NBA players rank all time greats

[navy]

1. Who's your top 5 of all time?

Doc Rivers (former All-Star guard and current Clippers GM/coach): I always start with Magic [Johnson] and Michael [Jordan], and then it gets murky from there. For me, I go next to Bill Russell. I don't think a player can win that many titles and not be in there.

I'm going to put Oscar Robertson fourth. The guy averaged triple-doubles, and also because people have no idea about the social s--- that he had to go through to be a basketball player. And he was still a great. My fifth -- and I go back and forth on this from Larry Bird to LeBron [James] to Tim Duncan -- but I'm going with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar.

Jason Kidd (former All-Star guard and current Bucks coach): Magic, Michael, Oscar, LeBron, and I would have to put in Shaq. They had on the Lakers TV the other night, the Lakers playing New Jersey (in the 2002 NBA Finals) and we are playing f--ing really good in Game 4 and there was nothing we could do with Shaq. Nothing.

Walt Frazier (Hall of Fame guard and current Knicks commentator): [Wilt] Chamberlain, Russell, Robertson, put Jordan in there, Kareem. If they played today, they would be greater than they were when we played. Chamberlain would average 60-70 points today. He averaged 50 back then, when you could maul people and beat them up. What would he do today?

Brett Brown, (current coach of the 76ers): It ends up like, "Do you really love steak or do you really love lobster?" There's a lot of good food out there. You'd have to go with Michael Jordan, Magic Johnson, Tim Duncan, Larry Bird and, I'll go with one of our own, Julius Erving.

Chris Bosh (current Heat power forward): No. 1? I have to say Jordan. No. 2 is Kareem. No. 3 is Magic. Uh, shoot, man. I'd probably go Bill Russell No. 4. Man, this is so hard. LeBron's close but he's still got some work to do. I mean, we're talking about guys who played 20 years in the league and their work is done. LeBron's still writing it, which is scary.

I probably have to say Timmy [Duncan], because he redefined his game so many times. He's done everything. He's won the championship as the young guy and the old guy. That really counts. That's my list. But I'm partial to big men.

2. Which all-time great is the most underrated?

Frazier: Kareem. I would put Kareem, man. He dominated at every level. The sky hook is the most potent shot the game has ever known. When they talk of the greatest players, no one ever brings his name up. It's just they never give the guy the credit that he deserved. If he had Chamberlain's mentality, then he would have all the records. But he was a team player, he wasn't concerned with records.

Kidd: I think LeBron is. OK, I think people don't really appreciate what he does. He goes from '04 all the way up to '16, he can participate in every Olympics and be involved in every Finals in the last five years.

Is this the sixth year he could be in the Finals [in a row]? Just think about that. Six years in the Finals straight [potentially] and participate in four Olympics ... is that right? That's unheard of! Who else could do that?

Bosh: Scottie Pippen. Yeah, Scottie. Because they always say he was Robin to Batman, and I think that's so disrespectful. It's a little personal for me, because I understand filling a role and doing your job and it's very difficult to do that. You have to be really, really good to win a championship. As good as Michael was, you can't win a championship by yourself. You need someone who's your equal or pretty close. It hits close to home but I don't know what it's like to win three in a row. He's pretty, pretty, pretty good [Larry David voice].

Rivers: Isiah Thomas. When you talk about best point guards, he rarely gets mentioned. I think because some people don't like him, they underrate him.

Brown: I get such a soft spot for Manu Ginobili. Ginobili is amazing to me with his competitive spirit. Manu is to me one of my all-time favorites. Gold medalist, NBA champion, NBA All-Star. I think if people knew what I know in regards to how he's wired and the person behind the competitiveness and the skill package, it would make a little more sense. I'll go with Manu.

