I don't understand why the left opposes military spending?

[Akrazotile]

I'm not saying that I personally support increasing military spending. But I don't understand why the left doesn't.

It creates a fvckload of jobs. The left is always about government creating jobs, yes?

The military also ensures that we can go in and tell other cultures to do it our way. The left traditionally loves this. If a woman in kentucky isn't recognizing gay marriage in her state, liberals in california and massachussets sitting behind a computer screen start calling for the national guard to go in there and show her what tolerance is all about.

We also fought the bloodiest war in American history because the left wanted everyone to conform to its own moral standards.


So the military creates tons of jobs, and also provides us the might to make everyone around the world conform to liberalism.


Why does the left oppose this? Just because conservatives support it? Are they just trained monkies who have to cry and whine about anything Republican? They're socially conditioned ants just bleeting away the dogma they hear their peers promulgating?

EXPLANATION PLEASE.

[Sarcastic]

The left doesn't oppose military spending. The left opposes military over spending.

We could cut our military spending in half, and still spend more than twice the #2 country. The money we don't spend on military could be used on things that could actually help this country in a practical way, such as infrastructure.

[Akrazotile]

The left doesn't oppose military spending. The left opposes military over spending.

We could cut our military spending in half, and still spend more than twice the #2 country. The money we don't spend on military could be used on things that could actually help this country in a practical way, such as infrastructure.


Why don't they oppose overspending on social security and medicare?

[navy]

Why don't they oppose overspending on social security and medicare?
Because those are (theoretically) going to help people instead of to kill people.

[navy]

In any case, How about you stop being so consumed with left hated and love of right winged policies and think critically about each and every issue. You constantly do the exact same shit you accuse the left of doing in your last paragraph. Ive never once seen you be critical of the right, your always on some stupid tirade about the left. You've allowed yourself to be programmed mentally. Always going on and on about the left.

The reality is that the military budget and the social security/medicare budget are both bloated and inefficient. Both need to be cut and reworked.

[Nick Young]

The military is also a great opportunity for working class people TO GET WORK and even a university education if they want it.

Lefties are against poor people. They want to raise taxes and remove job opportunities in the military.

Average Dem: "These poor people think they can join the army and get a free university education? HOW DARE THEY! PUT A STOP TO IT!!!"

Dems need to stop pretending that they represent the working class. Dems represent the interests of only the upper and middle class.

[Nick Young]

The left doesn't oppose military spending. The left opposes military over spending.

We could cut our military spending in half, and still spend more than twice the #2 country. The money we don't spend on military could be used on things that could actually help this country in a practical way, such as infrastructure.
Please describe what you mean by "infrastructure" in your own words

[~primetime~]

I'm not part of "the left" but we could cut military spending and create a fck load of jobs elsewhere, like education, or in health care... Places that we would get more benefits from.

[jongib369]

The military is also a great opportunity for working class people TO GET WORK and even a university education if they want it.

Lefties are against poor people. They want to raise taxes and remove job opportunities in the military.

Average Dem: "These poor people think they can join the army and get a free university education? HOW DARE THEY! PUT A STOP TO IT!!!"

Dems need to stop pretending that they represent the working class. Dems represent the interests of only the upper and middle class.
There is a lot of truth in that, but I do think there could be a significant reduction, especially abroad with military bases etc (bring them home) that could be used towards this country, on our land. Whether it be securing our borders, boosting our infrastructure,helping out people seeking useful degrees/that have good grades etc


Let's say for instance we cut our military budget to 60-70% of what is today...Where would you put it if you couldn't reverse thay decision? And do you think that would benifit us more so than our current spending?

[Akrazotile]

In any case, How about you stop being so consumed with left hated and love of right winged policies and think critically about each and every issue. You constantly do the exact same shit you accuse the left of doing in your last paragraph. Ive never once seen you be critical of the right, your always on some stupid tirade about the left. You've allowed yourself to be programmed mentally. Always going on and on about the left.

