Miami Heat 12

[tomtucker]

Who you got to win it all in the finals ?

[Gileraracer]

GSW easily. We all know Lebron's not known for winning

[Im Still Ballin]

Miami 2012 beats Golden State 2015

Miami 2013 beats Golden State 2015

Miami 2013 Healthy with Wade playing at streak level takes Golden State 2016 to 7

It's a toss up. Wade and Lebron both firing like that, Lebron shooting 40% from 3 and hitting jumpers, Bosh stretching the floor and defending pick and rolls, Ray Allen off the bench for the splash... It's a 7 game toss up.

[pastis]

miami. wade and bron were just dominating. bron was unstoppable back then. driving to the basket, hitting midrange and three pointer.

[Im Still Ballin]

Healthy 2013 Miami is the perfect team to beat Golden State

Their brand of basketball matches up very well with them

[aj1987]

'12 Heat would take the '15 Warriors to school.

Doubt the '13 Heat beat the '16 Warriors, although they matchup pretty well. Good defenders in Wade, LeBron, Bosh, Battier, and Andersen. A couple of elite and very good 3pt shooters.

[Kobe_6/8]

Heat. Although if the Warriors keep up their current offensive success, it's hard to say.

Miami would control the pace of the game, and dominate the fast-break.

[Black and White]

Miami will be allowed to play small ball with LeBron at PF

something like:

Rio
Allen
Wade
LeBron
Bosh


(could swap Allen for Battier and have him come off the bench for a better defensive lineup)

[tomtucker]

Those Heat teams were some of the best ever, a shame Lebron leaves when the going gets tough........he has really cast a dark shadow over those champion teams.

As a Heat fan i feel no joy watching the old videos.....there was an asshole on my team.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCaaOlV6YX8

[Im Still Ballin]

Love your shit tommy. Keep being YOU.

[Haymaker]

It was the excellent ball movement that Mavs and Spurs executed the key to dismantle the Heat's swarming defense and this Warriors team is up there with those first two. GS wins both.

[tomtucker]

Love your shit tommy. Keep being YOU.
I am an asshole, but if everyone's dig deeper , you will actually find a nice guy

[aj1987]

It was the excellent ball movement that Mavs and Spurs executed the key to dismantle the Heat's swarming defense and this Warriors team is up there with those first two. GS wins both.
LeBron choking and everyone except LeBron sucking ass is why Miami lost in '11 and '14. LeBron plays slightly better in the 4th Q's, the Heat wreck the '11 Mav's. Emphasis on slightly. Dude was straight up garbage in the clutch. 2 PPG, in the 4th Q's on 35%, IIRC.

There's literally 0% chance of '15 GSW beating the '12 Heat. '13, because of Wade's injuries, the Warriors might win.

[tomtucker]

LeBron choking and everyone except LeBron sucking ass is why Miami lost in '11 and '14. LeBron plays slightly better in the 4th Q's, the Heat wreck the '11 Mav's. Emphasis on slightly. Dude was straight up garbage in the clutch. 2 PPG, in the 4th Q's on 35%, IIRC.

There's literally 0% chance of '15 GSW beating the '12 Heat. '13, because of Wade's injuries, the Warriors might win.

yeah, i agree.....should have been a 3-peat...11

[Captvic]

Delusional,

Curry would go to town on Chalmers and Norris Cole.

Draymond Green would shut down Bosh

Iggy can defend Lebron well

Klay can defend Wade well

[aj1987]

Delusional,

Curry would go to town on Chalmers and Norris Cole.

Draymond Green would shut down Bosh

Iggy can defend Lebron well

Klay can defend Wade well
Delusional? How is Draymond gonna shutdown Bosh, when he's raining midrange jumpers in his face? '12 Wade would absolutely murder Klay. With Wade, Bosh, Allen, and a bunch of other 3pt shooters, Iggy will have his hands full as well.

Sure, Steph will get his, but you're forgetting that he let freaking Delly drop 20 on him. Miami just needs like 1 or 2 games like that from Rio. That and hitting the occasional 3.