3. Which all-time great would you pay the most to watch?

Kidd: Michael for sure. Oh for sure. We lose sight that if you buy a ticket, you knew that, 'Hey, I am buying this ticket because he is going to score 50.' He never disappointed. Right? Like, you buy a ticket between the Bulls and back then it was the Bullets, LaBradford Smith said something [to Jordan], Michael came back the next game and gave him [47]. Whatever stage it was, whatever level, last-second shot, he always delivered.

Bosh: Oh, easy, Michael Jordan. I only got to watch him once in person. It was the All-Star Game in Atlanta. I did get to see him. But he was 40 and that was his last All-Star Game and everyone knew it was it. I think he made the game-winning shot until somebody made a bad foul. I can say that I did get to see him play in some capacity. Magic, too, in the fast break. To see what all the fuss was about.

Brown: I thought Magic just sort of did it all. Just as far as impacting a game with his size and his passing and his charisma. Magic would be my vote.

Rivers: Magic because of the way he played and the flavor that he played with.

Frazier: I would say Chamberlain. The way he dominated. Big guy, could run the floor.


4. What's the best individual performance you've seen?

Bosh: Super easy, Kobe's 81 points. I was there. I had a good first half. I remember looking at him like, man, this is crazy. He just kept going and kept going. I thought he would drop off, but he did not. He had himself a game. It was just so embarrassing. We already weren't that good and then, damn, we're the Raptors and everyone overlooks us because we play in Canada. And now all anybody cares about us is because of Kobe's 81.

Rivers: Larry Bird, Game 7 [in the 1988 Eastern Conference semifinals vs. Atlanta; Bird's famous duel with Dominique Wilkins in which Bird led the Celtics to the win by scoring 20 points in the fourth quarter].

Frazier: The Willis Reed game. It was Game 7 (of the 1970 Finals), everything on the line. Win or go home. This is it. A lot of guys have had a Game 6 like that, a Game 5 but not a Game 7 where it was all there. That's why. The odds were against us. We were playing three of the greatest players to ever play the game in Chamberlain, Baylor and West. Without your best player.

Kidd: Probably when Michael was (almost) 40 and gave us 45 (in a Wizards' 98-76 New Year's Eve win over the New Jersey Nets in 2001). How old was he, 38? That was like the craziest performance I've seen. The one that he just went ballistic on us (and scored 22 points in a row at one point). He couldn't jump no higher than me! And he was giving it all to us! He was cooking. He was making everything. And-ones ... it was like he had a flashback. It wasn't like where he was jumping over everybody. He just out-thought everybody that night.

Brown: I mean, I saw Jimmy Butler a few weeks ago have 53 on us. That one stung the most. I remember, without being date-specific, Ginobili breaking out for 40-something, Timmy Duncan hitting buzzer-beaters, Tony Parker just grabbing a game. Those big games, those Game 7s that you have to play well. There are some games like that that stand out, but the Jimmy Butler performance since it was in our own backyard and most recent, that's a big number.
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5. Where would you rank Steph Curry right now?

Brown: If you asked me about him say seven years ago, six years ago, maybe five, you'd say what a beautiful shot. His fundamentals are perfect, the rotation and arc on his ball are special. It's beautiful. Then you started looking at his handle. Because of his handle, he can get to his shot. And his handle is ridiculous. His left hand is just crazy to me, how skilled he is with both hands. And now I look at his balance. I can't believe how balanced he is and the speed of which he plays. And you package it all up and you're like, that really is a hard person to guard.

I think that history's gonna end up judging him as one of the great scorers, one of the great backcourt guards of all time. I can't see why they wouldn't. The defense has never been better. The scouting has never been better. The athletes have never been better. And the attention he receives has never been higher. Yet you can't do much about it. I can't see why that might not continue for a while. He's not old. I think we're all going to look back and say, "Wow he's really quite special."

Rivers: It's tough for me to rank guys now because I always say, 'Let them finish their careers.' But if you go with where he is right now and the way he's playing, he's going to be in the top 5 or so. What he's doing has never been done before. The shots he's taking and making, the way he's passing -- and for me, it's prettier to watch than Michael. If I have to watch a style of play, I want shooting.

