I like Bernie Sanders but...

[poido123]

He has two things that go against him.


He looks incredibly old, will he actually make it through a full term?

He makes a lot of good points and I love his ideas, but will he actually carry any or some of those out?


I've seen a lot of politicians come and go blowing the same hot air and trying to appeal to the middle and lower class.


Just sayin.

[brownmamba00]

Trump is only 4 years or so younger

but talks like a 4th grader

Bernie FTW

[Take Your Lumps]

He looks incredibly old, will he actually make it through a full term?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP_J6gmJYiU

[StephHamann]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP_J6gmJYiU

Looks like Peyton Manning

[DukeDelonte13]

He has two things that go against him.


He looks incredibly old, will he actually make it through a full term?

He makes a lot of good points and I love his ideas, but will he actually carry any or some of those out?


I've seen a lot of politicians come and go blowing the same hot air and trying to appeal to the middle and lower class.


Just sayin.


same could be said for literally any presidential candidate ever.

"Will president do X" should be "Can president get X through congress"

[Take Your Lumps]

He has two things that go against him.


He looks incredibly old, will he actually make it through a full term?

He makes a lot of good points and I love his ideas, but will he actually carry any or some of those out?


I've seen a lot of politicians come and go blowing the same hot air and trying to appeal to the middle and lower class.


Just sayin.

Robert Reich put out a short video this week discussing a lot of these concerns:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfIhonVoFSg

[Draz]

Yall think the U.S government will let bernie die in office? He will outlive you for the 8 years

[BoutPractice]

His theory of change, or how he'll actually get things done, is much more realistic than that espoused by Hillary, despite what the media will tell you.

Hillary is basically admitting defeat, taking for granted that Democrats won't win Congress... which, to be fair, is more than probable if she wins.

But as a result, every policy she enacts will be through executive action. This means they can easily be overturned and more importantly, represents an intellectual and moral defeat for her party.

Bernie on the other hand, inspires the kind of enthusiasm and support that makes it conceivable that Democrats could capture both houses of Congress and legislation could get passed.

The media would have you believe that Republicans have a lock on Congress. Yet such "locks" have been unlocked many, many times in the past - nothing unrealistic about that, that's how Republicans got there in the first place. The key is to build a winning coalition, and Sanders is ideally placed to do that.

Obama's coalition of the ascendants will most likely stick with Sanders, but Sanders can bring back a lot of the white working class voters that have been voting Republican for decades.

Even if that strategy fails for the 2016 elections, it could pay dividends down the road, in the way that Hillary's short term approach doesn't.

As always - we could see that with her 2008 campaign, but also with her uninspired stint as Secretary of State - Hillary is playing small ball and getting nowhere as a result.

Besides, even if Sanders fails to deliver Democratic victories in Congress, his independent streak and populist themes make him better suited to building bipartisan coalitions on issues like corruption where voters from both parties can find common ground even when special interests don't.

So overall Sanders is actually the practical, common sense choice.

As for his age, it doesn't seem to be affecting his energy or mental faculties. It could also mean that he won't run for re-election, which would enbolden him to make courageous decisions that other, younger politicians would be afraid of.

[FillJackson]

Conservatives pushing for Bernie Sanders is one of the funniest things going this primary.

[FillJackson]

Bernie on the other hand, inspires the kind of enthusiasm and support that makes it conceivable that Democrats could capture both houses of Congress

This seems so incredibly far off. Bernie would drive enthusiasm in liberal districts. The kind that already vote Democratic.

Where's the evidence that Bernie would help in a swing district?

There's little doubt that the Republicans would prefer to face Sanders in a Democratic election. They want to do exactly what the Democrats did with Todd Aiken. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/todd-akin-missouri-claire-mccaskill-2012-121262?paginate=false)
[QUOTE]How I Helped Todd Akin Win

[NumberSix]

Conservatives pushing for Bernie Sanders is one of the funniest things going this primary.
It's kinda weird. Karl Rove has been spending a lot of money on pro-Bernie stuff.

[Mirror]

He has two things that go against him.


He looks incredibly old, will he actually make it through a full term?

He makes a lot of good points and I love his ideas, but will he actually carry any or some of those out?


I've seen a lot of politicians come and go blowing the same hot air and trying to appeal to the middle and lower class.