The reality is that the military budget and the social security/medicare budget are both bloated and inefficient. Both need to be cut and reworked.


LOL, you haven't paid attention my friend.

I don't support any obstruction to a STATE marrying gay people if they want. And I don't have any personal opposition to gay people getting married if they want. But it's not a high priority issue, so I'm not out there beating the drum for it either way.

I want MORE of Shaniqua's kids to be aborted, not less. Chicks that can't read and are getting knocked up at 17 and collect welfare and live in projects and raise their kids to be criminals that end up incarcerated. If we could pre-empt that with abortion, I'm all on board! But again, abortion is a culturally divisive issue and has no place in a discussion of FEDERAL issues. It should be left up to each state to accommodate the regional culture therein. So there's no need for me to be debating it here on ISH with people that live in 49 other states from me and a bunch of different countries.

I want to legalize marijuana and relax prison sentencing for narcotics. But again, this is a small priority issue.

I support NECESSARY infrastructure revitalization, but not just 'any old project' that'll pay people to dig ditches.

I've typed endless pages of original thought and perspective on this site. I have plenty of views that would be considered moderate or liberal. If you've been too personally butthurt by the way I call out the left for delusion and hypocrisy to notice, then I'm sorry. But it's still there. You can look it up in the archives.

[ThePhantomCreep]

There is a lot of truth in that, but I do think there could be a significant reduction, especially abroad with military bases etc (bring them home) that could be used towards this country, on our land. Whether it be securing our borders, boosting our infrastructure,helping out people seeking useful degrees/that have good grades etc


Let's say for instance we cut our military budget to 60-70% of what is today... Where would you put it if you couldn't reverse thay decision? And do you think that would benifit us more so than our current spending?

Our infrastructure is an embarrassment compared to other first world nations--outside of NYC, none of our big cities has a world class transit system, for example. NYC's is pretty archaic too. Meanwhile, superb transit is pretty much the norm in Western Europe and Asia.

The GOP has no money for that, but spending $350 million (over the next 10 years) just to maintain and upgrade our nukes is a-ok.

The OP and Nick Young are enormous idiots, chickenhawk failures. Does anyone really believe that...

A) These 1% asskissers give a shit about young men with working class backgrounds?
B) That sending these young men to be maimed or killed in brushfire wars half a world away is somehow beneficial to them?

[UK2K]

The left doesn't oppose military spending. The left opposes military over spending.

We could cut our military spending in half, and still spend more than twice the #2 country. The money we don't spend on military could be used on things that could actually help this country in a practical way, such as infrastructure.

You want to know what happens if we cut our spending in half...

You remember what Iraq used to look like with Sadaam in charge? You know what it looks like now?

Deny it all you want, but our military budget is holding the world together right now. Without us, Israel is nuking everyone in the Middle East while missiles rain down on them, Russia is taking over everywhere else in Asia. North Korea would have attacked south korea long ago.

I don't have a problem with the budget, I do have a problem with the oversight. But if you think dismantling our military will help anyone, anywhere, you are sadly mistaken.

[Akrazotile]

You want to know what happens if we cut our spending in half...

You remember what Iraq used to look like with Sadaam in charge? You know what it looks like now?

Deny it all you want, but our military budget is holding the world together right now. Without us, Israel is nuking everyone in the Middle East while missiles rain down on them, Russia is taking over everywhere else in Asia. North Korea would have attacked south korea long ago.

I don't have a problem with the budget, I do have a problem with the oversight. But if you think dismantling our military will help anyone, anywhere, you are sadly mistaken.


Yup. It's like asking why Lebron or Curry or Durant take more shots than their teammates. Because as long as theyre GOOD shots, it's better for the team than distributing them equally. It's a lot better for the world to have America's army as the alpha than Russia of China.

[UK2K]

And no, its not our responsibility. Well, it shouldn't be.

But it is. Over the last 100 years, that's where we are now.

[jimmybball]

I'm not saying that I personally support increasing military spending. But I don't understand why the left doesn't.