Curry does everything, and it's flashy and cool to watch. If he continues on this pace for five or six more years, I think he could be top 5. What he's doing right now has never been done. No one shoots the ball off the dribble.

Frazier: When I look at him, the guy has been an All-Star twice. Come on man, the guy doesn't even have a track record. This is what I'm saying that they do today. They just catapult you. What if I had a Game 7 like that today? If I had a Game 7 like that? Come on. I'd be a household name forever. It took me three more years (of averaging) 20 points before they mentioned me in the same breathe as Robertson.

He's going to be a bona fide player but when you look at him on defense -- come on man. Everything is offense. When I total greatness, I total everything. That's why I'm with Robertson, I'm with Chamberlain, I'm with Jordan. They could do it all.

Bosh: I don't know. That's really hard. He's won an MVP, but I think he's just starting. I don't think people expected him to do much. But man, it's just so new. He just comes from a different planet. There's no way to relate. He's just a physical specimen. You think about LeBron -- 6-8 point guard. Shaq -- 300 pounds, 7-1. Steph's just this sniper dude who has unbelievable range and he's quick as a cat.

I'm sure he'll be MVP again -- that's pretty much a no-brainer right now. I don't know what clicked in his brain. I was telling my friends, remember, he's been shooting on NBA rims all his life. Top 50 for sure, especially if he wins MVP. I'd say 30. His number.

Kidd: He's about to crack that. Because he is going to do it hopefully for more than just one year. That's how you become a great. Not just one season but when you can put three to five seasons together like he has been doing. That is when you become a great. He will be top 30 when it is all said and done.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/14739278/debating-all-greats

[Lebronxrings]

even nba players think lebron is top 5. :applause:

meanwhile kobe... :oldlol:

[LongLiveTheKing]

Doc Rivers, Jason Kidd, and Chris Bosh all have LeBron in their top 5. :applause:

[JebronLames]

Kobe?

[Lebronxrings]

Doc Rivers, Jason Kidd, and Chris Bosh all have LeBron in their top 5. :applause:
b-b-but leespn!

Kobe stans take the L

[raprap]

Kidd :applause:

[SouBeachTalents]

Frazier sounds like a bitter old geezer

[Lebronxrings]

kobe stans avoiding this thread like the plague.


:roll:

[DonDraper]

kobe stans avoiding this thread like the plague.


:roll:

:roll: :roll:

[The_Pharcyde]

kobe was supposed to better than jordan, then it was lebron, now its curry

jordan keeps staying at the top of the list... from the opinion of players from every generation

[imnew09]

Doc : puts OSCAR ROBERTON on #4.. ahead of Kareem and Larry.
Magic #1 ahead of MJ.

LOL Okay.

Kidd: Magic #1... Oscar #3 LOL



Nice list :facepalm

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol. So 80% of the league respects kobe and it doesn't matter.

The GOAT MJ says kobe is the only one that belongs in the same category. But that doesn't matter.



5 people speak highly of Lebron and you rejoice :lol

[Prime_Shaq]

I don't know about Top 5 for LeBron, certainly not yet. He's surefire Top 10 though.

[LakersDaBEst]

Doc River has Oscar at TOP 4. Ahead of Larry & Kareem :no:

Kidd has Oscar at TOP 3.

Both have Magic at TOP 1. :facepalm


As a hardcore Lakers fan, I wouldnt even dare to have Magic as TOP 1 man :facepalm



Pass me some of haterade

[34-24 Footwork]

Lol. Draymond Green has been talking shit about lebron on Twitter since 2009...

Fast forward 6-7 years, Draymond has eaten this man's lunch since the NBA finals and has had nothing good to say about him. Neither has Curry.

Greg Popovich obviously doesn't respect Bron because he made Boris Diaw guard him in the finals :lol

Actions speak louder than words.

[imnew09]

Doc River has Oscar at TOP 4. Ahead of Larry & Kareem :no:

Kidd has Oscar at TOP 3.

