Kareem: Duncan had a better career than Kobe

[sportjames23]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIRr6C62Hzk&t=74m22s

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[SAKOTXA]

Reasoning... "I would say Tim Duncan had a better career because they won more consistently and didn't have to use Tim as much." :oldlol: :oldlol:

The guy just called a HOF player and a guy that had one of the most legendary runs in NBA history in 2011 a one trick pony. Great player, he did a lot for my Lakers, but it's easy to see why he's not respected around the league and specifically by the Lakers management. Old man has lost it.

[ImKobe]

Reasoning... "I would say Tim Duncan had a better career because they won more consistently and didn't have to use Tim as much." :oldlol: :oldlol:

The guy just called a HOF player and a guy that had one of the most legendary runs in NBA history in 2011 a one trick pony. Great player, he did a lot for my Lakers, but it's easy to see why he's not respected around the league and specifically by the Lakers management. Old man has lost it.

It's just him being biased since Duncan is a big man who's quiet much like Kareem himself was. Duncan would be sitting on 3 rings if his teams relied on him as much as the Lakers relied on Kobe. You look at their careers and you see that Duncan's minutes started to drop during his prime years while Kobe was being forced to play 38-48 minutes a game at the age of 34 just so that his team could make the Playoffs because they were starting D-league scrubs and had no bench... Tim's fortunate to have Pop for his entire career and 2 HOFs he's played with for over half of his career, not to mention him getting a guy who already has a Finals MVP and the DPOY award + his team replacing Tiago Splitter with a 20/10 big who was regarded as a top 10/15 player the last few years...

Remember the good old days when Spurs fans were crying about how Kobe always had help and great teams :oldlol: :oldlol:, I'd love to see how successful Duncan would have been with the same rosters from 05-16.

[pastis]

wtf? the reasoning is just bizarre. seriously.

duncan ist better because the spurs won more without relying on him?
thats just one of the worst arguments to put duncan above kobe i ever heard. in fact, this should be an argument to put duncan below kobe.

[Dr Hawk]

wtf? the reasoning is just bizarre. seriously.

duncan ist better because the spurs won more without relying on him?
thats just one of the worst arguments to put duncan above kobe i ever heard. in fact, this should be an argument to put duncan below kobe.

This

[DMV2]

wtf? the reasoning is just bizarre. seriously.

duncan ist better because the spurs won more without relying on him?
thats just one of the worst arguments to put duncan above kobe i ever heard. in fact, this should be an argument to put duncan below kobe.
Spurs success last 5 seasons doesn't erase how great Duncan was during his first 4 rings that accompanied with 3 FMVPs and 2 MVPs. Especially his 1999 and 2003 rings, when he had old D-Rob, later last season D-Rob, rookie Parker and sophomore Manu. Still better than Kobe at being a #1 option.

And yeah, Kareem's answer didnt make sense at all. Dude isn't as articulate as he's presented to be. Or maybe he's gotten really really old and out of touch.

[raprap]

He's right.

Kobe's a more polarizing player tho

[ImKobe]

Spurs success last 5 seasons doesn't erase how great Duncan was during his first 4 rings that accompanied with 3 FMVPs and 2 MVPs. Especially his 1999 and 2003 rings, when he had old D-Rob, later last season D-Rob, rookie Parker and sophomore Manu. Still better than Kobe at being a #1 option.

And yeah, Kareem's answer didnt make sense at all. Dude isn't as articulate as he's presented to be. Or maybe he's gotten really really old and out of touch.

Duncan is a better first option on offense than Kobe? :roll: :roll: :roll:

peak year being 25.5 ppg in 40.6 minutes a game, shooting 4-5% better than Kobe with over half of his shots being assisted for his career. Not to mention his mid-range shot never being as good as Kobe's despite him getting to catch and shoot wide open 10-16 ft jumpers while Kobe took fadeaways and still shot in the 43-51% range on those shots vs Duncan peaking at 45% (not even taking volume into account).

Someone should slap your silly ass. Look at their shooting numbers outside 3 ft of the basket :oldlol:

[DMV2]

Duncan is a better first option on offense than Kobe? :roll: :roll: :roll:

peak year being 25.5 ppg in 40.6 minutes a game, shooting 4-5% better than Kobe with over half of his shots being assisted for his career. Not to mention his mid-range shot never being as good as Kobe's despite him getting to catch and shoot wide open 10-16 ft jumpers while Kobe took fadeaways and still shot in the 43-51% range on those shots vs Duncan peaking at 45% (not even taking volume into account).

Someone should slap your silly ass. Look at their shooting numbers outside 3 ft of the basket :oldlol:
4 rings, 3 FMVP and 2 MVP > 2 rings, 2 FMVP and 1 MVP

You Kobetards been doing 5 rangz for the past 5 year why now all the sudden ya'll getting analytic and shit. Cuz you know damn well that "5 rangz" shit don't hold up anymore. :roll:

[Wiltside]

4 rings, 3 FMVP and 2 MVP > 2 rings, 2 FMVP and 1 MVP

You Kobetards been doing 5 rangz for the past 5 year why now all the sudden ya'll getting analytic and shit. Cuz you know damn well that "5 rangz" shit don't hold up anymore. :roll:
Duncan has 5 rings, not 4.

[Lebron23]

Water is Wet.

[DMV2]

Duncan has 5 rings, not 4.
we were talking about as clearcut #1 option.

2014 Spurs didnt really have a #1 option guy.

[Duffy Pratt]

He is saying that Kobe wore out his body, and so stopped being a force in his later years. Duncan, because he was not relied on as much, remains a force even as an old man. This, in his opinion, Duncan has had the better career. Career takes into account effectiveness on a good team over a long period. I think the point is arguable, but what Kareem is saying makes sense. And it's not surprising, because it's probably how he evaluates his Laker years as well.

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Water is Wet.

:oldlol:

[aj1987]

Duncan is a better first option on offense than Kobe? :roll: :roll: :roll:

peak year being 25.5 ppg in 40.6 minutes a game, shooting 4-5% better than Kobe with over half of his shots being assisted for his career. Not to mention his mid-range shot never being as good as Kobe's despite him getting to catch and shoot wide open 10-16 ft jumpers while Kobe took fadeaways and still shot in the 43-51% range on those shots vs Duncan peaking at 45% (not even taking volume into account).

Someone should slap your silly ass. Look at their shooting numbers outside 3 ft of the basket :oldlol:
Kobe shoots 41% for his career from mid-range. Where are you getting your numbers from? The best he ever shot from mid-range was 45% in '10.

[toxicxr6]

Kobe shoots 41% for his career from mid-range. Where are you getting your numbers from? The best he ever shot from mid-range was 45% in '10.


