Better Finals performance: 2003 Duncan vs 2006 Wade

[SouBeachTalents]

2003 Duncan: 24/17/5/1/5 on 50%

http://sportige.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/Tim-Duncan-2003.jpg

Series Highlights (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TC8NapbDkes)

2006 Wade: 35/8/4/3/1 on 47%

http://espn.go.com/photo/2008/0608/nba_wade_580.jpg

Series Highlights (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEyo2P5dgec)

Imo the two greatest Finals performances since 3peat Shaq

[SuperPippen]

Duncan had a f*cking quad dub in the series clinching game.

Duncan.

[DonDraper]

Imo the two greatest Finals performances since 3peat Shaq

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LeBrons 2012, 2014, 2015 Finals are better than either of them

2012 - 29/11/7 on 45%

2014 - 28/8/4 on 68% TS

2015- 36/13/9 on 40%

[Fire Colangelo]

Wade IMO...

Duncan played a good, but not great Nets team. Wade went against a great team with Dirk on FIRE that year coming back from a 0-2 deficit.

[JohnFreeman]

Wade

[SamuraiSWISH]

Wade. 2006 Mavericks > 2003 Nets

[Wade's Rings]

Was literally thinking about making this thread yesterday.

[sammichoffate]

Wade

[Deuce Bigalow]

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LeBrons 2012, 2014, 2015 Finals are better than either of them

2012 - 29/11/7 on 45%


2014 - 28/8/4 on 68% TS

2015- 36/13/9 on 40%
http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/mjl.gif

[OldSchoolBBall]

Pretty clearly Duncan.

[DonDadda59]

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LeBrons 2012, 2014, 2015 Finals are better than either of them

2012 - 29/11/7 on 45%

2014 - 28/8/4 on 68% TS

2015- 36/13/9 on 40%

Empty. So many empty stats.

The answer to the OP is Timmy. Mr. Whistle spammed the hell out of free throws.

[TomBrady]

Duncan.

[BlakFrankWhite]

Duncan, but it's very very close

[Wade's Rings]

Empty. So many empty stats.

The answer to the OP is Timmy. Mr. Whistle spammed the hell out of free throws.

What about when Mike shoots a lot of Free Throws?

[DonDraper]

What about when Mike shoots a lot of Free Throws?

Wade is GARBAGE bro, just deal with it

[Wade's Rings]

Wade is GARBAGE bro, just deal with it

:applause:

[DonDadda59]

What about when Mike shoots a lot of Free Throws?

Wade in '06 had the most FTs in a single series in NBA History. Remember that hack-a-Shaq was a thing. But Wade, a 6'4" guard has the record. :eek:

[TheBigVeto]

Duncan and it's not even close. He was alpha without the refs and the commish behind him.

Dwhistle on the other hand, won the most tainted championship not won by the Lakers since David Stern took office.

[Gileraracer]

Wade without his 17 free throws per game is just mediocre

[masonanddixon]

2006 Wade of course. Duncan's best series that postseason was against the Lakers. He got exposed a bit by the Dallas small ball lineup.

[sammichoffate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhDBSYJok1A
Fearless :bowdown:

[feyki]

Without refs help , it's not even close .

With refs , slightly Duncan .

[masonanddixon]

Without refs help , it's not even close .

With refs , slightly Duncan .

Duncan got a lot of bullshit calls in his day too. And his on-court behavior made him nearly unwatchable.

[swagga]

wade, easy

[masonanddixon]

wade, easy

Correct. Whether or not you choose to factor in the officiating, he statistically had the greatest Finals performance ever.

[feyki]

Duncan got a lot of bullshit calls in his day too. And his on-court behavior made him nearly unwatchable.

I didn't ever see Duncan act like flop to ground , hold his face and eye contact to refs when got soft contact .

And yes , that was Wade's signature .

[sportjames23]

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LeBrons 2012, 2014, 2015 Finals are better than either of them

2012 - 29/11/7 on 45%

2014 - 28/8/4 on 68% TS

2015- 36/13/9 on 40%


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[aj1987]

I didn't ever see Duncan act like flop to ground , hold his face and eye contact to refs when got soft contact .

