Calculate your taxes: Bernie vs. Trump

[9erempiree]

Here is a good site...as mentioned before, social issues aside, you vote for someone that will directly affect your wallet.

Hope this helps.

https://www.taxrate.xyz/

Stop worrying about how much the rich have to pay and worry about how much you have to pay.

[Patrick Chewing]

I would keep 6k more under Trump's plan than Bernie's and keep 5k more under Trump's plan than the current plan.


Clearly Trump is the winner here. I don't know how Bernie can convince young people that they will make more money when it is the complete opposite.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Anyone care to explain how he'll cut spending enough to match that tax plan?

[Terahite]

Anyone care to explain how he'll cut spending enough to match that tax plan?

Not waging aggressive wars and funding terrorism all over the globe is a good start.

[9erempiree]

Anyone care to explain how he'll cut spending enough to match that tax plan?

When the issues are addresses then I will reevaluate or perhaps not.

As I see it now, I would like to keep my hard earn dollars.

Why would you want to be taxed more?

[Draz]

When the issues are addresses then I will reevaluate or perhaps not.

As I see it now, I would like to keep my hard earn dollars.

Why would you want to be taxed more?
To improve the country and make America great again duh

[KyrieTheFuture]

When the issues are addresses then I will reevaluate or perhaps not.

As I see it now, I would like to keep my hard earn dollars.

Why would you want to be taxed more?
What?



So even if it destroys the country you'd rather have lower taxes?

[Micku]

I posted this in the another thread, but I'll post it here:

The far left is the current law. The middle is Trump's plan. The far right is Sanders plan.
Income Levels
$0-$18,550~ 10% 0% 10%
$18,550-$75,300~ 15% 10% 15%
$75,300-$151,900~ 25% 10%/20% 25%
$151,900-$231,450~ 28% 20%/25% 28%
$231,450-$413,350~ 33% 25% 37%
$413,350-$466,950~ 35% 25% 37%
$466,960-$500,000~ 39.6% 25% 37%
$500,000-$2,000,000~ 39.6% 25% 43%
$2,000,000-$10,000,000~ 39.6% 25% 48%
$10,000,000

[Draz]

I'm sure everyone here makes more than that

[9erempiree]

I'm sure everyone here makes more than that

Did you try to calculator?

Which one saved you the most?

[Micku]

Did you try to calculator?

Which one saved you the most?

Dat calculator seems like a troll. But I'll try it out. Check out its links and everything.

[jongib369]

http://media.salon.com/2015/09/trump_mcmahon.jpg

[Micku]

Got some interesting links out of the site.



Senator Bernie Sanders’s tax plan would reduce the economy’s size by 9.5 percent in the long run. The plan would lead to 4.3 percent lower wages, an 18.6 percent smaller capital stock, and 6.0 million fewer full-time equivalent jobs. The smaller economy results from higher marginal tax rates on capital and labor income.


http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-senator-bernie-sanders-s-tax-plan

Which is much different than what the other economists have been saying.

And this one on Trump:


tax plan would increase the size of the economy by 11 percent over the long run. The plan would lead to 6.5 percent higher wages and a 29 percent larger capital stock. The larger economy is mainly the result of the significant reduction in the service price of capital due to the rate reductions for corporations and pass through businesses. In addition, the reduction of marginal tax rates on individual income would increase incentives to work and result in 5.3 million full-time equivalent jobs.


http://taxfoundation.org/article/details-and-analysis-donald-trump-s-tax-plan

So, this is awesome. Getting the other side. It is said that the tax foundation do have a conservative bias, and they may not have the same consensus as the economic community, it doesn't mean that they are wrong tho.

[bladefd]

I would keep 6k more under Trump's plan than Bernie's and keep 5k more under Trump's plan than the current plan.


Clearly Trump is the winner here. I don't know how Bernie can convince young people that they will make more money when it is the complete opposite.

How much do you pay for medical insurance yearly? Premiums and co-pay included.

[Nick Young]

It is sad that these libs are campaigning so that poor people pay MORE taxes to big government.

And they pretend the dems are pro-working class.:facepalm

[bladefd]

When the issues are addresses then I will reevaluate or perhaps not.

As I see it now, I would like to keep my hard earn dollars.

Why would you want to be taxed more?

How much do you pay for medical insurance yearly? Premiums and co-pay included.

[bladefd]

Btw, I save 3,500 with Trump's plan than Bernie's........



........... until I realize I spend $50 per doctor visits. I visit 2 doctors per year. My parents pay premium as I am on their plan. Premium is maybe $6000 per year. $100 more for doctor visits. If any tests get ordered, I dunno the copay for tests. You do the math of how much I would save with Bernie with the premiums gone and copay as well.

[Patrick Chewing]

How much do you pay for medical insurance yearly? Premiums and co-pay included.


Please. I pay about $100 a month for medical, dental, and vision. I keep myself in decent shape so i don't have to visit hospitals. So your Sanders healthcare logic will not work here.

[bladefd]

Please. I pay about $100 a month for medical, dental, and vision. I keep myself in decent shape so i don't have to visit hospitals. So your Sanders healthcare logic will not work here.

So that is $1200 premium annually. How much is copay? I'm sure you have copay for medical tests if necessary down the road.

Remember, not everyone is as blessed as you in terms of health. Many people have one issue or another, where working out or "manning up" does not suffice. Meds/treatments/etc

[Nick Young]

So that is $1200 premium annually. How much is copay? I'm sure you have copay for medical tests if necessary down the road.

Remember, not everyone is as blessed as you in terms of health. Many people have one issue or another, where working out or "manning up" does not suffice. Meds/treatments/etc
If people are going to be fat and unhealthy, they will have to pay for it themselves.

If people get sick or in some kind of bad accident, it sucks, but they will have to pay for it themselves.

Such is life.

Scandinavian/UK style healthcare system will not work in a nation as large as the US. on top of several other factors, there are millions of illegal immigrants currently in the country who would take advantage of it, just as they do in the UK and Scandinavia and every country in the world that offers free healthcare to people.

[aj1987]

If people are going to be fat and unhealthy, they will have to pay for it themselves.

If people get sick or in some kind of bad accident, it sucks, but they will have to pay for it themselves.

Such is life.

Scandinavian/UK style healthcare system will not work in a nation as large as the US. on top of several other factors, there are millions of illegal immigrants currently in the country who would take advantage of it, just as they do in the UK and Scandinavia and every country in the world that offers free healthcare to people.
I really don't care for Sanders' 37% tax, but there are a shit ton of fit people who are employed WITHOUT healthcare and can't afford treatments for unforeseen diseases/illnesses. You can't just say "such is life" and let hundreds of thousands of people suffer. What about kids with hereditary diabetes? It's a NASTY disease and there are a lot of people who can't afford healthcare to control it. Cancer?

If the person in question is not well due to his unhealthy lifestyle, then I'd agree with you. They brought it upon themselves and they just have to face the consequences. I really do not like them burdening the healthcare system.

[Nick Young]

I really don't care for Sanders' 37% tax, but there are a shit ton of fit people who are employed WITHOUT healthcare and can't afford treatments for unforeseen diseases/illnesses. You can't just say "such is life" and let hundreds of thousands of people suffer. What about kids with hereditary diabetes? It's a NASTY disease and there are a lot of people who can't afford healthcare to control it. Cancer?