Instead of having his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best teammates average a combined 25 PPG on sub 40% TS, LeBron will have Wade, Bosh, and Allen. A much better defensive unit than last seasons Cav's as well.

The only thing that'll be constant is that Curry with be without an FMVP.

[Lebron23]

Miami beat them. They match up pretty well with the Warriors, and LeBron shut down Curry cause he was a much better defender in 2012 and 2013.

And that Heat team was way better than LeBron and the Cavs who won 2 games in the 2015 NBA Finals.

Wade would abuse Klay Thompson.

[Dresta]

It was the excellent ball movement that Mavs and Spurs executed the key to dismantle the Heat's swarming defense and this Warriors team is up there with those first two. GS wins both.
And you don't think 4 straight trips to the finals might have made a defensive scheme that requires high energy levels and is extremely draining far less effective?

Bron and Wade were a terror on the perimeter, and unstoppable in transition.

[Magic 32]

Miami was never that good to begin with.

Could barely beat the 2013 Pacers and 2012 Celtics.

And if Kawhi was a year older in 2013 and Parker was injury free....

[aj1987]

Miami was never that good to begin with.

Could barely beat the 2013 Pacers and 2012 Celtics.

And if Kawhi was a year older in 2013 and Parker was injury free....
This ****** right here. :oldlol:

If Wade and Bosh were injury free if Battier and Allen were 2 years younger...Shit doesn't work like that, kid.

[Lebron23]

Miami was never that good to begin with.

Could barely beat the 2013 Pacers and 2012 Celtics.

And if Kawhi was a year older in 2013 and Parker was injury free....

You are clearly delusional.

[Andrei89]

Miami in 2012 were playing with the best version of Lebron since 2003 imo,

Miami 2012 beats GSW 2015. I dont know about 2016

[Andrei89]

This ****** right here. :oldlol:

If Wade and Bosh were injury free if Battier and Allen were 2 years younger...Shit doesn't work like that, kid.

Perhaps if Miami had prime Wade in 2014 they would have swept the Spurs. Thus, the Spurs were not even that good to begin with - Magic 32 , the Resident fegot

[Yoshi]

Current Warriors beat both 12 and 13 Heat.

[tomtucker]

Miami was never that good to begin with.

Could barely beat the 2013 Pacers and 2012 Celtics.

And if Kawhi was a year older in 2013 and Parker was injury free....

that 2013 Pacers was tough as nails ! Big, strong and nasty .

[Haymaker]

Current Warriors beat both 12 and 13 Heat.

This. Just accept it.

[tomtucker]

This. Just accept it.

They have no one who can defend bosh wade and lebron.........and heat would find a way to cover curry.......

[swagga]

12 heat murder the warriors.
13 is really close.

@gsw ball movement: excellent but it depends too much on their PNR success. 12/13 heat were some of the best PNR defense in league history. If you look at spurs/mavs .. they went a lot through the post and passing started from there.... that's why the heat were so exposed because they couldn't defend the low post so they had to rotate like nuts. Otherwise, their defense was perfect for the perimeter game.

[Fallen Angel]

Let it be known that the Big Three went 4-3 against the Golden State Warriors during their time together.

[Fallen Angel]

Give me both versions of the Warriors over the Heat.

[BIG FURB]

Heat fans aren't being honest with themselves in this thread. The 2012 team might get a hard fought 7 game series victory against last years warriors team, but this years Warriors team is clearly on another level, even if they don't win the title. The Heatles were great, but they should've been as dominant as this years warriors (or even the Spurs) considering the level of talent on the team

[LAKingKobe]

So close but heat. Both are all time legend teams. But that version of lebron could match curry and the rest of heat are more powerful than gsw. Draymond would be neutralized badly by defending bosh who wasn't really a post guy.

[Lebron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6O00QkBvGI

Miami Heat Blitzing/Hard Hedge vs Pick & Rolls

That Miami Heat team defended very well against Pick and Rolls.

