How come Wade couldnt anchor a top 10 offense without Shaq or Bran?

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

WTF happened from 2007-2010, 2015-present :wtf:
6 seasons and mostly bottom 10 offenses :oldlol: :oldlol:

he doesnt make use of his teammates abilities as much as guys like CP3 and Kobe which is why he couldnt anchor elite offenses without another alltime great. His game on offense made himself look better and not his teams, he didnt maximize other players abilities and thats why he falls short of the elite offensive guards alltime

Still a great player. Top 20 peak and top 20 alltime :applause:

[ArbitraryWater]

WTF happened from 2007-2010, 2015-present :wtf:
6 seasons and mostly bottom 10 offenses :oldlol: :oldlol:

he doesnt make use of his teammates abilities as much as guys like CP3 and Kobe which is why he couldnt anchor elite offenses without another alltime great. His game on offense made himself look better and not his teams, he didnt maximize other players abilities and thats why he falls short of the elite offensive guards alltime

Still a great player. Top 20 peak and top 20 alltime :applause:

high praise :applause:

[DonDraper]

Wade is Garbage


Always was, always will be



Dude has Bosh, Whiteside, Dragic, and will still lose in the 1st round at best

[Segatti]

His teams were bad

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

His teams were bad

Kobe anchored top 10 offenses with rosters just as bad in 06 and 07

KD anchored 6th best offense with Westbrook missing half the season in 2014. They were actually a top 4 offense in the games Westbrook missed

CP anchored top 5 offenses with mediocre offensive support. Clips offense has improved WITHOUT Blake and its top 5 with Blake missing 60% of the season

Dirk anchored top tier offenses with crap support and defensive role players

etc etc.....

Wade simply doesnt have the intangibles or do stuff outside the statsheet/boxscore to elevate his teams on offense. IMO not being able to shoot is a big reason for that. He had a good offball game but u can only go so far when all u can do is cuts and alleys

its funny b/c Wade stans give him most of the credit (undeserved he wasnt their best defender) for the elite defenses and say he was a legit DPOY candidate (he wasnt) but ignore the offense.

[plowking]

How about defense?

How about the fact he has never gotten an all defensive first team despite quite clearly being the best defensive guard for probably 4-5 seasons.

[BasedTom]

dumb thread after dumb thread :facepalm

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

How about defense?

How about the fact he has never gotten an all defensive first team despite quite clearly being the best defensive guard for probably 4-5 seasons.

Tell me those 4-5 seasons and ill name at least 3 guards better defensively than him for each

[tpols]

yea, his offense is sorta similar to Bron's in that theyre just dominant slashers who get by on their athleticism.. and who work best w/ a live dribble at the top and lots of screens. To Wade's credit he could actually play off ball if asked to do so. But when he was the pure first option he basically played a variant of lebron or harden ball.. but again he had crappy teammates for much of that span so he was sorta forced into it.

[plowking]

Tell me those 4-5 seasons and ill name at least 3 guards better defensively than him for each

09-13 pretty much.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

dumb thread after dumb thread :facepalm
Its a legit question. Im not doubting Wades individual greatness. I have him as a top 20 peak and top 20 player. He was a good defender and elite offensive player in his prime but for w/e reason he couldnt anchor even average offenses for the most part in those seasons without Shaq/Bran.

Its a legit argument that can be had about his playstyle and its effects on his teammates

[ArbitraryWater]

yea, his offense is sorta similar to Bron's in that theyre just dominant slashers who get by on their athleticism.. and who work best w/ a live dribble at the top and lots of screens. To Wade's credit he could actually play off ball if asked to do so. But when he was the pure first option he basically played a variant of lebron or harden ball.. but again he had crappy teammates for much of that span so he was sorta forced into it.

beside the fact that LeBron led the 2 most efficient offenses ever via eFG% (with the worst rebounding teams in the NBA), while leading the team in usage by far?

[tsforthrees]

same reason Damian Lillard or Allen iverson can't and couldn't. When you have a guy 6'4" and under running an isolation offense it becomes difficult to create matchup problems if you don't have a special team around them.

[TheBigVeto]

Wade sucks.