Just sayin.
Who cares about his age? Whoever he choses as VP would still be better than any GOP candidate.

Your second point is the same with ALL candidates, not just Bernie. At least Bernie is trying to get the country in the right direction. Of course there will be push back from the opponents, but that happens no matter what. Past Republican presents wanted more gun control, including Reagan, but the moment a democrat proposes it, then it is a problem.

[brandonislegend]

FeelTheBern

[Godzuki]

its impossible for him to pander to everyone he says he's going to while keeping our economy strong. companies will just go elsewhere.

Dem's are so easy to pander to for votes and Bernie has them locked up. nobody panders more than this fool. he's even pandering to groups like Black Lives Matter :oldlol: so i guess he'll be giving them government funding to put towards black only agendas where nobody else matters...that sums up Bernie Sanders whole pandering campaign for you :applause:

only Dem's are so naive to believe light and dark can coexist at the same time. that business and economy can flourish in a social program based governance with environmental law emphasis. if you want to take from the rich who run businesses, make them meet more strict codes, while other countries would love to have them there....and pretend at the same time you can lift the poor to middle class who contribute very little, if at all to our economic well being then you're a idiot.

Bernie supporters are like the easy bitch to fukk. say they look pretty and u got them. its a joke how people really believe he can deliver most of what he preaches, and a bigger joke to just how many silly PC groups he panders to :facepalm

[FillJackson]

It's kinda weird. Karl Rove has been spending a lot of money on pro-Bernie stuff.
Read that Claire McCaskill article. You'll see it's not weird at all.

Rove knows the Republicans will lose to Hillary, but they can beat Bernie, so he's trying to get Bernie to be the candidate. Then once he's the candidate you unload on him. Attacks that will work in him in the general election are less effective in the primary and thus he won't have faced them.


Bernie makes Rove's job easier come the fall, the ads are so much easier to write. Hillary's reputation/baggage are already burned in and she's still a 20 time winner of Most Admired (http://www.gallup.com/poll/187922/clinton-admired-woman-record-20th-time.aspx) in the Gallup Poll.

[NumberSix]

Read that Claire McCaskill article. You'll see it's not weird at all.

Rove knows the Republicans will lose to Hillary, but they can beat Bernie, so he's trying to get Bernie to be the candidate. Then once he's the candidate you unload on him. Attacks that will work in him in the general election are less effective in the primary and thus he won't have faced them.
That's not the strategy at all. This is chess and you're thinking about checkers moves.

Every republican knows Hillary is going to be the nominee. The strategy is that the pressure from Bernie forces Hillary to move further to the left than she wants to. Hillary supporters only move is to paint Bernie as TOO left (which he is) and make the "electability" argument.

Make no mistake, no republican actually thinks Bernie has a shot of being the nominee.

[Dave3]

This seems so incredibly far off. Bernie would drive enthusiasm in liberal districts. The kind that already vote Democratic.

Where's the evidence that Bernie would help in a swing district?

There's little doubt that the Republicans would prefer to face Sanders in a Democratic election. They want to do exactly what the Democrats did with Todd Aiken. (http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/todd-akin-missouri-claire-mccaskill-2012-121262?paginate=false)
He's the kind of candidate that would make a lot more people come out to the polls. The Democrats can have a lot more seats in congress and the senate than they currently do if people actually came out to vote. Remember a few years ago they had majorities everywhere. Then we have midterms with the lowest turnout in like 40 years and all of a sudden everything's dominated by Republicans.

If he does end up winning, he makes a lot more people come out to the polls, and all those seats that used to be Dem will be back as Dem. If that's the case, a lot of what he's aiming to do will actually come to fruition. Or at least close to it.

[Mirror]

its impossible for him to pander to everyone he says he's going to while keeping our economy strong. companies will just go elsewhere.

Dem's are so easy to pander to for votes and Bernie has them locked up. nobody panders more than this fool. he's even pandering to groups like Black Lives Matter :oldlol: so i guess he'll be giving them government funding to put towards black only agendas where nobody else matters...that sums up Bernie Sanders whole pandering campaign for you :applause:

only Dem's are so naive to believe light and dark can coexist at the same time. that business and economy can flourish in a social program based governance with environmental law emphasis. if you want to take from the rich who run businesses, make them meet more strict codes, while other countries would love to have them there....and pretend at the same time you can lift the poor to middle class who contribute very little, if at all to our economic well being then you're a idiot.