If the person in question is not well due to his unhealthy lifestyle, then I'd agree with you. They brought it upon themselves and they just have to face the consequences. I really do not like them burdening the healthcare system.
bro you will have to take the good with the bad and as noble as it is to offer free healthcare for everyone, the fatties and the skivers will take advantage of the system and drag it down for everyone else and cause it to fail. We simply aren't capable of making up for the freeloader drains. That's why the NHS is going to hell, and why the German and Swedish healthcare systems are going to hell with the recent influx of economic immigrants. All of these problems will exist in Free Berniecare, only because it's America they will be proportionally larger than they are in European countries. The system will simply be unable to sustain itself because the freeloaders will drag it down and ruin it for everyone. America is too big for free healthcare.

[aj1987]

bro you will have to take the good with the bad and as noble as it is to offer free healthcare for everyone, the fatties and the skivers will take advantage of the system and drag it down for everyone else and cause it to fail. We simply aren't capable of making up for the freeloader drains. That's why the NHS is going to hell, and why the German and Swedish healthcare systems are going to hell with the recent influx of economic immigrants. All of these problems will exist in Free Berniecare, only because it's America they will be proportionally larger than they are in European countries. The system will simply be unable to sustain itself because the freeloaders will drag it down and ruin it for everyone. America is too big for free healthcare.
What if they have free healthcare only for people with less than 20% body fat?

[Nick Young]

What if they have free healthcare only for people with less than 20% body fat?
It would encourage people to be healthy, but the fatties of America would unite against the system, leading to its destruction.

[NumberSix]

You can't have an immigration policy where 51% of the immigrants you let in collect welfare, open borders where illegal immigration costs $400 billion per year and also have "free" college and health care.

[Nick Young]

You can't have an immigration policy where 51% of the immigrants you let in collect welfare, open borders where illegal immigration costs $400 billion per year and also have "free" college and health care.
ETHER:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[rufuspaul]

I would save $32,000 under Trump's plan, enough to hire another employee. I would also save on health insurance since Obamacare would be repealed. Since Obamacare was enacted my insurance premiums have doubled.

Trump is an egomaniacal lunatic, but hey, $32,000 plus no more Obamacare is starting to sound pretty good.

[9erempiree]

I would save $32,000 under Trump's plan, enough to hire another employee. I would also save on health insurance since Obamacare would be repealed. Since Obamacare was enacted my insurance premiums have doubled.

Trump is an egomaniacal lunatic, but hey, $32,000 plus no more Obamacare is starting to sound pretty good.

Great to hear.

I've been saying this in every election that the working class, people that work for a living want to keep their money.

You have to seriously consider Trump.

[Dresta]

I would save $32,000 under Trump's plan, enough to hire another employee. I would also save on health insurance since Obamacare would be repealed. Since Obamacare was enacted my insurance premiums have doubled.

Trump is an egomaniacal lunatic, but hey, $32,000 plus no more Obamacare is starting to sound pretty good.
How are people still portraying Obamacare as a success? This project has been like a bottomless pit of waste and unnecessary expenses, not to mention how coercive it is.

A policy that is arbitrary, coercive, wasteful and ineffective: "WHY WON'T YOU DAMN WINGNUTS JUST ACCEPT THAT OBAMACARE IS THE BESTEST AND WORKS 100% FFS, YOU JUST WANT POOR PEOPLE TO DIE, CUNTFACE."

[Bosnian Sajo]

http://media.salon.com/2015/09/trump_mcmahon.jpg


Holy shit, Bobby Lashley! I forgot all about him, dude was such a beast.

[Jameerthefear]

I would save $32,000 under Trump's plan, enough to hire another employee. I would also save on health insurance since Obamacare would be repealed. Since Obamacare was enacted my insurance premiums have doubled.

Trump is an egomaniacal lunatic, but hey, $32,000 plus no more Obamacare is starting to sound pretty good.
how much do u make?

[aj1987]

how much do u make?
~270K is my guess.


You can't have an immigration policy where 51% of the immigrants you let in collect welfare, open borders where illegal immigration costs $400 billion per year and also have "free" college and health care.
Source for those numbers?

[blablabla]

You can't have an immigration policy where 51% of the immigrants you let in collect welfare, open borders where illegal immigration costs $400 billion per year and also have "free" college and health care.
Yeah they don't. Illegal Immigrants due not have free health care in the EU, apart from life threatening situations. And if they do have to come in they will be reported to the authorities.

[DukeDelonte13]

I would save $32,000 under Trump's plan, enough to hire another employee. I would also save on health insurance since Obamacare would be repealed. Since Obamacare was enacted my insurance premiums have doubled.

Trump is an egomaniacal lunatic, but hey, $32,000 plus no more Obamacare is starting to sound pretty good.


I have my own business and my premiums went DOWN under obamacare by a significant amount. I was paying way more for far less coverage. Get a new broker or handle it yourself. You are getting f*cked in the ass. My old broker tried to f*ck me and get me to "opt in" before the changes took place. If you did that, you get trapped paying ridiculous amounts. A lot of people did that because they hate Obama and anything associated with him so any line about not signing up for it people ate up.

You aren't doing something right because if you have under 25 employees and are giving them benefits you should qualify for a tax credit.

EDIT: I see a lot of people who b*tch about paying more under obamacare and literally every single one has an out of market plan.

[rufuspaul]

how much do u make?


$385,000 last year before taxes.



I have my own business and my premiums went DOWN under obamacare by a significant amount. I was paying way more for far less coverage.

My 3 employees are covered under their husband's insurance. This is just to cover me, my wife and daughter. We don't qualify for any subsidy because of income and there are only a handful of insurance companies in the state to choose from now. Even with an enormous deductible our premiums have skyrocketed.

[NumberSix]

$385,000 last year before taxes.
That puts you in the "evil 1%" category that everybody wants to tax the shit out of. Tell me, do you feel like you're getting taxed too little?

[Draz]

$385,000 last year before taxes.



:biggums:
Df you do?

Hitman?

[Patrick Chewing]

:biggums:
Df you do?

Hitman?


He's a Dentist to the stars. He worked on Christian Bale once. Bale had some serious chompers.

[Draz]

He's a Dentist to the stars.
Jesus CHRIST.

$300k salary

My god, this man powerful

[jimmybball]

Of course you will pay less in taxes under Trump than under Bernie. You shouldn't need a calculator to figure that out. The question is, does the taxes Bernie's plan take from you get used in a way that justifies the tax. I believe it will, but this is where opinion matters and differs from person to person.

[navy]

Bernie's tax plan is silly. Taxes need to be lowered across the board like Trumps plan entails. All loopholes and deductions need to be closed. Every single one. Start over with that shit and the money will appear.

[highwhey]

:biggums:
Df you do?

Hitman?
Rufus straight flexin on everyone

[aj1987]

:biggums:
Df you do?

Hitman?
Learn Hadoop and get into big data. If you get a decent job, you'll be pulling in $120K EASY. Hard work, dude. I saw your other thread about programming and do try to get into Big Data.



$385,000 last year before taxes.
Was off by like 100K. Good to see another ISH dude making bank. :cheers:

[UK2K]

Current Rate:
Federal income tax you pay per year: $5,041.25
Federal income tax you pay per month: $420.10

Bernie's Rate:
Federal income tax you pay per year: $5,934.65
Federal income tax you pay per month: $494.55

Trump's Rate:
Federal income tax you pay per year: $1,800.00
Federal income tax you pay per month: $150.00

Yeah.... this is a tough one.... hmm.....

[UK2K]

I have my own business and my premiums went DOWN under obamacare by a significant amount. I was paying way more for far less coverage. Get a new broker or handle it yourself. You are getting f*cked in the ass. My old broker tried to f*ck me and get me to "opt in" before the changes took place. If you did that, you get trapped paying ridiculous amounts. A lot of people did that because they hate Obama and anything associated with him so any line about not signing up for it people ate up.