It creates a fvckload of jobs. The left is always about government creating jobs, yes?

The military also ensures that we can go in and tell other cultures to do it our way. The left traditionally loves this. If a woman in kentucky isn't recognizing gay marriage in her state, liberals in california and massachussets sitting behind a computer screen start calling for the national guard to go in there and show her what tolerance is all about.

We also fought the bloodiest war in American history because the left wanted everyone to conform to its own moral standards.


So the military creates tons of jobs, and also provides us the might to make everyone around the world conform to liberalism.


Why does the left oppose this? Just because conservatives support it? Are they just trained monkies who have to cry and whine about anything Republican? They're socially conditioned ants just bleeting away the dogma they hear their peers promulgating?

EXPLANATION PLEASE.
I don't know why the right is for it. It increases taxes. It is based on the idea of helping those in countries that can't help themselves. 2 things the right are against when it comes to our own land.

[ThePhantomCreep]

You want to know what happens if we cut our spending in half...

You remember what Iraq used to look like with Sadaam in charge? You know what it looks like now?

Deny it all you want, but our military budget is holding the world together right now. Without us, Israel is nuking everyone in the Middle East while missiles rain down on them, Russia is taking over everywhere else in Asia. North Korea would have attacked south korea long ago.

I don't have a problem with the budget, I do have a problem with the oversight. But if you think dismantling our military will help anyone, anywhere, you are sadly mistaken.

Not sure I understand--are you saying our insanely expensive and completely unnecessary invasion and occupation of Iraq ultimately improved conditions in the region? Or are you one of the five remaining people in the US who still feel the war was justified?

The DoD has been selling that story for decades. "We need a strong military, the world will plunge into chaos without it". Yeah, sure. Typical BS used to justify their bloated budgets.

This country has been involved in some type of war for most of its history. I think we can stop pretending we're Earth's peacekeepers now.

[BoutPractice]

It's not that hard to understand... one reason is values, the other is that they prefer to spend money on social programs like universal health care.

The more money you spend on the military, the less you can spend on social programs... If the US could cut down on defense spending and have the rich pay just a little more in taxes, they would be able to pay for the kind of basic social protection you get in most first world countries without running up the debt. In theory that's all good and consistent.

The problem in practice: the United States being a world empire with a huge military complex tends to get dragged into costly wars no matter what the domestic priorities are (see LBJ as a great example).

Furthermore, Americans are particularly averse to taxes.

What therefore tends to happens is that when the left gets to power, social programs might get enacted (incremental and specific instead of universal due to the ferociousness of the right wing opposition, hence why you get hybrid monsters like Obamacare to get around that opposition), but not the amount in taxes to match, while military spending stagnates at best, increases at worst... When the right get to power, Americans (particularly wealthier ones) get a big tax cut AND defense spending goes through the roof.

The debt problem isn't that large now, but if the pattern continues, the US is in for enormous trouble in the long term.

[Akrazotile]

It's not that hard to understand... one reason is values, the other is that they prefer to spend money on social programs like universal health care.

The more money you spend on the military, the less you can spend on social programs... If the US could cut down on defense spending and have the rich pay just a little more in taxes, they would be able to pay for the kind of basic social protection you see in most first world countries without running up the debt.

The problem is, the United States being a world empire with a huge military complex tends to get dragged into costly wars no matter what the domestic priorities are (see LBJ as a great example).

Furthermore, Americans are particularly averse to taxes.

What therefore tends to happens is that when the left gets to power, social programs might get enacted (incremental and specific instead of universal due to the ferociousness of the right wing opposition, hence why you get hybrid monsters like Obamacare to get around that opposition), but not the amount in taxes to match, while military spending stagnates at best, increases at worst... When the right get to power, Americans (particularly wealthier ones) get a big tax cut AND defense spending goes through the roof.

The debt problem isn't that large now, but if the pattern continues, the US is in for enormous trouble in the long term.


You could say this about all government created jobs.

The left always wants the government to directly create jobs for people.