[tpols]

beside the fact that LeBron led the 2 most efficient offenses ever via eFG% (with the worst rebounding teams in the NBA), while leading the team in usage by far?

you mean the same teams wade was on ?

[ArbitraryWater]

you mean the same teams wade was on ?

I dont care about the Wade comparison or this thread, I disagree with it tbh, LeBron led and anchored the teams, you gonna try to deny this or go into a whole new debate about the help he had now?

[ArbitraryWater]

Plus, Wade was on a maintenance plan in 2014 playing 54 out of 82 games, that team was the 2nd most efficient offense ever....

you lose tpols, take the L and leave.

[Young X]

The thing with Wade is he never really played on "good" or "decent" teams in his prime.

He either played on great teams alongside other all-time greats ('05, '06, '11, '12) or bad teams with scrubs ('07-'10). No in between.

So we never seen him in that kind of situation.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

09-13 pretty much.

09 - Kidd, Hinrich, Kobe
10 - Kidd, Thabo, Raja
11 - id actually agree here he was top 3, Tony was still easily the best guard defender
12 - Tony, Bradley, Thabo
13 - Tony, Iggy, Thabo

[tpols]

Plus, Wade was on a maintenance plan in 2014 playing 54 out of 82 games, that team was the 2nd most efficient offense ever....

you lose tpols, take the L and leave.

soo you mention Lebron leading the two bestest offenses ever in a direct comparison to dwayne wade, get shot down, and now you're trying to hand me an L?


No thank you, sir. You hold tight to that.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

same reason Damian Lillard or Allen iverson can't and couldn't. When you have a guy 6'4" and under running an isolation offense it becomes difficult to create matchup problems if you don't have a special team around them.
Portland is somehow a top 10 offense this season so no on Lillard.

He is a great shooter tho so i think my take on needing ur guard/wing to be a good to great shooter is necessary for a top offense

[ArbitraryWater]

soo you mention Lebron leading the two bestest offenses ever in a direct comparison to dwayne wade, get shot down, and now you're trying to hand me an L?


No thank you, sir. You hold tight to that.

I didnt compare him to Wade, you agreed with the poorer results Wade drew, and compared them to LeBron... I don't care about discussing Wade with you.

LeBron led the 2 most efficient offenses ever, and one of them with his 2nd best offensive player missing TWENTY games..

do you have a rebuttal or nah?

[tpols]

Portland is somehow a top 10 offense this season so no on Lillard.

He is a great shooter tho so i think my take on needing ur guard/wing to be a good to great shooter is necessary for a top offense

thats what I think it is..

Look at jason kidd led teams for example. He could never lead a top offense on his own, but he could anchor top defenses. Wade and Kidd are both guys who can turn defense to offense at a crazy rate, and who excel in transition. Their lack of ability to shoot is a hindrance to both half court offense and their teammates playmaking abilities since defenders can sag and play off more, shading the paint/helping.


Kidd in old age however became a great 3 pt spot up shooter, which allowed him to blend seamlessly into those Mavs teams.. Wade still cant shoot worth shit.

[tsforthrees]

Portland is somehow a top 10 offense this season so no on Lillard.

He is a great shooter tho so i think my take on needing ur guard/wing to be a good to great shooter is necessary for a top offense

Could be true. I guess I should have added sustainably in there but you might be right anyways. Lillard can spread the floor on his own

[plowking]

09 - Kidd, Hinrich, Kobe
10 - Kidd, Thabo, Raja
11 - id actually agree here he was top 3, Tony was still easily the best guard defender
12 - Tony, Bradley, Thabo
13 - Tony, Iggy, Thabo

No. You're wrong.

Plus those guys weren't anchoring top 10 defenses like Wade was.

[WayOfWade]

Interesting question, perhaps he is just a fantastic team player, much like LeBron James but not quite the same caliber

[Mass Debator]

Obviously his teams were shit and he played on one of the slowest paced teams that valued defense over offense. Name the second best player that Wade played with from 07-10.

[DonDraper]

Obviously his teams were shit and he played on one of the slowest paced teams that valued defense over offense. Name the second best player that Wade played with from 07-10.