Both have Magic at TOP 1. :facepalm


As a hardcore Lakers fan, I wouldnt even dare to have Magic as TOP 1 man :facepalm



Pass me some of haterade


That's the most facepalm list of ALL TIME :lol :lol :lol :lol Fken joke

[plowking]

I think that history's gonna end up judging him as one of the great scorers, one of the great backcourt guards of all time. I can't see why they wouldn't. The defense has never been better. The scouting has never been better. The athletes have never been better. And the attention he receives has never been higher. Yet you can't do much about it. I can't see why that might not continue for a while. He's not old. I think we're all going to look back and say, "Wow he's really quite special."

Interesting quote from one of the current coaches...


Another thing that cracks me up is how bitter Frazier is. Dude is relentless in his pursuit not to give anything credit passed his point of competition. :oldlol:


Frazier: When I look at him, the guy has been an All-Star twice. Come on man, the guy doesn't even have a track record. This is what I'm saying that they do today. They just catapult you. What if I had a Game 7 like that today? If I had a Game 7 like that? Come on. I'd be a household name forever. It took me three more years (of averaging) 20 points before they mentioned me in the same breathe as Robertson.


Dude is an MVP Frazier... He also did a whole lot more than you did in your time Frazier. :oldlol:
Dude comparing himself as if he is on the same level as Curry. :oldlol:

[LAZERUSS]

Frazier sounds like a bitter old geezer

Actually he is the only guy on that list that played in the Russell-Wilt-Oscar era. Rivers and Brown were little kids by the time those three were past their primes. And the rest never saw a minute of them live.

And he echoes my sentiment about KAJ. Lack of motivation. COULD HAVE BEEN.

[Bankaii]

Frazier sounds like a bitter old geezer
I was thinking the same thing.

Dude only put "old" era guys in his list and that bullshit about Wilt averaging 70 today?:roll:

[knicksman]

So it seems like my top 5 is almost the same as them. Magic over kareem and duncan in the top 5. So since kobe is top 6 for me then we should take it as gospel

[Bawkish]

i kinda agree on what Bosh says, Curry came out of nowhere. Thats why he so hot because he's reached above the expectation level. Before, everyone knows that Durant would take the torch from Lebron but here comes Curry blowing everything out from their place

[Mr. Jabbar]

Durant would take the torch from Lebron

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

[LongLiveTheKing]

b-b-but leespn!

Kobe stans take the L
Lets see what excuses they come up with :oldlol:

[LongLiveTheKing]

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol
Kobe wasn't mentioned at all in anyone's top 5 :lol

[FKAri]

Another thing that cracks me up is how bitter Frazier is. Dude is relentless in his pursuit not to give anything credit passed his point of competition. :oldlol:



Dude is an MVP Frazier... He also did a whole lot more than you did in your time Frazier. :oldlol:
Dude comparing himself as if he is on the same level as Curry. :oldlol:

Nah. He's totally right. How can you ask anyone where a 2x all-star ranks all time?

People are quick to prop and likewise quick to dismiss in the information age. What have you done for me lately mentality. People don't wait for there to be a body of work.

[DonDraper]

Kobe wasn't mentioned at all in anyone's top 5 :lol

Stake right through the heart :lol

https://wendylovesjesus.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/10d_378-017.jpg


jabbar right now

[Harison]

ESPN list was terrible, but these guys are even worse :wtf: Most Ish posters have better grip at ranking All-time greats than NBA players and coaches :lol

[raprap]

Lol. So 80% of the league respects kobe and it doesn't matter.

The GOAT MJ says kobe is the only one that belongs in the same category. But that doesn't matter.



5 people speak highly of Lebron and you rejoice :lol
Mj is comfortable in complementing kobe because he knows kobe is a 2nd rate copy of him. Kobe is no threat to MJ. He's still top 12 tho. :applause:

[kshutts1]

I'm pretty sure most of those people, particularly current players and coaches, felt obligated and pressured to put current players on the list.

