Which season did LeBron become better than Kobe?

[catch24]

I've seen arguments made for Lebron as early as 2007 and 2008. For me it was 2009 with the amazing postseason run and historic numbers. It ain't peak Lebron but its a season akin to late 80s Jordan IMO.

35/9/7 on 51%FG, 62%TS and the 2nd highest PER of all-time (greatest from a perimeter player).

:eek:

[DonDraper]

2003

[WayOfWade]

I'd say that's a correct assumption. Kobe was the MVP in 08' and rightfully so, it was all LeBron after that though even up until today

[Cold soul]

2010 for me Kobe had much greater postseason run than Lebron did in 09 and sealed the deal with his best playoff run of his career as the main man.

[DonDraper]

2010 for me Kobe had much greater postseason run than Lebron did in 09

Kobe - 30/5/5 on 45%

LeBron - 35/9/7 on 51%FG

[catch24]

2003

https://rainmansuite.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/lebron_james-1.jpg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVme5Qew7T4


I'd say that's a correct assumption. Kobe was the MVP in 08' and rightfully so, it was all LeBron after that though even up until today

True. You could see it developing near the end of 2008's Boston/Cavs series. That game 7 was one for the ages, and also one of many where Lebron, contrary to popular belief, established himself as arguably the greatest elimination-game player.

[Cold soul]

Kobe - 30/5/5 on 45%

LeBron - 35/9/7 on 51%FG

One made finals and had great finals while other choked against Magic.

[24-Inch_Chrome]

2009 imo, 2008 might be arguable but right now I'd say 2009.

[Gileraracer]

late 2014 or early 2015.

[DonDraper]

One made finals and had great finals while other choked against Magic.

Series against the Magic

LeBron: 39/9/7


Kobe: 32/7/6




Funny how Kobe stans cant grasp simple logic

[dunksby]

09 for me too.

[red1]

I've seen arguments made for Lebron as early as 2007 and 2008. For me it was 2009 with the amazing postseason run and historic numbers. It ain't peak Lebron but its a season akin to late 80s Jordan IMO.

35/9/7 on 51%FG, 62%TS and the 2nd highest PER of all-time (greatest from a perimeter player).

:eek:
2009 is correct. Kobe has a case for that year but I give a slight edge to lbj. I believe that season was his peak.

One made finals and had great finals while other choked against Magic.
You obviously didn't watch the series. Thanks for confirming that your opinion on this subject is worthless :applause:

[ShawkFactory]

2010 is when he clearly passed him for me.

[MEB2kDeez]

After 2010 imo

[Mass Debator]

2010 is when he clearly passed him for me.
Yeah. In 2009, Lebron threatened the top spot. Kobe finished off that notion. To me in 2010, they had an even playing field and Lebron's numbers, consistency, and second MVP made him the new face of the NBA. Kobe's imminent decline was expected and played a role too.

[pauk]

2012 is actually the official time when literally everybody (even the Kobetards) did admit he was better... what a difference a championship (a better team) makes... when in reality he was THAT player and/or even actually better in 2007-2009 somewhere... i think him individually was better than Kobe already in 2007 somewhere, 2008 he definitely was better on both ends of the floor and 2009 was his peak individually.... i started pondering about him being maybe better from 2005-06 already actually... looked at Kobe that year, he had 31 ppg but he chucked like there was no tomorrow especially in 2005, inefficiently, he had better defense tho... but then i looked at Lebron and he had around the same ppg, more efficient, got more rebounds, assists, was just more versatile... why not i said...

But 2007 is definitely when i saw & said OK this guy is better... 2007-2008 was his athletic prime aswell, epicly entertaining to watch, many people forget what a gazelle he was, he wasnt just the most athletic, he was also the FASTEST player in the league... at that size... just grabed a rebound and of he goes taking of from the FT line and shit, nobody bothered to contest him, it was just a guaranteed poster / and1 / shooting foul / flagrant if you tried... misses a basket and of he goes chasing up to take of from around the FT line to block balls into the stands, brought so much fear in 2008 so much so the guy who had a wideopen breakaway layup would just stop and wait for his teammates instead for safeties sake...

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe had much greater postseason run than Lebron did in 09 and sealed the deal with his best playoff run of his career as the main man.

I spit out my drink, and I wasn't even drinking anything..


One made finals and had great finals while other choked against Magic.

Jeezuz you're a clown... Plus the annoying thing is you try to pass off as an 'objective' poster

You're literally the opposite to what 'outside the box thinking' stands for, and this stuff ain't even hard.

