Can a case be made that Lebron has never been the best player for any season his...

[nathanjizzle]

his entire career? Doesnt have to necessarily be the best player per season, just a player that was better than him that season. this is what i got.

04-
05-
06-Wade
07-
08-kobe
09-
10-
11-Rose, Dirk, Howard, Wade
12-
13-
14-KD
15-Curry
16-Curry

[nathanjizzle]

also, if there were multiple players you thought were better than him that year, please list them all.

[All Net]

no

and :oldlol: @ Rose being better in 2011

would argue he has been the best since 2008

[dubeta]

enjoy the ban

[dunksby]

He has been better than Rose in every season though.

[plowking]

Bron was better than Curry last year, and only Dirk and Howard have a case in 2011. Aside from that, good list. Kobe was better in 07 too though. And Kobe>Wade in 06.

[nathanjizzle]

no

and :oldlol: @ Rose being better in 2011

would argue he has been the best since 2008

clutch game record for both players that year.

rose- 30-10 75%

lebron - 23-16 59%

[sportjames23]

enjoy the ban

Reported

[dubeta]

6%

Agreed, Rose got stuffed by leKing

[tsforthrees]

Melo>Lebitch rookie year

[nathanjizzle]

updated list.

04-Melo
05-
06-Wade, Kobe
07-Kobe
08-Kobe
09-
10-
11-Rose, Dirk, Howard, Wade
12-
13-
14-KD
15-Curry
16-Curry

[All Net]

clutch game record for both players that year.

rose- 30-10 75%

lebron - 23-16 59%
who Cares? Rose wasn

[nathanjizzle]

who Cares? Rose wasn’t better at all than Lebron in any year.

so presented with telling stats, your rebuttal is "who cares" ? :roll: rose played better than lebron. against elite teams, his production was better, his record was better. lebron that season had a losing record against elite teams, while rose had won 9 straight at one point. but anyhow, his name is "lebron" so he must have been better right? :facepalm i guess people forgot how he would disappear in the 4th quarters that season.

[catch24]

LeBron was definitely the best player in 2012 and 2013.

Don't even think its arguable, tbh

[ImKobe]

he has some years he was undoubtedly the best stats-wise but you can make a case that he came up short in the POS some of those yrs but IMO can't deny him 2013...amazing regular season great finish to the POs.

[k0kakw0rld]

Melo>Lebitch rookie year
A wise man told me don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can't tell who's who...

2>0

[nathanjizzle]

LeBron was definitely the best player in 2012 and 2013.

Don't even think its arguable, tbh

what about kd?

[Genaro]

12 and 13 he was better than anyone else, no debate here. 2011 he was prob the best too, just didn't bring it in the Finals. Last year is debatable but I think Harden, Curry and WB had better RS.
Before 2011 I have at least Kobe being better than him every year.

[All Net]

so presented with telling stats, your rebuttal is "who cares" ? :roll: rose played better than lebron. against elite teams, his production was better, his record was better. lebron that season had a losing record against elite teams, while rose had won 9 straight at one point. but anyhow, his name is "lebron" so he must have been better right? :facepalm i guess people forgot how he would disappear in the 4th quarters that season.
Who cares about some meaningless clutch stat which likely isn

[nathanjizzle]

updated list.

04-Melo
05-
06-Wade, Kobe
07-Kobe
08-Kobe
09-
10-
11-Rose, Dirk, Howard, Wade
12-
13-Lebron?
14-KD
15-Curry
16-Curry

[tsforthrees]

A wise man told me don't argue with fools, cause people from a distance can see who's who...

2>0

I can't even begin to describe how much better this world would be without little shits with Deron Williams avatars hiding behind platitudes all day, and arguing the wrong ****ing points. Get lost you sorry ass lump of shit. Go sweat into a headband like your false god.

[Mr. Jabbar]

of course

04-Kobe
05-Kobe
06-Kobe
07-Kobe
08-Kobe
09-Kobe
10-Kobe
11-Dirk
12-Joey
13-Allen
14-KD
15-Curry
16-Curry

[nathanjizzle]

[QUOTE=All Net]Who cares about some meaningless clutch stat which likely isn

[All Net]

im not going to argue with you if you are not willing to acknowledge proof.
What proof? The only stat you mention is clutch stat..hmmm I wonder why that is? You

[nathanjizzle]

What proof? The only stat you mention is clutch stat..hmmm I wonder why that is? You’re only argument is some pointless clutch stat? really?

pointless? because leading your team to victory in close games is pointless and "doesnt matter". what matters is if you can fill the stat sheets against mediocre teams right? Do you have a brain? forget roses record, look at lebrons clutch record the 2 years prior that year and 2 years after and its obvious in 2011 when rose won mvp that lebrons 59% was his worst year for leading his team to victory in those close games.

