Miami Heat Blitzing/Hard Hedge vs Pick & Rolls

[Lebron23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6O00QkBvGI

Very effective defensive technique vs. Pick and Rolls

[FKAri]

Not every team has a Chris Bosh.

[Lebron23]

Not every team has a Chris Bosh.


That Miami Heat team was a very good defensive team. They were very entertaining in the open court.

[Mass Debator]

Not every team has a Chris Bosh.
Underrated defender

[ClipperRevival]

That Miami Heat team was a very good defensive team. They were very entertaining in the open court.

They mirrored the Bulls in a lot of ways. Incredible athleticism at the 2, 3 and 4 and could suffocate you defensively in stretches and shrink the court.

[Lebron23]

They mirrored the Bulls in a lot of ways. Incredible athleticism at the 2, 3 and 4 and could suffocate you defensively in stretches and shrink the court.


I agree.

[ClipperRevival]

Underrated defender

Yeah he was. Long, athletic and mobile, nice traits to have for a big. He utterly sh*ts on guys like Blake or Love as a defender. Could play the 4 and 5, give you some rim protection and defend the P&R well and just cover a lot of ground.

[Yoshi]

It is just a double on the dribbler and a rotating post defender. As you can see, it is most utilized against the pick and pop with big offensive players that can't shoot. The post defender rotating is good to stop if there is actual role, but the problem is this does always leave somebody open. Good shooting and passing teams (ala Spurs and Warriors) would pick apart this over simplified defensive scheme.

[aj1987]

Underrated defender
Badly utilized. I know that I've criticized him a lot, but he is what he is. A darn good PF defender, who is also soft AF. He's one of the more mobile defenders at the PF in the history of the game. IF the Heat had a decent center, Miami would've RAPED the league. Look at what we did with Birdman.

[swagga]

That Miami Heat team was a very good defensive team. They were very entertaining in the open court.

very good but flawed, severely lacked a good defensive center, and that's why they had to over switch.

[Lebron23]

very good but flawed, severely lacked a good defensive center, and that's why they had to over switch.


Current Hassan Whiteside would have been the perfect Center of that team.

[ClipperRevival]

I sort of disagree about a great defensive C. What made the Heat and the Bulls so devastating was their OFF THE CHARTS ATHLETICISM at the 2, 3 and 4. A traditional, rim protecting big would've slowed down the team AND clogged up the paint for their rim attackers. With Bosh playing the 4/5, it meant the paint wasn't clogged and they had the athleticism to run and just be much more mobile and athletic. Bosh was huge defensively for that team. It might not show in the box score or stats but he was.

Sure, a guy like Whiteside would provide better rim protection but he would be bad at covering the P&R, would clog up the paint offensively and would slow them down. Bosh was what they needed.

[Yoshi]

^ :applause:

[aj1987]

I sort of disagree about a great defensive C. What made the Heat and the Bulls so devastating was their OFF THE CHARTS ATHLETICISM at the 2, 3 and 4. A traditional, rim protecting big would've slowed down the team AND clogged up the paint for their rim attackers. With Bosh playing the 4/5, it meant the paint wasn't clogged and they had the athleticism to run and just be much more mobile and athletic. Bosh was huge defensively for that team. It might not show in the box score or stats but he was.

Sure, a guy like Whiteside would provide better rim protection but he would be bad at covering the P&R, would clog up the paint offensively and would slow them down. Bosh was what they needed.
Joel Anthony. Chris Andersen. Dude's were the starting C's. There's a reason why Miami went a streak with Andersen playing damn good defense. Do you even remember what happened when Bosh was guarding the opposing C's? Dude was scoring 18 points, but was giving up 20 on the other end.

[Mass Debator]

IF the Heat had a decent center, Miami would've RAPED the league. Look at what we did with Birdman.
Birdman was a great pick up but he was rendered kind of useless against the Spurs. He was huge against the Pacers though.

The best pick up was Shane Battier. Defended the best players whenever called upon so Bosh, Lebron, or Wade could rest. Starting from the 3 game losing streak to the Celtics (game 6), he ended up shooting 54% from three in 6 tries the rest of the way to the championship. Then, he went 9 of 12 from three in the last 2 pivotal games against the Spurs in 2013. Battier made the Heat a lot more versatile and his clutch shooting was a big bonus. May be one of the most forgotten players in 10 years.

[ClipperRevival]

Joel Anthony. Chris Andersen. Dude's were the starting C's. There's a reason why Miami went a streak with Andersen playing damn good defense. Do you even remember what happened when Bosh was guarding the opposing C's? Dude was scoring 18 points, but was giving up 20 on the other end.