This is the life of a Kobe stan..
Make up stats to prop up Kobe and hope no one catches them out...

That's the only arguement they have left now...

[Magic 32]

He also said that Dirk was a one trick pony.

:hammerhead:

[dubeta]

There are many players who had better careers than Kobe


He's only the 18th best player in NBA history after all

[Lebron23]

3 > 2 Finals MVP
2 > 1 NBA MVP
Spurs never missed the playoffs in the Duncan Era
And at the age of 40 yrs.old he's anchoring the best defense in the league

[Dragonyeuw]

The 'Duncan had a better career because they didn't have to rely on him as much' logic escapes me.

[Magic 32]

4-2 head to head.

Never suffered the indignity of "winning" bronze for the United States.

Shame on those players by the way.

[DMV2]

3 > 2 Finals MVP
2 > 1 NBA MVP
Spurs never missed the playoffs in the Duncan Era
And at the age of 40 yrs.old he's anchoring the best defense in the league
This.

By the way, LeBron23....I've officially joined the LeBron Family as of this week. Rooting for Big Bron to get a title this season. :rockon:

[Lebron23]

This.

By the way, LeBron23....I've officially joined the LeBron Family as of this week. Rooting for Big Bron to get a title this season. :rockon:


:cheers: :rockon: :applause:

[Showtime2001]

Cool video.

Kobe > Duncan.

[Dr Hawk]

Kobe shoots 41% for his career from mid-range. Where are you getting your numbers from? The best he ever shot from mid-range was 45% in '10.

Kobe is a career .439% shooter form 10-16 ft

[Bandito]

Kobe shoots 41% for his career from mid-range. Where are you getting your numbers from? The best he ever shot from mid-range was 45% in '10.
:biggums:


FG%: 44.9

2P%: 48%


Where did you get that 41%????


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

[HOoopCityJones]

:biggums:


FG%: 44.9

2P%: 48%


Where did you get that 41%????


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html


RealGM

[jstern]

He basically boiled down to Duncan has had a better career because he has been healthy longer. He didn't base it on rings, stats, etc. Then in defense of Kobe he said that he put more on his shoulders so wasn't able to sustain his body as long as Duncan.

[miggyme1]

Kobe will go down as the most overrated player to ever play the game. I think people intentionally forget he played with shaq the first 9 years of his career. Kobe could of easily been a tmac or vince carter........having to carry a garbage team year in and year out and never winning a ring And he would have been that if it weren't for shaq and pau. FACTS

[Akrazotile]

Kobe will go down as the most overrated player to ever play the game. I think people intentionally forget he played with shaq the first 9 years of his career. Kobe could of easily been a tmac or vince carter........having to carry a garbage team year in and year out and never winning a ring And he would have been that if it weren't for shaq and pau. FACTS


:applause:

[Showtime2001]

Kobe will go down as the most overrated player to ever play the game. I think people intentionally forget he played with shaq the first 9 years of his career. Kobe could of easily been a tmac or vince carter........having to carry a garbage team year in and year out and never winning a ring And he would have been that if it weren't for shaq and pau. FACTS
Meltdown.

[DMV2]

Kobe will go down as the most overrated player to ever play the game. I think people intentionally forget he played with shaq the first 9 years of his career. Kobe could of easily been a tmac or vince carter........having to carry a garbage team year in and year out and never winning a ring And he would have been that if it weren't for shaq and pau. FACTS
realest shit ever wrote.

[La Frescobaldi]

realest shit ever wrote.

It even looked like Kareem was heading that way until the Showtime Lakers showed up. If KAJ had retired about when he planned to he'd have like 1 or 2 rings and a lot less points.
jordan's 1-9 is pretty huge internet joke.... but it really was pretty huge back in the day too.

context is a lot. it's everything tbh

[aj1987]

:biggums:


FG%: 44.9

2P%: 48%


Where did you get that 41%????


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

Kobe is a career .439% shooter form 10-16 ft

Kobe shoots 41% for his career from mid-range. Where are you getting your numbers from? The best he ever shot from mid-range was 45% in '10.

Go to NBA.com. They have the mid-range stats. BTW, the 41% is an approximation. It could be +/- 1%.

[HOoopCityJones]

Go to NBA.com. They have the mid-range stats. BTW, the 41% is an approximation. It could be +/- 1%.


So you just adjusted at 41% just cause? Like Ive said countless times you stat junkies are reaching fraud tier with some of this shit. :lol

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14696299/is-detroit-pistons-isiah-thomas-underrated-overrated-nba

"Yet Thomas' advanced statistics tell a different story."

That article was made for fa9s like you.

[aj1987]

So you just adjusted at 41% just cause? Like Ive said countless times you stat junkies are reaching fraud tier with some of this shit. :lol

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/14696299/is-detroit-pistons-isiah-thomas-underrated-overrated-nba

"Yet Thomas' advanced statistics tell a different story."

That article was made for fa9s like you.
:facepalm :facepalm

I remember posting his mid-range and jumpshot percentages compared LeBron. Just couldn't remember the exact number. It's definitely around 41% and I'm being generous with there being a +1% error.

As I said, go to NBA.com and either calculate his career mid-range %'s or STFU, bitch.

[miggyme1]

It even looked like Kareem was heading that way until the Showtime Lakers showed up. If KAJ had retired about when he planned to he'd have like 1 or 2 rings and a lot less points.
jordan's 1-9 is pretty huge internet joke.... but it really was pretty huge back in the day too.

context is a lot. it's everything tbh


NEGATIVE


Kareem would have won rings with a mookie blaylock....true he needed a good pg but he didn't need MAGIC to win rings. Don't get me wrong...MAGIC made the lakers a dynasty. But you foolish to think kareem needed magic just as much as kobe needed shaq. Stop playing yourself.

[HOoopCityJones]

:facepalm :facepalm

I remember posting his mid-range and jumpshot percentages compared LeBron. Just couldn't remember the exact number. It's definitely around 41% and I'm being generous with there being a +1% error.

As I said, go to NBA.com and either calculate his career mid-range %'s or STFU, bitch.

The point is you're trying to act like that was some accident when it was completely intentional on your part. This is why advanced metrics will always suck ***, you can manipulate the numbers to paint any picture you want. Right now you're using efficiency as the end a be all for why Kobe isn't better than Player A or B.

Ive said this before , if this game is all about stats and efficiency , then Wilt is GOAT better than Jordan. Duncan has no case over Karl Malone. KG etc. aside from accomplishments. :confusedshrug:

Stat whores suck the coc of stats no matter how skewed by their specific criteria and expect a medal for it. :facepalm

I'd like to see you punks be alittle more consistent.