You aren't doing something right because if you have under 25 employees and are giving them benefits you should qualify for a tax credit.

EDIT: I see a lot of people who b*tch about paying more under obamacare and literally every single one has an out of market plan.
There's a reason why...

[9erempiree]

As mentioned many times before, the working class are most likely fiscal conservative and this thread is proof. Hardworking ISHers are willing to save their hard earned money while the people that are curious in what others do for a living are the young non-working class lib supporters.

Time to grow up and vote with dollars in mind.

The Right is right.

[rufuspaul]

That puts you in the "evil 1%" category that everybody wants to tax the shit out of. Tell me, do you feel like you're getting taxed too little?


:oldlol: Along with primetime, macmac and a few others on here. Ask them if they feel like they're rich. I tell myself "I'm in the 1%" as I drive my 13 year old car to work. :D

Seriously though, when you have a mortgage and kids in private school there really isn't a whole lot left over. We live comfortably and feel very fortunate but the main benefit to making $300,000+ is being able to fund a retirement plan.

[Nick Young]

Yeah they don't. Illegal Immigrants due not have free health care in the EU, apart from life threatening situations. And if they do have to come in they will be reported to the authorities.
Everyone in the UK, including tourists is easily able to recieve free healthcare. Many sick of injured people from non-EU countries fly to the UK to get free surgery or cancer treatment. When it is over, they go back home. Illegal immigrants certainly are entitled to the NHS. If they legally aren't allowed to it, it must be easy to cheat, because I know some illegal immigrants who have been living in the UK for 10+ years and they've been able to get a benefits check every week, student loans to pay for their university, and free NHS, even though they aren't in the system and pay zero in tax.

[Nanners]

when people talk about the "evil 1%" they arent talking about the family dentist who is pulling down 350k a year, they are talking about people making 10 or 100 times that.

[ALBballer]

:oldlol: Along with primetime, macmac and a few others on here. Ask them if they feel like they're rich. I tell myself "I'm in the 1%" as I drive my 13 year old car to work. :D

Seriously though, when you have a mortgage and kids in private school there really isn't a whole lot left over. We live comfortably and feel very fortunate but the main benefit to making $300,000+ is being able to fund a retirement plan.

bruh you are making close to $400k and living in North Carolina a low COL state. You're defiantly rich as ****.

As for th OP, I don't think Trumps plan is that bad if he made capital and ordinary rates the same and got rid of all deductions. Same would have to be done for corporate rates and possibly raise the rate to 20% or so.

Bernie's plan for bigger government and higher taxes with no real plan to reduce spending is not a long term plan.

[Akrazotile]

:oldlol: Along with primetime, macmac and a few others on here. Ask them if they feel like they're rich. I tell myself "I'm in the 1%" as I drive my 13 year old car to work. :D

Seriously though, when you have a mortgage and kids in private school there really isn't a whole lot left over. We live comfortably and feel very fortunate but the main benefit to making $300,000+ is being able to fund a retirement plan.


Ahhh, retirement shmirement. Who wants to be crawling around half-blind at 85 years old??

Save up enough to get you from 65-75, have yourself a nice decade of retirement, then on your 75th birthday inject a massive speedball and jump off the Empire State Building.

Now that's what I call a retirement plan :pimp:

[Akrazotile]

when people talk about the "evil 1%" they arent talking about the family dentist who is pulling down 350k a year, they are talking about people making 10 or 100 times that.


That's only because there are people making 10 or 100 times that.

If there weren't, they'd definitely be talking about the family dentist pulling down 350k a year.

Just like people didn't used to give a shit about animal rights, when there were still human rights being fought over.

Now we have legislation over animal rights.

It never stops. Even if you reign in the wall street billionaires, the battle will find a new frontier. Liberals will accept nothing short of uniform, universal equality, until, of course, they themselves reach the top end of the earnings spectrum.

[UK2K]

That's only because there are people making 10 or 100 times that.

If there weren't, they'd definitely be talking about the family dentist pulling down 350k a year.

Just like people didn't used to give a shit about animal rights, when there were still human rights being fought over.

Now we have legislation over animal rights.

It never stops. Even if you reign in the wall street billionaires, the battle will find a new frontier. Liberals will accept nothing short of equality, until, of course, they themselves reach the top end of the earnings spectrum.

A large portion of this country don't care how much someone makes, if it's more than them, they want some of it.

That's just the way it is.

[QUOTE]

[aj1987]

:oldlol: Along with primetime, macmac and a few others on here. Ask them if they feel like they're rich. I tell myself "I'm in the 1%" as I drive my 13 year old car to work. :D

Seriously though, when you have a mortgage and kids in private school there really isn't a whole lot left over. We live comfortably and feel very fortunate but the main benefit to making $300,000+ is being able to fund a retirement plan.
The worst part is what you actually said before. With the new plan, it'd be pretty difficult to hire a new employee or expand the business. It definitely hurts smaller companies.

I actually haven't looked at the specifics of his tax slabs though.

[Akrazotile]

I have my own business and my premiums went DOWN under obamacare by a significant amount. I was paying way more for far less coverage. Get a new broker or handle it yourself. You are getting f*cked in the ass. My old broker tried to f*ck me and get me to "opt in" before the changes took place. If you did that, you get trapped paying ridiculous amounts. A lot of people did that because they hate Obama and anything associated with him so any line about not signing up for it people ate up.

You aren't doing something right because if you have under 25 employees and are giving them benefits you should qualify for a tax credit.

EDIT: I see a lot of people who b*tch about paying more under obamacare and literally every single one has an out of market plan.


Dude the market plans are GARBAGE. I know because I looked at them and eventually signed up for one since i'm young and single so my main priority was affordability.

First of all they give you a doctor. I kid you not, when I first signed up for this while living in San Antonio, they gave me this primary care physician who was straight out of Nigeria and could barely speak intelligible English. He got his degree from a university in Nigeria. And he literally looked like a bushman in a white coat. In the middle of an appointment, literally in the middle of conversation he stopped MID SENTENCE without saying anything to me and answered his cell phone which was a call from his son telling him what time he needed to be picked up from school. Then proceeded to have a casual phone conversation for like 5 minutes afterward while I was just sitting there staring at him.

I had come in about breathing difficulty with my nose, and he immediately tried to convince me I had sleep apnea. He then arranged for me to try this sleep apnea measuring device, so I was like, 'ok...' and he ordered it from this company and they then sent it to me to use for three days, after which I send it back and they measure the results. So I did, and they sent a letter back saying "Results show you are not suffering from sleap apnea." Then they sent a bill for $800 and said my insurance didn't end up covering my use of the equipment. The doctor never said anythign about me being charged for it, and of course my Obamacare insurance didn't cover. I sure as hell never paid it, but the thing was a total scam. And this dude who probably had a bone through his nose dancing around a fire just 5 years go was clearly getting some kind of kickback.

Shit was a riot. I never went back to him (I was moving from San Antonio shortly thereafter anyhow) but I did call the office once and just clowned on him to the receptionist and then to him, which was funny.

Anyway, the market plans cover jack shit. That's why people who can afford to avoid them do. It has nothing to do with Barry. THe plans are garbage.

[bladefd]

I would save $32,000 under Trump's plan, enough to hire another employee. I would also save on health insurance since Obamacare would be repealed. Since Obamacare was enacted my insurance premiums have doubled.

Trump is an egomaniacal lunatic, but hey, $32,000 plus no more Obamacare is starting to sound pretty good.