Like I said, at their core, the Heat and Bulls were built on their off the charts athleticism at the 2, 3 and 4. That meant they were a transition team anytime the opportunity was there. They were amazing at going from D to O because of this. In theory, a traditional, rim protecting big would've slowed them down on BOTH ends. If you don't agree, that's fine.

[ClipperRevival]

Birdman was a great pick up but he was rendered kind of useless against the Spurs. He was huge against the Pacers though.

The best pick up was Shane Battier. Defended the best players whenever called upon so Bosh, Lebron, or Wade could rest. Starting from the 3 game losing streak to the Celtics (game 6), he ended up shooting 54% from three in 6 tries the rest of the way to the championship. Then, he went 9 of 12 from three in the last 2 pivotal games against the Spurs in 2013. Battier made the Heat a lot more versatile and his clutch shooting was a big bonus. May be one of the most forgotten players in 10 years.

Definitely. The type of role player that almost every championship team has. Just willing to do all of the little things that don't show up on the stat sheets. Let's not forget his ability to draw charges.

[Yoshi]

Joel Anthony. Chris Andersen. Dude's were the starting C's. There's a reason why Miami went a streak with Andersen playing damn good defense. Do you even remember what happened when Bosh was guarding the opposing C's? Dude was scoring 18 points, but was giving up 20 on the other end.
Birdman didn't clog the paint though. He stood baseline to the side, and just ran in occasionally for the easy bucket when his defender was distracted by providing help D on the rim attackers like LeBron and Wade. He may not have clogged the paint, but his athleticism kept him in the play by standing 10 feet outside of the play until needed.

[Mass Debator]

Definitely. The type of role player that almost every championship team has. Just willing to do all of the little things that don't show up on the stat sheets. Let's not forget his ability to draw charges.
Definitely. He even motivated Lebron and Wade trying to take some charges...they weren't exactly pretty though. He had the heart and tenacity of a champion. The Heat lucked out.

[Mass Debator]

Birdman didn't clog the paint though. He stood baseline to the side, and just ran in occasionally for the easy bucket when his defender was distracted by providing help D on the rim attackers like LeBron and Wade. He may not have clogged the paint, but his athleticism kept him in the play by standing 10 feet outside of the play until needed.
And don't forget Birdman can actually catch and jump so the potential alleyoop gave Wade and Lebron a bit more room to operate after his screen and rolls.

[aj1987]

Like I said, at their core, the Heat and Bulls were built on their off the charts athleticism at the 2, 3 and 4. That meant they were a transition team anytime the opportunity was there. They were amazing at going from D to O because of this. In theory, a traditional, rim protecting big would've slowed them down on BOTH ends. If you don't agree, that's fine.
Slow AF Birdman didn't slow down the Heat. That's a fact. The '13 Heat are among the ATG teams in terms of transition baskets. Those occurred because of the defense, BTW.


Birdman didn't clog the paint though. He stood baseline to the side, and just ran in occasionally for the easy bucket when his defender was distracted by providing help D on the rim attackers like LeBron and Wade. He may not have clogged the paint, but his athleticism kept him in the play by standing 10 feet outside of the play until needed.

:biggums:

Watch the games, dude. Dude was almost always literally under the basket for the offensive rebound. Besides, Wade AND LeBron actually played with 'lane cloggers'. Wade did in '05 with still an elite Shaq and he wrecked the EC until his injury. He didn't really have any shooters either. LeBron sorta did. He played with out of prime versions of Shaq and Ben and still wrecked. How do you explain that? It's just a myth that LeBron and Wade can only play with stretch 5's.


Also, how TF are you guys forgetting Joel? :oldlol:

[Mirror]

Slow AF Birdman didn't slow down the Heat. That's a fact. The '13 Heat are among the ATG teams in terms of transition baskets. Those occurred because of the defense, BTW.


:biggums:

Watch the games, dude. Dude was almost always literally under the basket for the offensive rebound. Besides, Wade AND LeBron actually played with 'lane cloggers'. Wade did in '05 with still an elite Shaq and he wrecked the EC until his injury. He didn't really have any shooters either. LeBron sorta did. He played with out of prime versions of Shaq and Ben and still wrecked. How do you explain that? It's just a myth that LeBron and Wade can only play with stretch 5's.


Also, how TF are you guys forgetting Joel? :oldlol:
I don't think people forget Joel. They just concede that he was legit terrible.

[aj1987]

I don't think people forget Joel. They just concede that he was legit terrible.
:oldlol:



I meant in the context of him fitting into the Heat's 'spacing'.

[FKAri]

I sort of disagree about a great defensive C. What made the Heat and the Bulls so devastating was their OFF THE CHARTS ATHLETICISM at the 2, 3 and 4. A traditional, rim protecting big would've slowed down the team AND clogged up the paint for their rim attackers. With Bosh playing the 4/5, it meant the paint wasn't clogged and they had the athleticism to run and just be much more mobile and athletic. Bosh was huge defensively for that team. It might not show in the box score or stats but he was.