[aj1987]

The point is you're trying to act like that was some accident when it was completely intentional on your part. This is why advanced metrics will always suck ***, you can manipulate the numbers to paint any picture you want. Right now you're using efficiency as the end a be all for why Kobe isn't better than Player A or B.

Ive said this before , if this game is all about stats and efficiency , then Wilt is GOAT better than Jordan. Duncan has no case over Karl Malone. KG etc. aside from accomplishments. :confusedshrug:

Stat whores suck the coc of stats no matter how skewed by their specific criteria and expect a medal for it. :facepalm

I'd like to see you punks be alittle more consistent.
What the **** are you even talking about, you insecure bitch?

This is what your fellow Kobe stan posted:


Duncan is a better first option on offense than Kobe?

peak year being 25.5 ppg in 40.6 minutes a game, shooting 4-5% better than Kobe with over half of his shots being assisted for his career. Not to mention his mid-range shot never being as good as Kobe's despite him getting to catch and shoot wide open 10-16 ft jumpers while Kobe took fadeaways and still shot in the 43-51% range on those shots vs Duncan peaking at 45% (not even taking volume into account).

Someone should slap your silly ass. Look at their shooting numbers outside 3 ft of the basket
Dude basically said Kobe shot 43-51% on mid-range fadeaways, which is a crock of shit and I just corrected him.

I really do not care about who's ranked higher between Kobe and Duncan. Also, where did I ever bring up advanced metrics ITT? :facepalm

[La Frescobaldi]

NEGATIVE
Kareem would have won rings with a mookie blaylock....true he needed a good pg but he didn't need MAGIC to win rings. Don't get me wrong...MAGIC made the lakers a dynasty. But you foolish to think kareem needed magic just as much as kobe needed shaq. Stop playing yourself.

Mookie is a stretch. Was the dude better than Cazzie Russell or Lucius Allen? Maybe but not by much. But we are actually agreeing on this.

Kareem was scorching the entire league, year after year, in the '70s. He was the player of the League, like Chamberlain was in the last half of the '60s or Bird then Magic then Mike although the separation was never high enough in the 80s like it was with the two big guys. Mike when he finally took off around '87 or '88, then you started having clarity as far as who the player of the League was. But shoot early '80s you couldn't say Bird or Magic was better than Moses Malone... you just couldn't.

But in his days of the '70s, nobody could really say.... anybody was better than Kareem. {If Bill Walton had not been constantly injured.... but we'll never know that, will we.} Yet no rings. His teams were never good enough to get it done.
And if he had retired in like 1980, his career would have been looked at as a failure by guys who think rings count for more than anything that happens on the court.

So an idiot homer like Bill Simmons will say Russell was better than Wilt in '68 or '69 because he won rings LMFAO. Same thing in the '70s. Hondo was one of the greatest players to ever walk on a NBA court but he was never by any stretch better than Jabbar... nor my all-time favorite player Walt Frazier neither.
Both those guys got 2 rings to Kareem's 1 ring in the '70s... but those Knicks squads were so unbelievably STACKED.

[HOoopCityJones]

What the **** are you even talking about, you insecure bitch?

This is what your fellow Kobe stan posted:


Dude basically said Kobe shot 43-51% on mid-range fadeaways, which is a crock of shit and I just corrected him.

I really do not care about who's ranked higher between Kobe and Duncan. Also, where did I ever bring up advanced metrics ITT? :facepalm

I brought it up , bitch. Go sit your silly ass down until it's time to go home.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

What the **** are you even talking about, you insecure bitch?

This is what your fellow Kobe stan posted:


Dude basically said Kobe shot 43-51% on mid-range fadeaways, which is a crock of shit and I just corrected him.

I really do not care about who's ranked higher between Kobe and Duncan. Also, where did I ever bring up advanced metrics ITT? :facepalm

Kobe had multiple seasons where shot 50% from 10-16 feet which is considered "midrange". 16-22 feet (22 feet being just inside the 3PT line) would be considered mid-to-long range.

According to basketball-reference at least.

[ArbitraryWater]

:biggums:


FG%: 44.9

2P%: 48%


Where did you get that 41%????


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01.html

Do you have any idea what mid-range is?
You think FG% and 2P% is all there's to it? Lol


Go to NBA.com. They have the mid-range stats. BTW, the 41% is an approximation. It could be +/- 1%.

Ayyy, you remembered my pro tip :cheers:

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe had multiple seasons where shot 50% from 10-16 feet which is considered "midrange". 16-22 feet (22 feet being just inside the 3PT line) would be considered mid-to-long range.

According to basketball-reference at least.

16-23 feet is NBA dot com's definition of mid-range..

[Da_Realist]

So an idiot homer like Bill Simmons will say Russell was better than Wilt in '68 or '69 because he won rings LMFAO.

In Bill Simmons defense, rings were not the only thing that he used to argue Russell > Wilt in his book.


But if we were arguing about the greatest debate in NBA history -- Bill Russell or Wilt Chamberlain? -- I can prove Russell was better. There's a definitive answer that involves common sense, firsthand accounts, relevant statistics and the valuable opinions of teammates, fellow players, coaches, and educated writers who watched them battle for ten straight seasons.

He dedicated almost 30 pages to the discussion and claimed to destroy the following myths:

1) Russell had a better supporting cast than Wilt
2) Russell wasn't a very good offensive player
3) Statistically, Wilt crushed Russell
4) Wilt was a great guy
5) A couple plays here and there and Wilt could have won just as many titles as Russell
6) Players and coaches from the era are split over who was a greater player

Agree or disagree, Bill did far more than just count rings.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

16-23 feet is NBA dot com's definition of mid-range..

23 feet is ~3PT line. I don't see how that's midrange, but whatevz

:confusedshrug:

[HOoopCityJones]

23 feet is ~3PT line. I don't see how that's midrange, but whatevz

:confusedshrug:


:roll:

[La Frescobaldi]

In Bill Simmons defense, rings were not the only thing that he used to argue Russell > Wilt in his book.



He dedicated almost 30 pages to the discussion and claimed to destroy the following myths:

1) Russell had a better supporting cast than Wilt - true, he did have better teams. Every year except '67 and '68.
2) Russell wasn't a very good offensive player - false. Russell had fine offense, although it was almost purely athleticism.
3) Statistically, Wilt crushed Russell - well duh.
4) Wilt was a great guy - typical simmons, deflecting.
5) A couple plays here and there and Wilt could have won just as many titles as Russell - of course this is true.
6) Players and coaches from the era are split over who was a greater player - also true. Russell himself said Wilt is the greatest of all-time at the Top 50 All-Star Game presentation. But the list of guys from those days who proclaim Chamberlain the GOAT is long indeed.
Agree or disagree, Bill did far more than just count rings.
If you mean Russell, we agree. If you mean Simmons..... either he's terrible at research which is a horrific flaw in a writer, or he's a homer. (Actually both are true)
either way, Simmons wasted 30 pages because he didn't convince anybody who ever saw those guys

[AlphaWolf24]

Kareem may have a point....

in the context that Tim Duncan was Chinese torture.....slow steady but deadly....while Kobe was more Like a nuclear Bomb.