[ArbitraryWater]

2012 is actually the official time when literally everybody (even the Kobetards) did admit he was better... what a difference a championship (a better team) makes... when in reality he was THAT player and/or even actually better in 2007-2009 somewhere... i think him individually was better than Kobe already in 2007 somewhere, 2008 he definitely was better on both ends of the floor and 2009 was his peak individually.... i started pondering about him being maybe better from 2005-06 already actually... looked at Kobe that year, he had 31 ppg but he chucked like there was no tomorrow especially in 2005, inefficiently, he had better defense tho... but then i looked at Lebron and he had around the same ppg, more efficient, got more rebounds, assists, was just more versatile... why not i said...

But 2007 is definitely when i saw & said OK this guy is better... 2007-2008 was his athletic prime aswell, epicly entertaining to watch, many people forget what a gazelle he was, he wasnt just the most athletic, he was also the FASTEST player in the league... at that size... just grabed a rebound and of he goes taking of from the FT line and shit, nobody bothered to contest him, it was just a guaranteed poster / and1 / shooting foul / flagrant if you tried... misses a basket and of he goes chasing up to take of from around the FT line to block balls into the stands, brought so much fear in 2008 so much so the guy who had a wideopen breakaway layup would just stop and wait for his teammates instead for safeties sake...

:lol

[Mass Debator]

Pauk ^^^ The majority of coaches still wanted Kobe over Lebron from 07-10. That says something. It's not all about the on-court or combine numbers sometimes. Even though everyone still recognized Lebron's skill and supernatural talents, Kobe's experience and success still edge Lebron out until either the 2nd MVP, first ring, or the decline/injury of Kobe. I don't care which one you pick.

It's kind of like TO having the better stats when it was all said and done (better blocking too), but Randy Moss was always the most feared.

[feyki]

2011 .

[sd3035]

it was close for a few years but 2014 was the year he definitely overtook Kobe

[Chokefree]

2012 is actually the official time when literally everybody (even the Kobetards) did admit he was better... what a difference a championship (a better team) makes... when in reality he was THAT player and/or even actually better in 2007-2009 somewhere... i think him individually was better than Kobe already in 2007 somewhere, 2008 he definitely was better on both ends of the floor and 2009 was his peak individually.... i started pondering about him being maybe better from 2005-06 already actually... looked at Kobe that year, he had 31 ppg but he chucked like there was no tomorrow especially in 2005, inefficiently, he had better defense tho... but then i looked at Lebron and he had around the same ppg, more efficient, got more rebounds, assists, was just more versatile... why not i said...

But 2007 is definitely when i saw & said OK this guy is better... 2007-2008 was his athletic prime aswell, epicly entertaining to watch, many people forget what a gazelle he was, he wasnt just the most athletic, he was also the FASTEST player in the league... at that size... just grabed a rebound and of he goes taking of from the FT line and shit, nobody bothered to contest him, it was just a guaranteed poster / and1 / shooting foul / flagrant if you tried... misses a basket and of he goes chasing up to take of from around the FT line to block balls into the stands, brought so much fear in 2008 so much so the guy who had a wideopen breakaway layup would just stop and wait for his teammates instead for safeties sake...


:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

Pauk ^^^ The majority of coaches still wanted Kobe over Lebron from 07-10. That says something. It's not all about the on-court or combine numbers sometimes. Even though everyone still recognized Lebron's skill and supernatural talents, Kobe's experience and success still edge Lebron out until either the 2nd MVP, first ring, or the decline/injury of Kobe. I don't care which one you pick.

So you're fine with either 2010, 2012, or 2014?

Where's the dumbest posts thread at?

[Magic 32]

2009 was when Kobe stopped caring about the regular season.

His minutes went from 38.9 to 36.1, and Phil basically tried to save Kobe from a meltdown like he had in the second half of the Celtics series.


Lebron on the other hand had the youth, the health and the conference to look like the best player in the world, and he probably was.

Not that it really mattered. 2008-2010 was Lakers/celtics and then everyone else at a distant third.

[ArbitraryWater]

2009 was when Kobe stopped caring about the regular season.

His minutes went from 38.9 to 36.1, and Phil basically tried to save Kobe from a meltdown like he had in the second half of the Celtics series.


Lebron on the other hand had the youth, the health and the conference to look like the best player in the world, and he probably was.

Not that it really mattered. 2008-2010 was Lakers/celtics and then everyone else at a distant third.

My dude right here.. all love, brodie

[Knoe Itawl]

I would take Lebron in his 3rd year over any version of Bryant.

[CTbasketball92]

LeBron was worse than Kobe ... until 2007, when he led that garbage Cavs team to the NBA finals and beat the pistons by himself.

Kobe has actually missed the playoffs at some points during his career. All things considered, a I think PEAK kobe was operating at around Westbrook's level last year (he didn't miss as many games, so KB made the playoffs).