Shaq/Jermaine O'Neal/Shawn Marion/Ricky Davis/Michael Beasley/Antoine Walker/Alonzo Mourning

Take your pick


Shit.. you could create a damn all-star team with Wade's supporting cast :biggums:

[Akhenaten]

1. Organizationally the Heat just suck at constructing rosters, implementing systems and coaching players that leads to optimal offense.

That's been the Riley model for years, folks will say Showtime but that was more magic and the surrounding talent than anything.

Heat have ALWAYS played at a snail's pace, that's the culture it's Riley's Knick model brought over. Its muddy, mucky, grinding, brutish not at all conducive to flourishing offense.

Like Plowking said what about defense, look at the 09-10 Heat they were 2nd in points against, 2nd in opp FG% and 6th in Drtg. If I were to say Wade "anchored" the 09-10 Heat to a top 3-5 defense (and yes folks, Wade was the CLEARLY the Heat's most impactful individual defender JO only played 28 mpg) you would laugh at me and dismiss my argument despite the numbers and stats backing it up.

Reason being the Heat are almost always a top defensive team and that's because that is the culture, the opposite is true in the obverse because once again..that's the culture. Heat have always had struggle offenses, I guarantee you if Wade were on the Karl Nuggets instead of Melo they'd a been top 5 offense many years.

Heat get personnel and coach for DEFENSE, offense is basically an afterthought, look at how the team this year is constructed. Every team in the league is moving towards shooting 3's Heat still sticking to the antiquated Riley model. Chris BOsh is our frigging best three point shooter :facepalm

Shoot even the BRAWN/Bosh/Wade offenses werent OVERWHELMING all-time great offenses. They were 8th in 11-12 in Ortg and 5th in 12-13, 5th in 13-14, coincidentally they had their highest rating in 10-11 when Wade was playing at his highest level in the big three era..coincidence? Heat organization doesn't know SHIT about offense, we need new blood, INNOVATION a coach that will come in with his own ideas not be Riley's drone like Spoelstra.

2. Did you see the phucking rosters we had post SNAQ pre BRAWN dude :biggums: You talk about the 06-07 Lakers, I would have killed a half dozen cats for Lamar Odom. Plus Kobe played in the West, offense is free flowing you see what happened to him every time he faced an EC team in the playoffs. Shit is ROUGH in the East bro, Wade in the West would have been MURDER.

[WayOfWade]

Shaq/Jermaine O'Neal/Shawn Marion/Ricky Davis/Michael Beasley/Antoine Walker/Alonzo Mourning

Take your pick


Shit.. you could create a damn all-star team with Wade's supporting cast :biggums:
Are you drunk? In what world was Mourning an All-star at that time? Beasley? HA! Jermaine was hot garbage, Wade revived his career for a year. Marion? You mean the year the Heat won 15 games and he bolted without even sniffing the all-star game? And you dare put Ricky Davis? The only All-star was Shaq, study up buddy

[knicksman]

because wade is a mini bran. They dominate the ball thats why their offense is shit.

[knicksman]

beside the fact that LeBron led the 2 most efficient offenses ever via eFG% (with the worst rebounding teams in the NBA), while leading the team in usage by far?

Ortg is better and kobe/gasol is better than wade/bran/bosh trio :confusedshrug:

[red1]

The thing with Wade is he never really played on "good" or "decent" teams in his prime.

He either played on great teams alongside other all-time greats ('05, '06, '11, '12) or bad teams with scrubs ('07-'10). No in between.

So we never seen him in that kind of situation.
This is correct. He's proven that he can carry scrubs to the playoffs and that he can win with elite talent. These last two years don't really mean much because he has clearly been out of his prime which lasted from his second season until 2012 or 2013. He is 34 now with his best day easily behind him.

[Akhenaten]

I mean look at Dragic, the guy's no world beater and CERTAINLY NOT a 20 million dollar player but he is a highly competent offensive player..comes to Heat look like trash. Meanwhile Mario goes to Memphis and he's balling.

Amare aka "the matador" comes to the Heat and all of a sudden this dude is blocking shots, stealing the ball, diving on loose balls..CULTURE.

[Bankaii]

Wade's peak is easily top 10, arguably top 5 all time.