09' 24-7
77.4%

10' 32-9
78.0%

11' -23-16
59%

12' 15-10
60.0%

13' 27-6
81.8%



so again. rose - 75% vs 59%. but lebron was better? HA........HA

[PsychoBe]

how was bron better than rose in 2011 when rose lead a team of scrubs to the ecf? :facepalm

give rose wade and bosh he would had been in the finals and possibly winning a championship.

[Wade's Rings]

@OP Bron was for sure the best in '12 & '13. Factoring in the Playoffs I'd give Bron '09 as well.

In '05 I'd argue Duncan/Wade as the best players.

In '04 Garnett was the best Player.

[nathanjizzle]

updated list.

04-Melo, Garnett
05-Duncan, Wade
06-Wade, Kobe
07-Kobe
08-Kobe
09-Lebron?
10-
11-Rose, Dirk, Howard, Wade
12-Lebron?
13-Lebron*
14-KD
15-Curry
16-Curry

[Wade's Rings]

updated list.

04-Melo, Garnett
05-Duncan, Wade
06-Wade, Kobe
07-Kobe
08-Kobe
09-Lebron?
10-
11-Rose, Dirk, Howard, Wade
12-Lebron?
13-Lebron*
14-KD
15-Curry
16-Curry

Melo has 0 case over '04 Garnett just remove him. In '07 Duncan can be argued as the best player. In '10 I would put Kobe/Wade.

[dubeta]

2006-2016 - LeBron

10 year period as unquestionable #1 in the world


The haters are fuming :lol

[Bankaii]

how was bron better than rose in 2011 when rose lead a team of scrubs to the ecf? :facepalm

give rose wade and bosh he would had been in the finals and possibly winning a championship.
Kobetards are an elite kind of retarded.

[aj1987]

clutch game record for both players that year.

rose- 30-10 75%

lebron - 23-16 59%
4-1, jizzboy.

EDIT: Not to mention the 43% TS.

EDIT 2:

'04 - KG
'05 - Wade
'06 - Kobe
'07 - Kobe
'08 - LeBron
'09 - LeBron
'10 - LeBron
'11 - LeBron/Dwight/Wade
'12 - LeBron
'13 - LeBron
'14 - KD
'15 - Curry

[stalkerforlife]

4-1, jizzboy.

EDIT: Not to mention the 43% TS.

EDIT 2:

'04 - KG
'05 - Wade
'06 - Kobe
'07 - Kobe
'08 - LeBron
'09 - LeBron
'10 - LeBron
'11 - LeBron/Dwight/Wade
'12 - LeBron
'13 - LeBron
'14 - KD
'15 - Curry

Pretending to be a Heat fan to seem objective regarding Bran.

Not a good look. :lol

[SexSymbol]

I think 2012 is the only year where he's been the best player on the planet and only because Durant fell off after the first two games in the finals.
06-10 it's quite clearly Kobe
11 is Dirk, also clear as a day, second would be Wade. Even Howard has a case
12 - bron
13 - probably bron, but KD was on the same level.
14- KD
15- Curry
16- Curry

[outbreak]

his entire career? Doesnt have to necessarily be the best player per season, just a player that was better than him that season. this is what i got.

04-
05-
06-Wade
07-
08-kobe
09-
10-
11-Rose, Dirk, Howard, Wade
12-
13-
14-KD
15-Curry
16-Curry
http://browncardigan.com/imagesfarm/2016/1HFmIRHH8xxhnRJ.gif

[aj1987]

Pretending to be a Heat fan to seem objective regarding Bran.

Not a good look. :lol
Why would I care what complete and utter morons on this board, who I'll never meet IRL (thank god!) think about me?

[dhsilv]

updated list.

04-Melo, Garnett
05-Duncan, Wade
06-Wade, Kobe
07-Kobe
08-Kobe
09-Lebron?
10-
11-Rose, Dirk, Howard, Wade
12-Lebron?
13-Lebron*
14-KD
15-Curry
16-Curry

This makes very little sense to me. We can start with 06. Lebron had better regular season box score stats than Kobe and went further in the playoffs. If you value the playoffs more, then yes Wade gets it there. If you're not a huge playoffs matter more guy, Lebron likely wins.