Whoa, how much do you make yearly? 500k? :eek:

In mathematics, we would consider you an outlier and not consider you in models. Average American makes like 40k (estimating so don’t kill me on it being off).

[Jameerthefear]

$385,000 last year before taxes.




My 3 employees are covered under their husband's insurance. This is just to cover me, my wife and daughter. We don't qualify for any subsidy because of income and there are only a handful of insurance companies in the state to choose from now. Even with an enormous deductible our premiums have skyrocketed.
:cheers: nice
hope i grow up to be like you, except without the wife and kid part :D

[9erempiree]

:cheers: nice
hope i grow up to be like you, except without the wife and kid part :D

Stay focus little one and work hard.

Don't let people tell you that you can't do shit.

[bladefd]

A large portion of this country don't care how much someone makes, if it's more than them, they want some of it.

That's just the way it is.

As for your ben Franklin quote...

When corporations realize they can buy the politicians and power through lobbying, that will herald the end of the republic... oh wait, it is already happening. Corporations own this country and most politicians except Bernie and a few others. Let's fight for our Republic rather than hand over the reign to another billionaire in Trump who has used loopholes over the years and played us all.

[bladefd]

Dude the market plans are GARBAGE. I know because I looked at them and eventually signed up for one since i'm young and single so my main priority was affordability.

First of all they give you a doctor. I kid you not, when I first signed up for this while living in San Antonio, they gave me this primary care physician who was straight out of Nigeria and could barely speak intelligible English. He got his degree from a university in Nigeria. And he literally looked like a bushman in a white coat. In the middle of an appointment, literally in the middle of conversation he stopped MID SENTENCE without saying anything to me and answered his cell phone which was a call from his son....

I had come in about breathing difficulty with my nose, and he immediately tried to convince me I had sleep apnea. He then arranged for me to try this sleep apnea measuring device, so I was like, 'ok...' and he ordered it from this company and they then sent it to me to use for three days, after which I send it back and they measure the results. So I did, and they sent a letter back saying "Results show you are not suffering from sleap apnea." Then they sent a bill for $800 and said my insurance didn't end up covering my use of the equipment. The doctor never said anythign about me being charged for it, and of course my Obamacare insurance didn't cover. I sure as hell never paid it, but the thing was a total scam. And this dude who probably had a bone through his nose dancing around a fire just 5 years go was clearly getting some kind of kickback.

They assign you a default local doctor but you can switch them. Find reviews of decent doctors near you.

Second, you are supposed to ask up front what the copay is.. not after the test..

[Akrazotile]

They assign you a default local doctor but you can switch them. Find reviews of decent doctors near you.

Second, you are supposed to ask up front what the copay is.. not after the test..


You mean you think it was my responsibility to inquire about it, rather than an exploitative practice by the rich doctor and the even richer company?

Bc in the post above you seemed to favor blaming corporations and wealthy entities, rather than individuals.

Why is it different for me? Because you dont like my politics?

[KyrieTheFuture]

That's only because there are people making 10 or 100 times that.

If there weren't, they'd definitely be talking about the family dentist pulling down 350k a year.

Just like people didn't used to give a shit about animal rights, when there were still human rights being fought over.

Now we have legislation over animal rights.

It never stops. Even if you reign in the wall street billionaires, the battle will find a new frontier. Liberals will accept nothing short of uniform, universal equality, until, of course, they themselves reach the top end of the earnings spectrum.
This might actually be the dumbest ****ing thing you've ever said.

[Akrazotile]

This might actually be the dumbest ****ing thing you've ever said.


Uhh, Ill take that as a compliment since it's a completely valid point.

Shall I expect your usual in response? Lots of swearing and "omgs thats so sutpid" accompanied by a conspicuous absence of anything intelligent?

Youve grown up to be just like your uncle deuce. We all so proud.

[bladefd]

You mean you think it was my responsibility to inquire about it, rather than an exploitative practice by the rich doctor and the even richer company?

Bc in the post above you seemed to favor blaming corporations and wealthy entities, rather than individuals.

Why is it different for me? Because you dont like my politics?

That company had you sign something to approve the test. That is when you ask about copay before you sign. We all know these medical companies take advantage of people so you have to be wary as an individual from the beginning.

It is not different for you. I'm saying you should use your brain at times.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Uhh, Ill take that as a compliment since it's a completely valid point.

Shall I expect your usual in response? Lots of swearing and "omgs thats so sutpid" accompanied by a conspicuous absence of anything intelligent?

Youve grown up to be just like your uncle deuce. We all so proud.
? I hate Deuce man.

The fact that you think animal rights are "new" or that human rights have been solved is asinine.

[Akrazotile]

? I hate Deuce man.

The fact that you think animal rights are "new" or that human rights have been solved is asinine.

Bro. It's obviously relative.

In California theyve prohibited fois gras. They outlaw declawing your own pets. Michael Vick went to prison for dog fighting. The last state to criminalize c0ckfighting was Louisiana in 2007.

This is all recent legislation. You think any of this was a priority in 1960?


And which human rights frontiers are left in America?

[Bosnian Sajo]

:oldlol: Along with primetime, macmac and a few others on here. Ask them if they feel like they're rich. I tell myself "I'm in the 1%" as I drive my 13 year old car to work. :D

Seriously though, when you have a mortgage and kids in private school there really isn't a whole lot left over. We live comfortably and feel very fortunate but the main benefit to making $300,000+ is being able to fund a retirement plan.


You're kidding, right? I never realized dude was making bank...I always knew you and macmac were making bank, as well as that one asian guy who used to post pics of him and his wife in the post a pic thread.


J$ will join you guys soon, once he finally becomes a neurologist. Hopefully my future engineering degree will allow me to make 1/2 of what yall make :lol

[poido123]

You're kidding, right? I never realized dude was making bank...I always knew you and macmac were making bank, as well as that one asian guy who used to post pics of him and his wife in the post a pic thread.


J$ will join you guys soon, once he finally becomes an ISIS funded terrorist. Hopefully my future in working for Islamic foundations funding terorrism will allow me to make 1/2 of what yall make :lol


fixed.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Wherever the moneys at, na mean?

[Patrick Chewing]

Taxes are very simple. Empower the people to make more money, therefore they can afford healthcare, new house, tuition, etc..


How can you make more if you're taxed more? Makes no sense.

[9erempiree]

The right is the working class.

Work hard and keep your money.

[Nanners]

16 years ago everybody voted for bush junior for tax reasons, how did that work out?

[KyrieTheFuture]

16 years ago everybody voted for bush junior for tax reasons, how did that work out?
Several missions were accomplished I believe.

[Akrazotile]

16 years ago everybody voted for bush junior for tax reasons, how did that work out?


Pretty well for people who wanted their taxes cut I guess :confusedshrug:

Didn't Obama extend those cuts during his term and called it important and necessary to the economy, until election time rolled around and then they ended them?

[Patrick Chewing]

Nobody complained when they got that rebate in the mail.

[9erempiree]

16 years ago everybody voted for bush junior for tax reasons, how did that work out?

Did you use the website to see how much you're saving?

Why do you want to give your hard earned money to the government? They have proven to waste the it on worthless programs and creating agencies that do nothing.

It's about time we keep our money. Everybody is going to keep it. Don't let the government tell you that you need to pay.

[Nanners]

Did you use the website to see how much you're saving?

Why do you want to give your hard earned money to the government? They have proven to waste the it on worthless programs and creating agencies that do nothing.

It's about time we keep our money. Everybody is going to keep it. Don't let the government tell you that you need to pay.

i think there are more important things in life than money. i would gladly give back my bush tax check if it brought all those dead iraqi civilians back.