The rest of this thread is dumb, I'm sure Wade's Rings will come in here and rape it though.

[Jacks3]

Wade's peak is easily top 10, arguably top 5 all time.


:roll:

[Lebronxrings]

overrated and free throws. Lots and lots of free throws.

[Wade's Rings]

Kobe anchored top 10 offenses with rosters just as bad in 06 and 07

KD anchored 6th best offense with Westbrook missing half the season in 2014. They were actually a top 4 offense in the games Westbrook missed

CP anchored top 5 offenses with mediocre offensive support. Clips offense has improved WITHOUT Blake and its top 5 with Blake missing 60% of the season

Dirk anchored top tier offenses with crap support and defensive role players

etc etc.....

Wade simply doesnt have the intangibles or do stuff outside the statsheet/boxscore to elevate his teams on offense. IMO not being able to shoot is a big reason for that. He had a good offball game but u can only go so far when all u can do is cuts and alleys

its funny b/c Wade stans give him most of the credit (undeserved he wasnt their best defender) for the elite defenses and say he was a legit DPOY candidate (he wasnt) but ignore the offense.

Who was Miami's Best Defender in '09 & '10?

[PJR]

Who was Miami's Best Defender in '09 & '10?
Yeah, I'd love to hear this lol.

[Wade's Rings]

Wade's peak is easily top 10, arguably top 5 all time.

The rest of this thread is dumb, I'm sure Wade's Rings will come in here and rape it though.

Akhenaten said what I was going to say already. The '10 Heat were an Elite Defense. They were a Top 5 Defense and great statistically across the board. According to Synergy Sports he was the best Man Defender in the League that year and '09.

On the offense part. He had pretty trash teams in '09 & '10. Spo has never been a great Offensive Coach and the Heat were a defensive oriented team playing at an extremely slow pace.

I would like to see Wade's Offensive numbers without Shaq in '05 though. The Heat didn't really skip a beat when Shaq didn't play but Wade did.

Edit: Just remembered Wade also didn't play in the West. Offense is fast pace, run-and-gun put there. Usually outside of the Spurs were mostly average defenses.

[plowking]

How come CP3 and KD couldn't win a ring with stacked supporting casts?

Curry>both of them.

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

thats what I think it is..

Look at jason kidd led teams for example. He could never lead a top offense on his own, but he could anchor top defenses. Wade and Kidd are both guys who can turn defense to offense at a crazy rate, and who excel in transition. Their lack of ability to shoot is a hindrance to both half court offense and their teammates playmaking abilities since defenders can sag and play off more, shading the paint/helping.


Kidd in old age however became a great 3 pt spot up shooter, which allowed him to blend seamlessly into those Mavs teams.. Wade still cant shoot worth shit.
Another disappointing postseason offense for Wade led Heats:( :(

Wades a great offensive player but he's not on the tier 1 or 2 offensive greats. Just doesn't boost his teams and teammates offense. His game makes his stats look better
:

[Dresta]

Kobe anchored top 10 offenses with rosters just as bad in 06 and 07

KD anchored 6th best offense with Westbrook missing half the season in 2014. They were actually a top 4 offense in the games Westbrook missed

CP anchored top 5 offenses with mediocre offensive support. Clips offense has improved WITHOUT Blake and its top 5 with Blake missing 60% of the season

Dirk anchored top tier offenses with crap support and defensive role players

etc etc.....

Wade simply doesnt have the intangibles or do stuff outside the statsheet/boxscore to elevate his teams on offense. IMO not being able to shoot is a big reason for that. He had a good offball game but u can only go so far when all u can do is cuts and alleys

its funny b/c Wade stans give him most of the credit (undeserved he wasnt their best defender) for the elite defenses and say he was a legit DPOY candidate (he wasnt) but ignore the offense.
Kobe had Lamar Odom, a guy who has a huge impact on offense; Wade had literally zero offensive help, and barely any guys who could hit the 3 at over 35%. Again, none of those teams are comparable to the one's Wade had during his prime, when the organisation was waiting for 2010 free agency.

And now:

1. He's older, and not anything like as good as he used to be (though still very good).

2. Miami had zero spacing the first half of this season. No-one except Bosh could hit a 3 pointer, and teams just packed the paint.