I very sure Kareem would also say Bill Russell had a better career then Michael Jordan....

Russell won 14 major Titles in 13 seasons all while being Stoic and steady.



I will say this....IMO Duncan is the best leader the game has ever seen or at least him and Russell .....(I have heard many story's about Russell leadership...man was tough)

Duncan just has 100% focus on winning without ego.....never heard him say 1 bad thing about teammates / coaches.

as much as Pop gets credit for the spurs " winning....culture".....Duncan was doing the same thing at Wake Forrest...he spent 4 years there and totally turned that team around ...the players and coaches.

meanwhile Pop was still lost in the sauce with the warriors.

I'm not saying Pop is not a great coach......but the real soldier is Duncan....from Private to General.....dude has been the best leader and always set the example.

[La Frescobaldi]

Kareem may have a point....

in the context that Tim Duncan was Chinese torture.....steady and deadly....while Kobe was more Like a nuclear Bomb.

I very sure Kareem would also say Bill Russell had a better career then Michael Jordan....

Russell won 14 major Titles in 13 seasons all while being Stoic and steady.



I will say this....IMO Duncan is the best leader the game has ever seen or at least him and Russell .....(I have heard many story's about Russell leadership...man was tough)

Duncan just has 100% focus on winning without ego.....never heard him say 1 bad thing about teammates / coaches.

as much as Pop gets credit for the spurs " winning....culture".....Duncan was doing the same thing at Wake Forrest...he spent 4 years there and totally turned that team around ...the players and coaches.

meanwhile Pop was still lost in the sauce with the warriors.

I'm not saying Pop is not a great coach......but the real soldier is Duncan....from Private to General.....dude has been the best leader and always set the example.


:cheers: yep

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

:roll:

Well damn... is it NOT?

We should remove 'midrange' terminology in basketball if being on the 3PT line is your prototypical...midrange shot :lol

[La Frescobaldi]

16 feet out to the three point line is mid range man what's the big deal on that?

[ArbitraryWater]

23 feet is ~3PT line. I don't see how that's midrange, but whatevz

:confusedshrug:

nah.. at least thats the way its defined.


16 feet out to the three point line is mid range man what's the big deal on that?

ya thats the classification of it... there's no 'mid to long range'... long range is the 3, 23 and beyond.

[iamgine]

Kareem had lost it.

His answer and the question asked did not match.


"Hey Kareem what do you think of the iPhone 7?"

"You know, I think Steve Job was a smart man but hard to work with."

[miggyme1]

Kareem had lost it.

His answer and the question asked did not match.


"Hey Kareem what do you think of the iPhone 7?"

"You know, I think Steve Job was a smart man but hard to work with."


well he said Duncan had a better career not necessarily was the better player. :confusedshrug:

[HOoopCityJones]

Well damn... is it NOT?

We should remove 'midrange' terminology in basketball if being on the 3PT line is your prototypical...midrange shot :lol

Nah, I agree with what you said. But it just never surprises me the lengths LBJ faithful will go to diminish Bean. Even considering 23 ft mid range. :lol :facepalm

[k0kakw0rld]

Reasoning... "I would say Tim Duncan had a better career because they won more consistently and didn't have to use Tim as much." :oldlol: :oldlol:

The guy just called a HOF player and a guy that had one of the most legendary runs in NBA history in 2011 a one trick pony. Great player, he did a lot for my Lakers, but it's easy to see why he's not respected around the league and specifically by the Lakers management. Old man has lost it.
He is not lyin at all

Kobe stans are delusional
Overall career/achievements Duncan > Kobe Playoffs and Regular season

Kobe has only stats and by stats, I mean points. Oh and all star appearances :oldlol: If you think about it carefully there is litterally no way Kobe can be ahead of Duncan on any list.

[rmt]

Kareem may have a point....

in the context that Tim Duncan was Chinese torture.....slow steady but deadly....while Kobe was more Like a nuclear Bomb.

I very sure Kareem would also say Bill Russell had a better career then Michael Jordan....

Russell won 14 major Titles in 13 seasons all while being Stoic and steady.


I will say this....IMO Duncan is the best leader the game has ever seen or at least him and Russell .....(I have heard many story's about Russell leadership...man was tough)

Duncan just has 100% focus on winning without ego.....never heard him say 1 bad thing about teammates / coaches.

as much as Pop gets credit for the spurs " winning....culture".....Duncan was doing the same thing at Wake Forrest...he spent 4 years there and totally turned that team around ...the players and coaches.

meanwhile Pop was still lost in the sauce with the warriors.

I'm not saying Pop is not a great coach......but the real soldier is Duncan....from Private to General.....dude has been the best leader and always set the example.

But there was something unique about that made basket. After the shot, Aldridge ran back the other way and celebrated with Tim Duncan. Aldridge even smiled.

It was the one thing Duncan had been trying to get Aldridge to do the entire game

[aj1987]

I brought it up , bitch. Go sit your silly ass down until it's time to go home.
Hold this L, kid.


Kobe had multiple seasons where shot 50% from 10-16 feet which is considered "midrange". 16-22 feet (22 feet being just inside the 3PT line) would be considered mid-to-long range.

According to basketball-reference at least.
NBA considers anything from 16ft to the 3pt territory as mid-range.

For instance, this was Kobe's best season from mid-range (45%):

http://i68.tinypic.com/2wc46yh.png

[ArbitraryWater]

Nah, I agree with what you said. But it just never surprises me the lengths LBJ faithful will go to diminish Bean. Even considering 23 ft mid range. :lol :facepalm

16-23 feet is the official definition you moron.. I hope you didn't speak too much about shooting and mid-range on here before, knowing you weren't even aware of the basics :eek:

Shots made from beyond 16 feet, and within the 3 point line.

You never knew? :biggums: And you live in the Basketball country too :biggums:

Dude makes up his own definitions of mid-range...

like kenneth griffin and 9er with Kobe's 'game winners'.. ahh the Kobe faithful. Amusing bunch.

[HOoopCityJones]

16-23 feet is the official definition you moron.. I hope you didn't speak too much about shooting and mid-range on here before, knowing you weren't even aware of the basics :eek:

Shots made from beyond 16 feet, and within the 3 point line.

You never knew? :biggums: And you live in the Basketball country too :biggums:

Dude makes up his own definitions of mid-range...

like kenneth griffin and 9er with Kobe's 'game winners'.. ahh the Kobe faithful. Amusing bunch.