Why is the military the only exception to this view?

[ThePhantomCreep]

I don't know why the right is for it. It increases taxes. It is based on the idea of helping those in countries that can't help themselves. 2 things the right are against when it comes to our own land.

It's the wannabe alphamale mentality: "USA #1 = I'm #1" - say dickheads like the OP who never fired a weapon in their entire lives.

Since they themselves are weak, they need their country and race to be strong.

[jimmybball]

It's the wannabe alphamale mentality: "USA #1 = I'm #1" - say dickheads like the OP who never fired a weapon in their entire lives.

Since they themselves are weak, they need their country and race to be strong.
So the stereotypical bully that is hiding insecurities.

[ALBballer]

The right is just as hypocritical because they preach small government and fiscal conservatism but the United States Army is anything but small or fiscally sound.

[UK2K]

I don't know why the right is for it. It increases taxes. It is based on the idea of helping those in countries that can't help themselves. 2 things the right are against when it comes to our own land.

The right said they are opposed to helping Americans that cant help themselves?

Where did you see that? Or are you just making a blanket statement based on nothing because it sounds cool?

[Akrazotile]

I keep seeing this in here:



This message is hidden because ThePhantomCreep is on your ignore list.


But I'm not seeing it in the thread about the apish St John's student threatening to smash people's computers over a sticker.


Dude shows up in every thread where he can play the crybaby/victim/sympathy/minority card. Dodges every thread where he can't. :oldlol:

What a f@g.

[UK2K]

The right is just as hypocritical because they preach small government and fiscal conservatism but the United States Army is anything but small or fiscally sound.

That's the idea... to fix that.

Hence, why the right preachers small government and fiscal conservatism.

[ALBballer]

That's the idea... to fix that.

Hence, why the right preachers small government and fiscal conservatism.

Yes small government and fiscal conservativism unless it relates to our bloated military or giving huge corporations bailouts and huge tax subsidies .

Only the libertarians in the right wing actually practice those values. The majority of the right are war Hawks.

[shlver]

Military spending is simply the biggest federal jobs program. Indiscriminate cuts like 50% will destroy cities that depend on the military industrial complex and leave thousands unemployed.

[poido123]

Not sure I understand--are you saying our insanely expensive and completely unnecessary invasion and occupation of Iraq ultimately improved conditions in the region? Or are you one of the five remaining people in the US who still feel the war was justified?

The DoD has been selling that story for decades. "We need a strong military, the world will plunge into chaos without it". Yeah, sure. Typical BS used to justify their bloated budgets.

This country has been involved in some type of war for most of its history. I think we can stop pretending we're Earth's peacekeepers now.



We fight wars to protect national interests and those who can't defend themselves.


This isn't a peaceful world where you can leave the guns down and everything will be ok and fluffy little unicorns will fly through the air and all the world will join each other in group hugs etc etc.


I wouldn't expect a soft c.ck, tree hugging liberal pansy like yourself to understand that.


The problem isn't the military spending, the problem is who's in charge of the country and how they use that military to good use.


If you let America's military weaken to nothing, you will have no protection from nut job Kim Jon Un, you will have no resources to fight ISIS, you will lose America's fear factor over enemies who might think they can win a war with them.

[NumberSix]

Because the left wants to weaken America. It's not hard to figure out.

[BoutPractice]

You could say this about all government created jobs.

The left always wants the government to directly create jobs for people.

Why is the military the only exception to this view?
I wouldn't pretend to speak for "the left" but there is a difference investing productively in the future and engaging in a purely destructive activity like war.

I have no illusions that the US can turn into a hippie paradise: wars happen no matter who's in charge and preparing adequately for them, si vis pacem etc. is needed. But military spending for its own sake is uniquely dangerous... arms races for example actively cause wars, and in general the bigger your military, the more you'll want to use it.

