Scottie Pippen 1991-92 vs. 2015-16 Kawhi Leonard

[Lebron23]

Who do you think was the better player?

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Scottie Pippen

21 ppg on 50.6 FG%, 7.7 rpg, 7.0 apg, 2.0 spg, 1.1 bpg


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Kawhi Leonard Stats

19.9 ppg on 50.6 FG%, 6.7 rpg, 2.5 apg, 0.9 bpg, 1.9 spg,

[3ball]

Kawhi is the better scorer - good midrange and long range shooter and better 1-on-1 ballhandler/moves

Pippen is the better passer, in part because his individual scoring game isn't that great (he can't rely on offensive moves or shooting as much, so he's FORCED to pass more) PLUS he played with the GOAT scorer, which helped his assists... When Pip was #1 option in 1994, he only averaged 22 ppg, the same as 1992, and his assists declined significantly (7.0 in 1992... 5.6 in 1994 without MJ running around off-ball, and Pip had the ball in his hands a lot more).

But Pippen is the better transition player, with the ball or without... However, this doesn't benefit him as much as Kawhi's superior half-court scoring ability, since 80% of all offense is half-court...

Also, the best teams make it very hard to score in the halfcourt in playoffs, which is why Pippen's lack of shooting ability and 1-on-1 moves have resulted in anemic efficiency in many playoff series (1996 Finals - 15 ppg on 34%... pretty much the same in 1998 Finals... 16.9 ppg on 40.8% during entire 1996-1998 playoffs... and MANY series in 1st 3-peat where his efficiency was piss poor).

Now that Kawhi has come into his own as an offensive player and can actually SHOOT with superior 1-on-1 ability, he'll never have such anemic efficiency in any playoff series... Not his this era anyway.. I go with Kawhi over Pippen, pretty much all day.. Pippen's transition game isn't that valuable and his passing game was boosted from playing with the GOAT scorer.

[Im Still Ballin]

Kawhi is the better scorer - good midrange and long range shooter and better 1-on-1 ballhandler/moves

Pippen is the better passer, in part because his individual scoring game isn't that great (he can't rely on offensive moves or shooting as much, so he's FORCED to pass more) PLUS he played with the GOAT scorer, which helped his assists... When Pip was #1 option in 1994, he only averaged 22 ppg, the same as 1992, and his assists declined significantly (7.0 in 1992... 5.6 in 1994 without MJ running around off-ball, and Pip had the ball in his hands a lot more).

But Pippen is the better transition player, with the ball or without... However, this doesn't benefit him as much as Kawhi's superior half-court scoring ability, since 80% of all offense is half-court...

Also, the best teams make it very hard to score in the halfcourt in playoffs, which is why Pippen's lack of shooting ability and 1-on-1 moves have resulted in anemic efficiency in many playoff series (1996 Finals - 15 ppg on 34%... pretty much the same in 1998 Finals... 16.9 ppg on 40.8% during entire 1996-1998 playoffs... and MANY series in 1st 3-peat where his efficiency was piss poor).

Now that Kawhi has come into his own as an offensive player and can actually SHOOT with superior 1-on-1 ability, he'll never have such anemic efficiency in any playoff series... Not his this era anyway.. I go with Kawhi over Pippen, pretty much all day.. Pippen's transition game isn't that valuable and his passing game was boosted from playing with the GOAT scorer.
Who's better

92 Horace Grant

or current Tim Duncan

[Harison]

Pip > Kiwi

[3ball]

Pip > Kiwi
Now that Kawhi has come into his own as an offensive player, let's count how many series he has for the rest of his career where he shoots 34%, or 41% or 36% or 38% or 39% and more.

and let's count how many 3-year stretches in the playoffs where he averages 16.9 ppg on 40.8% (like Pip did in 1996-1998 playoffs).

let's watch and see.. ok?

[Lebron23]

Kawhi is the better scorer - good midrange and long range shooter and better 1-on-1 ballhandler/moves

Pippen is the better passer, in part because his individual scoring game isn't that great (he can't rely on offensive moves or shooting as much, so he's FORCED to pass more) PLUS he played with the GOAT scorer, which helped his assists... When Pip was #1 option in 1994, he only averaged 22 ppg, the same as 1992, and his assists declined significantly (7.0 in 1992... 5.6 in 1994 without MJ running around off-ball, and Pip had the ball in his hands a lot more).

But Pippen is the better transition player, with the ball or without... However, this doesn't benefit him as much as Kawhi's superior half-court scoring ability, since 80% of all offense is half-court...

Also, the best teams make it very hard to score in the halfcourt in playoffs, which is why Pippen's lack of shooting ability and 1-on-1 moves have resulted in anemic efficiency in many playoff series (1996 Finals - 15 ppg on 34%... pretty much the same in 1998 Finals... 16.9 ppg on 40.8% during entire 1996-1998 playoffs... and MANY series in 1st 3-peat where his efficiency was piss poor).

Now that Kawhi has come into his own as an offensive player and can actually SHOOT with superior 1-on-1 ability, he'll never have such anemic efficiency in any playoff series... Not his this era anyway.. I go with Kawhi over Pippen, pretty much all day.. Pippen's transition game isn't that valuable and his passing game was boosted from playing with the GOAT scorer.