[Akrazotile]

i think there are more important things in life than money


Yeah but the point is it should be you deciding which things are more important in life than every dollar of your income. Not elected politicians.

[Patrick Chewing]

i think there are more important things in life than money. i would gladly give back my bush tax check if it brought all those dead iraqi civilians back.

Nobody believes you.

[poido123]

i think there are more important things in life than money. i would gladly give back my bush tax check if it brought all those dead iraqi civilians back.


Let's take it an extra step further.


You would take in the Iraqi refugees into your own home, clothe, feed and shelter them because you genuinely care for their well being?


I mean you want to help out right? Or you only want to help out IF IT DOESN"T DIRECTLY AFFECT YOU.

:rolleyes:

[Nick Young]

i think there are more important things in life than money. i would gladly give back my bush tax check if it brought all those dead iraqi civilians back.
horse shit:rolleyes:

[NumberSix]

i think there are more important things in life than money. i would gladly give back my bush tax check if it brought all those dead iraqi civilians back.
Why would it?

[Bosnian Sajo]

Let's take it an extra step further.


You would take in the Iraqi refugees into your own home, clothe, feed and shelter them because you genuinely care for their well being?


I mean you want to help out right? Or you only want to help out IF IT DOESN"T DIRECTLY AFFECT YOU.

:rolleyes:


Why take it a step further, he made a simple statement. He would rather not have Bush ever been in office, not have gotten the check, and the iraq war to have never happened.

Why do you think the way you do, honestly? You're dealing with some mental issues bruv, ain't even funny no more, I'm not even gonna insult you. I hope you get better.



Why would it?

He is implying that if Bush were not in office, we would not have gone to war with Iraq. That may be true, however I have a feeling the whole thing was out of the presidents hands. After all, the president is just a puppet.

[Blue&Orange]

Current Rate:
Federal income tax you pay per year: $5,041.25
Federal income tax you pay per month: $420.10

Bernie's Rate:
Federal income tax you pay per year: $5,934.65
Federal income tax you pay per month: $494.55

Trump's Rate:
Federal income tax you pay per year: $1,800.00
Federal income tax you pay per month: $150.00

Yeah.... this is a tough one.... hmm.....
Oh ok so good for you, now tell me who is going to pay the roads you use, police, fireman, doctors, schools, departments and agencies that insure that you get clean water, you don't eat poisoned food, you don't get bad medicine, no price gouging, you don't fly unsafe aeroplanes, pay the debt. etc etc etc etc list goes forever. Is trump going to borrow money to China?


Trump follower the true mark of a dumbass

[Dresta]

Why take it a step further, he made a simple statement. He would rather not have Bush ever been in office, not have gotten the check, and the iraq war to have never happened.

Why do you think the way you do, honestly? You're dealing with some mental issues bruv, ain't even funny no more, I'm not even gonna insult you. I hope you get better.




He is implying that if Bush were not in office, we would not have gone to war with Iraq. That may be true, however I have a feeling the whole thing was out of the presidents hands. After all, the president is just a puppet.
Blair and Clinton were moving towards the removal of Saddam before anyone cared abut Bush; i think it was likely going to happen regardless. Just like Obama's foreign policy has been terrible, but it's not like McCain or Romney's would have been any better (and could well have been worse, especially that crank McCain). Idiotic foreign policy is just a part of the American make-up.

[Dresta]

Oh ok so good for you, now tell me who is going to pay the roads you use, police, fireman, doctors, schools, departments and agencies that insure that you get clean water, you don't eat poisoned food, you don't get bad medicine, no price gouging, you don't fly unsafe aeroplanes, pay the debt. etc etc etc etc list goes forever. Is trump going to borrow money to China?


Trump follower the true mark of a dumbass
:roll:

You could pay for all those things with a simple consumption tax. It is ridiculous entitlement programs (and vast Federal overreach) that requires such high levels of taxation to maintain.

[Blue&Orange]

:roll:

You could pay for all those things with a simple consumption tax. It is ridiculous entitlement programs (and vast Federal overreach) that requires such high levels of taxation to maintain.
SO you have a 20 trillion debt and you think everything would be paid with a simple consumption tax. Makes senses. :applause:

memba this:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007

[Dresta]

[QUOTE=Blue&Orange]SO you have a 20 trillion debt and you think everything would be paid with a simple consumption tax. Makes senses. :applause:

memba this:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_crisis_of_2007

[rufuspaul]

Oh ok so good for you, now tell me who is going to pay the roads you use, police, fireman, doctors, schools, departments and agencies that insure that you get clean water, you don't eat poisoned food, you don't get bad medicine, no price gouging, you don't fly unsafe aeroplanes, pay the debt. etc etc etc etc list goes forever. Is trump going to borrow money to China?


Trump follower the true mark of a dumbass


There is more than enough tax revenue at the local and fed level to pay for all those things. Money gets wasted on bloated federal and state departmental budgets. Redundant, bureaucratic bs is a cash-eating machine that both the left and right have been feeding for so long that they can't even see how ridiculous it is.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Blair and Clinton were moving towards the removal of Saddam before anyone cared abut Bush; i think it was likely going to happen regardless. Just like Obama's foreign policy has been terrible, but it's not like McCain or Romney's would have been any better (and could well have been worse, especially that crank McCain). Idiotic foreign policy is just a part of the American make-up.


Like I said, it doesn't really matter who is in office, same shit will eventually happen regardless.

[UK2K]

i think there are more important things in life than money. i would gladly give back my bush tax check if it brought all those dead iraqi civilians back.

Start donating then. You don't need to require everyone to pay for your moral quest.

Just like the rich leftists in Hollywood. If you care so much, donate your money to the poor, but don't talk about how important it is to take care of the needy, and demand others assist too, when you're living in a 7 figure house.

FYI, if you are concerned about the safety of Iraqi civilians, maybe you should petition them to stop killing each other? In Afghanistan, the Taliban were responsible for 3/4 of civilian casualties.


The Taliban's responsibility for the vast majority of civilian deaths is perhaps the most underreported story from Afghanistan since the war began. A United Nations report, which was released today, shows that more than three-fourths (76 percent) of civilian deaths in Afghanistan over the past year have been caused by the Taliban (12 percent of the civilian deaths can be traced to Coalition forces):

I would imagine there are similar statistics for Iraq.

[UK2K]

Oh ok so good for you, now tell me who is going to pay the roads you use, police, fireman, doctors, schools, departments and agencies that insure that you get clean water, you don't eat poisoned food, you don't get bad medicine, no price gouging, you don't fly unsafe aeroplanes, pay the debt. etc etc etc etc list goes forever. Is trump going to borrow money to China?


Trump follower the true mark of a dumbass

Close corporate tax loopholes, like he said he would.

That's how, dumbass.

[FillJackson]

How are people still portraying Obamacare as a success? This project has been like a bottomless pit of waste and unnecessary expenses, not to mention how coercive it is.

A policy that is arbitrary, coercive, wasteful and ineffective: "WHY WON'T YOU DAMN WINGNUTS JUST ACCEPT THAT OBAMACARE IS THE BESTEST AND WORKS 100% FFS, YOU JUST WANT POOR PEOPLE TO DIE, CUNTFACE."
But you do want people to die, don't you?

Have I been reading you wrong?

[FillJackson]

i'll vote for whoever repeals obamacare so i can just not have insurance and not get half of my tax return taken out.

How will you pay for your insurance?

[UK2K]

How will you pay for your insurance?

With a lot less money like we did before...

