG% in the regular season
30/10/6/2 on 50 FG% in the playoffs. (Defeated Melo, Amare, George, Garnett, Pierce, Allen, Rondo, Harden, Durant, and Westbrook in the post season).

http://www.nbadunks.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/lebron-james-finals-mvp.jpg

http://cdn.sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/lebron-james-2012-trophies-3.jpg

[Young X]

I think this was possibly the most important season for any NBA player ever. What I mean is this might've been the biggest difference maker for a player's "legacy". I'm not sure that a player needed a season to happen like Lebron needed 2012.

He's coming off the embarrassing way the 2011 season ended. One of the most hated public figures in the world. He was a complete joke/punchline at the time. The hate people (shit, even me at times) had for him was unreal.

He answers back with an MVP, Ring, FMVP, Gold Medal, some of the most impressive performances of his career and he instantly becomes respected literally overnight. His legacy gets cemented the moment Miami hosts the trophy after game 5. It's unbelievable what rings can do. Dirk in 2011 and Jordan in 1991, Hakeem in 1994 are also other examples.

[warriorfan]

NBA Finals MVP
NBA MVP

25/15/2/1/2 50% FG
26/16/2/2/2 53% FG (Playoffs)

[Lebron23]

NBA Finals MVP
NBA MVP

25/15/2/1/2 50% FG
26/16/2/2/2 53% FG (Playoffs)


Is that Hakeem Olajuwon?

[3ball]

He answers back with an MVP, Ring, FMVP, Gold Medal, some of the most impressive performances of his career and he instantly becomes respected literally overnight. His legacy gets cemented the moment Miami hosts the trophy after game 5. It's unbelievable what rings can do. Dirk in 2011 and Jordan in 1991, Hakeem in 1994 are also other examples.


Gimme a f'in break.

All he did in 2012 was what he was SUPPOSED to do in 2011, with the most stacked team in the league.

He couldn't build a lottery team into a champion like MJ and Bird did, so he colluded to play with the best talent - literally - that's what he did.

Those will ALWAYS be the facts, so I'll never be impressed with his 2/4 in Miami, and there's a huge swathe of rational people who feel the same, so he'll never be revered like past players..
.

[Gileraracer]

Thanks Eastern Conference :applause:

[warriorfan]

Is that Hakeem Olajuwon?

Moses

[3ball]

Btw, unlike Lebron, who needed to collude to win, Jordan DID build a lottery team into champions.

In 1989, his 47-win Bulls would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without Jordan's 33/8/8/54... So that 1989 roster WAS a lottery roster...

And without MJ, they would've been lottery heading into 1990 season, instead of ECF veterans and 1 season away from starting 3-peat, with the SAME lottery roster from 1989 (the same team).

[Lebron23]

Turning a LeBron thread into a Jordan Thread. Typical 3balls posting.

[Lebron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnURmgs0seg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOAzOfmHrOM

[ShawkFactory]

I think this was possibly the most important season for any NBA player ever. What I mean is this might've been the biggest difference maker for a player's "legacy". I'm not sure that a player needed a season to happen like Lebron needed 2012.

He's coming off the embarrassing way the 2011 season ended. One of the most hated public figures in the world. He was a complete joke/punchline at the time. The hate people (shit, even me at times) had for him was unreal.

He answers back with an MVP, Ring, FMVP, Gold Medal, some of the most impressive performances of his career and he instantly becomes respected literally overnight. His legacy gets cemented the moment Miami hosts the trophy after game 5. It's unbelievable what rings can do. Dirk in 2011 and Jordan in 1991, Hakeem in 1994 are also other examples.
:applause:

Definitely one of the biggest statements and legacy-savers of all time.

[RepMe]

And it has already begun: LeBron fans living in the past like Kobe fans.

[VengefulAngel]

And it has already begun: LeBron fans living in the past like Kobe fans.

Lebron is still top 5 in WS/48, PER, VORP and any other stats you can throw at me, I think he'll be fine.

[Odinn]

NBA season but counting Olympics Gold Medal?

[tmacattack33]

Gimme a f'in break.

All he did in 2012 was what he was SUPPOSED to do in 2011, with the most stacked team in the league.

He couldn't build a lottery team into a champion like MJ and Bird did, so he colluded to play with the best talent - literally - that's what he did.

Those will ALWAYS be the facts, so I'll never be impressed with his 2/4 in Miami, and there's a huge swathe of rational people who feel the same, so he'll never be revered like past players..
.

Sorry, but you are completely forgetting or ignoring the fact that Chris Bosh was out for two rounds of those playoffs and not 100% during those Finals.

So, no. Lebron was not SUPPOSED to win that year. As soon as Bosh went down during the Indiana series, it was believed to be over...especially since Indiana had a good frontcourt.

It was also supposed to be over against the Celtics with no Bosh.

And then again, in the Finals, the Thunder were on fire and the Heat were the underdogs.

[stalkerforlife]

Easy to do when you stack a team in the weakest conference in NBA history.

And the NBA allows you to stiff-arm and bull-rush into defenders.

[StrongLurk]

Sorry, but you are completely forgetting or ignoring the fact that Chris Bosh was out for two rounds of those playoffs and not 100% during those Finals.