[~primetime~]

50% is unrealistic

I just want to see a 10% cut...

https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/discretionary_spending_pie,_2015_large.png

THEN...throw 5% of that toward education, and the other 5% toward healthcare




hell, just even a 5% cut and throw all that extra savings toward education would nearly double the education budget.

[Akrazotile]

I wouldn't pretend to speak for "the left" but there is a difference investing productively in the future and engaging in a purely destructive activity like war.


There are a LOT of people in Iraq who are pretty thankful for US intervention and wouldn't consider it 'purely destructive.'

Do you consider the Civil War which reunited the North and South as 'purely destructive?'

[Akrazotile]

50% is unrealistic

I just want to see a 10% cut...

https://media.nationalpriorities.org/uploads/discretionary_spending_pie,_2015_large.png

THEN...throw 5% of that toward education, and the other 5% toward healthcare




hell, just even a 5% cut and throw all that extra savings toward education would nearly double the education budget.

To which specific areas/costs of education do you want to see more money directed?

[ThePhantomCreep]

The right said they are opposed to helping Americans that cant help themselves?

Where did you see that? Or are you just making a blanket statement based on nothing because it sounds cool?

:biggums:

Republicans are seemingly on an eternal quest to gut welfare and food stamps, nevermind that a full two-thirds of SNAP recipients can't work, because they are children, elderly or disabled.

Corporate welfare costs Americans far more than food stamps every year, but where do you think Republicans want to tighten their belts?

How many jobs bills did Republicans champion during the Great Recession, when Americans desperately needed them? How many veterans bill has Congress passed lately? Just last April, the GOP Congress tried to pass a bill that would have cut benefits for 70,000 veterans. "Murica hating" Obama threatened a veto, so they reworked it.

This is how Republicans thank our veterans--by telling them to fck off in the event they can't be used as political props: http://m.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2014/0227/Republicans-block-Senate-bill-to-boost-veterans-benefits

[~primetime~]

Okay, I'll just say right now that pie chart I posted is BS...we spend a lot more on healthcare than that.

BUT...healthcare is bigger issue in this country than military, putting A LITTLE more focus on that and less focus on stealth fighters would make the country better IMO.

[~primetime~]

To which specific areas/costs of education do you want to see more money directed?
college debt in general

it's ridiculous right now

[shlver]

Okay, I'll just say right now that pie chart I posted is BS...we spend a lot more on healthcare than that.

BUT...healthcare is bigger issue in this country than military, putting A LITTLE more focus on that and less focus on stealth fighters would make the country better IMO.
Check out entitlement spending. We do focus on it more than our military if you look at the raw numbers.

[NumberSix]

college debt in general

it's ridiculous right now
How about, people learn to not borrow money that they can't pay back? Especially if it's for something of no value.

Colleges are straight up playing people. Sorry, but a lot of these "classes" are are nothing more than a scam to get money from suckers. If you get yourself $100k in debt to pay for a degree in women's studies, you're just an idiot. A sucker is born everyday, and you're one of them. Colleges are blatantly making up shit like "taco appreciation" classes to rip-off idiots who are stupid enough to pay for it.

[Akrazotile]

Part of the reason our military is so huge is because we aren't just the US military, we are literally the WESTERN WORLD'S military. Without our military as the recognized top dog on the planet, our allies would be in a lot more precarious of a situation than the ones they currently enjoy.

Quite Frankly, with Stephen A Smith, we should be collecting tribute from these countries for our protection. We should insist Canada help pay for our military costs, else we'll tell Russia we don't have Canada's back anymore. Same with every other country out there.

We should make a public list of countries we will defend, and anyone can sign up as long as they're willing to help us foot the bill. Otherwise, you aint on the list and we'll make sure everyone knows it :pimp:

[~primetime~]

How about, people learn to not borrow money that they can't pay back? Especially if it's for something of no value.

Colleges are straight up playing people. Sorry, but a lot of these "classes" are are nothing more than a scam to get money from suckers. If you get yourself $100k in debt to pay for a degree in women's studies, you're just an idiot. A sucker is born everyday, and you're one of them. Colleges are blatantly making up shit like "taco appreciation" classes to rip-off idiots who are stupid enough to pay for it.
okay, so then no one goes to college.