3. Once Joe Johnson and Josh Richardson started hitting some 3s, Miami had one of the best offenses in the league (the best, at home, post all-star break), led by a 34 year old Wade. Give 09 Wade this year's team and they're even better.


So yeah, stop with the bullshit. It's easy to ignore circumstances and just arbitrarily pick numbers to suit whatever dumbass argument you happen to be making.

[greatest-ever]

Because he had a shit cast from 08-10 and past his prime the past 2 seasons.

[Dresta]

thats what I think it is..

Look at jason kidd led teams for example. He could never lead a top offense on his own, but he could anchor top defenses. Wade and Kidd are both guys who can turn defense to offense at a crazy rate, and who excel in transition. Their lack of ability to shoot is a hindrance to both half court offense and their teammates playmaking abilities since defenders can sag and play off more, shading the paint/helping.


Kidd in old age however became a great 3 pt spot up shooter, which allowed him to blend seamlessly into those Mavs teams.. Wade still cant shoot worth shit.
lol @ Kobe stans coming in here saying Wade can't shoot.

Wade's career playoff 3pt% >>> Kobe's by the same amount as Kobe's playoff shooting from 16 feet to the 3 point line >>> Wade's.

Healthy Wade in his prime in the playoffs was not someone that allowed teams to "shade the paint" while guarding him. He'd go through whole series where he'd destroy teams from mid-range, barely missing a shot (e.g. Pistons 06). Go back and watch the games and see how tight Tayshuan Prince's contests were, or how Rip Hamilton was constantly stuck to him, wherever he went on the floor.

The 2013 NBA finals isn't a representative of Wade's whole career you know. When he knees were busted his jumper tended to suffer massively as he needs good elevation for it to be reliable (otherwise he's always fading).

[tpols]

lol @ Kobe stans coming in here saying Wade can't shoot.

Wade's career playoff 3pt% >>> Kobe's by the same amount as Kobe's playoff shooting from 16 feet to the 3 point line >>> Wade's.

Healthy Wade in his prime in the playoffs was not someone that allowed teams to "shade the paint" while guarding him. He'd go through whole series where he'd destroy teams from mid-range, barely missing a shot (e.g. Pistons 06). Go back and watch the games and see how tight Tayshuan Prince's contests were, or how Rip Hamilton was constantly stuck to him, wherever he went on the floor.

The 2013 NBA finals isn't a representative of Wade's whole career you know. When he knees were busted his jumper tended to suffer massively as he needs good elevation for it to be reliable (otherwise he's always fading).

the post you quoted is from february, wade couldnt shoot for shit back then. But did turn it up in the playoffs obviously. He still cant spot up shoot though, everything takes like 3-4 dribbles (and sometimes a lot more) for him to finally shoot it. same with joe johnson.


that Heat offense was UGLY, son.

[tpols]

Wade's career playoff 3pt% >>> Kobe's by the same amount as Kobe's playoff shooting from 16 feet to the 3 point line >>> Wade's.



this just isnt true at all when I glanced at bball ref.

Kobe shoots signifigantly more shots at every range (10-16, 16-3pt, 3pt), and Kobe leads Wade by 4% for 10-16 ft, and 1% for 16-3pt.

How the hell does a 1% increase in threes at a way lower volume for wade nullify the 4% and the 1% Kobe has in other areas?


soo.. that was a bs statement.

[Dresta]

the post you quoted is from february, wade couldnt shoot for shit back then. But did turn it up in the playoffs obviously. He still cant spot up shoot though, everything takes like 3-4 dribbles (and sometimes a lot more) for him to finally shoot it. same with joe johnson.


that Heat offense was UGLY, son.
That wasn't because of Wade though, but because no one could make a shot. The rookies struggled (as to be expected), and Joe Johnson couldn't make wide open 3s, and then without Whiteside Miami had no inside-out threat, and were physically outmatched. Are you going to deny that Wade plays great with bigs like Whiteside? He's one of the best in the league at running the pick and roll with a big who can finish; Miami didn't have any bigs half the playoffs!