[QUOTE]Average prices of the so-called bronze plans on the HealthCare.gov marketplace are rising 11 percent for nonsubsidized customers over 2015 prices. Average deductibles for individuals are increasing by the same percentage, to $5,731, according to a study by HealthPocket.com, an insurance comparison site.

Average premiums for the most popular types of plans, known as "silver plans," are going up nearly as much

[FillJackson]

[On average, premiums have risen by about 5.8 percent a year since Obama took office, compared to 13.2 percent in the nine years before Obama.

[DukeDelonte13]

With a lot less money like we did before...



And, it'll cover everything. And, my deductible won't be $5,800 :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:


The cost increase doesn't factor in what the consumer gets off their premiums via tax credits. Marketplace plans require mandatory coverage for ER visits, scrips, ambulance, maternity, etc., and out of market ones don't.


You know, nobody is forced to get a marketplace health plan. You can get insurance outside of obamacare. Call up those companies and get quotes compared to what you can get on the marketplace.

I know what's up because I have extensively looked pre and post 2014 for healthcare options both inside and out of the marketplace.

Obamacare is essentially consumer protections against bullsh*t health insurance companies used to be allowed to pull. It helps people who are left to get healthcare on their own, and don't have leverage with the insurer because they don't have an account with hundreds or thousands of people on it.


Go do the research yourself and see what's available outside of the exchange. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself. Look into what kinda shit was allowed to be done before obamacare went into effect. Look into maternity riders. Look into pre existing conditions. Look into what type of bullsh*t people had to go through or PAY just to be able to see a f*cking doctor.

I still gotta pay 750 a F*cking month, but you know what? It's still way cheaper than what i used to pay and i get more coverage.

[jonathan]

I think many people are missing the big picture. Which group of people benefit the most from Trump's tax plan? The rich and wealthy..

Meanwhile the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Sure, the majority of Americans will save a small amount of money. It's like a slot machine that pays out every now to keep you happy meanwhile the house always wins. Income inequality will continue to spiral out of control.

Under Bernie's tax plan most americans will save money while most wealthy people will have to pay more - that's how it should be. Single payer would eliminate lots of the stupidity of our current system: in-network, out of network, deductibles, copays. My mother was visited by an out-of-network doctor while she was half-unconscious and she got stuck with a massive bill. The system right now is screwing us over.

For what it's worth I'm a 3%'er that doesn't mind paying slightly more to see my taxes actually giving me something in return and I fully acknowledge I'd save quite a bit under Trump's plan (given Trump can actually fund his Tax cuts).

[FillJackson]

Close corporate tax loopholes, like he said he would.

That's how, dumbass.

You think there's a trillion dollars a year lost in corporate tax loopholes? Because that's what Trump's plan would cost.

He is also proposing cutting corporate tax rates by more than half. So he won't be getting the money to cover his gaps from corporations.



Also bookmark this page for whenever a republican pretends to care about the debt or the deficit. Or moaning that folks at the low end don't pay income tax. Trump's plan would increase the number that don't pay.


This how many Billions Per Year the Trump Plan INCREASES the deficit by once it goes into effect. You add this number to the current deficit.

550.0
842.0
934.3
1,008.4
1,086.3
1,166.7
1,256.6
1,352.2
1,449.0
1,559.2

Over the past 12 months the deficit has been $405 billion (http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2016/02/10/u-s-budget-deficit-falls-to-lowest-level-since-august-2008.html)

So Trump's plan is for well over trillion dollar deficits without having a financial crisis.

[UK2K]

The cost increase doesn't factor in what the consumer gets off their premiums via tax credits. Marketplace plans require mandatory coverage for ER visits, scrips, ambulance, maternity, etc., and out of market ones don't.


You know, nobody is forced to get a marketplace health plan. You can get insurance outside of obamacare. Call up those companies and get quotes compared to what you can get on the marketplace.

I know what's up because I have extensively looked pre and post 2014 for healthcare options both inside and out of the marketplace.

Obamacare is essentially consumer protections against bullsh*t health insurance companies used to be allowed to pull. It helps people who are left to get healthcare on their own, and don't have leverage with the insurer because they don't have an account with hundreds or thousands of people on it.


Go do the research yourself and see what's available outside of the exchange. Do yourself a favor and educate yourself. Look into what kinda shit was allowed to be done before obamacare went into effect. Look into maternity riders. Look into pre existing conditions. Look into what type of bullsh*t people had to go through or PAY just to be able to see a f*cking doctor.

I still gotta pay 750 a F*cking month, but you know what? It's still way cheaper than what i used to pay and i get more coverage.

I have excellent healthcare, and mine costs a fraction of that.

I suppose because I am not paying for maternity care, its cheaper. That may come in handy for me one day, so maybe I should consider it.

And you're right, it's not fair for people with pre-existing conditions. But, that's life, and life isn't fair. If that was the big concern (which it wasn't, it was just a talking point) then people who are denied coverage for pre-existing conditions can have their own government healthcare.

The last entity I would trust to do anything for the betterment of society is our government. Given their outstanding track record at turning everything they touch into shit, I fail to see why you're super excited to give them more of your money to waste.

[UK2K]

You think there's a trillion dollars a year lost in corporate tax loopholes? Because that's what Trump's plan would cost.

He is also proposing cutting corporate tax rates by more than half. So he won't be getting the money to cover his gaps from corporations.



Also bookmark this page for whenever a republican pretends to care about the debt or the deficit. Or moaning that folks at the low end don't pay income tax. Trump's plan would increase the number that don't pay.


This how many Billions Per Year the Trump Plan INCREASES the deficit by once it goes into effect. You add this number to the current deficit.

550.0
842.0
934.3
1,008.4
1,086.3
1,166.7
1,256.6
1,352.2
1,449.0
1,559.2

Over the past 12 months the deficit has been $405 billion (http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2016/02/10/u-s-budget-deficit-falls-to-lowest-level-since-august-2008.html)

So Trump's plan is for well over trillion dollar deficits without having a financial crisis.

So now we care about costs?


Bernie Sanders put a pretty big price tag -- $14 trillion over a decade -- on his Medicare-for-All proposal.

But he also promised to pay for it in full through higher taxes, especially on the rich.

A new analysis by the Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget suggests that the plan may increase deficits by at least $3 trillion, and that's assuming Sanders correctly estimated the cost.

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/03/pf/taxes/bernie-sanders-health-plan/

So Bernie is obviously not who you're voting for then, correct?

[Blue&Orange]

Close corporate tax loopholes, like he said he would.

That's how, dumbass.
Oh so Apple and Exxon are going to start paying taxes on Ireland? Well good luck with that.

[Blue&Orange]

No, i wasn't talking about the debt, as that is very obviously a consequence of Federal overreach. If the Federal government wasn't so enormously overextended then it wouldn't be $20 trillion dollars in debt, would it? Prior to the civil war, Federal debt was tiny, and the US economy grew at its fastest ever rate, all without creating "world financial crises."

And whose "country" exactly? America is not "my country" any more than England or Poland is, so there goes that. And if one country is capable of creating 'a world financial crisis,' then does that not suggest some kind of imbalance or asymmetry, or do you think this normal?

Also, don't you ever get tired in speaking in cliches, and simply regurgitating endless left-wing tropes? Government caters to and encourages the financial sector, recklessly and continuously, for over a century: Blue&ORange's solution: "da guverment diddern regulate da banks enuff!!"

Such a fool. Where do you think this vast edifice of finance came from exactly? The encouragement of government, politicians and speculators, working hand-in-hand since the dawn of the American republic (look up the Yazoo scandals, for example). This is not new; the only thing that is new is that we have a world monetary system built on a foundation of sand (an unprecedented experiment), which can be manipulated at whim (to fit the expediency of any given moment), and whose only restraint is the discipline of politicians; good luck making such an idiotic system of incentives function effectively.
Please elaborate where the overextending is and where the spending cuts would be that allow those tax breaks.