I just recently had to create my son's college fund, it is estimated that it will cost him $250k by the time he is that age.

That's absurd...regardless of inflation, that is absurd....no one should be spending a quarter million to go to college. If the 'correct' way to go about things is "just don't go to college" then the system is broken.

[Akrazotile]

okay, so then no one goes to college.


Except engineers, lawyers, doctors, and so forth will be able to pay it back. Which is why they should take out loans and attend college.

People who are not taking a path with that kind of certainty should not be taking out loans to study 'English.'

[NumberSix]

okay, so then no one goes to college.

I just recently had to create my son's college fund, it is estimated that it will cost him $250k by the time he is that age.

That's absurd...regardless of inflation, that is absurd....no one should be spending a quarter million to go to college. If the 'correct' way to go about things is "just don't go to college" then the system is broken.
Ok, then tell the government to stop guaranteeing student loans to any fcuk-tard that wants one. It's called supply and demand. The government is driving up demand which drives up the cost. College costed like nothing before the government decided to go all clueless-do-gooder and interfered with the market.

[Akrazotile]

Also, PT, as long as you raise your son well and teach him good habits, encourage him, mold him into a good person, he won't need to pay 250k for college to be successful. He'll be just fine.

If there's a particular line of work that he really wants to go into which will require an expensive degree, then you'll be prepared to help him. But definitely focus on raising him with the right values, and it'll work itself out regardless.

[ThePhantomCreep]

More bombs, less learning.

Conservatives adore an uneducated populace.

[NumberSix]

More bombs, less learning.

Conservatives adore an uneducated populace.
You don't need to sit in expensive classroom to learn. Anybody with Internet access has the entirely of human knowledge at their fingertips.

[ThePhantomCreep]

You don't need to sit in expensive classroom to learn. Anybody with Internet access has the entirely of human knowledge at their fingertips.

23,000 posts in 5 years = a degree in jack and shit

[Sarcastic]

Please describe what you mean by "infrastructure" in your own words

Roads, bridges, tunnels, ports, rail, energy, waste, etc. The basic building blocks that every country needs.

You should read the infrastructure report card from the American Society of Civil Engineers. It's shocking how bad we are considering that we are the greatest country in the world.

[UK2K]

college debt in general

it's ridiculous right now
You can't force people to not be stupid.

You also shouldn't excuse the behavior.

[Sarcastic]

I didn't say we should cut military by 50%. I said we could and we would still be #1, and still more than double China (#2).

[poido123]

I didn't say we should cut military by 50%. I said we could and we would still be #1, and still more than double China (#2).


A small cut would be ideal, but you don't want that to set the precedence of a regular cut to military each budget.


A one off 5 or 10% reduction on the total military spending so it comes down to 45 or 50% for the future as well.


You still leave America with a sizeable military spending advantage even with those small cuts.

[BoutPractice]

Sarcastic > Absolutely.

Only Americans who don't have an international perspective on things think US defense funds are actually used for defense against legitimate foreign threats. The truth is, the US is an overextended empire with very little in terms of actual results to show for it.

Like many empires in the past, its best feature is the mostly guaranteed freedom of navigation and ease of trade, which costs a lot but surely not that much.

On the land, is still somewhat useful in Europe, in particular to deter Russian ambitions (though if it didn't, the EU might have more of an incentive to protect itself) but no longer on an economic level...

In the Middle East and Northern Africa, it mainly serves as an agent of chaos and destruction...

Elsewhere it is merely ineffective.

Common sense is what calls for a military downsizing, not treasonous left wing values.

[poido123]

23,000 posts in 5 years = a degree in jack and shit


Many of us get college degrees to get a good chance at a job, not necessarily a guarantee and a big number of those students don't get the ideal job that they dreamed of.


The government could push people to learn how to trade on the stock market or invest in property when they leave school, but the reality is they want a working class with a variety of skills to fill a variety of different jobs.