07 I have again zero idea what you're going on to rank Kobe over Lebron. Lebron made the finals and had better stats. He was a monster in the playoffs and beat some pretty good competition in doing so. Now if you want you could possibly rank Duncan over Lebron that year, Duncan had a sneaky great season and better playoffs. Still that was an all time great run by Lebron.

If we're going by regular season stats 08 there is a case for Chris Paul over Lebron. And paul's playoff stats are absurdly great two all be it in two rounds. But again if you have Kobe here it's because of the title, not his regular season alone (unless you buy into his MVP wasn't a life time achievement award), and thus you can't tell me Kobe was better than Duncan or Lebron in 07.

09 Lebron was insane, maybe the best playoff run ever by a guy who didn't make the finals. Regular season only maybe you make another case for Chris Paul.

10 I don't really think of anyone being a signature player that year. Wade was great but not enough. Laker's were deep and balanced. Same with the celtics. Unless I'm missing someone?

11 This was a strong year. Dirk was great. Howard was a defensive monster. But Lebron was still the best regular season guy and had that crap finals. I'm fine with Dirk here. Howard...I saw all the hype but I must admit I never bought into it.

From just a raw box score stats perspective and regular season only lebron was unquestionably the best from 09-13 and 08 he only missed on ws/48, but still lead the league in WS, VORP, and PER (and likely a lot of other methods for calculating the stats). He still makes a strong case as best stats guy in 06 and 07 (all be it his stats did dip in 07 regular season, but again he made the finals). The only guys who have stat dominance like this was Karee, Wilt, and Jordan. There's nobody else in that conversation.

[Gileraracer]

he was the best flopper for 10 straight years. thats about it

[Prime_Shaq]

A case can be made for him from 2008 till now but the players I would take over him are

2009 Wade
2014 Durant
2015 Curry

[dubeta]

A case can be made for him from 2008 till now but the players I would take over him are

2009 Wade
2014 Durant
2015 Curry


Curry wasn't better than LeBron last year :roll:

[raprap]

LeBron was the best player in

2008 (kobe and bron are 1a, 1b imo)
2009 (bron and wade are 1a, 1b imo)
2010
2011 (howard and dirk has a case)
2012
2013
2015 (westbrook and curry has a case)

Durant was the best in 2014 imo
2016 is Currys no doubt

He's been playing at an all time great level since 06, 10 years of dominance is amazing. I dont think he's gonna slow down anytime soon too :bowdown:

[HurricaneKid]

No, but you can certainly argue Kobe never was.

[ImKobe]

LeBron was the best player in

2008 (kobe and bron are 1a, 1b imo)
2009 (bron and wade are 1a, 1b imo)
2010
2011 (howard and dirk has a case)
2012
2013
2015 (westbrook and curry has a case)

Durant was the best in 2014 imo
2016 is Currys no doubt

He's been playing at an all time great level since 06, 10 years of dominance is amazing. I dont think he's gonna slow down anytime soon too :bowdown:

2011 he was definitely not the best player in the league. He had an underwhelming regular season and a very disappointing playoff run (Wade had better way better Finals and arguably better numbers for the whole Playoff run)

2015 There's no way he had a better overall year than Curry. His jump shooting was TERRIBLE in the Playoffs, which would not be a big deal if about half of his scoring output didn't come from terrible shot selection from mid-range.

[aj1987]

2011 he was definitely not the best player in the league. He had an underwhelming regular season and a very disappointing playoff run (Wade had better way better Finals and arguably better numbers for the whole Playoff run)

2015 There's no way he had a better overall year than Curry. His jump shooting was TERRIBLE in the Playoffs, which would not be a big deal if about half of his scoring output didn't come from terrible shot selection from mid-range.
:biggums: :biggums:

Except the Finals, dude was balling in '11 and was really good defensively as well.

RS - 27/8/7/2/1 on 59% TS
1st Round - 24/11/6/1/1 on 59% TS
ECSF - 28/8/4/2/2 on 55% TS
ECF - 26/8/7/2/2 on 58% TS

'15 is a pointless and endless argument.

