LeBron 09 VS Jordan 90 VS Shaq 00 VS Magic 86 - Playoffs

[jongib369]

Any names with an * next to it is adjusted for assists that led to a 3 per game.

PRF= Points+points from assists.

None of the 'totals include FGA or FG%

For players with the *, after the : will be that PRF stat calculated like every player before 97




Playoffs 14 games
*LeBron 09 PRF- 52.38 : 49.9 [/b] -- FG%.510 (22.3 FGA)
Blocks- .9
Steals-1.6
Rebounds-9.1
Fouled-14.2
Free Throws made-10.6

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1= 88.69 : 86.3
Total 2= 74.49 : 72.1
Total 3= 63.89 : 61.5

Playoffs 16 games
Jordan 90 PRF- 50.3-- FG%.514 (26.6 FGA)
Blocks- .9
Steals-2.8
Rebounds-7.2
Fouled-9.9
Free Throws made-8.3

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1= 79.4
Total 2= 69.5
Total 3= 61.2


Playoffs 14 games
Magic 86 PRF- 51.8-- FG%.537 (14.6 FGA)
Blocks- .1
Steals-1.9
Rebounds-7.1
Fouled-7.6
Free Throws made-5.9

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1= 74.4
Total 2= 66.8
Total 3= 60.9


Playoffs 23 games
*SHAQ 00 PRF-37.92 : 36.88 FG%.566 (22 FGA)
Blocks- 2.4
Steals-0.6
Rebounds- 15.4
Fouled-12.9
Free Throws made- 5.9

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.)
Total 1= 75.12 : 74.08
Total 2= 62.22 : 61.18
Total 3= 56.32 : 55.28

[jongib369]

Kareem in 74 matches Lebrons Total with 61.5, without adjusted rebounds

Unless I'm mistaken a few of Wilts playoff totals would edge out LeBron/Kareem WITH adjusted rebounds to Love-Dennis Rodman levels, assuming he averaged at least 3.5 blocks, and 1 steal. But I'll post that at a later date, if at all

ESPNs recent ranking have rustled a few jimmies, including my own...But in terms of statistical dominance, LeBron does have a case to be in top 5 according to this stat. Though admittedly it's not perfect, and just one piece of the puzzle.




Any names with an * next to it is adjusted for assists that led to a 3 per game.

PRF= Points+points from assists.

None of the 'totals include FGA or FG%

For players with the *, after the : will be that PRF stat calculated like every player before 97

*Lebron 10 PRF-49.6 : 46.84 -- FG%.503 (20.1 FGA)
Blocks- 1
Steals-1.6
Rebounds-7.3
Fouled-10.2
Free Throws made-7.8

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1=77.5 : 74.74
Total 2=67.3 : 64.54
Total 3=59.5 : 56.74


Bird 87 PRF-43.3 -- FG%.525 (20.2 FGA)
Blocks- 0.9
Steals-1.8
Rebounds-9.2
Fouled-6.1
Free Throws made-5.6

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1=66.9
Total 2=60.8
Total 3=55.2


Magic 87 PRF- 48.3 -- FG%.525 (16.4 FGA)
Blocks- 0.5
Steals-1.7
Rebounds-6.3
Fouled-7.9
Free Throws made-6.7

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1=71.4
Total 2=63.5
Total 3=56.8


*SHAQ 00 PRF- 38.11 : 37.26 FG% .574 (21.1 FGA)
Blocks- 3
Steals-0.5
Rebounds- 13.6
Fouled-10.4
Free Throws made- 5.5

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.)
Total 1= 71.11 : 70:26
Total 2=60.71 : 59.86
Total 3=55.21 : 54.36

*Jordan 97 PRF-39.24 : 38.18-- FG%.486 (23.1 FGA)
Blocks- 0.5
Steals-1.7
Rebounds-5.9
Fouled-7
Free Throws made-5.9

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1=60.24 : 59.18
Total 2=53.24 : 52:18
Total 3=47.34 : 46.28

Jordan 89 PRF- 48.5-- FG% .538 (24.0 FGA)
Blocks- 0.8
Steals-2.9
Rebounds-8
Fouled-9.8
Free Throws made-8.3

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.)
Total 1=78.3
Total 2=68.5
Total 3=60.2

Wilt 67 PRF- 41.5-- FG% .683 (14.2 FGA)
Blocks- NA
Steals-NA
Rebounds-24.2
Fouled-10.8
Free Throws made-4.8

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.)
Total 1=81.3
Total 2=70.5
Total 3=65.7

Wilts totals if he maxed out at Denis Rodmans rebounds in 97 16.1/Dennis max 18.7