LeBron almost singlehandedly took the super-team celtics to seven games. Didn't kobe shoot like 40% against them and lose in 6 games?

Fact is, from 2007 on, LeBron was always, always able to do more with less than Kobe Bryant. He's a better passer, he's bigger, stronger and the GOAT athlete, and he had already put most of that together by '07, '08 at the latest when he should've won MVP, but ESPN gave KB a well-deserved lifetime achievement award (MVP)

[catch24]

I would take Lebron in his 3rd year over any version of Bryant.

Really? Other than pauk, the only other poster I've seen make that argument is my old comrade, Bruceblitz.

What did Lebron do that season to be ranked over/better than Kobe? Just curious.

[Knoe Itawl]

Really? Other than pauk, the only other poster I've seen make that argument is my old comrade, Bruceblitz.

What did Lebron do that season to be ranked over/better than Kobe? Just curious.

One of the things I think Bryant enthusists ignore (which is why they're so shocked when others don't rate him as highly as they do) is how much being a true leader is. It's a key reason I have Duncan over him. Duncan seems like he's going to do whatever it takes for the TEAM to win, not his own personal glory. And I believe that personal glory is what Kobe cares about more than anything else. I feel that Lebron was a much better teammate/leader, even from an early age than Kobe (for evidence, look at the amount of team beefs Kobe has had vs Lebron.). Aside from that, Lebron was putting up 27, 6 and 6 with 1.5 steals and a block per. On 48%, which is better fg% than Kobe's ever done.

I think the way he played the game was better, his efficiency was better, he was a better teammate and he wasn't obsessed with glory like Bryant. All of those things would make me take him over Kobe by that point. I also believe that 3rd year Lebron on those Lakers team undoubtedly wins titles, and that Lebron would've been smart enough to wait his turn to when Shaq started exiting his prime to become "the man" on the team. Though since Lebron isn't as obsessed with scoring, and is a willing passer, it seems unlikely him and Shaq would have had the same issue.

[DonDraper]

LeBron was worse than Kobe ... until 2007, when he led that garbage Cavs team to the NBA finals and beat the pistons by himself.

Kobe has actually missed the playoffs at some points during his career. All things considered, a I think PEAK kobe was operating at around Westbrook's level last year (he didn't miss as many games, so KB made the playoffs).

LeBron almost singlehandedly took the super-team celtics to seven games. Didn't kobe shoot like 40% against them and lose in 6 games?

Fact is, from 2007 on, LeBron was always, always able to do more with less than Kobe Bryant. He's a better passer, he's bigger, stronger and the GOAT athlete, and he had already put most of that together by '07, '08 at the latest when he should've won MVP, but ESPN gave KB a well-deserved lifetime achievement award (MVP)

:applause:

[Magic 32]

Lebron would've been smart enough to wait his turn to when Shaq started exiting his prime to become "the man" on the team.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-9Z2uguE0xhM/UXRJKsjL2SI/AAAAAAAAHUY/QaSxcCx_lgc/s1600/Dwyane+Wade+Reacts+to+Brandon+Jennings.gif

[DonDraper]

Really? Other than pauk, the only other poster I've seen make that argument is my old comrade, Bruceblitz.

What did Lebron do that season to be ranked over/better than Kobe? Just curious.

- Better regular season stats

- Won more games in the regular season (50 vs 45 games)

- Went further in the playoffs

- Got better playoff stats

[AirBonner]

- Better regular season stats

- Won more games in the regular season (50 vs 45 games)

- Went further in the playoffs

- Got better playoff stats
his next question will be "besides stats what did bron do better?" :lol

[Smoke117]

2008. Wade became better in 2006.

[Magic 32]

- Better regular season stats

- Won more games in the regular season (50 vs 45 games)

- Went further in the playoffs

- Got better playoff stats

http://wmich.edu/gowest/sites/all/themes/wmu/assets/img/go-west-brown.png

[Showtime2001]

- Better regular season stats

- Won more games in the regular season (50 vs 45 games)

- Went further in the playoffs

- Got better playoff stats
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_LkcniSIp4VA/SAym92BHVSI/AAAAAAAAA3U/vEBLcG9J2nU/s400/least.jpg

[DonDraper]

Please don't tell me your only argument for Kobe being better in 2006 is "he played in the West" :lol :roll:

[AirBonner]

Please don't tell me your only argument for Kobe being better in 2006 is "he played in the West" :lol :roll:
typical kobe stan antics :lol

[Magic 32]

Please don't tell me your only argument for Kobe being better in 2006 is "he played in the West" :lol :roll:

5-10 more wins.

Playing the 42-20 Wizards?

My god yes.

[Showtime2001]

Please don't tell me your only argument for Kobe being better in 2006 is "he played in the West" :lol :roll:
06' and 07' Suns >>>> 06' and 07' Wizards.

