Will MJ for example, be a top 10 all time player, forever?

[SpaceJam]

Just thinking about ESPN's list, and what their top 10 might be

And with them ranking LeBron above Bird in the positional rankings, Bird may be rated in the 6-10 range, and then to me it's crazy to think, with Curry and possibly Durant still on the come up, that Bird could potentially be knocked out of the consensus top 10

So my question is, since Jordan is generally concidered the GOAT will he be top 10 greatest of all time forever, or do you think from now until whenever, there is gonna be 10 players who are greater then him

[jstern]

Yes. If anything because times passes and people forget and are not born knowing about things that happened before them.

[Psileas]

Forever is...way too long to predict anything. However, given how little, regardless of era, the current fans of each era care about the past, and given how, regardless of era, they are prone to using generic "weak era", "basketball has evolved", etc types of arguments, I see no much possibility in any player that we have ever known to exist up to now to be on most people's top-10 lists by the year, say, 2500. Fans may be using "non genetically engineered players were so limited, they'd suck today, lol!" types of erroneous arguments forward then.

[feyki]

If rules will changes in like 2020 , Many People couldn't count the past (before 2020 ) in future . And they wouldn't count Jordan as a great player . But in real bball fans , always ; of course .

[jongib369]

Forever is...way too long to predict anything. However, given how little, regardless of era, the current fans of each era care about the past, and given how, regardless of era, they are prone to using generic "weak era", "basketball has evolved", etc types of arguments, I see no much possibility in any player that we have ever known to exist up to now to be on most people's top-10 lists by the year, say, 2500. Fans may be using "non genetically engineered players were so limited, they'd suck today, lol!" types of erroneous arguments forward then.

This, Jordan WILL be knocked off eventually...And I know the exact kind of player that's going to do it. None of them has to be exact, just close

Either it'll be a player with a Jordan like body/athleticism, that plays like him and Curry...Can be a Durant/Russell type player... Or it'll be a Wilt/Shaq type, that has the footwork/moves in the post similar to both, but can also stretch the floor with his range, can drive, and pass with the best of them.

Last is probably the needle in an earth sized haystack, but I think it could happen.

It'll take a LONG time though to be knocked out of a consensus top 10. I'd say it could happen in a hundred years, maybe out of a lot of peoples top 5 as early as 2050/60

[SouBeachTalents]

I feel like nostalgia will always help older players, and you'll always have those fans who say today's game isn't as good as it used to be. That happens all the time now. Plus older players flaws and negative marks on their resume aren't nearly as remembered as current players. Happens all the time with LeBron & Kobe, while any flaws with Kareem, Magic, and Bird are either forgotten or simply not known

[ILLsmak]

Forever is...way too long to predict anything. However, given how little, regardless of era, the current fans of each era care about the past, and given how, regardless of era, they are prone to using generic "weak era", "basketball has evolved", etc types of arguments, I see no much possibility in any player that we have ever known to exist up to now to be on most people's top-10 lists by the year, say, 2500. Fans may be using "non genetically engineered players were so limited, they'd suck today, lol!" types of erroneous arguments forward then.

lol 2500.

-Smak

[SamuraiSWISH]

I feel like nostalgia will always help older players, and you'll always have those fans who say today's game isn't as good as it used to be. That happens all the time now. Plus older players flaws and negative marks on their resume aren't nearly as remembered as current players. Happens all the time with LeBron & Kobe, while any flaws with Kareem, Magic, and Bird are either forgotten or simply not known
That's not true at all. There is plenty of prisoner of the moment types to off set any overly fond nostalgia.

You're seeing it now. Sports is always a what have you done for me lately, short term memory culture.

Hell, Curry, while this season so far undoubtedly an all time great season as well as player ... Is ONLY a 3x time all star. Yet, the major sports conglomerate of our era and culture already has him:

Ranked as 4th best PG ever
Ranked as the 23rd best player of all time

That's absurd. And way too locked in prisoner of the moment syndrome. Kobe who was unanimous, and deserved consensus top ten not two or three years ago ... After 3x consecutive seasons of major injuries. Combined with fossilized NBA age. Poor numbers last year, and atrocious this year is already being forgotten or moved out of the top ten.

Hell, people are so prisoner of the moment, and even given physical decline ... LeBron is still the best player in the league. Even if a lot of us dislike his cowardly antics, etc it's undeniable. He's been the best in the league probably unanimously since 2009 or 2010. Yet the media has attempted to crown a successor out of sheer boredom of dominance in order to promote new guys, ones that even since 2013 the last true year he was media darling. KD, Harden, and AD have all come crashing back to earth behind LeBron.