And as for those laughing at Oscar's inclusion... I'm not sure how many times Oscar has to show up in discussion of greats, with people that actually know about him, until everyone stops laughing about it and actually does some research into the man.

[pastis]

ESPN list was terrible, but these guys are even worse :wtf: Most Ish posters have better grip at ranking All-time greats than NBA players and coaches :lol


bbbuuuut, if those coaches had mentioned kobe.....then of course everythig would be alright and making sense etc.:lol

[SpaceJam]

Ahh once again players opinions ONLY matter when it goes with someone's argument :oldlol:

[SexSymbol]

Doc Rivers, Jason Kidd, and Chris Bosh all have LeBron in their top 5. :applause:
bosh doesn't, he put duncan over him.
He played with bron and put a man that beat his ass two times over him.
That's like THE diss.

[SexSymbol]

when someone thinks that Wilt would be a better played today you can just immediately discredit any opinion of that individual for the rest of his life..

And how the fock do you put oscar roberston over kareem, larry, kobe, duncan and so on? This is laughable

[kshutts1]

when someone thinks that Wilt would be a better played today you can just immediately discredit any opinion of that individual for the rest of his life..

And how the fock do you put oscar roberston over kareem, larry, kobe, duncan and so on? This is laughable
1) Wilt would be the best center today, no question. Then with his mobility and athleticism, he'd thrive in small-ball, and be able to help defend it. He'd likely spear-head the team that won the title this year, as one of the Warriors big weaknesses is not having the size or interior defense to defend a behemoth like Shaq or Wilt. Who is gonna do it after Bogut gets into foul trouble? 6'6 Draymond? :roll:

2) Do you know anything about Oscar? Do you know that a large collection of coaches voted him the player of the CENTURY, ahead of such luminaries as Jordan, Kareem, Russell, and Wilt? I suggest you do some research into him and his play.

[zeerghit]

when someone thinks that Wilt would be a better played today you can just immediately discredit any opinion of that individual for the rest of his life..

And how the fock do you put oscar roberston over kareem, larry, kobe, duncan and so on? This is laughable
that u have coach job that is the only think that is laughable

[24-Inch_Chrome]

1) Wilt would be the best center today, no question. Then with his mobility and athleticism, he'd thrive in small-ball, and be able to help defend it. He'd likely spear-head the team that won the title this year, as one of the Warriors big weaknesses is not having the size or interior defense to defend a behemoth like Shaq or Wilt. Who is gonna do it after Bogut gets into foul trouble? 6'6 Draymond? :roll:

2) Do you know anything about Oscar? Do you know that a large collection of coaches voted him the player of the CENTURY, ahead of such luminaries as Jordan, Kareem, Russell, and Wilt? I suggest you do some research into him and his play.
That would require him to not shit-post though, so I think we can figure out why it's not going to happen. :oldlol:

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Lebron Fails the Eye test while players like Kobe,Steph,Bird,Mj,Magic obliterate it


I'm still relativley new to basketball and I don't really care for advance stats or know what most of them mean. I didn't really know what to call it until someone mentioned it here on ish on when you just know from watching a player that they have "it" People call it the "eyetest"

So, I was thinking if it was possible to create an advanced stat that ties in stats but also context or "The Eye Test" I know it might be subjective but an advanced stat that ties in context would be great because as much as good stats are nice to look at it doesn't mean anything if context is no applied to it.

Maybe it can tie in stuff like


1.traveling
2.bit- ching
3.lack of footwork
4.Lack of Jumpshot
5.colluding
6.fg% protection
7.coach killing
8.throwing teammates under the bus when you choke
9.blaming jersey sleeves for a poor shooting night
10/.handpicking teammates then quiting once they get hurt
11.stiffarming
12.lack of respect for coach
13.HGH
14.feeling the need to get hair surgery ,
15.having another player say that they hope your arena smells like alcohol and not do anything about it
16.having mom getting banged by someone 3 years older than you named the BigLambo?