And yes , that was Wade's signature .
Dude, Duncan literally cries on every missed shot. Wade does flop, but on the play that you're referring to, he actually got poked in the eye. I'll try to find the picture which showed Dirk hitting him in the face. I think Plowking posted that picture on here.

[feyki]

Dude, Duncan literally cries on every missed shot. Wade does flop, but on the play that you're referring to, he actually got poked in the eye. I'll try to find the picture which showed Dirk hitting him in the face. I think Plowking posted that picture on here.

I didn't see Dirk hit Wade but I saw Wade hit Dirk and Refs said foul by Dirk . And That was last min of the Game 5 , probably ( i'm not sure which game is ) . Actually that happened on entire series .

Where is the Duncan's refs protections ? Show me .

[Quickening]

I didn't ever see Duncan act like flop to ground , hold his face and eye contact to refs when got soft contact .

And yes , that was Wade's signature .

nothing to do with basketball ability... Wade was unstoppable, thats why teams had no choice to foul him.

[feyki]

nothing to do with basketball ability... Wade was unstoppable, thats why teams had no choice to foul him.

Teams didn't foul him . Wade got fouls with rules . Different things .

No rules , no protection , no refs effect to the game ; Before 1980 is real basketball era :bowdown: :bowdown: .

[dunksby]

IIRC Wade got 100 FTA during that series, shit was ridiculous, Duncan gets my nod.

[dunksby]

I didn't see Dirk hit Wade but I saw Wade hit Dirk and Refs said foul by Dirk . And That was last min of the Game 5 , probably ( i'm not sure which game is ) . Actually that happened on entire series .

Where is the Duncan's refs protections ? Show me .
Dirk didn't have a good series anyway.

[Wade's Rings]

Wade in '06 had the most FTs in a single series in NBA History. Remember that hack-a-Shaq was a thing. But Wade, a 6'4" guard has the record. :eek:

No answer on Mike?

[ShawkFactory]

Correct. Whether or not you choose to factor in the officiating, he statistically had the greatest Finals performance ever.
No he didn't...

[aj1987]

I didn't see Dirk hit Wade but I saw Wade hit Dirk and Refs said foul by Dirk . And That was last min of the Game 5 , probably ( i'm not sure which game is ) . Actually that happened on entire series .
I'm not sure what play you're talking about. Wade got hit in the eye by Dirk in '11.


Where is the Duncan's refs protections ? Show me .
Dude, the same season, Duncan averaged 13 FT's a game against the Mav's. Only 3 fewer than Wade. 23 FT's in G7. Lets not act like the Spurs never had the refs on their side.

[masonanddixon]

I didn't ever see Duncan act like flop to ground , hold his face and eye contact to refs when got soft contact .

And yes , that was Wade's signature .

You don't recall Duncan literally jumping up and down with his arms held in disbelief like a ten year old after ever single time he went into the paint? He was literally unwatchable in his prime because of how much he bitched about literally everything. He used to get the most soft calls too, like initiating a basic post move and then getting the bail out call. Some of the most bitch calls ever for a big man.

I think the only thing more pathetic than Duncan's whining about getting fouled every time he touches the ball is the staredown he gives to every ref when he gets whistled for a foul.

[Wade's Rings]

I didn't ever see Duncan act like flop to ground , hold his face and eye contact to refs when got soft contact .

And yes , that was Wade's signature .

Wade got hit on the eye on that shot attempt. You didn't watch the Game if you say that.

[DonDraper]

Wade got hit on the eye on that shot attempt. You didn't watch the Game if you say that.

No he didn't

[Wade's Rings]

No he didn't

Ok.

[Akhenaten]

Wade in '06 had the most FTs in a single series in NBA History. Remember that hack-a-Shaq was a thing. But Wade, a 6'4" guard has the record. :eek:

Most in the finals, I doubt he has the series record, he could though I don't know. Still why is this viewed as a demerit? If anything it speaks to just how dominant and unstoppable a player is. Wade shot 97 FTS in 6 games, that's 16 a game.