:applause:

[DonDraper]

06' and 07' Suns >>>> 06' and 07' Wizards.

:applause:

Yup, except LeBron won while Kobe lost

[Showtime2001]

Yup, except LeBron won while Kobe lost
http://espn.go.com/photo/2006/0520/nba_g_thomas_395.jpg

http://nbaarena.com/img/haberler/smush-parker-kwame-brown-lakers.jpg

[Magic 32]

Yup, except LeBron won while Kobe lost

Kobe: One Kwame Brown blunder from beating a 53 win Suns team in his first series as the leader.

Lebron: One Boobie Gibson game away from being 0-6 against 50+ teams in 7 years with the Cavs.

[Haymaker]

After 2010 imo

The line blurs around this time IMO. Bron started peaking by 2009 but Kobe was still better, Kobe started to decline in 2010 but he won the ring so it's hard to give it to Bron, who by that time had amazing numbers but ran into the Great Green Wall in the playoffs. By the start of 2011 Kobe was not the same player and showed signs of fatigue because of 3 long seasons being in the finals. While Bron and the Heat had a rocky start, he was clearly better than Kobe in every aspect of the game.

[Showtime2001]

Kobe: One Kwame Brown blunder from beating a 53 win Suns team in his first series as the leader.

Lebron: One Boobie Gibson game away from being 0-6 against 50+ teams in 7 years with the Cavs.
https://m.popkey.co/9c8c5b/7M7Og_f-maxage-0.gif

[jimmybball]

2012

[HOoopCityJones]

2010.


But Kobe was a Top 5 player until 2013.

[Optimus Prime]

When Kobe tore his Achilles, so...April 12, 2013.

:kobe:

[OldSchoolBBall]

I'd say 2009, though even that is fairly close - closer than mere numbers would suggest, at least. Definitely no later than that, though. At worst they were equal in terms of impact on games that year.

Anyone saying later that 2010 is crazy or a stan.

[Mass Debator]

So you're fine with either 2010, 2012, or 2014?

Where's the dumbest posts thread at?
Stop being so sensitive.

In 2014 no, but until 2013 yes I'm fine with it. In general, it depends how you look at it. 2010, second straight MVP is my personal indication that Lebron is now clearly better than Kobe. Others may argue that Lebron still had 0 rings so he can't be better. In 2011, well...no one wants to bring that specific up in Lebron's favor. After 2012, you can't say that anymore. But then again, some would still argue multiple rings. Lebron cancelled that argument in 2013 which is too when the fall of Kobe really began.

Between 10-13, Kobe was still averaging 27/5/5. I had Lebron better than Kobe in 2010 which I believe is appropriate. It may be wrong, but I have no problem with anyone ranking Kobe ahead of Lebron until 2013.

[G0ATbe]

This season. Not by much though. If the achilles injury never happened kobe'd still be superior.

[feyki]

Actually , we should look on performances than players sense to fans . Year by year would better imo .

2006 - Draw

2007 - Lebron

2008 - Kobe

2009 - Draw

2010 - Kobe

2011 - Lebron ( He was beast on defence at Bulls series )

2012 to present - Lebron , of course .

[SamuraiSWISH]

If we are breaking it down by season:

2004: Kobe
2005: Draw
2006: Kobe
2007: Kobe
2008: Kobe
2009: Draw
2010: LeBron
2011: LeBron
2012: LeBron
2013: LeBron

[Cold soul]

I spit out my drink, and I wasn't even drinking anything..



Jeezuz you're a clown... Plus the annoying thing is you try to pass off as an 'objective' poster

You're literally the opposite to what 'outside the box thinking' stands for, and this stuff ain't even hard.

I imagine you spit something else out of your mouth and no it wasn't a liquid. Lebron was better in regular season in 09 than Kobe but when you factor in Kobe great postseason run and winning championship he gets nod for me that season. Lebron became better than Kobe around 2010/2011 for me.

[Cold soul]

2009 is correct. Kobe has a case for that year but I give a slight edge to lbj. I believe that season was his peak.

You obviously didn't watch the series. Thanks for confirming that your opinion on this subject is worthless :applause:

No dumbass I did watch Lebron had great numbers in series but couldn't close the deal. I do think 09/10 was peak Lebron outside of 12/13.

[Fire Colangelo]

I imagine you spit something else out of your mouth and no it wasn't a liquid. Lebron was better in regular season in 09 than Kobe but when you factor in Kobe great postseason run and winning championship he gets nod for me that season. Lebron became better than Kobe around 2010/2011 for me.

He was referring to your "LeBron choked in 09" comment.

Which was a pretty stupid comment btw.