That Heat offense was beautiful in games 1 and 2 of the Charlotte series, then it just collapsed completely. Miami's inability to consistently hit 3s (aside from Wade lol; Deng was awesome, but disappeared in the 2nd round), and Joe Jonhson's complete collapse (along with Whiteside's injury) killed them, and allowed the Craptors to pack the paint. You think if Wade had shooters like Lebron has on his team the offense would still have been shit?

I really doubt it.

[tpols]

That wasn't because of Wade though, but because no one could make a shot. The rookies struggled (as to be expected), and Joe Johnson couldn't make wide open 3s, and then without Whiteside Miami had no inside-out threat, and were physically outmatched. Are you going to deny that Wade plays great with bigs like Whiteside? He's one of the best in the league at running the pick and roll with a big who can finish; Miami didn't have any bigs half the playoffs!

That Heat offense was beautiful in games 1 and 2 of the Charlotte series, then it just collapsed completely. Miami's inability to consistently hit 3s (aside from Wade lol; Deng was awesome, but disappeared in the 2nd round), and Joe Jonhson's complete collapse (along with Whiteside's injury) killed them, and allowed the Craptors to pack the paint. You think if Wade had shooters like Lebron has on his team the offense would still have been shit?

I really doubt it.

the Heat do suck @ shooting way worse than the cavs.. I wouldnt be surprised if Wade took them as far as LeBron. At least you couldnt dare Wade to shoot in the playoffs this year.

[Dresta]

this just isnt true at all when I glanced at bball ref.

Kobe shoots signifigantly more shots at every range (10-16, 16-3pt, 3pt), and Kobe leads Wade by 4% for 10-16 ft, and 1% for 16-3pt.

How the hell does a 1% increase in threes at a way lower volume for wade nullify the 4% and the 1% Kobe has in other areas?


soo.. that was a bs statement.
No it wasn't because I didn't say anything about 10-16 feet. And as you just posted, the difference at the longer distances was 1%, so saying Wade can't shoot is pretty evidently false if you also think Kobe can shoot.

And actually, between 16 feet and 3, their volume is pretty much the same (28% to 26%). I didn't include the 10 feet parameter because that's not really about shooting or helping with spacing, considering Wade often sends up floaters from 10+ feet or so.

Just admit you're exaggerating Wade's inability to shoot and move on. When he was healthy he's been almost as dangerous from these ranges as Kobe has (and more dangerous around the basket); just look at the season's when he had knee issues, and how much they dragged down his percentages:

2007: 32%

2012: 28%

2013: 33%

Every other season it's been 39% or above (except rookie season, when he actually didn't have a jumpshot).

2006: 45%

2009: 46%

2010: 54%

2011: 46%

A consistantly great shooter in the playoffs from mid-range.

So yeah, you're ignoring context to propagate a myth (that Wade could never shoot).

edit: fyi, Kobe's best performance from this range was in 2009-10, when he shot 43% (taking 24% of his shots from there); Wade, on the other hand, took 34% of his shots from there in 06, and therefore shot a higher percentage on a much higher volume

[warriorfan]

No it wasn't because I didn't say anything about 10-16 feet. And as you just posted, the difference at the longer distances was 1%, so saying Wade can't shoot is pretty evidently false if you also think Kobe can shoot.

And actually, between 16 feet and 3, their volume is pretty much the same (28% to 26%). I didn't include the 10 feet parameter because that's not really about shooting or helping with spacing, considering Wade often sends up floaters from 10+ feet or so.

Just admit you're exaggerating Wade's inability to shoot and move on. When he was healthy he's been almost as dangerous from these ranges as Kobe has (and more dangerous around the basket); just look at the season's when he had knee issues, and how much they dragged down his percentages:

2007: 32%

2012: 28%

2013: 33%

Every other season it's been 39% or above (except rookie season, when he actually didn't have a jumpshot).

2006: 45%

2009: 46%

2010: 54%

2011: 46%

A consistantly great shooter in the playoffs from mid-range.