Sure, a guy like Whiteside would provide better rim protection but he would be bad at covering the P&R, would clog up the paint offensively and would slow them down. Bosh was what they needed.

Well here's the thing, if you could find 3 or more players who were strong enough to hold post position vs C's, long enough to stop PF and C's from shooting over them and quick enough to keep up laterally with guards, you could switch everything. And with that you'd completely stop paint penetration off of pick and rolls.

The ideal scenario may be a fantasy but the Heat got as close as I've seen in the last two decades.

[swagga]

I don't think people forget Joel. They just concede that he was legit terrible.

worst center on a finals team in league history. Including the 60s and 50s.

[miggyme1]

Badly utilized. I know that I've criticized him a lot, but he is what he is. A darn good PF defender, who is also soft AF. He's one of the more mobile defenders at the PF in the history of the game. IF the Heat had a decent center, Miami would've RAPED the league. Look at what we did with Birdman.


Miami would have been the same team they was without a dominant center......2/4 in the finals.....1 finals win against a young team that was still in diapers (thunder)......and one by a miracle 3 from ray allen.

[aj1987]

Miami would have been the same team they was without a dominant center......2/4 in the finals.....1 finals win against a young team that was still in diapers (thunder)......and one by a miracle 3 from ray allen.
Could say the same about almost EVERY championship team.

'12 - KD was already a 3x scoring champ and it was his 5th year in the league. Ibaka was considered to be a DPOY level player and was in the run. Harden was 6th MOY and was one year removed from getting his own team and being the franchise player. WB was already elite and it was also his 4th year in the league. Sefalosha was also an elite defender. It was not even close to being a "young" team as everyone makes them out to be. 1x first team player, 1x second team player, 1x all-def first team player, and 6th MOY. That's a stacked AF roster.

'13 - You seem to be forgetting Green and Neal getting hot in a historic fashion prior to that. How convenient. Possibly the 2nd greatest shooter makes a catch and shoot 3 and it's miraculous, but Green and Neal making an incredulous about of contested 3's is not? GTFOH. Why are you forgetting LeBron 16 points on 7-10 shooting in the 4th, BTW? That's what got them back into the game and led to LeBron and Allen hitting incredible 3's.

[ClipperRevival]

Slow AF Birdman didn't slow down the Heat. That's a fact. The '13 Heat are among the ATG teams in terms of transition baskets. Those occurred because of the defense, BTW.


:biggums:

Watch the games, dude. Dude was almost always literally under the basket for the offensive rebound. Besides, Wade AND LeBron actually played with 'lane cloggers'. Wade did in '05 with still an elite Shaq and he wrecked the EC until his injury. He didn't really have any shooters either. LeBron sorta did. He played with out of prime versions of Shaq and Ben and still wrecked. How do you explain that? It's just a myth that LeBron and Wade can only play with stretch 5's.


Also, how TF are you guys forgetting Joel? :oldlol:

Birdman was athletic and mobile for a C. He didn't clog the paint. A paint clogger is someone like Gobert, Whiteside and Hibbert.

[aj1987]

Birdman was athletic and mobile for a C. He didn't clog the paint. A paint clogger is someone like Gobert, Whiteside and Hibbert.
Did you even read my post? Birdman was almost always in the paint, waiting for the O rebound. The only way he could actually score was on alley-oops. How is he not a paint clogger. He's pretty much the same as Whiteside, TBH.

[ClipperRevival]

Did you even read my post? Birdman was almost always in the paint, waiting for the O rebound. The only way he could actually score was on alley-oops. How is he not a paint clogger. He's pretty much the same as Whiteside, TBH.

Birdman was a mobile player for a C, far more mobile than Whiteside. He could play P&R, he could get the alley opps and didn't just stand in the paint. Paint cloggers are true bigs like Gobert, Whiteside and Hibbert. The guys who simply lacked mobility.

[WayOfWade]

Birdman was athletic and mobile for a C. He didn't clog the paint. A paint clogger is someone like Gobert, Whiteside and Hibbert.
True about Birdman, however Gobert does not clog the paint like Whiteside and Hibbert do

[Lebron23]

They mirrored the Bulls in a lot of ways. Incredible athleticism at the 2, 3 and 4 and could suffocate you defensively in stretches and shrink the court.

True. That's why Lebron had his best defensive season while playing for the Heat.

[3ball]

Underrated defender

Bosh would be perceived as a Pippen on defense if he played with Jordan, except far better offensively.. yes, Bosh is more naturally talented then Pippen