[raprap]

2011 he was definitely not the best player in the league. He had an underwhelming regular season and a very disappointing playoff run (Wade had better way better Finals and arguably better numbers for the whole Playoff run)

2015 There's no way he had a better overall year than Curry. His jump shooting was TERRIBLE in the Playoffs, which would not be a big deal if about half of his scoring output didn't come from terrible shot selection from mid-range.
I felt he's 2011 run was really over shadowed by his terrible Finals performance. To each there own I guess.

Looking back at last year, he had a terrible start and really picked it up late in the year and in the playoffs. I got to give him props for carrying the cavs deep in the playoffs and winning two games in the finals. You may have a case here because he's J really sucked last year. Still a great year nonetheless.

[DMV2]

I felt he's 2011 run was really over shadowed by his terrible Finals performance. To each there own I guess.

Looking back at last year, he had a terrible start and really picked it up late in the year and in the playoffs. I got to give him props for carrying the cavs deep in the playoffs and winning two games in the finals. You may have a case here because he's J really sucked last year. Still a great year nonetheless.
It def was overshadowed by his shitty Finals showing. 2011 - dirk was extremely efficient but he also wasn't out there trying to get MVP-like numbers, so personally i wouldn't say he has a case because of that. too reserved i guess. We all know how some feel about Rose's MVP. Comes down to Dwight and LeBron. LeBron played 4 series, first three were great, while Dwight was great in the first round, he didn't advance- not his fault though. From overall standpoint, LeBron does have the best case for best player in 2011.

I mean, Billups, Parker, Pierce all had Finals MVP performances but I never heard anybody said they were the best player in 2004, 2007, 2008 respectively.

[raprap]

It def was overshadowed by his shitty Finals showing. 2011 - dirk was extremely efficient but he also wasn't out there trying to get MVP-like numbers, so personally i wouldn't say he has a case because of that. too reserved i guess. We all know how some feel about Rose's MVP. Comes down to Dwight and LeBron. LeBron played 4 series, first three were great, while Dwight was great in the first round, he didn't advance- not his fault though. From overall standpoint, LeBron does have the best case for best player in 2011.
2011 Dwight was a beast. The whole "dwightmare" and injuries really hurt his progression.

[SouBeachTalents]

There's zero case to be made to rank anyone above LeBron in '12 & '13. OP is just butthurt LeBron's kicked the Bulls ass to the curb 4 times in the last 6 seasons

[Lebron23]

There's zero case to be made to rank anyone above LeBron in '12 & '13. OP is just butthurt LeBron's kicked the Bulls ass to the curb 4 times in the last 6 seasons


This


It def was overshadowed by his shitty Finals showing. 2011 - dirk was extremely efficient but he also wasn't out there trying to get MVP-like numbers, so personally i wouldn't say he has a case because of that. too reserved i guess. We all know how some feel about Rose's MVP. Comes down to Dwight and LeBron. LeBron played 4 series, first three were great, while Dwight was great in the first round, he didn't advance- not his fault though. From overall standpoint, LeBron does have the best case for best player in 2011.

I mean, Billups, Parker, Pierce all had Finals MVP performances but I never heard anybody said they were the best player in 2004, 2007, 2008 respectively.


This. Great posts. Might rep today.

[Dragonyeuw]

2009 and 2010 you will get some people argue for Wade and Kobe, 2009 in particular was probably the only season where all 3 were at or near peak/prime levels of play. But I see absolutely no-one you could possibly argue for as even being in the discussion in 2012 and 2013.

[CelticBaller]

Melo has 0 case over '04 Garnett just remove him. In '07 Duncan can be argued as the best player. In '10 I would put Kobe/Wade.
Go on easy on OP. He started watching ball when Rose was drafted

Anyways since 2009 nobody has been better than LeBron. Simple

[Kingwillball]

2007-2014 lebron had it on lockdown this season is first season Since that span there is an argument and guess what he is still a better all around player than curry anyway lol..

[ShawkFactory]

No one has a case in 12 or 13.

IMO, he has the best case in 10 as well.

[nathanjizzle]

:biggums: :biggums:

Except the Finals, dude was balling in '11 and was really good defensively as well.

RS - 27/8/7/2/1 on 59% TS
1st Round - 24/11/6/1/1 on 59% TS
ECSF - 28/8/4/2/2 on 55% TS
ECF - 26/8/7/2/2 on 58% TS

'15 is a pointless and endless argument.