Bernie supporters are like the easy bitch to fukk. say they look pretty and u got them. its a joke how people really believe he can deliver most of what he preaches, and a bigger joke to just how many silly PC groups he panders to :facepalm
It isn't pandering if you have given the same message since the 80s. Hilary panders, because she changes her policy to match what the people want. The people just finally caught up to Sanders.

[FillJackson]

That's not the strategy at all. This is chess and you're thinking about checkers moves.

Every republican knows Hillary is going to be the nominee. The strategy is that the pressure from Bernie forces Hillary to move further to the left than she wants to. Hillary supporters only move is to paint Bernie as TOO left (which he is) and make the "electability" argument.

Make no mistake, no republican actually thinks Bernie has a shot of being the nominee.
This is silly because the Democratic electorate doesn't work like that. The left doesn't control the Democratic party the way the right does for the Republicans. Hillary does not need to move at all to win the nomination. Iowa and New Hampshire have exactly the Democratic Demographics where Sanders does better, but after that, it's pretty much done.

[NumberSix]

This is silly because the Democratic electorate doesn't work like that. The left doesn't control the Democratic party the way the right does for the Republicans. Hillary does not need to move at all to win the nomination. Iowa and New Hampshire have exactly the Democratic Demographics where Sanders does better, but after that, it's pretty much done.
Hence... No Republican thinks there's any chance of Bernie winning.

Real talk though, do you really think Hillary is gonna be tough on the banks? You think her REAL opinion of "black lives matter" isn't that they're a bunch of idiots? You think she's any less of a war hawk than John McCain?

The entire Democrat party has drifted to the far left. It's a pro-illegal immigration, big government, anti-western, anti-private-property, anti-speech, socialist party. If you can't tell that they're far left, it's because you're either too far left yourself, or you simply don't understand the principles of why things work or don't work. For example, if you're one of these wackos that believes in $15 minimum wage, you simply don't understand how an economy works or the principles of freedom or supply and demand.

[BlazerRed]

Feel The Bern!

[FillJackson]

Hence... No Republican thinks there's any chance of Bernie winning.

Real talk though, do you really think Hillary is gonna be tough on the banks? You think her REAL opinion of "black lives matter" isn't that they're a bunch of idiots? You think she's any less of a war hawk than John McCain?

The entire Democrat party has drifted to the far left. It's a pro-illegal immigration, big government, anti-western, anti-private-property, anti-speech, socialist party. If you can't tell that they're far left, it's because you're either too far left yourself, or you simply don't understand the principles of why things work or don't work. For example, if you're one of these wackos that believes in $15 minimum wage, you simply don't understand how an economy works or the principles of freedom or supply and demand.

You know you really lose your tether and float off every so often.

[kNIOKAS]

Hence... No Republican thinks there's any chance of Bernie winning.

Real talk though, do you really think Hillary is gonna be tough on the banks? You think her REAL opinion of "black lives matter" isn't that they're a bunch of idiots? You think she's any less of a war hawk than John McCain?

The entire Democrat party has drifted to the far left. It's a pro-illegal immigration, big government, anti-western, anti-private-property, anti-speech, socialist party. If you can't tell that they're far left, it's because you're either too far left yourself, or you simply don't understand the principles of why things work or don't work. For example, if you're one of these wackos that believes in $15 minimum wage, you simply don't understand how an economy works or the principles of freedom or supply and demand.
:roll:

Increase in the buying power results in increase of the demand of labour. Therefore raising minimum wage decreases unemployment. Economics 101, look it up.

[highwhey]

He has two things that go against him.


He looks incredibly old, will he actually make it through a full term?

He makes a lot of good points and I love his ideas, but will he actually carry any or some of those out?


I've seen a lot of politicians come and go blowing the same hot air and trying to appeal to the middle and lower class.


Just sayin.
Aren't you Australian??

[poido123]

Aren't you Australian??


I think I might have to copy/paste my responses so that idiots like you can keep up.

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[highwhey]

I think I might have to copy/paste my responses so that idiots like you can keep up.

:hammerhead:
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