So, no. Lebron was not SUPPOSED to win that year. As soon as Bosh went down during the Indiana series, it was believed to be over...especially since Indiana had a good frontcourt.

It was also supposed to be over against the Celtics with no Bosh.

And then again, in the Finals, the Thunder were on fire and the Heat were the underdogs.

Solid, all-around ether here.

[ShawkFactory]

Easy to do when you stack a team in the weakest conference in NBA history.

And the NBA allows you to stiff-arm and bull-rush into defenders.
:sleeping

[Lebron23]

Sorry, but you are completely forgetting or ignoring the fact that Chris Bosh was out for two rounds of those playoffs and not 100% during those Finals.

So, no. Lebron was not SUPPOSED to win that year. As soon as Bosh went down during the Indiana series, it was believed to be over...especially since Indiana had a good frontcourt.

It was also supposed to be over against the Celtics with no Bosh.

And then again, in the Finals, the Thunder were on fire and the Heat were the underdogs.


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[SouBeachTalents]

I think this was possibly the most important season for any NBA player ever. What I mean is this might've been the biggest difference maker for a player's "legacy". I'm not sure that a player needed a season to happen like Lebron needed 2012.

He's coming off the embarrassing way the 2011 season ended. One of the most hated public figures in the world. He was a complete joke/punchline at the time. The hate people (shit, even me at times) had for him was unreal.

He answers back with an MVP, Ring, FMVP, Gold Medal, some of the most impressive performances of his career and he instantly becomes respected literally overnight. His legacy gets cemented the moment Miami hosts the trophy after game 5. It's unbelievable what rings can do. Dirk in 2011 and Jordan in 1991, Hakeem in 1994 are also other examples.

:applause: Perfectly stated. Not even his biggest hater could detract from LeBron's 2012 playoff run. He had some truly insane performances

Down 2-1 in Indy, puts up a 40-18-9, imo the most underrated game of his career

Down 3-2 in Boston, one of the GOAT performances, an absolute clinic; 45-15-5, could have easily dropped 50+ had the game been competitive

Closed out the Finals 1 rebound shy of back to back triple doubles in Games 4 & 5

[JebronLames]

Was also the first season wade's knees started bothering him in the playoffs.

Bosh goes down
Wade unexpectedly inconsistent due to knees
Most of the world rooting against you
Had to play against the best defense in the league (Celtics)
Durant Westbrook harden ibaka

Inspirational

[plowking]

I still don't truly appreciate those playoff numbers like I probably should.

For me, it comes off much like Blake Griffin when he puts up a 37/12/6 type game. All I can think is "Oh, he played upto his standard"...

30/10/6 for Bron? Cool. I expect that every single night.

[3ball]

Easy to do when you stack a team in the weakest conference in NBA history.

And the NBA allows you to stiff-arm and bull-rush into defenders.


^^^^ Exactly... And it doesn't even compare to MJ's runs at 34/35 years old:


..Percentages of team points + assists - turnovers while player was on floor


........................ PO.....PO 4th...Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 40.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 51.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 53.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 48.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
JORDAN 1998... 38.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 52.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 41.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 52.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

LEBRON 2012... 39.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 31.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 34.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
LEBRON 2013... 38.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 45.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 51.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 46.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)



Old man Jordan was more dominant during his last 2 championship runs, than prime Lebron was during his only 2


(btw, the math works out correctly - for instance, if a team has 5 assists and 5 TO's in the 4th quarter, and Lebron has 1 assist and 1 TO, then he had 20% of his team's assists and 20% of their TO's, so it's a wash)


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[tmacattack33]

:applause: Perfectly stated. Not even his biggest hater could detract from LeBron's 2012 playoff run. He had some truly insane performances

Down 2-1 in Indy, puts up a 40-18-9, imo the most underrated game of his career

Down 3-2 in Boston, one of the GOAT performances, an absolute clinic; 45-15-5, could have easily dropped 50+ had the game been competitive

Closed out the Finals 1 rebound shy of back to back triple doubles in Games 4 & 5

Yep. This is why Larry Bird said that he had never seen somebody do so much in a playoff run.

MJ stans like just simplify stuff and lump everything together and say "he colluded with Wade and Bosh...so two rings out of 4 years isn't even that impressive". And 90% of them completely ignore that he didn't have Bosh in 2012.

And 90% of them also ignore the fact that 2014 Wade and Bosh were well past their primes, as proven by what Miami did in 2015 and what they are doing right now in 2016.

[imnew09]

Yea playing along with Prime Wade and Bosh is so hard for Lebron to get layups and dunks.

[3ball]

Yep. This is why Larry Bird said that he had never seen somebody do so much in a playoff run.



Larry Bird's has a short memory, like most people - MJ literally did 50% more when it comes to the proportion of his team's points, assists and turnovers:


..Percentages of team points + assists - turnovers while player was on floor


........................ PO.....PO 4th...Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 40.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 51.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 53.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 48.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
JORDAN 1998... 38.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 52.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 41.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 52.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

LEBRON 2012... 39.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 31.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 34.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)





MJ stans like just simplify stuff and lump everything together and say "he colluded with Wade and Bosh...so two rings out of 4 years isn't even that impressive".