Lebron shot 94 in 6 games in his ECF matchup vs the Magic, nobody ever brings that up to discount lebrons series, all anybody ever says is 38/8/8! It's pretty much regarded as his best individual series ever and one of the best for any player.

Jordan in the 88-89 season avg 14 FTA over a 17 game postseason including two games where he shot 27 and 28 FTS, where's the outrage? Almost one third of Jordan's points came from the ft line in that playoff run. Do you disparage that?

Dirk shot 229 FTS to Wade's 250 in that playoff season, both played 23 games. Dirk shot .9 less ft per game, think about especially given their play styles.

It's funny you bring up Shaq do you realize that just the series prior to that 06 final Wade had avg 27 ppg on 62% shooting? Through the first 4 games of that ECF dude was avg 30 on 72% against a top 3-5 defense with prime Ben Wallace manning the paint.

You realize this dude has playoff series where he avg 33 ppg on 56% vs another top 5 D (2010 Celtics), 30 on 53%, 27 on 55%, 27 on 54%...less than 10 FTA per in all these playoff series BTW.

That's about 30 playoff games where dude avg 28 ppg on 58%, that's Shaqesque type shit. He was THAT dominant a player in the paint. On top of that Dallas could not guard the 2 guard spot all year and did not have a rim protector and there you have it. It was either Dallas fouled him over watch him avg 30 on shaq-like percentages.

It's funny this is the same Dallas team Kobe dropped 62 points in three quarters in that same 06 season. This held by many (especially Kobe fans) as one of the most impressive scoring displays of all time.

No one, and I mean NO ONE ever brings up the fact Kobe shot 21 FTS in 3 qtrs as a detracting factor from that performance. Yet and still Kobe fan are amongst the most vocal in demeaning or discounting Wade's 06 Final. It's mind-boggling.

What is your point exactly in bringing up the sheer volume of FTS wade shot giving no consideration to context?

[jimmybball]

Even with the refs helping Wade the answer is Duncan, and pretty easily. This makes it all the more impressive that Duncan did this without extreme ref favoritism.

[Wade's Rings]

Most in the finals, I doubt he has the series record, he could though I don't know. Still why is this viewed as a demerit? If anything it speaks to just how dominant and unstoppable a player is. Wade shot 97 FTS in 6 games, that's 16 a game.

Lebron shot 94 in 6 games in his ECF matchup vs the Magic, nobody ever brings that up to discount lebrons series, all anybody ever says is 38/8/8! It's pretty much regarded as his best individual series ever and one of the best for any player.

Jordan in the 88-89 season avg 14 FTA over a 17 game postseason including two games where he shot 27 and 28 FTS, where's the outrage? Almost one third of Jordan's points came from the ft line in that playoff run. Do you disparage that?

Dirk shot 229 FTS to Wade's 250 in that playoff season, both played 23 games. Dirk shot .9 less ft per game, think about especially given their play styles.

It's funny you bring up Shaq do you realize that just the series prior to that 06 final Wade had avg 27 ppg on 62% shooting? Through the first 4 games of that ECF dude was avg 30 on 72% against a top 3-5 defense with prime Ben Wallace manning the paint.

You realize this dude has playoff series where he avg 33 ppg on 56% vs another top 5 D (2010 Celtics), 30 on 53%, 27 on 55%, 27 on 54%...less than 10 FTA per in all these playoff series BTW.

That's about 30 playoff games where dude avg 28 ppg on 58%, that's Shaqesque type shit. He was THAT dominant a player in the paint. On top of that Dallas could not guard the 2 guard spot all year and did not have a rim protector and there you have it. It was either Dallas fouled him over watch him avg 30 on shaq-like percentages.

It's funny this is the same Dallas team Kobe dropped 62 points in three quarters in that same 06 season. This held by many (especially Kobe fans) as one of the most impressive scoring displays of all time.