[aj1987]

Heat fans aren't being honest with themselves in this thread. The 2012 team might get a hard fought 7 game series victory against last years warriors team, but this years Warriors team is clearly on another level, even if they don't win the title. The Heatles were great, but they should've been as dominant as this years warriors (or even the Spurs) considering the level of talent on the team
Literally 5-6 posts above yours.

Delusional? How is Draymond gonna shutdown Bosh, when he's raining midrange jumpers in his face? '12 Wade would absolutely murder Klay. With Wade, Bosh, Allen, and a bunch of other 3pt shooters, Iggy will have his hands full as well.

Sure, Steph will get his, but you're forgetting that he let freaking Delly drop 20 on him. Miami just needs like 1 or 2 games like that from Rio. That and hitting the occasional 3.

Instead of having his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best teammates average a combined 25 PPG on sub 40% TS, LeBron will have Wade, Bosh, and Allen. A much better defensive unit than last seasons Cav's as well.

This Warriors team is getting overrated AF.

[tpols]

Heat fans aren't being honest with themselves in this thread. The 2012 team might get a hard fought 7 game series victory against last years warriors team, but this years Warriors team is clearly on another level, even if they don't win the title. The Heatles were great, but they should've been as dominant as this years warriors (or even the Spurs) considering the level of talent on the team

Agreed. 12 heat vs 15 warriors is a push, slight favor to gsw for being more healthy..

16 warriors wreck 13 Heat.

[BIG FURB]

Literally 5-6 posts above yours.

Delusional? How is Draymond gonna shutdown Bosh, when he's raining midrange jumpers in his face? '12 Wade would absolutely murder Klay. With Wade, Bosh, Allen, and a bunch of other 3pt shooters, Iggy will have his hands full as well.

Sure, Steph will get his, but you're forgetting that he let freaking Delly drop 20 on him. Miami just needs like 1 or 2 games like that from Rio. That and hitting the occasional 3.

Instead of having his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best teammates average a combined 25 PPG on sub 40% TS, LeBron will have Wade, Bosh, and Allen. A much better defensive unit than last seasons Cav's as well.

This Warriors team is getting overrated AF.

This Warriors team is getting overrated?!? The team that's on pace to match or exceed the Bulls 72 win season? The team that just beat the Cavs, Bulls, Spurs and Mavs by 34, 31, 30 and 20 points respectively ? You're saying this is the team that's being overrated in this thread :biggums:

[aj1987]

Agreed. 12 heat vs 15 warriors is a push, slight favor to gsw for being more healthy..

16 warriors wreck 13 Heat.
:oldlol:

Kinda expected either you of MarkMadshit to post the same.


This Warriors team is getting overrated?!? The team that's on pace to match or exceed the Bulls 72 win season? The team that just beat the Cavs, Bulls, Spurs and Mavs by 34, 31, 30 and 20 points respectively ? You're saying this is the team that's being overrated in this thread
:biggums:

Overrated as in when they're being compared to other legit ATG teams. People actually think that Curry is having an ATG offensive season, that the '01 Lakers and '96 Bulls would lose to them, etc..

Why'd you ignore the rest of the post?

Delusional? How is Draymond gonna shutdown Bosh, when he's raining midrange jumpers in his face? '12 Wade would absolutely murder Klay. With Wade, Bosh, Allen, and a bunch of other 3pt shooters, Iggy will have his hands full as well.

Sure, Steph will get his, but you're forgetting that he let freaking Delly drop 20 on him. Miami just needs like 1 or 2 games like that from Rio. That and hitting the occasional 3.

Instead of having his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best teammates average a combined 25 PPG on sub 40% TS, LeBron will have Wade, Bosh, and Allen. A much better defensive unit than last seasons Cav's as well.

[Yoshi]

Agreed. 12 heat vs 15 warriors is a push, slight favor to gsw for being more healthy..

16 warriors wreck 13 Heat.
Fully agree.

[tpols]

That's not a crazy opinion.. that last year's warriors vs 12 heat is a push, and this years warriors on pace for 75 wins w/ championship pedigree vs 13 Heat is clearly in warriors favor right now given miami health in the playoffs that year.. you're the one being biased.