Lelbron fails the Eyetest that much is evident

[aj1987]

Lebron Fails the Eye test while players like Kobe,Steph,Bird,Mj,Magic obliterate it


I'm still relativley new to basketball and I don't really care for advance stats or know what most of them mean. I didn't really know what to call it until someone mentioned it here on ish on when you just know from watching a player that they have "it" People call it the "eyetest"

So, I was thinking if it was possible to create an advanced stat that ties in stats but also context or "The Eye Test" I know it might be subjective but an advanced stat that ties in context would be great because as much as good stats are nice to look at it doesn't mean anything if context is no applied to it.

Maybe it can tie in stuff like


1.traveling
2.bit- ching
3.lack of footwork
4.Lack of Jumpshot
5.colluding
6.fg% protection
7.coach killing
8.throwing teammates under the bus when you choke
9.blaming jersey sleeves for a poor shooting night
10/.handpicking teammates then quiting once they get hurt
11.stiffarming
12.lack of respect for coach
13.HGH
14.feeling the need to get hair surgery ,
15.having another player say that they hope your arena smells like alcohol and not do anything about it
16.having mom getting banged by someone 3 years older than you named the BigLambo?

Lelbron fails the Eyetest that much is evident

How sad is you life that you have to pretend to be a woman on a message board, when you already have a ton of other accounts? SMH! :facepalm

[SexSymbol]

1) Wilt would be the best center today, no question. Then with his mobility and athleticism, he'd thrive in small-ball, and be able to help defend it. He'd likely spear-head the team that won the title this year, as one of the Warriors big weaknesses is not having the size or interior defense to defend a behemoth like Shaq or Wilt. Who is gonna do it after Bogut gets into foul trouble? 6'6 Draymond? :roll:

2) Do you know anything about Oscar? Do you know that a large collection of coaches voted him the player of the CENTURY, ahead of such luminaries as Jordan, Kareem, Russell, and Wilt? I suggest you do some research into him and his play.
1. Wilt doesn't have the skill to be the best center today, his dribble was beyond awful and the ball would get stolen from him on every single possession, his post moves were unrefined and very primitive as expected and he didn't understand team defense that well which is also a given at the time. If you train him from the ground up with his physical tools, sure, he'd be a little better than deandre jordan, but not by much, he wasn't very co-ordinated and didn't have a lot of natural skill.

2. So because oscar was a good friend to them I just rank him by disrespecting other legends who actually impacted their teams positively? Oscar is a career loser who was obsessed with his own stats, reminiscent of bron, it's just that bron had much more talent and considerably more determination to succeed.

[LAZERUSS]

1. Wilt doesn't have the skill to be the best center today, his dribble was beyond awful and the ball would get stolen from him on every single possession, his post moves were unrefined and very primitive as expected and he didn't understand team defense that well which is also a given at the time. If you train him from the ground up with his physical tools, sure, he'd be a little better than deandre jordan, but not by much, he wasn't very co-ordinated and didn't have a lot of natural skill.

2. So because oscar was a good friend to them I just rank him by disrespecting other legends who actually impacted their teams positively? Oscar is a career loser who was obsessed with his own stats, reminiscent of bron, it's just that bron had much more talent and considerably more determination to succeed.

And as always...you are completely full of shit...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCWrGWuU2Ak

Next...

[kshutts1]

1. Wilt doesn't have the skill to be the best center today, his dribble was beyond awful and the ball would get stolen from him on every single possession, his post moves were unrefined and very primitive as expected and he didn't understand team defense that well which is also a given at the time. If you train him from the ground up with his physical tools, sure, he'd be a little better than deandre jordan, but not by much, he wasn't very co-ordinated and didn't have a lot of natural skill.

2. So because oscar was a good friend to them I just rank him by disrespecting other legends who actually impacted their teams positively? Oscar is a career loser who was obsessed with his own stats, reminiscent of bron, it's just that bron had much more talent and considerably more determination to succeed.