Jordan stans don't lump anything together - Lebron DID collude to play with Wade and Bosh...

That makes his 2/4 not impressive, since any other top player could collude to play with the league's best talent and go 2/4 as well.

and even if he had never colluded, 2/4 falls far short of MJ's standard

[CTbasketball92]

Gimme a f'in break.

All he did in 2012 was what he was SUPPOSED to do in 2011, with the most stacked team in the league.

He couldn't build a lottery team into a champion like MJ and Bird did, so he colluded to play with the best talent - literally - that's what he did.

Those will ALWAYS be the facts, so I'll never be impressed with his 2/4 in Miami, and there's a huge swathe of rational people who feel the same, so he'll never be revered like past players..
.


I like your posts , but why can't you just give credit where its due? LeBron has more or less done the best he can and dominated the league for about 9 years now. He had a team with zero all stars win 66 games. Even if he did play against the west, that probably still means 55+ wins in the western conference. Larry Bird had like four hall of famers on his team in his prime. MJ had the best rebounder ever and Scottie Pippen, the only player in the league that could possibly guard him. MJ is great, Bird is great ... LeBron is also inarguably great. Lebron hasn't won less than 50 games since he was 21. Put LeBron on any team in any era and they're probably going to the second round at least. You can mention tough defenses, but its balanced out by the fact that he is more athletic than any player to ever play for all intents and purposes. He'd've been an all time great without a championship, but he has two and two fmvps against great teams. Period. Second highest PER ever, with only MJ ahead and Shaq just behind. Coincidence? I think not. Three best players to build your team around ever. Most dominant players ever.

[Lebron23]

Larry Bird > Your Opinion.

[CTbasketball92]

Larry Bird's has a short memory, like most people - MJ literally did 50% more when it comes to the proportion of his team's points, assists and turnovers:


..Percentages of team points + assists - turnovers while player was on floor


........................ PO.....PO 4th...Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 40.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 51.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 53.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 48.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
JORDAN 1998... 38.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 52.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 41.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 52.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

LEBRON 2012... 39.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 31.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 34.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)



Jordan stans don't lump anything together - Lebron DID collude to play with Wade and Bosh...

That makes his 2/4 not impressive, since any other top player could collude to play with the league's best talent and go 2/4 as well.

and even if he had never colluded, 2/4 falls far short of MJ's standard

Besides through the context of your misplaced philosophy, how does the means LeBron used to get on a great team matter? On a functional level, it doesn't. LeBron played with an awesome team for four years. MJ did too. When they both had great teams, they went to the finals. MJ's superior iso skills probably ensured his victories where LeBron's relative lack of them led him to lose one finals series he should've won. If you say that undermanned cavs team should've beaten a peak spurs, you're delusional.

[tmacattack33]

Larry Bird's has a short memory, like most people - MJ literally did 50% more when it comes to the proportion of his team's points, assists and turnovers:


..Percentages of team points + assists - turnovers while player was on floor


........................ PO.....PO 4th...Finals.. Finals 4th


JORDAN 1997... 40.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 51.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 53.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 48.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
JORDAN 1998... 38.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 52.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 41.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 52.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

LEBRON 2012... 39.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 31.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 34.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/2544/stats/usage/?Season=2011-12&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)



Jordan stans don't lump anything together - Lebron DID collude to play with Wade and Bosh...

That makes his 2/4 not impressive, since any other top player could collude to play with the league's best talent and go 2/4 as well.

and even if he had never colluded, 2/4 falls far short of MJ's standard

This "percentage of team's assists minus turnovers" is completely bogus. It will unfairly increase the value of a player's assist if their team doesn't get many assists, and unfairly increase the value of a player's turnovers if their team doesn't get many turnovers.

It is also unbalanced.

Where did you even come up with such BS? :roll:

[Lebron23]

Sorry, but you are completely forgetting or ignoring the fact that Chris Bosh was out for two rounds of those playoffs and not 100% during those Finals.

So, no. Lebron was not SUPPOSED to win that year. As soon as Bosh went down during the Indiana series, it was believed to be over...especially since Indiana had a good frontcourt.

It was also supposed to be over against the Celtics with no Bosh.

And then again, in the Finals, the Thunder were on fire and the Heat were the underdogs.


NBA Finals MVP
NBA MVP
Olympic Gold Medalist

28/8/6 on 53.1 FG% in the regular season
30/10/6/2 on 50 FG% in the playoffs. (Defeated Melo, Amare, George, Garnett, Pierce, Allen, Rondo, Harden, Durant, and Westbrook in the post season).

http://www.nbadunks.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/lebron-james-finals-mvp.jpg

http://cdn.sneakernews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/lebron-james-2012-trophies-3.jpg

I can see history repeating itself.

[GimmeThat]

the 2012 season is when Lebron mastered attacking both from the left side and the right side of the court. This season, he has shown to dedicate himself to mastering from the center of the court. I expect him to slow down the pace even more come playoff time, exposing the opposing team from the lack of play making and forcing them into iso plays.