Why do you always say some lame ass shit. :facepalm

[kennethgriffin]

duncan did have a better career than kobe


same as kareem had a better career than jordan

and same as bill had a better career than wilt


but kobe/jordan/wilt are probably the better individual players than duncan/kareem/bill








and btw.. kareem also added that duncan had the better career cause he relied more on teammates and kobe pulled more of his own weight.... just sayin

[TheBigVeto]

In this case he is not wrong.

[NBASTATMAN]

duncan did have a better career than kobe


same as kareem had a better career than jordan

and same as bill had a better career than wilt


but kobe/jordan/wilt are probably the better individual players than duncan/kareem/bill








and btw.. kareem also added that duncan had the better career cause he relied more on teammates and kobe pulled more of his own weight.... just sayin




:roll: :roll: :banana: :rockon: KEEP TRYING TO FEEL GOOD ABOUT THAT STATEMENT... :roll:


Kareem Trolled Kobe hard... Kareem didn't lie either.. Duncan is still a HUGE FACTOR.. No need to hate on Kobe.. I have written that I believe he is top 8-10.. ALL TIME... Still funny as hell that you won't get sleep because of what KAREEM SAID... :roll:

May I suggest some Melatonin:oldlol: :D

[ImKobe]

Kobe shoots 41% for his career from mid-range. Where are you getting your numbers from? The best he ever shot from mid-range was 45% in '10.

10-16 ft range I said

[Micku]

3 > 2 Finals MVP
2 > 1 NBA MVP
Spurs never missed the playoffs in the Duncan Era
And at the age of 40 yrs.old he's anchoring the best defense in the league

Pretty much this. But it's not llike it isn't arguable. I can see a case for both players.

Kobe's peak as a player is great as a individual player. He has been in the finals seven times and from 01-13 he has always been a top player. Maybe not the best in the league every year obviously, but could at least give you 27 ppg a night. The only person in his generation that has just as much success as him is Duncan (not really counting Shaq). But I think Kobe's peak is a bit better than Duncan to me. But Duncan is consistent as a mofo. Even though you have to give the Spurs credit for getting a team this good with unselfish players and Pop for making the system work and keeping them in check...Duncan is STILL important to the Spurs defense even at his age. Career wise, given Duncan's accomplishments, MVPs, and consistency, I could definitely see that.

[SpecialQue]

It's a wash as far as I'm concerned. Both legends, but I don't mind either one being placed over the other. I obviously give Kobe the edge as a Laker fan and because he had an insane peak and had a long stretch of playing at an elite level, but Duncan's still winning, and that's hard to discount.

[HOoopCityJones]

It's a wash as far as I'm concerned. Both legends, but I don't mind either one being placed over the other. I obviously give Kobe the edge as a Laker fan and because he had an insane peak and had a long stretch of playing at an elite level, but Duncan's still winning, and that's hard to discount.

Agreed. But it's not hard to discount that there's at least two other players better than him on the Team and it's been that way since 2013.

[aj1987]

It's a wash as far as I'm concerned. Both legends, but I don't mind either one being placed over the other. I obviously give Kobe the edge as a Laker fan and because he had an insane peak and had a long stretch of playing at an elite level, but Duncan's still winning, and that's hard to discount.
Duncan hasn't played for a while and Spur's are still kicking ass.

[T_L_P]

Terrible reasoning, but yes, Duncan had a better career imo.

Also, Kareem's comments on Dirk were bad. They were taken out of context, but what he actually said still isnt true.

[T_L_P]

Agreed. But it's not hard to discount that there's at least two other players better than him on the Team and it's been that way since 2013.

At least? Only Kawhi has been better in that span.

[HOoopCityJones]

At least? Only Kawhi has been better in that span.

Tony's been better since 07 bro. Even if you wanna discount the FMVP year, Tony been carrying this Team until Kawhi's emergence recently as 2014-15.

[AirBonner]

Tony's been better since 07 bro. Even if you wanna discount the FMVP year, Tony been carrying this Team until Kawhi's emergence recently as 2014-15.
yeah cuz that defense is so good without Duncan :facepalm :facepalm

[HOoopCityJones]

yeah cuz that defense is so good without Duncan :facepalm :facepalm

Wtf does that have to with anything? Tim is great on Defense but that shouldn't trump the fact that in Duncan's twilight Parker has been their best player and goto guy. I'm amazed at how many people try to argue against this.

Duncan playing top tier on a depleted skilled big league shouldn't diminish Parker having to lace them up against the best of the west as far as PGs, like nightly.

Context. Use it.

[T_L_P]

Tony's been better since 07 bro. Even if you wanna discount the FMVP year, Tony been carrying this Team until Kawhi's emergence recently as 2014-15.

You said Tony's been better since 2013, which is flat-out wrong. From 13-current Duncan literally beats him in every box-scored derived stat. Then you throw in the intangibles (Duncan being the leader) and the much, much better defense, and I don't really see how this is a question (unless you're a Kobe stan of course).

Also, saying since 07 means including 07, right? Because you've said this a lot, yet you've never once made Parker's case for 07 (because, again, there isn't one).

Duncan was at worst a top 5 player in the NBA . Are you really trying to say in 2007 Tony Parker was a top 5 player? :roll:

[houston]

Tony's been better since 07 bro. Even if you wanna discount the FMVP year, Tony been carrying this Team until Kawhi's emergence recently as 2014-15.


Not 07 but their deep post season runs tony been the better player. We seen when Duncan was the man last year...first round exit.

[T_L_P]

2013:

Steve Blake // Pau Gasol-Dwight Howard

Steph Curry // Andrew Bogut

Mike Conley // Zach Randolph-Marc Gasol

Norris Cole-Mario Chalmers // Chris Bosh-Chris Anderson

2014:

Devin Harris // Brandan Wright

Damian Lillard // Robin Lopez

Russell Westbrook // Serge Ibaka

2015:

Chris Paul / Blake Griffin-DeAndre Jordan

But Parker has had to play against gods while Duncan played scrubs. And in 90% of these matchups Kawhi/Green were guarding them, as Pop always schemes to hide Parker on the weakest offensive player on the other team. Duncan was actually defending his guys :oldlol:

[chopchop20]

Ummmmm let me see.......

1. Lakers have the head-to head edge in the playoffs w/ Kobe vs Duncan

2. Throughout all of those playoff series, Kobe was the best player on the court

3. Spurs have won more consistently but.....

4. Kobe 7 Finals appearances > Duncan 6 Finals appearances

5. Kobe 3-peat (dominant team) & Repeat > Spurs no consecutive championships (but they were won consistently)

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Ummmmm let me see.......