They also want the majority to be good little tax payers and conform to government policies and laws. It's what helps the world go round.


So essentially we are not being taught how to make money and be independent, but rather to fit into the needs of the government and how they want your money to be generated.


I'm not saying that doing college and going through the normal process is any less admirable, but I'm merely highlighting the flaws in people's mindset and how our government's agenda influences every decision we make.

[Blue&Orange]

Why don't they oppose overspending on social security and medicare?
how can someone be so dumb. This retard has got to be chained on some basement and it's feed by his parents on dog bowls.

[Nick Young]

Roads, bridges, tunnels, ports, rail, energy, waste, etc. The basic building blocks that every country needs.

You should read the infrastructure report card from the American Society of Civil Engineers. It's shocking how bad we are considering that we are the greatest country in the world.
Bro, I know what bad looks like. America is doing great by the rest of the world's standards. We aren't the very best but that's impossible to do in a nation of 318 million people that is geographically as large as America is. Infrastructure is not our biggest concern.

[ThePhantomCreep]

Bro, I know what bad looks like. America is doing great by the rest of the world's standards. We aren't the very best but that's impossible to do in a nation of 318 million people that is geographically as large as America is. Infrastructure is not our biggest concern.

OMG, 318 million people, whatever shall we do?!! :rolleyes:

European nations are less wealthy and less productive per capita, yet their infrastructure lords over ours. How do they do it? How do Asian cities like Tokyo and Seoul do it? Those cities make ours look podunk in comparison.

This is another example of conservatives adding nothing to the greatness of this nation--they're far too content with their mediocrity. Without progressives, America would be a giant Alabama.

[Dresta]

The left doesn't oppose military spending. The left opposes military over spending.

We could cut our military spending in half, and still spend more than twice the #2 country. The money we don't spend on military could be used on things that could actually help this country in a practical way, such as infrastructure.
No other country upholds and maintains the current world order like America does. Hence why China or Russia doing anything in their own spheres is "aggression" while America having missiles almost on these nation's borders is a matter of "defense" -- good luck maintaining the US-dominated hegemony all throughout the world without such high levels of spending.

I personally, would like the US to cut and run from most of the world, and scale back its involvement in the rest. That is the only real way to tackle US military dominance and the consequent levels of high-spending expended for the universalist cause of American liberal-utopianism.

The idea that you could ever have an "Empire" of liberty was farcical, and just one of the many contradictions that made up that sly fox Thomas Jefferson. Republic, or Empire: make a choice; the former makes liberty its measure, the latter, power; the American cause, starting with the US Constitution and the early acquisitions of territory, has always favoured power over liberty, despite its many pretences to the contrary. There is a reason why the US Constitution was barely ratified, and that the clinching argument (used by Madison at the Virginia convention), was that this Constitution would make their slaves (and other property) more secure.

[TheMan]

I keep seeing this in here:




But I'm not seeing it in the thread about the apish St John's student threatening to smash people's computers over a sticker.


Dude shows up in every thread where he can play the crybaby/victim/sympathy/minority card. Dodges every thread where he can't. :oldlol:

What a f@g.
Wait, you have people on an ignore list?

Lulz, that's pretty weak and pathetic...beta af :oldlol:

Then you call him a f*g :facepalm

There are many posters whom I think are shit and have idiotic stances, you being among the top of the list but I would never put people on ignore even if they post garbage and give me cancer with their idiocy because I would rather engage them than run away from a debate, you OTOH ignore posters who challenge you...PATHETIC :hammerhead:

Wittle baby can't handle it awwww :roll:

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okay, so then no one goes to college.

I just recently had to create my son's college fund, it is estimated that it will cost him $250k by the time he is that age.

That's absurd...regardless of inflation, that is absurd....no one should be spending a quarter million to go to college. If the 'correct' way to go about things is "just don't go to college" then the system is broken.
Won't cost him anything if he's willing to put in the work.

Push him.