Total 1=73.2/75.8
Total 2= 62.4/65
Total 3= 57.6/60.2


Isiah 85 PRF-49 -- FG%.458 (17.4 FGA)
Blocks- 0.3
Steals-2.3
Rebounds-4.5
Fouled-6.1
Free Throws made-4.9

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1=67.1
Total 2=61
Total 3=56.1


Wilt 62 PRF-55.2 FG% .506 (39.5 FGA)
Blocks- NA
Steals-NA
Rebounds- 25.7
Free throws attempted-17.0
Free Throws made- 10.4


(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.)
Total 1= 108.3
Total 2=91.3
Total 3= 80.9

Wilts totals if he maxed out at Denis Rodmans rebounds in 97 16.1/Dennis max 18.7


Total 1= 98.7/101.3
Total 2= 81.7/84.3
Total 3= 71.3/73.9


*Curry 16 per 36 PRF- 47.03 : 45.2 FG% .506 (20.6 FGA)
Blocks- 0.2
Steals-2.3
Rebounds- 5.6
Free throws attempted-5.9
Free Throws made- 5.4


**Per 36**
(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data. None of the 'totals include FGA or FG%)
Total 1=66.43 :64.6
Total 2=60.53 : 58.7
Total 3= 55.13 : 53.3

[feyki]

Good work :applause: .

09 LBJ
90 MJ



86 Magic
00 Shaq

..

[ISHGoat]

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[Fire Colangelo]

Idk, but 09 LBJ was some godly shit.

[SpaceJam]

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[jongib369]

Idk, but 09 LBJ was some godly shit.
What don't you know? That he has a case for top 5?

I'd have to find out more of these totals for him and others to truly determine thay according to this stat...What do you think, 6 season average? Longevity counts for something, but it's overstated in terms of peak play IMO

[Bankaii]

Wish he could've had a contending team that year.

09 Bron and 09 Wade on the same team?:bowdown: :eek:

[Fire Colangelo]

What don't you know? That he has a case for top 5?

I'd have to find out more of these totals for him and others to truly determine thay according to this stat...What do you think, 6 season average? Longevity counts for something, but it's overstated in terms of peak play IMO

Yeah, idk if he has a case for top 5 yet.

Would love him to get there eventually in his career, but I feel like it's too early.

I really wish 2011 didn't happen, that way I can comfortably have him in my top 5....

[jongib369]

Yeah, idk if he has a case for top 5 yet.

Would love him to get there eventually in his career, but I feel like it's too early.

I really wish 2011 didn't happen, that way I can comfortably have him in my top 5....
Longevity is a big factor for you I assume?

[He Strong]

LeBron shouldn't even be in this conversation.

[Wade's Rings]

LeBron shouldn't even be in this conversation.

I don't like Bron but his '09 Season was great especially the Playoffs. He deserves a mention.

[He Strong]

I don't like Bron but his '09 Season was great especially the Playoffs. He deserves a mention.
Got dominated by the Orlando Magic :coleman:

[Wade's Rings]

Got dominated by the Orlando Magic :coleman:

Lol he still had a great Playoff run overall.

[jongib369]

LeBron shouldn't even be in this conversation.
Why not? What discredits his 09 playoff run compaired to the others? Or his 2010 season being amongst the best all time, and I'm sure his other seasons are as well. Playing the Devils advocate to get a conversation going, hopefully it'll pull more people in




Any names with an * next to it is adjusted for assists that led to a 3 per game.

PRF= Points+points from assists.

None of the 'totals include FGA or FG%

For players with the *, after the : will be that PRF stat calculated like every player before 97

*Lebron 10 PRF-49.6 : 46.84 -- FG%.503 (20.1 FGA)
Blocks- 1
Steals-1.6
Rebounds-7.3
Fouled-10.2
Free Throws made-7.8

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1=77.5 : 74.74
Total 2=67.3 : 64.54
Total 3=59.5 : 56.74


Bird 87 PRF-43.3 -- FG%.525 (20.2 FGA)
Blocks- 0.9
Steals-1.8
Rebounds-9.2
Fouled-6.1
Free Throws made-5.6

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1=66.9
Total 2=60.8
Total 3=55.2


Magic 87 PRF- 48.3 -- FG%.525 (16.4 FGA)
Blocks- 0.5
Steals-1.7
Rebounds-6.3
Fouled-7.9
Free Throws made-6.7

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1=71.4
Total 2=63.5
Total 3=56.8


*SHAQ 00 PRF- 38.11 : 37.26 FG% .574 (21.1 FGA)
Blocks- 3
Steals-0.5
Rebounds- 13.6
Fouled-10.4
Free Throws made- 5.5

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.)
Total 1= 71.11 : 70:26
Total 2=60.71 : 59.86
Total 3=55.21 : 54.36