[Mass Debator]

Closing line ups would be (12 vs 15):

Draymond - Bosh
Iggy - Lebron
Barnes - Battier
Klay - Wade
Curry - Allen

Looks like a game 7 to me. The X-factor would probably be guard play. Curry most definitely wouldn't like chasing Allen around screens constantly, and he wouldn't be able to guard Wade because of post play and bigger overall. Wade would guard Curry on the other end and hoping his length could bother Curry a bit but only a bit. He would still get his 25+ points on good efficiency. Bosh hedges hard on screens so Curry would be passing to Draymond a lot though. Battier or Lebron would rotate to him and be able to guard him. Iggy and Barnes better make their shots but it won't look pretty because this Heat team was quick to recover with their length. Klay would be a constant 18 ppg every game but not a game changer. I see Battier on him a lot. I got the Heat in 7 based on experience.

16 Warriors would kill the 13 Heat. 4-1

[TripleA]

The 12 Heat beat the 15 warriors. 13 loses to 16 warriors.
The 15 warriors got took to 6 games by Lebron with a Broken jumper and less athleticism,Delly,Jr swish,Shumpert,Tristan Thompson and Mosgov.
If you think peak Level Lebron,Chris Bosh and Dwyane Wade would lose 2 games to a Cavs team who is much worse offensively and less consistent defensively.
I don't know what to tell you.

[aj1987]

That's not a crazy opinion.. that last year's warriors vs 12 heat is a push, and this years warriors on pace for 75 wins w/ championship pedigree vs 13 Heat is clearly in warriors favor right now given miami health in the playoffs that year.. you're the one being biased.
Am I being biased or are you just being your usual LeBron/Wade hating self? I've pointed out why the Heat would beat the Warriors. You literally haven't stated why they would beat my team though.

Delusional? How is Draymond gonna shutdown Bosh, when he's raining midrange jumpers in his face? '12 Wade would absolutely murder Klay. With Wade, Bosh, Allen, and a bunch of other 3pt shooters, Iggy will have his hands full as well.

Sure, Steph will get his, but you're forgetting that he let freaking Delly drop 20 on him. Miami just needs like 1 or 2 games like that from Rio. That and hitting the occasional 3.

Instead of having his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best teammates average a combined 25 PPG on sub 40% TS, LeBron will have Wade, Bosh, and Allen. A much better defensive unit than last seasons Cav's as well.

[tpols]

You haven't posted anything..

Saying things like "bosh would be raining jumpers in Draymond face" over and over. Meanwhile all you do is rip on bosh for being soft when defending bron and his help.. now bosh is going to all of a sudden do work against one of the most physical PFs in the league that also happens to be a dpoy candidate?

The same bosh that had his numbers gradually decrease to shit while Draymond looks like a James worthy magic Johnson triple double hybrid the more he gels w/ his squad?

Wade murdering klay.. who cares? Basketball isn't a one on one game. We just saw a role player lock bron down to the tune of 30 some odd shooting percentages and win fmvp.. matchups and chemistries and styles matter.



Miami Heat and golden state are very similar built teams built on raining 3s on you off penetration and defensive capitalizations.. but warriors are better at it than the heat were. Their third option and role players are on another level of utilization, and therefore production, impact etc. Can you imagine a role player ever winning a fmvp on a lebron led team?

It would never happen... because the heats players from 2nd/3rd option down could never get the opportunity to do so the way they are utilized in a planetary manner rotating around and having to have everything go through lebron.

The warriors are a better team from the top down, management coaching, bench role players, fit and cohesiveness of second option and especially third option. They slightly lack in talent but make up for it with superior chemistry, and skill.

[aj1987]

You haven't posted anything..

Saying things like "bosh would be raining jumpers in Draymond face" over and over. Meanwhile all you do is rip on bosh for being soft when defending bron and his help.. now bosh is going to all of a sudden do work against one of the most physical PFs in the league that also happens to be a dpoy candidate?
Not in the post, you idiot. How physical can you get defensively when a player is shooting jumpers? We're in 2016, kid.