So yeah, you're ignoring context to propagate a myth (that Wade could never shoot).

edit: fyi, Kobe's best performance from this range was in 2009-10, when he shot 43% (taking 24% of his shots from there); Wade, on the other hand, took 34% of his shots from there in 06, and therefore shot a higher percentage on a much higher volume

did you actually go through all of this to try to say that wade spaces the floor as much as kobe?

holy shit

epic not knowing ball fail :facepalm

[tpols]

dresta,

kobe is a much better floor spacer than Wade.. he takes like triple the amount of 3's and also shoots more from 16 ft - 3 pt. I dont know what you're going on about, but its a sizeable difference.

not only do the stats say it, but just watching them, defenders are in Kobe's shirt all the way out to 3 pt range.. often throughout Wade's career he has been conceded the 3 entirely and especially spot up 3's.. only time he seems to hit them is when he can take his time and lather himself into one. Kobe is a much quicker striker from range.

[GrapeApe]

dresta,

kobe is a much better floor spacer than Wade.. he takes like triple the amount of 3's and also shoots more from 16 ft - 3 pt. I dont know what you're going on about, but its a sizeable difference.

not only do the stats say it, but just watching them, defenders are in Kobe's shirt all the way out to 3 pt range.. often throughout Wade's career he has been conceded the 3 entirely and especially spot up 3's.. only time he seems to hit them is when he can take his time and lather himself into one. Kobe is a much quicker striker from range.

Wade causing spacing problems for an offense is a complete myth. Nobody denies that Kobe is a better spot up shooter, but Wade's gravity is among the best in the league and has been for years. Contrary to popular belief, shooting isn't the only way to space the floor.

http://espn.go.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/11743150/nba-examining-why-defenders-play-close-dwyane-wade-3-point-line

Wade is shadowed off the ball out to the 3 point line as if he was a deadly shooter. The main reason for that is his amazing cutting ability and instincts for exploiting soft spots in a defense. This can actually create more havoc for a defense because defenders are forced to not only keep an eye on Wade but also the cutting lanes. Defenders do sag off him when the ball is in his hands, but they stay glued to him off the ball.

[Hey Yo]

the Heat do suck @ shooting way worse than the cavs.. I wouldnt be surprised if Wade took them as far as LeBron. At least you couldnt dare Wade to shoot in the playoffs this year.

:biggums:


Lay off the meth, Chico

[GrapeApe]

:biggums:


Lay off the meth, Chico

It's not THAT outlandish. If you replaced Lebron with Wade on the Cavs they would probably still make the finals. I don't think they'd have a shot to beat GS or OKC, but they'd still get there.

[Dray n Klay]

It's not THAT outlandish. If you replaced Lebron with Wade on the Cavs they would probably still make the finals. I don't think they'd have a shot to beat GS or OKC, but they'd still get there.
They'd have a better chance of missing the playoffs, then they would have of going to the finals

[Jacks3]

Wade causing spacing problems for an offense is a complete myth.

No, it's not, you idiot.

His crappy shooting played a huge role in the offensive problems the Heat suffered in the 2013 and 2014 Finals.

Here's Zach Lowe (best basketball writer on the planet) on it:

[QUOTE]Wade can

[GrapeApe]

They'd have a better chance of missing the playoffs, then they would have of going to the finals

Wade won 48 games while missing Bosh for nearly half the season and won a playoff series. I'm sure he'd have no problem making the playoffs with a pair of 3x all-stars in their prime as his second and third options. He probably wouldn't have to lead his team in points, assists, rebounds, blocks, and 3pt% in a playoff series either.

[GrapeApe]

No, it's not, you idiot.

His crappy shooting played a huge role in the offensive problems the Heat suffered in the 2013 and 2014 Finals.

Name calling huh. Are you 14? I posted facts and an article to back those facts. You chose to completely ignore everything I said and the article I posted to back it, yet I'm the idiot? I also acknowledged that Kobe is a better shooter. You can read, can't you?

The Heat's struggles in the 2013 playoffs the and 2014 finals were because of Wade's health, not his shooting. When Wade was healthy the Heat had one of the most potent offenses in the league. His injuries limited his effectiveness in doing the things that created his elite gravity. I suppose you could argue that his inconsistent jumper exacerbated the issue, but the point is when he was healthy the Heat's offense flourished. Again, shooting isn't the only way to space the floor.