Don't sit here and say nostalgia trumps prisoner of the moment status among the mass media. Or even in some cases analysts.

[deja vu]

I think the world will end before it happens or we will leave Earth for a distant planet to continue our civilization.

With all the shit we're doing to our planet it's bound to happen, sooner rather than later.

[Marchesk]

I think the world will end before it happens or we will leave Earth for a distant planet to continue our civilization.

With all the shit we're doing to our planet it's bound to happen, sooner rather than later.

How will the game evolve on Mars?

http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/img/big-idea/mars.jpg

Global Warming aka Climate Change, is a very good thing on Mars.

[deja vu]

Don't know what gravity is like there but I believe basketball will be different. Lol

[K Xerxes]

Look how many all time great players we have seen in the last 50 years alone. Now you're talking about forever. That's a long time. It depends on how long basketball lasts, but we'll probably have a completely different top 10. Only chance i see is if people think the 90s era rules was all time difficult and therefore MJ's accomplishments are far more impressive. Considering how young fans pretty much always think their era is the best and trash previous eras, not a chance at all

[Straight_Ballin]

Just thinking about ESPN's list, and what their top 10 might be

And with them ranking LeBron above Bird in the positional rankings, Bird may be rated in the 6-10 range, and then to me it's crazy to think, with Curry and possibly Durant still on the come up, that Bird could potentially be knocked out of the consensus top 10

So my question is, since Jordan is generally concidered the GOAT will he be top 10 greatest of all time forever, or do you think from now until whenever, there is gonna be 10 players who are greater then him

Eventually he will be knocked off just like the 10 that replace him will be knocked off. What matters though is what happens during YOUR time on earth. In my time, I was able to watch MJ live and his 2nd 3 peat occurred when I was in HS/College. That's the best possible age range to have watched the GOAT play. His first 3 peat was when I was in middle school, and it was inspiring. I was old enough to really have an appreciation for his game, and since I play way too much basketball myself, MJ's dominance was really just the icing on the cake. It's funny seeing how salty these other generations are knowing that those who played during their most enjoyable years as a fan pale in comparison to watching MJ play. Lebron generation got robbed and I feel sorry for them. Kobe generation can be appreciated. The Curry generation appears to have a bright future, but really the fans that no one can touch were the guys that were watching Bird/Magic and old enough at the time to appreciated it. The 80's really was the best era. These guys are the best posters on real GM, followed by the Jordan era posters.

[Rocketswin2013]

He won't leave the top 5 for at least the next half century. Probably not even top 3.

[JohnMax]

If the fraud in Cleveland didn't go 2/6, Media would have brainwashed us to think he's better than Jordan.

[Marchesk]

Wilt and Russell are still consensus top 5 all-time, and they retired over 40 years ago. So Jordan will be in the top 10 for a very long time.

[Derka]

We'll be the last generation of people who pass down the oral history of watching Michael Jordan do his thing. Two generations from now, no one who saw him play will be around and he won't be looked at under the same light as the future's players will be, even with ample footage of Jordan's playing years still being widely available (I'm assuming) in the years to come.

Just the way it goes. Forever is a very long time.

[Straight_Ballin]

We'll be the last generation of people who pass down the oral history of watching Michael Jordan do his thing. Two generations from now, no one who saw him play will be around and he won't be looked at under the same light as the future's players will be, even with ample footage of Jordan's playing years still being widely available (I'm assuming) in the years to come.

Just the way it goes. Forever is a very long time.

The Jordan clothing line and shoes will be around forever though.

[Akrazotile]

Well for instance circa 2006 I had MJ comfortably at #4 behind Mikan, Kareem,and Shaq. But since then Lebron has moved MJ back a peg further to #5.

So I dont think its inconceivable hes eventually bumped down to around 10 or even outside it. I mean Kobes only gonna be able to hold on to #12 for another year or two at most, so... These things just happen.

[Straight_Ballin]

Well for instance circa 2006 I had MJ comfortably at #4 behind Mikan, Kareem,and Shaq. But since then Lebron has moved MJ back a peg further to #5.

So I dont think its inconceivable hes eventually bumped down to around 10 or even outside it. I mean Kobes only gonna be able to hold on to #12 for another year or two at most, so... These things just happen.

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