OR you're just good at pretensions gibberish.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Please elaborate where the overextending is and where the spending cuts would be that allow those tax breaks.

OR you're just good at pretensions gibberish.
Don't come at Dresta if you can't spell pretentious

Anyway, I'd be a lot more on board with lower taxes and giving to charity if charities weren't the most corrupt group of organizations of all time.

[bladefd]

[On average, premiums have risen by about 5.8 percent a year since Obama took office, compared to 13.2 percent in the nine years before Obama.

Hey UK2k, you missed that post by FillJackson. Ignored it, huh? Care to respond to it now that I called you out on it? Or will you ignore this too?

[UK2K]

Hey UK2k, you missed that post by FillJackson. Ignored it, huh? Care to respond to it now that I called you out on it? Or will you ignore this too?
I was on my phone and didnt see it. Link to the stat?

Hey blade... what did Obama say hed cut premiums by? $2500 was it? Is that true? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Hey blade... Obama said you could keep your doctor. Is that true or not? Simple yes or no.

Hey blade... Obama said nobody would lose their healthcare and be forced into the marketplace. Is that true or not? Simple yes or no please.

[bladefd]

I was on my phone and didnt see it. Link to the stat?

Hey blade... what did Obama say hed cut premiums by? $2500 was it? Is that true? A simple yes or no will suffice.

Hey blade... Obama said you could keep your doctor. Is that true or not? Simple yes or no.

Hey blade... Obama said nobody would lose their healthcare and be forced into the marketplace. Is that true or not? Simple yes or no please.

No. Premium increases did slow down from 13.2% yearly increases to 5.8% yearly increases though. Big improvement from before but still did not solve the issue. You want what it was before, I don't. I want it to further improve under President Sanders.

No. Truth is government cannot control doctors to take certain insurances in private settings, but in the end, Obama still messed up with this saying this.

This one is a trap. Obama is not a dictator and doesn't control what other companies do. They can cut off a worker if they so desire. How is this any different from before Obamacare??


On average, premiums have risen by about 5.8 percent a year since Obama took office, compared to 13.2 percent in the nine years before Obama.

Trump said, "People’s premiums … are going up 35, 45, 55 percent."

Some insurance plans in the federal exchange will see price hikes at the levels that Trump is suggesting. But he’s cherry-picking the high end of premium changes to come. Estimates for the national average are far below Trump’s figures, ranging from 4.4 percent to 13 percent.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/25/donald-trump/trump-obamacare-health-care-premiums-going-35-45-5/

[9erempiree]

Trump tax plan will help all my ISH bres.

We going to be rolling.

[9erempiree]

I think many people are missing the big picture. Which group of people benefit the most from Trump's tax plan? The rich and wealthy..

Meanwhile the rich get richer and the poor get poorer. Sure, the majority of Americans will save a small amount of money. It's like a slot machine that pays out every now to keep you happy meanwhile the house always wins. Income inequality will continue to spiral out of control.

Under Bernie's tax plan most americans will save money while most wealthy people will have to pay more - that's how it should be. Single payer would eliminate lots of the stupidity of our current system: in-network, out of network, deductibles, copays. My mother was visited by an out-of-network doctor while she was half-unconscious and she got stuck with a massive bill. The system right now is screwing us over.

For what it's worth I'm a 3%'er that doesn't mind paying slightly more to see my taxes actually giving me something in return and I fully acknowledge I'd save quite a bit under Trump's plan (given Trump can actually fund his Tax cuts).

I'm not rich though and will benefit.:rolleyes:

[Dresta]

Please elaborate where the overextending is and where the spending cuts would be that allow those tax breaks.

OR you're just good at pretensions gibberish.
Derp...

Overextended? Literally everywhere. Administrative centralisation, especially in a country as big as the US, can only ever be incredibly wasteful. Almost everything is run from the Federal level, top down, and it's been disastrous. A better question would be: what is an area where the Federal Government isn't heavily involved? It's even starting to place local law enforcement under its control; you are very naive when it comes to power, and how power exerts itself. The structure of the United States was supposed to balance the power between the States and the Federal Government, so each could act as a check and restraint on the power of the other; as it is, the former has been completely subsumed by the latter, and people like you don't even notice the danger this poses (probably because you don't know any history aside from the national curriculum that was forced down your throat at school).

And it's been proven, time and time again, that a simpler tax-code brings in more revenue; the US has one of the most complicated and needlessly convoluted tax-codes in the world: a dream for accountants and bureaucrats, but a nightmare for everyone else. It also massively benefits the wealthy and educated over the poor and uneducated. For example, in the UK, i know people that can set up business in their own names, get their employer to pay into their business as a contractor, and from there pay themselves minimum wage, and declare the rest as profits (paying capital gains rate, which is lower than the income tax rate), not to mention how much is declared as expenses, and thus not taxed. It is surprising how easy it is to do this.

All these exemptions are the means that people use to avoid paying tax.

[bladefd]

-What is Trump's health plan?
-What portions of government is he cutting to account for the massive tax cuts?
-He wants to significantly increase spending on the military - where will that money come from while simultaneously cutting taxes?
-How much does he want to increase military spending? It is currently $600 billion, which is almost as much as the next 8 countries combined.
-How will he *make* Mexico build the wall?
-How will he utterly destroy ISIS? Carpet bomb everything? It's a very expensive tactic to just carpet bomb 1 square mile - Now imagine hundreds and hundreds of miles.
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Ok, I'm bored at this point. I could continue this, but you get my point.

[NumberSix]

-He wants to significantly increase spending on the military
Does he?

[Dresta]

-What is Trump's health plan?
-What portions of government is he cutting to account for the massive tax cuts?
-He wants to significantly increase spending on the military - where will that money come from while simultaneously cutting taxes?
-How much does he want to increase military spending? It is currently $600 billion, which is almost as much as the next 8 countries combined.
-How will he *make* Mexico build the wall?
-How will he utterly destroy ISIS? Carpet bomb everything? It's a very expensive tactic to just carpet bomb 1 square mile - Now imagine hundreds and hundreds of miles.
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Ok, I'm bored at this point. I could continue this, but you get my point.
Erm.. I was under the impression he wanted to cut military spending and reign in America's involvement in the world.

As for ISIS: being willing to deal with Assad and Russia is a good start, and a more realistic proposal than what anyone else is saying.

I don't think you have much of a point tbh. He's the only candidate with a chance of winning who doesn't want America to police the world any more, but i guess that's a sign of wanting to increase spending in your mind :hammerhead:

[9erempiree]

We have a super expensive F35 jet program that is deemed a lemon. Trump has spoken on this and he said we should scrap the program because its costing us a shit load of money.

You guys can search the 'f35 boondoggle' and find his take on it.

[bladefd]

Erm.. I was under the impression he wanted to cut military spending and reign in America's involvement in the world.


“I want to build up the military so nobody messes with us,” Trump said when asked what he would do first, if elected. “I would bring it (military levels) back to where it was at the height because we’re in such trouble.”
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-1st-order-business-prez-building-military-article-1.2312826

Explain to me how you would build up the military to what it was at the height while keeping keeping military spending the same at 600 billion? Yes, you can allocate more resources from 1 department to another while at same money, but that would mean you cut other departments in the military. What would those other departments be?

As far as Trump claiming to rein in wasteful money, 200 million disappears every year from the pentagon. Few billions here and there in other areas on the military -- lets estimate 50 billion. Look to even dent military spending, we would have to talk about much bigger sums of money.