The reason Pippen struggled against the Sonics in the 1996 NBA playoffs because he was suffering from nagging tendinitis in his right ankle, and that, together with tendinitis in his knee, and a back problem, forced him to miss a handful of games late in the season.



http://www.nytimes.com/1996/05/05/sports/partly-healthy-wholly-potent-pippen-presents-a-special-challenge-for-the-knicks.html

[Dr Hawk]

I'm going with Pippen. Better all-around game, at least comparable defense

[La Frescobaldi]

Leonard has been able to watch film of Scottie so Leonard

[MEB2kDeez]

Give me Pippen

[jlip]

Pippen

[SugarHill]

"Pippen is the better passer, in part because his individual scoring game isn't that great (he can't rely on offensive moves or shooting as much, so he's FORCED to pass more"

jesus

[3ball]

for all you guys saying pippen, you're probably right, FOR NOW, since Kawhi's career has just gotten started.

but let's wait a few years and see if he gets any more FMVP's... i wonder how many more it would take for you guys to change your mind.

btw, we saw what happened to Pippen when he fortuitously landed alongside the DPOY and goat scoring champ in 1988 - he went from 7 ppg, scrawny, weak rookie and blossomed into 2-way all-pro champion.

too bad we can't see how kawhi would do playing alongside mj for 10 years, especially considering Kawhi can SHOOT from long range and midrange, while also having better 1-on-1 dribbling and moves.

[Genaro]

Kawhi only wishes he had the play making ability Pippen had. Defense and scoring are pretty much a wash.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Pippen.

[Smoke117]

The reason Pippen struggled against the Sonics in the 1996 NBA playoffs because he was suffering from nagging tendinitis in his right ankle, and that, together with tendinitis in his knee, and a back problem, forced him to miss a handful of games late in the season.



http://www.nytimes.com/1996/05/05/sports/partly-healthy-wholly-potent-pippen-presents-a-special-challenge-for-the-knicks.html

Don't bother...he avoids facts that don't fit his agenda like the plague. Also, didn't 3ball say he hasn't even watched basketball in at least a couple of years now? (what would he even know about kawhi then?) That must be true if he thinks Leonard is a better ball handler than Pippen...because Leonard is average at best in that regard. He's good at making quick strong moves to get himself a good look at the basket...but you never want him dribbling too much. Pippen was a far superior slasher off the dribble and ball handler in general.

[Lebron23]

Give me Pippen. I doubt Kiwi is even capable of leading that Bulls team in the 2nd round without an Alpha Player. People are discrediting Pippen's impact. He was just a better player than Kawhi, and a better leader.

[dreamwarrior]

Kawhi's way better imo. Better defense (Pip couldn't stop superstars) and better mid-range game (that was Pip's best offensive weapon). In Pips era Kawhi probably never develops into the player he is today but he'd probably be just as good as Pippen

[Lebron23]

Kawhi's way better imo. Better defense (Pip couldn't stop superstars) and better mid-range game (that was Pip's best offensive weapon). In Pips era Kawhi probably never develops into the player he is today but he'd probably be just as good as Pippen


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9vFHYVXtRk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1YchiFv-5M

You need to watch these videos.

[keep-itreal]

both are mental midgets

[inclinerator]

but 3balls in your mouth, kawhi played in a weak era doesnt he? he would average 10 3 3 in mj's time so pippen>>>

[Smoke117]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9vFHYVXtRk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1YchiFv-5M

You need to watch these videos.

It's embarrassing how little some people know about basketball..."he couldn't stop superstars" he says...nobody can stop superstars...that's why they are superstars. One on one defense is the most overrated defense there is anyway...what made Pippen so dominant and so impactful was when he didn't' have to guard another team's best player and could roam around and create terror as a help/team defender...that's where he was dominant. That's what was destroying the Jazz defense in 97 and 98.

[Micku]

I would take Pippen. He's more of the complete package because of his playmaking ability and he is a point forward. Since this is a 92 Pippen, I think he was better at shooting mid-range jumpers than the year prior and advance in his scoring ability. I don't remember if this was the year he started to post more tho. Pippen seems better in transition too.

Kwahi is a better shooter (better at the mid range, 3pt, FT shooter) and is probably a better scorer. He could post up and spot up better. He isn't that bad of a driver, but he is very good finisher. 75% at the rim. That's some LBJ level of finishing. Also, Kawhi is only playing about 32.5 mins per game. It's both good for his health, but also it may affect his stats.

Defense is a wash. I don't think you could go wrong with either. Although Pippen has more moments of his one on one skills.

[G-train]

Pippen by a significant margin. Prime Pippen is one of the all time greats, was the total package at the point forward position.
Kawhi has a long way to go offensively to reach him.

[feyki]

Pippen - 114 Ortg , %55.5 TS

Kawhi - 122 Ortg , %62 TS

They are close with Pippen's playmaking margin . And 92 season is Pippen's peak season .

90 Pippen vs 16 Kawhi comparison could more fair .