*Jordan 97 PRF-39.24 : 38.18-- FG%.486 (23.1 FGA)
Blocks- 0.5
Steals-1.7
Rebounds-5.9
Fouled-7
Free Throws made-5.9

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1=60.24 : 59.18
Total 2=53.24 : 52:18
Total 3=47.34 : 46.28

Jordan 89 PRF- 48.5-- FG% .538 (24.0 FGA)
Blocks- 0.8
Steals-2.9
Rebounds-8
Fouled-9.8
Free Throws made-8.3

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.)
Total 1=78.3
Total 2=68.5
Total 3=60.2

Wilt 67 PRF- 41.5-- FG% .683 (14.2 FGA)
Blocks- NA
Steals-NA
Rebounds-24.2
Fouled-10.8
Free Throws made-4.8

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.)
Total 1=81.3
Total 2=70.5
Total 3=65.7

Wilts totals if he maxed out at Denis Rodmans rebounds in 97 16.1/Dennis max 18.7

Total 1=73.2/75.8
Total 2= 62.4/65
Total 3= 57.6/60.2


Isiah 85 PRF-49 -- FG%.458 (17.4 FGA)
Blocks- 0.3
Steals-2.3
Rebounds-4.5
Fouled-6.1
Free Throws made-4.9

(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.
Total 1=67.1
Total 2=61
Total 3=56.1


Wilt 62 PRF-55.2 FG% .506 (39.5 FGA)
Blocks- NA
Steals-NA
Rebounds- 25.7
Free throws attempted-17.0
Free Throws made- 10.4


(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data.)
Total 1= 108.3
Total 2=91.3
Total 3= 80.9

Wilts totals if he maxed out at Denis Rodmans rebounds in 97 16.1/Dennis max 18.7


Total 1= 98.7/101.3
Total 2= 81.7/84.3
Total 3= 71.3/73.9


*Curry 16 per 36 PRF- 47.03 : 45.2 FG% .506 (20.6 FGA)
Blocks- 0.2
Steals-2.3
Rebounds- 5.6
Free throws attempted-5.9
Free Throws made- 5.4


**Per 36**
(Total 1 all. Total 2 without FTA. Total 3 without any free throw data. None of the 'totals include FGA or FG%)
Total 1=66.43 :64.6
Total 2=60.53 : 58.7
Total 3= 55.13 : 53.3

[He Strong]

Why not? What discredits his 09 playoff run compaired to the others? Or his 2010 season being amongst the best all time, and I'm sure his other seasons are as well. Playing the Devils advocate to get a conversation going, hopefully it'll pull more people in
Losing badly to the Magic and giving up. If he loses badly to the Magic and gives up, how in the heck is he supposed to even compare prime Jordan, Shaq, or Johnson?

[Kblaze8855]

From another topic...


Don't know if you answered/saw my question earlier in this thread, but what are your thoughts on the PRF+Total stat I've been posting lately? I'm thinking of doing a peak/6-8 year stretch/average version of it, and making a top 10-15 based off it. Do you think that would be worth the time and effort?


Probably. I meant to reply earlier but first time I saw this I was mostly wondering about the adjusted assists for made 3s and wanted to look into that. Its always interested me.

[Magic 32]

I pick the guys who won something.

Magic shouldn't even have been in the ECF.

[Akhenaten]

Good work :applause: .

09 LBJ
90 MJ



86 Magic
00 Shaq

..

But what about Lebron's 16 FT's a game though, he had ref help, 94 FT's in 6 games and still lost? :wtf:


How could you hold it so high, I thought you were against ref help :biggums:

[feyki]

But what about Lebron's 16 FT's a game though, he had ref help, 94 FT's in 6 games and still lost? :wtf:


How could you hold it so high, I thought you were against ref help :biggums:

I hate refs protection . But rules man . Everybody want much more than he has , that's human instinct .

Actually i'm little bit confused on Lebron's 2009 . Sometimes , I think He's 09 all time great peak , like Jordan,Kareem . But Sometimes , I also think Kobe was better at that year . Lebron wasn't good on defence at Magic series . But he had amazing playoff run on offence .

I don't know at all .

[90sgoat]

[QUOTE=ISHGoat]That poster you just negged? He's overdosing on creatine. The camwhore you just told to gtfo? She's sending nudes to whiteknights to feel loved. The OP you just called a *******? He's a *******. See the guy who doesn't even look like he lifts? He does crossfit, it's not his fault. The guy who just got modnegged? He's selling dick pics to get back into the green. That detective who ruined your life? [quote]
In on secret rep trade thread brah.

[Akhenaten]

I hate refs protection . But rules man . Everybody want much more than he has , that's human instinct .



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