1. Lakers have the head-to head edge in the playoffs w/ Kobe vs Duncan

2. Throughout all of those playoff series, Kobe was the best player on the court

3. Spurs have won more consistently but.....

4. Kobe 7 Finals appearances > Duncan 6 Finals appearances

5. Kobe 3-peat (dominant team) & Repeat > Spurs no consecutive championships (but they were won consistently)
1. With or without Shaq playing? Kobe vs. Duncan isn't truly Kobe vs. Duncan if Shaq is in the game.

2. No.

3. Yes

4. You can't have that both ways. If 2/3 > 2/6, 5/6 > 5/7. Kobe stans love to say that efficiency in the finals is better than volume, thus Hakeem > Bron.

5. Okay? Kobe deserves credit for the 09/10 repeat but that threepeat is more Shaq than Kobe. At the end of the day, both Kobe and Duncan have 5 rings total.

[chopchop20]

1. With or without Shaq playing? Kobe vs. Duncan isn't truly Kobe vs. Duncan if Shaq is in the game.

Ridiculous statement.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Ridiculous statement.
In what world? You're trying to give sole credit to Kobe for wins where the MDE was on the court. That's unfair to both Kobe and Duncan and is a piss poor indicator of superiority between them. Head to head in general is a dumb way to compare players when they're not being matched up against one another but this is particularly egregious.

[chopchop20]

Ummmmm let me see.......

1. Lakers have the head-to head edge in the playoffs w/ Kobe vs Duncan

2. Throughout all of those playoff series, Kobe was the best player on the court

3. Spurs have won more consistently but.....

4. Kobe 7 Finals appearances > Duncan 6 Finals appearances

5. Kobe 3-peat (dominant team) & Repeat > Spurs no consecutive championships (but they were won consistently)


1. With or without Shaq playing? Kobe vs. Duncan isn't truly Kobe vs. Duncan if Shaq is in the game.

2. No.

3. Yes

4. You can't have that both ways. If 2/3 > 2/6, 5/6 > 5/7. Kobe stans love to say that efficiency in the finals is better than volume, thus Hakeem > Bron.

5. Okay? Kobe deserves credit for the 09/10 repeat but that threepeat is more Shaq than Kobe. At the end of the day, both Kobe and Duncan have 5 rings total.


Lakers Vs Spurs 2002 Playoffs

Kobe Takes Control, Lakers Take Series Lead
http://www.nba.com/games/20020510/LALSAS/recap.html

Kobe Continues to be Thorn in Spurs' Side
http://www.nba.com/games/20020512/LALSAS/recap.html

Bryant scored 26 points and again starred down the stretch and the Lakers
http://www.nba.com/games/20020514/SASLAL/recap.html

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Do you not understand English? You said that Kobe was the best player in every series where the Spurs played the Lakers. 2002 was not the only time they met in the playoffs.

[chopchop20]

In what world? You're trying to give sole credit to Kobe for wins where the MDE was on the court. That's unfair to both Kobe and Duncan and is a piss poor indicator of superiority between them. Head to head in general is a dumb way to compare players when they're not being matched up against one another but this is particularly egregious.

Dude it's a 5 on 5 game... everybody has teammates. And you don't get to choose them (unless you're LeBron). Duncan had Robinson and has played with a lot of great players in his career. Kobe was still the better player against the Spurs -- that includes the MDE. They had no answer til they signed Bowen. And even Bruce never locked Kobe down.

[chopchop20]

Do you not understand English? You said that Kobe was the best player in every series where the Spurs played the Lakers. 2002 was not the only time they met in the playoffs.

I'm saying the totality of all of the times they played in the playoffs, Kobe was better than Duncan.

[HOoopCityJones]

He was arguably the best in 00-01 too.

[chopchop20]

He was arguably the best in 00-01 too.

2001 Playoffs

Kobe Seals Sweet 16
http://www.nba.com/playoffs2001/finals/west/recap_lal_sas_010519.html?nav=ArticleList
45 points /10 rebounds

Forget the Alamo
http://www.nba.com/playoffs2001/finals/west/recap_lal_sas_010521.html?nav=ArticleList
Once again, Kobe Bryant led the way - 28 points


Lakers Express Rolls On
http://www.nba.com/playoffs2001/finals/west/recap_sas_lal_010524.html?nav=ArticleList
Shaquille O'Neal had 35 points and 17 rebounds, while Bryant had 36 points, nine rebounds and eight assists, as the Lakers embarrassed a Spurs team that compiled the best record in the NBA regular season

Back to the Big Show
http://www.nba.com/playoffs2001/finals/west/recap_sas_lal_010527.html?nav=ArticleList
Bryant was the maestro once again. He made his first six shots, finished 10-for-19 from the field for 24 points and had 11 assists.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

I'm fine with arguably, but there's a difference between 'arguably' and the general statements being made in the post I originally referenced.


Dude it's a 5 on 5 game... everybody has teammates. And you don't get to choose them (unless you're LeBron). Duncan had Robinson and has played with a lot of great players in his career. Kobe was still the better player against the Spurs -- that includes the MDE. They had no answer til they signed Bowen. And even Bruce never locked Kobe down.
Citing Robinson as being some force during his time spent with Duncan is like saying that Kobe had Malone and Payton without adding that neither were anywhere near their prime. Duncan never played with anyone that equaled Shaq. The point I'm making is that you can't arbitrarily credit one player for a team's victory. If you weren't trying to give him a disproportionate share of the credit, that's my bad, I misunderstood.


I'm saying the totality of all of the times they played in the playoffs, Kobe was better than Duncan.
Disagree. Kobe was the best for some of the series, no argument there, but I don't think that he was a better player over their entire history of playoff head to head matchups.

I'm not trying to say that everything you said isn't arguable, I just had a problem with the way that it was said. :cheers:

[Showtime2001]

Only series that Duncan outplayed Kobe were 99 & 03 and it was a toss up in 2004.

Kobe outplayed him in 01,02 and 08.

[chopchop20]

I'm fine with arguably, but there's a difference between 'arguably' and the general statements being made in the post I originally referenced.


Citing Robinson as being some force during his time spent with Duncan is like saying that Kobe had Malone and Payton without adding that neither were anywhere near their prime. Duncan never played with anyone that equaled Shaq. The point I'm making is that you can't arbitrarily credit one player for a team's victory. If you weren't trying to give him a disproportionate share of the credit, that's my bad, I misunderstood.


Disagree. Kobe was the best for some of the series, no argument there, but I don't think that he was a better player over their entire history of playoff head to head matchups.

I'm not trying to say that everything you said isn't arguable, I just had a problem with the way that it was said. :cheers:

Fair enough. But I watched those games (quite a few where Duncan choked down the stretch). I mean even without the MDE in 2008, Kobe still did his thing against the Spurs.