11' was one of his worst years as a leader. look at his clutch game records compared to 11'. He also had a losing record playing against elite teams that year. and hes on a stacked team with 2 other superstars:facepalm

09' 24-7
77.4%

10' 32-9
78.0%

11' -23-16
59%

12' 15-10
60.0%

13' 27-6
81.8%

[aj1987]

11' was one of his worst years as a leader. look at his clutch game records compared to 11'. He also had a losing record playing against elite teams that year. and hes on a stacked team with 2 other superstars:facepalm

09' 24-7
77.4%

10' 32-9
78.0%

11' -23-16
59%

12' 15-10
60.0%

13' 27-6
81.8%
You want to post stats from the PO's? Specifically the ECF.

Also, did your dumbass say that '04 Melo and KG were equal?! :facepalm

[SouBeachTalents]

11' was one of his worst years as a leader. look at his clutch game records compared to 11'. He also had a losing record playing against elite teams that year. and hes on a stacked team with 2 other superstars:facepalm

09' 24-7
77.4%

10' 32-9
78.0%

11' -23-16
59%

12' 15-10
60.0%

13' 27-6
81.8%

LeBron's 12th best season > Rose's best season

And the year Rose won MVP LeBron humiliated him in the playoffs

[Lebron23]

Lebron's been the best player in the league from 2006 to 2014. That's a solid 9 years run.

[SugarHill]

Still don't see the argument for kobe in 09 or 10

[pegasus]

12 and 13 he was better than anyone else, no debate here. 2011 he was prob the best too, just didn't bring it in the Finals. Last year is debatable but I think Harden, Curry and WB had better RS.
Before 2011 I have at least Kobe being better than him every year.
2011 is also the same year he struggled mightily to finish the close regular season games. He had like 9-10 missed game winning/tying attempts in a row (lost the ball, got blocked, missed a shot, etc.). There was a loooong gif of those plays that entertained all of us the entire year, and then he had the biggest chokejob of all time in the finals. Dirk, Rose, Howard were easily better that year.

[Lebron23]

2011 is also the same year he struggled mightily to finish the close regular season games. He had like 9-10 missed game winning/tying attempts in a row (lost the ball, got blocked, missed a shot, etc.). There was a loooong gif of those plays that entertained all of us the entire year, and then he had the biggest chokejob of all time in the finals. Dirk, Rose, Howard were easily better that year.

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[CelticBaller]

Still don't see the argument for kobe in 09 or 10
Lebron put 28 7 7 in 09 then 29 7 8 in 10 on near 50% from the field

Who the **** has a better argument? Wade in 09 maybe?

[AirBonner]

his entire career? Doesnt have to necessarily be the best player per season, just a player that was better than him that season. this is what i got.

04-
05-
06-Wade
07-
08-kobe
09-
10-
11-Rose, Dirk, Howard, Wade
12-
13-
14-KD
15-Curry
16-Curry
No. You are simply naming players on wishful thinking.

[SugarHill]

Lebron put 28 7 7 in 09 then 29 7 8 in 10 on near 50% from the field

Who the **** has a better argument? Wade in 09 maybe?
Only kobe stans dispute lebron being the best in the game in 09 ad 10. Wade was clearly better than kobe in 09 too

[Bankaii]

2011 he was definitely not the best player in the league. He had an underwhelming regular season and a very disappointing playoff run (Wade had better way better Finals and arguably better numbers for the whole Playoff run)

2015 There's no way he had a better overall year than Curry. His jump shooting was TERRIBLE in the Playoffs, which would not be a big deal if about half of his scoring output didn't come from terrible shot selection from mid-range.
Do you have any substance to support this bullshit?

2011 was amazing, except for one series. Did you even watch the ecsf?

2015 Bron with a broken jumped still put up better numbers that anyone else in the league. Gtfo

[miggyme1]

stats don't tell everything though. The eye test!!!!!!!!!!!


players might have had better seasons but look at what LeBron did with shitty talent...07 finals???? melo couldn't even get to the finals with a semi stacked nuggets team in 2009. ok ok ok east was weaker than the west. YOU GOT ME PAL

[dubeta]

Do you have any substance to support this bullshit?

2011 was amazing, except for one series. Did you even watch the ecsf?

2015 Bron with a broken jumped still put up better numbers that anyone else in the league. Gtfo


If we nitpicked as much as ImKobe, we could easily argue Kobe wasn't even a Top 5 player at any point in his career :oldlol:

[Wiltside]

He is clear cut #1 in 2012. Nobody else even in the conversation that year.