Here's what I think needs to be done
-Pay a 3rd party to audit every penny spent in the military, social programs, everything. It might be costly to do it, but it only needs to be done once.
-Don't do bulk purchases of military hardware just for the hell of it. Order if you need it, but no extra spending nonsense.
-Sell old outdated tanks, planes, aircraft carriers, destroyers you no longer need to trusted allies that you could use to counter Russia/China. That means India, Philippines, Australia, Japan, South Korea, Taiwan. Whatever money you get, cycle it right back into military budget.
-Hold company builders accountable for massive cost overruns in programs so F35 nonsense never occurs again.
-Bring the military budget down to 500 billion and leave it there unless if we enter another war.

[Dresta]

Trump speaks in hyperbole, or hadn't you noticed? If you search for it you will find plenty of examples of him talking about reducing military commitments and wasteful military projects that are usually started to please particular interests.

He wants to reign in America's role as world police, reduce our commitments in the far-east, not get involved in other people's wars and conflicts, and so on. That is better than what any other electable candidate is proposing (and it really doesn't look like Bernie has a chance tbh--Hilary has so much backing from the Dem establishment, and also many Dem voters who jizz their pants over the idea of having the first woman prez after the first black one).

Compare Trump's militarism to Hilary's: it's no contest.

[BigNBAfan]

difference of 16k/year more with donald

[DonDadda59]

Judge rules against billionaire Donald 'I'm looking out for you poor fools' Trump in his fight against Trump Hotel employees looking to unionize.

[INDENT]Labor Board Sides With Trump Hotel Workers In Union Battle


LAS VEGAS, NV

[Im Still Ballin]

http://static6.businessinsider.com/image/55918b77ecad04a3465a0a63/nbc-fires-donald-trump-after-he-calls-mexicans-rapists-and-drug-runners.jpg

[DonDadda59]

Yes, because Donalds good business practices would crush America.

Define 'good business practices'. How do multiple failed businesses and bankruptcies figure into this?

With the Donald's economic 'plan' (http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/trump-economy-217496), we would most definitely see a very deep and destructive recession. $11.2 trillion added in deficits.

A few days ago Ruth Marcus exposed step-by-step the effects of Trump's 'Utterly Ridiculous Budget Plan' (https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/donald-trumps-utterly-ridiculous-budget-plan/2016/02/19/b6300002-d72b-11e5-be55-2cc3c1e4b76b_story.html).

Vicious.

[DonDadda59]

Im sorry, you think his business practice is related to his economic prowess, why? Theyre unrelated.


Ill tell you what does factor into being a good bussinesman. 5-10 billion dollars in wealth. Youre truly an idiot if you believe the propaganda about Trump being a shitty bussinesman. You dont make billions without being great at something.

You must be a graduate of Trump University (http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/trump-university-classic-fraud-prosecutor-article-1.2399230) :yaohappy:

Trump would be much richer today if he had just sat on his daddy's money (http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/it-turns-out-donald-trump-would-actually-be-richer-now-if-hed-done-nothing-since-1974--b1lhFdzt_g)

Some quick reading for you my boy:

http://money.cnn.com/2015/08/31/news/companies/donald-trump-bankruptcy/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/debtwire/2015/08/18/a-trip-down-donald-trumps-bankruptcy-memory-lane/#4d5e833875dd

When you're done with that, have a nice Trump Steak (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmk1zZHmy7w) as a night cap.

Charlatans gonna charlatan. :roll:

[9erempiree]

Trump would be much richer today if he had just sat on his daddy's money (http://indy100.independent.co.uk/article/it-turns-out-donald-trump-would-actually-be-richer-now-if-hed-done-nothing-since-1974--b1lhFdzt_g)

If anything I believe this is a positive on him and you are the only that brings this up.

I think its admirable and a true testament of who he is and how hard he works.

Instead of being that spoiled brat that sits on daddy's money...he actually used it and tried to make more with it and did make more with it.

So the argument is....but...but...but...he could have made more if he just let his dad's money just sit. Right.:rolleyes:

[DonDadda59]

If anything I believe this is a positive on him and you are the only that brings this up.

I think its admirable and a true testament of who he is and how hard he works.

Instead of being that spoiled brat that sits on daddy's money...he actually used it and tried to make more with it and did make more with it.

So the argument is....but...but...but...he could have made more if he just let his dad's money just sit. Right.:rolleyes:

No the argument is that he's not the great businessman he claims to be and anyone saying 'buh buh buh he's got billions. He's great at business' doesn't hold water when you look at his actual record. He would've made more doing nothing instead of trying to play tycoon. Even his largest lender Carl Icahn (who he keeps bringing up) couldn't save his casino empire.

But shit, I want Trump to be the Elephant's nominee. The man is doing his job, destroying the remnants of the failed conservative movement.

If he picks up another W on Tuesday, you and me can celebrate with some Trump vodka (discontinued 2011) cooled with Trump ice (discontinued 2010).

http://www4.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Trump+Vodka+Launch+Party+Arrivals+iBarhN2D3obl.jpg

http://l1.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/D263MqVtZoVuKRqh42E69g--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3NfbGVnbztxPTg1O3c9NTc3/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/finance/2014-10-09/b1037df0-4ff7-11e4-951e-8b11381f8edc_trump-ice-shut-down-in-2010.jpg

:yaohappy:

[9erempiree]

No the argument is that he's not the great businessman he claims to be and anyone saying 'buh buh buh he's got billions. He's great at business' doesn't hold water when you look at his actual record. He would've made more doing nothing instead of trying to play tycoon. Even his largest lender Carl Icahn (who he keeps bringing up) couldn't save his casino empire.

Self-made billionaire though. If he just let his money sit he wouldn't be self-made would he?

I say he is a great businessman.

He never failed at those products. He sells the license to his name. If I had a bottling company and bottled water, I can get him to sell his image and license rights to brand it as 'Trump'. Now if I failed, it has nothing to with him.

Anyways, defunct vodka branding and water bottles are trivial compared to his assets....

http://www.trump.com/real-estate-portfolio/

That is an amazing portfolio no matter how you look at it.

[9erempiree]

Also, in my opinion Trump was one of the first if not the first man, to actually make a brand of himself.

The individual is the brand rather than some entity.

Fast forward today...you have the Michael Jordan brand....or look what Lebron is doing. Lebron James is a brand.

"The man is the brand" motto originated from Trump.

This philosophy and creation is a success and I would count it towards his business acumen.

[9erempiree]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/2016-race-donald-trump-ted-cruz-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-tax-plans-impact/?ftag=YHF4eb9d17

[bladefd]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/2016-race-donald-trump-ted-cruz-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-tax-plans-impact/?ftag=YHF4eb9d17

Surprised no mention of the rising premiums and copays. Average family already pays a premium of 5,500 approximately every year and that doesn't even include the copays on top of that and also doesn't include the money employers pay from their end. Before Obamacare, premiums were rising by 13% yearly before Obamacare and 6% after Obamacare.

How the hell can anyone afford what we had before with Trump/Cruz or even what we have now with Clinton? I don't like either of their ideas. I like Bernie's healthcare plan the best. I just want him to back down a bit from free public colleges for everyone and then we can get his tax hike somewhat under control.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/oct/25/donald-trump/trump-obamacare-health-care-premiums-going-35-45-5/

[NumberSix]

Trump would be much richer today if he had just sat on his daddy's money

Trump didn't make his fortune from his dad's money. He was a billionaire years before his dad died. He was already a billionaire by the time he inherited anything from his dad.