The same bosh that had his numbers gradually decrease to shit while Draymond looks like a James worthy magic Johnson triple double hybrid the more he gels w/ his squad?
He looked like "James Worthy" last season? You comparing Green to Magic is not only asinine, but just shows how much of a Laker "fan" you are, Kobeturd.


Wade murdering klay.. who cares? Basketball isn't a one on one game. We just saw a role player lock bron down to the tune of 30 some odd shooting percentages and win fmvp.. matchups and chemistries and styles matter.
Read the entire post, dumbass.

Delusional? How is Draymond gonna shutdown Bosh, when he's raining midrange jumpers in his face? '12 Wade would absolutely murder Klay. With Wade, Bosh, Allen, and a bunch of other 3pt shooters, Iggy will have his hands full as well.

Instead of having his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best teammates average a combined 25 PPG on sub 40% TS, LeBron will have Wade, Bosh, and Allen. A much better defensive unit than last seasons Cav's as well.


Miami Heat and golden state are very similar built teams built on raining 3s on you off penetration and defensive capitalizations.. but warriors are better at it than the heat were. Their third option and role players are on another level of utilization, and therefore production, impact etc. Can you imagine a role player ever winning a fmvp on a lebron led team?
Nope, because LeBron has literally been the best offensive and defensive player on all his Championship squads. Curry hasn't.


It would never happen... because the heats players from 2nd/3rd option down could never get the opportunity to do so the way they are utilized in a planetary manner rotating around and having to have everything go through lebron.
In other words, you actually never saw the Heat play and just go with the hater hyperbole.


The warriors are a better team from the top down, management coaching, bench role players, fit and cohesiveness of second option and especially third option. They slightly lack in talent but make up for it with superior chemistry, and skill.
Coaching? Sure. Management? Riley >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Bench? Sure. The bench does cover the talent gap in the big 3 though.

It's actually quite funny reading Kobeturd posts. They almost never watch games and just go with whatever stigma is attached to a player. Quite funny, actually. Would make a good study for a student doing anything pertaining to mass mentality.

[tpols]

Ugh.. you just want to throw a pissy fit, get a hold of yourself.

[aj1987]

Ugh.. you just want to throw a pissy fit, get a hold of yourself.
Just what I expected. You have no arguments other than "durr lebron is a ball hog and he can't shoot". Try to leave your Wade/LeBron hate out and make a sensible argument.

Again, if you missed it, or are just too stupid to read the entire thing, I'll leave the main part here.

How is Draymond gonna shutdown Bosh, when he's raining midrange jumpers in his face? '12 Wade would absolutely murder Klay. With Wade, Bosh, Allen, and a bunch of other 3pt shooters, Iggy will have his hands full as well.

Instead of having his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best teammates average a combined 25 PPG on sub 40% TS, LeBron will have Wade, Bosh, and Allen. A much better defensive unit than last seasons Cav's as well.

To answer your other question, Green is basically is a great defender against subpar offensive player in the low post and against wings on the perimeter. He can't guard a good jumpshooting 7 footer.

[k0kakw0rld]

GSW easily. We all know Lebron's not known for winning
2 rings :pimp:

[tpols]

Just what I expected. You have no arguments other than "durr lebron is a ball hog and he can't shoot". Try to leave your Wade/LeBron hate out and make a sensible argument.

Again, if you missed it, or are just too stupid to read the entire thing, I'll leave the main part here.

How is Draymond gonna shutdown Bosh, when he's raining midrange jumpers in his face? '12 Wade would absolutely murder Klay. With Wade, Bosh, Allen, and a bunch of other 3pt shooters, Iggy will have his hands full as well.

Instead of having his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best teammates average a combined 25 PPG on sub 40% TS, LeBron will have Wade, Bosh, and Allen. A much better defensive unit than last seasons Cav's as well.

To answer your other question, Green is basically is a great defender against subpar offensive player in the low post and against wings on the perimeter. He can't guard a good jumpshooting 7 footer.


Green is the most versatile big man defender in the league.. he's incredible guarding the Pnr, he can stick with wings on the perimeter.. you think he can't stay with Chris bosh's spot up shooting ass? That's poor logic.. and your assessment of green is totally off.