IMO (and I believe Popovich would agree) no player has given the Spurs more trouble than Kobe.

[DMV2]

This.

By the way, LeBron23....I've officially joined the LeBron Family as of this week. Rooting for Big Bron to get a title this season. :rockon:
Made it on time to see Kobe ranked #12.

[T_L_P]

Only series that Duncan outplayed Kobe were 99 & 03 and it was a toss up in 2004.

Kobe outplayed him in 01,02 and 08.

I agree on 01 and 08, and I'd give Kobe 04 too, but I do think 02 is Duncan.

29/17/5/4 on .517 TS% for Duncan vs Kobe's 26/5/5 on .487 TS%. Kobe definitely played better in 4th quarters, but Duncan's production was scary good 3 more PPG on better percentages, 12 more rebounds and the same passing output. His team was just horrible (Robinson was injured so his best teammates were Bruce Bowen and a rookie Tony Parker).

[rmt]

I don't see what the problem is - KAJ is correct. Duncan has had a better career than Kobe.

He was the man on 4 of his 5 championships.
2 MVPs > 1 MVP
3 FMVPs > 2 MVPs

And before anyone tries to say that Tony Parker was the better player in 2007, here are the facts:

2006-07 Regular Season
Duncan 20 pts 10.6 rebs 3.4 asst 2.4 blks 54.6%FG 111 ORtg 94 DRtg 26.1 PER 13 WS 7.1 BPM 6.3 VORP
Parker 18.6 pts 5.5 asst 52%FG 112 ORtg 102 DRtg 21.4 PER 9.6 WS 2.7 BPM 3 VORP

2007 Playoffs
Duncan 22.2 pts 11.5 rebs 3.3 asst 3.1 blks 52.1%FG 111 ORtg 98 DRtg 27.4 PER 3.3 WS 7.2 BPM 1.7 VORP
Parker 20.8 pts 5.8 asst 48%FG 103 ORtg 1-7 DRtg 18.7 PER 1.6 WS 0.5 BPM 0.5 VORP

Duncan - all-NBA 1st, all-Defensive 1st, 4th in MVP voting, all-star
Parker - all-star, tied with Baron Davis and Carmelo Anthony for 15th in MVP voting

[Magic 32]

I agree on 01 and 08, and I'd give Kobe 04 too, but I do think 02 is Duncan.

29/17/5/4 on .517 TS% for Duncan vs Kobe's 26/5/5 on .487 TS%. Kobe definitely played better in 4th quarters, but Duncan's production was scary good 3 more PPG on better percentages, 12 more rebounds and the same passing output. His team was just horrible (Robinson was injured so his best teammates were Bruce Bowen and a rookie Tony Parker).

How about calling it even.

[Showtime2001]

Here are the facts.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zK65aVyfnFo/UbAVLGW97BI/AAAAAAAAIrI/xB-u5aV4K-E/s1600/Finals-TonyParker.jpg

[Knoe Itawl]

Damn, all sort of ls lately for Kobetards. The Captain says what everyone that's not them knows - Duncan is the better player, and ESPN had the NERVE to rank him outside of top 10. :oldlol:

[chopchop20]

I don't see what the problem is - KAJ is correct. Duncan has had a better career than Kobe.

He was the man on 4 of his 5 championships.
2 MVPs > 1 MVP
3 FMVPs > 2 MVPs

And before anyone tries to say that Tony Parker was the better player in 2007, here are the facts:

2006-07 Regular Season
Duncan 20 pts 10.6 rebs 3.4 asst 2.4 blks 54.6%FG 111 ORtg 94 DRtg 26.1 PER 13 WS 7.1 BPM 6.3 VORP
Parker 18.6 pts 5.5 asst 52%FG 112 ORtg 102 DRtg 21.4 PER 9.6 WS 2.7 BPM 3 VORP

2007 Playoffs
Duncan 22.2 pts 11.5 rebs 3.3 asst 3.1 blks 52.1%FG 111 ORtg 98 DRtg 27.4 PER 3.3 WS 7.2 BPM 1.7 VORP
Parker 20.8 pts 5.8 asst 48%FG 103 ORtg 1-7 DRtg 18.7 PER 1.6 WS 0.5 BPM 0.5 VORP

Duncan - all-NBA 1st, all-Defensive 1st, 4th in MVP voting, all-star
Parker - all-star, tied with Baron Davis and Carmelo Anthony for 15th in MVP voting

Parker was the man in 2007. He led the team. Tim played pretty well too, but they wouldn't have won without TP.

Comparing the numbers between a big and a small doesn't really tell the whole story -- especially in this case. Duncan had more favorable matchups/less competition at the center/forward spot. Afterall, he was matched up against Ilgauskas & Gooden in the Finals.

[T_L_P]

Here are the facts.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-zK65aVyfnFo/UbAVLGW97BI/AAAAAAAAIrI/xB-u5aV4K-E/s1600/Finals-TonyParker.jpg

Here are the facts

http://www.jplimeproductions.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Stats-425x425.jpg

[Showtime2001]

Here are the facts

http://www.jplimeproductions.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Stats-425x425.jpg
Good job.

Duncan didnt win FMVP in 2007.

[T_L_P]

Parker was the man in 2007. He led the team. Tim played pretty well too, but they wouldn't have won without TP.

Comparing the numbers between a big and a small doesn't really tell the whole story -- especially in this case. Duncan had more favorable matchups/less competition at the center/forward spot. Afterall, he was matched up against Ilgauskas & Gooden in the Finals.

Trolling? Because Parker matched up with Boobie Gibson and an injured Eric Snow. :oldlol:

Duncan was miles ahead of Parker in the 07 season, and especially the 07 Playoffs.

[chopchop20]

I agree on 01 and 08, and I'd give Kobe 04 too, but I do think 02 is Duncan.

29/17/5/4 on .517 TS% for Duncan vs Kobe's 26/5/5 on .487 TS%. Kobe definitely played better in 4th quarters, but Duncan's production was scary good 3 more PPG on better percentages, 12 more rebounds and the same passing output. His team was just horrible (Robinson was injured so his best teammates were Bruce Bowen and a rookie Tony Parker).

Not giving Dunacan 2002 based on TS%. I saw every one of those games. Duncan put numbers and also came up short when the game was on the line -- repeatedly.

Pressure is getting to Spurs in crunch time
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/nba/johnson/2002-05-14-johnson.htm

[T_L_P]

Good job.

Duncan didnt win FMVP in 2007.

Wow. And yet he still has more FMVPs than Kobe - 3 to 2, to be exact.

# of rings as the best player then - Duncan 3, Kobe 2.

Those are some facts.