If you want your center to dribble the ball for 5-10 seconds on each possession then, sure, maybe he'd regularly have the ball stolen. But one of the best passing big men ever, THE best rebounder and shot blocker ever, one of the fastest and best leaping big men ever, with a legit jump shot is an unrefined player with minimal natural skills? Ok.

Edit to add another big man with minimal "natural skills" but lots of physical tools. Shaq. He did well. And Wilt is noticeably faster, a better leaper, better defender, and much more well-suited to the pace-and-space game of today.

[kshutts1]

1. Wilt doesn't have the skill to be the best center today, his dribble was beyond awful and the ball would get stolen from him on every single possession, his post moves were unrefined and very primitive as expected and he didn't understand team defense that well which is also a given at the time. If you train him from the ground up with his physical tools, sure, he'd be a little better than deandre jordan, but not by much, he wasn't very co-ordinated and didn't have a lot of natural skill.

2. So because oscar was a good friend to them I just rank him by disrespecting other legends who actually impacted their teams positively? Oscar is a career loser who was obsessed with his own stats, reminiscent of bron, it's just that bron had much more talent and considerably more determination to succeed.
I think you and I have different definitions of "positive impact". And that's ok, obviously. I don't need a player's team to reach the playoffs, much less the finals, to know if that player is good, or impacting their team positively. A lot of people disagree with me on that and, again, that's ok.

[k0kakw0rld]

Doc : puts OSCAR ROBERTON on #4.. ahead of Kareem and Larry.
Magic #1 ahead of MJ.

LOL Okay.

Kidd: Magic #1... Oscar #3 LOL



Nice list :facepalm
He is a PG, so PG mentality. :confusedshrug:
Nice list actually and I know you mad :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

I think you and I have different definitions of "positive impact". And that's ok, obviously. I don't need a player's team to reach the playoffs, much less the finals, to know if that player is good, or impacting their team positively. A lot of people disagree with me on that and, again, that's ok.

I would disagree about making the playoffs. It's one thing if your team isn't good and you lose in the first round for a few years, but missing the playoffs, especially now when over 50% of teams make the postseason is pretty embarrassing, especially if it occurs multiple times.

[ArbitraryWater]

Frazier was real af on Curry

[AintNoSunshine]

:lol So Kobe's name did not even pop up once in this long azz questionnaire? I thought he's like the greatest thing since sliced bread according to his cack suckers?

[feyki]

Bosh has great vision . I was aware of that since he called Dirk as best player at 2011 .

[pastis]

Bosh has great vision . I was aware of that since he called Dirk as best player at 2011 .

i read that even know, Bosh watches nearly all Dirk games :applause:

[riseagainst]

Lol. So 80% of the league respects kobe and it doesn't matter.

The GOAT MJ says kobe is the only one that belongs in the same category. But that doesn't matter.



5 people speak highly of Lebron and you rejoice :lol


:lol

[ShawkFactory]

Seems like most players rank Oscar higher than what most fans do.

[Rocketswin2013]

i can't say much about a guy who ranks players he saw play while i haven't, but frazier did seem biased. i agree with some of what rivers said.

[dunksby]

Chamberlain would average 60-70 points today. He averaged 50 back then, when you could maul people and beat them up. What would he do today?
LMAO!

[TheMarkMadsen]

:lol So Kobe's name did not even pop up once in this long azz questionnaire? I thought he's like the greatest thing since sliced bread according to his cack suckers?


you must have missed Lebron's forming teammate saying Kobe had the best performance he's ever seen :confusedshrug: :confusedshrug:

[aj1987]

Frazier was real af on Curry
Yeah, sure. The current era sucks and Wilt could average 70. You do know that he's basically implying that the '60's > the current era, right? The era in which your wank bank (aka LeBron) has been beasting... In short, LeBron = Hondo.

LeBron turds.... :oldlol: you guys never disappoint.