Draymond only good against sub par offensive players? Whose supposed to take you seriously?



You keep repeating the same thing over and over.. about bosh raining midrange attempts when his midrange attempts as a proportion of total shots diminished year after year with the heat.. by 2013 he had taken more 3s than he had his whole toronto stint..but you repeat yourself like you're kicking knowledge, when you sound like a fool. It's like your copying 3ball style, but when 3ball does that he does it with sound logic and case studies at least and has more than empty insults, emoticon, and hissy fits.


Whole notion that "Iggy would have his hands full" because lebrons better offensive teammates is silly because Iggy was guarding him straight up anyways. You would think, on any other star, the defense would double if said star player had poor offensive help.. it's only logical to do that since the offensive help can't kill you nearly as bad. But the Warriors still chose not to double because they were having so much success with the 1v1 coverage it wouldn't make sense to go away from it, and potentially let a guy like Jr is other shooters go off. Iggy would have the same exact workload he did in 2015

[aj1987]

Green is the most versatile big man defender in the league.. he's incredible guarding the Pnr, he can stick with wings on the perimeter.. you think he can't stay with Chris bosh's spot up shooting ass? That's poor logic.. and your assessment of green is totally off.
:facepalm

Chris Bosh is not a wing.


Draymond only good against sub par offensive players? Whose supposed to take you seriously?
As a center, he's only good against subpar offensive bigmen in the low post. I thought you'd figure it out, but oh well. I do apologize. I should've made it clear the first time around.


You keep repeating the same thing over and over.. about bosh raining midrange attempts when his midrange attempts as a proportion of total shots diminished year after year with the heat.. by 2013 he had taken more 3s than he had his whole toronto stint..
In '13, dude attempted ONE 3 a game. ONE. Almost half of his shots came form the midrange. Dude BARELY attempted any 3's. To put that in perspective, dude took 1.2 3's a game WITH LeBron in 4 seasons. He has been taking 4 a game since LeBron left. Please stop talking out of your ass. Here's his shot chart from '13, BTW.

http://i64.tinypic.com/mkknwg.png

Again, that's '13. He only attempted 0.6 in '12. He wasn't actually considered to be a 3pt shooter until the '14 season. This is probably why you actually need to watch the games, kid.


but you repeat yourself like you're kicking knowledge, when you sound like a fool. It's like your copying 3ball style, but when 3ball does that he does it with sound logic and case studies at least and has more than empty insults, emoticon, and hissy fits.
I've been backing up my arguments with ACTUAL facts. Not hyperbole like yourself and made up stats like 3ball.


Whole notion that "Iggy would have his hands full" because lebrons better offensive teammates is silly because Iggy was guarding him straight up anyways. You would think, on any other star, the defense would double if said star player had poor offensive help.. it's only logical to do that since the offensive help can't kill you nearly as bad. But the Warriors still chose not to double because they were having so much success with the 1v1 coverage it wouldn't make sense to go away from it, and potentially let a guy like Jr is other shooters go off. Iggy would have the same exact workload he did in 2015
Again, let me post this first.

Instead of having his 2nd, 3rd, and 4th best teammates average a combined 25 PPG on sub 40% TS, LeBron will have Wade, Bosh, and Allen. A much better defensive unit than last seasons Cav's as well.

You still don't get it?? You think Wade, Bosh, and Allen COMBINED would average 25 PPG on sub 40% TS? Kawhi guarded Wade more than LeBron in '13. You saw how that worked out for the Spurs. Klay is not even close to being the defender that Kawhi is. Also, this is '13 Wade. A guy who was beyond hobbled. '12 Wade would've absolutely mauled Klay. How are the Warriors not gonna make adjustments with Wade going off? Bosh abusing Green from the mid-range. Game over.

[WayOfWade]

It seems like the overall opinion is:
12' Heat > 15' Warriors
12' Heat ~ 16' Warriors (slight edge to Heat)
13' Heat ~ 15' Warriors (slight edge to Warriors)
13' Heat < 16' Warriors

Is this correct?