[chopchop20]

Trolling? Because Parker matched up with Boobie Gibson and an injured Eric Snow. :oldlol:

Duncan was miles ahead of Parker in the 07 season, and especially the 07 Playoffs.

Parker, Spurs Close Out Cavs for Fourth Title
http://www.nba.com/finals2007/series/
Parker averaged 24.5 points on 57 percent shooting and five rebounds for the series.

[chopchop20]

Wow. And yet he still has more FMVPs than Kobe - 3 to 2, to be exact.

# of rings as the best player then - Duncan 3, Kobe 2.

Those are some facts.

Best player = subjective

And yet he still has more FMVPs than Kobe - 3 to 2


And Kobe 4 > Duncan 2 in the playoffs

[Showtime2001]

Wow. And yet he still has more FMVPs than Kobe - 3 to 2, to be exact.

# of rings as the best player then - Duncan 3, Kobe 2.

Those are some facts.
Good job.

Duncan was not the best player in 2007 or 2014 finals.

Head to head matchups in playoffs Kobe > Duncan.

4-2

[T_L_P]

Parker, Spurs Close Out Cavs for Fourth Title
http://www.nba.com/finals2007/series/
Parker averaged 24.5 points on 57 percent shooting and five rebounds for the series.

So are you saying Parker was 'the man' in the 07 Finals, or on the 07 Spurs. Because they're two different things.

Parker deserved his FMVP. But Duncan was far and away the team's best player over the course of the season. Your post was unclear about which statement you were making.

[chopchop20]

So are you saying Parker was 'the man' in the 07 Finals, or on the 07 Spurs. Because they're two different things.

Parker deserved his FMVP. But Duncan was far and away the team's best player over the course of the season. Your post was unclear about which statement you were making.

Fair enough.... I won't pretend to have watched all of the Spurs games that year

[chopchop20]

I'm fine with a Kobe vs Duncan debate. But Kareem's reason for choosing Duncan didn't sound right/make sense.

If the Spurs were always winning, where were they when the Lakers went to 7 Finals? There was a 6 year gap between their last championship.

And what they hell does usage have to do with it? Either you got the job done or you didn't... Does the fact that the Lakers "used" Kobe more also say that he carried a bigger load than Duncan?

[rmt]

Parker was the man in 2007. He led the team. Tim played pretty well too, but they wouldn't have won without TP.

Comparing the numbers between a big and a small doesn't really tell the whole story -- especially in this case. Duncan had more favorable matchups/less competition at the center/forward spot. Afterall, he was matched up against Ilgauskas & Gooden in the Finals.

Since when does only the Finals qualify as being the man? I posted overwhelming evidence from 2007 including the entire playoffs. I guess the all-nba 1st, all-defensive 1st, 4th in MVP voting made no impression on you. Do you really think that an injured Eric Snow and rookie Daniel Gibson are less favorable than Ilgauskas & Gooden? Do you remember the 2007 Finals at all?

Besides, the true Finals was the Suns series where Duncan averaged 26.8 pts/13.7 rebs/4.2 blks/57.3%. I remember a clip of Pop walking off the court after clinching the Suns series with an emphatic fist pump. Pop never does things like that, but he knew (barring injury) that Spurs were HEAVY favorites to win. IMO, Spurs would have beaten the Cavs even without Parker. Once Lebron was controlled (by Bowen on the perimeter and Duncan in the paint), Spurs had too much experience, talent and depth to lose.

[97 bulls]

Duncan did have a better career than Bryant

[DMAVS41]

Since when does only the Finals qualify as being the man? I posted overwhelming evidence from 2007 including the entire playoffs. I guess the all-nba 1st, all-defensive 1st, 4th in MVP voting made no impression on you. Do you really think that an injured Eric Snow and rookie Daniel Gibson are less favorable than Ilgauskas & Gooden? Do you remember the 2007 Finals at all?

Besides, the true Finals was the Suns series where Duncan averaged 26.8 pts/13.7 rebs/4.2 blks/57.3%. I remember a clip of Pop walking off the court after clinching the Suns series with an emphatic fist pump. Pop never does things like that, but he knew (barring injury) that Spurs were HEAVY favorites to win. IMO, Spurs would have beaten the Cavs even without Parker. Once Lebron was controlled (by Bowen on the perimeter and Duncan in the paint), Spurs had too much experience, talent and depth to lose.

Duncan was the best player in the ****ing league in 07.

Seriously...Duncan's 07 is one of the most under-rated seasons of all time. He was fantastic...and his performance in a joke finals isn't relevant at all.

[IGOTGAME]

Duncan was the best player in the ****ing league in 07.

Seriously...Duncan's 07 is one of the most under-rated seasons of all time. He was fantastic...and his performance in a joke finals isn't relevant at all.

Joke finals?

[DMAVS41]

Joke finals?

Yes...there is no world in which the 07 Cavs beat the Spurs.

[Carbine]

The real Finals was Spurs/Suns in 2007 which Duncan had 27/14 and one of his best defensive series performances of his career.

Utah series was a laugher. Average margin of victory was almost 15 points per game.

[DMV2]

Good job.

Duncan didnt win FMVP in 2007.
those 3 FMVP are for 1999, 2003, 2005, you dumb piece of shit :oldlol:

[sportjames23]

those 3 FMVP are for 1999, 2003, 2005, you dumb piece of shit :oldlol:


I see your title and avatar, nikka. :oldlol:

[Smoke117]

True.

[Showtime2001]

those 3 FMVP are for 1999, 2003, 2005, you dumb piece of shit :oldlol:
I'm talking about the 2007 finals you idiot Duncan did not win Finals MVP which is a series that Duncan stans claim that he was the best player yet he lost FMVP to Parker...

Keep melting down shitface.

:lol :lol :lol

[jimmybball]

Duncan. Kobe has scoring in volume and popularity based achievements over him. Not much else.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

Kobe stans can't talk about meltdowns after what we witnessed today. :oldlol:

[houston]

kobe had the better career than Duncan

[dhsilv]

I'm talking about the 2007 finals you idiot Duncan did not win Finals MVP which is a series that Duncan stans claim that he was the best player yet he lost FMVP to Parker...

Keep melting down shitface.

:lol :lol :lol

It was a 4 game sweep? What kinda weird ego maniac would try and win the finals mvp or dominate the ball when their teammates had better matchups and the spurs could have won with half their starters out...

Duncan could have just sat the whole thing out WITH parker on the bench next to him, and we MIGHT have had a series.

[dhsilv]

Wow. And yet he still has more FMVPs than Kobe - 3 to 2, to be exact.

# of rings as the best player then - Duncan 3, Kobe 2.

Those are some facts.

You're taking 05 Manu over 05 Duncan?