No one, and I mean NO ONE ever brings up the fact Kobe shot 21 FTS in 3 qtrs as a detracting factor from that performance. Yet and still Kobe fan are amongst the most vocal in demeaning or discounting Wade's 06 Final. It's mind-boggling.

What is your point exactly in bringing up the sheer volume of FTS wade shot giving no consideration to context?

:applause: :applause:

[derb2k2]

Most in the finals, I doubt he has the series record, he could though I don't know. Still why is this viewed as a demerit? If anything it speaks to just how dominant and unstoppable a player is. Wade shot 97 FTS in 6 games, that's 16 a game.

Lebron shot 94 in.....

Best and most reasonable post in this thread. :applause: :applause:

[jlip]

Duncan

[Akhenaten]

Even with the refs helping Wade the answer is Duncan, and pretty easily. This makes it all the more impressive that Duncan did this without extreme ref favoritism.

You feel Wade and/or the Heat were favoured?

How? You do realize the Heat were down 13 with 6 mins to go in the third game of that series right? They were 6 mins away from going down 3-0, who favoured them?....God?

[feyki]

Dirk didn't have a good series anyway.

Of course . But he played against refs too . If Dirk had Wade's protection , you know Stern wait for new Jordan to raise NBA's popularity , Dirk would played much more comfortably and would be better in that series .


Wade got hit on the eye on that shot attempt. You didn't watch the Game if you say that.

Which game ? Which period ?



You don't recall Duncan literally jumping up and down with his arms held in disbelief like a ten year old after ever single time he went into the paint? He was literally unwatchable in his prime because of how much he bitched about literally everything. He used to get the most soft calls too, like initiating a basic post move and then getting the bail out call. Some of the most bitch calls ever for a big man.

I think the only thing more pathetic than Duncan's whining about getting fouled every time he touches the ball is the staredown he gives to every ref when he gets whistled for a foul.


Keep going on hating and lying , next .



I'm not sure what play you're talking about. Wade got hit in the eye by Dirk in '11.


Dude, the same season, Duncan averaged 13 FT's a game against the Mav's. Only 3 fewer than Wade. 23 FT's in G7. Lets not act like the Spurs never had the refs on their side.

Haa , cmon that wasn't foul , not even close . He didn't touch him . In Game 5 of 2006 Finals , that was probably at around last 50 seconds . Wade was driving the ball in crouched position and hit with arm to the Dirk's body and refs called foul by Dirk . And Wade drawn two ft's .

[IncarceratedBob]

lets see their stats without free throws. Yeah I thought so. gimme Tim

[Mass Debator]

The one who won 4 straight averaging 39/8/4 in his 3rd year with Antoine Walker as his second leading scorer shooting below 40% from the field.

[f0und]

wade

not only was it a great series statistically, but it was probably the most heroic underdog performance in finals history.

being down 0-2 with a leg in the grave, about to be down 0-3, wade simply took over and led a historic comeback. i dont think i've ever seen that kind of will to win before in a series.

duncan, staticstically very impressive but cmon, he was playing the nets. he wasnt the underdog. there was no comeback. they werent underdogs. they won a series they were supposed to win. theres no story here. nothing memorable. just a great player on a great team beating the *hit out of a mediocre team.

and for those trolling about refs, *uck off. im not gonna even bother arguing that because i know you already have your mind made up.

[Wade's Rings]

@feyki Dirk hit Wade on the last shot of Game 2 in the '11 Finals.

Also, the play your referencing to AJ was in Game 6 of the '06 and with about 30 or 40 seconds left.

[Lebron23]

Give me Dwayne Wade. That Net teams were horrible. 2006 Mavericks > 2003 Nets.

[Wade's Rings]

You feel Wade and/or the Heat were favoured?

How? You do realize the Heat were down 13 with 6 mins to go in the third game of that series right? They were 6 mins away from going down 3-0, who favoured them?....God?

Exactly. After the Heat went down 13 in Game 3 with 6:30 to go the Heat shot 7 Free Throws. 2 were because they fouled Haslem on a fastbreak, 2 to stop a Shaq dunk, and 2 to stop the clock after Dirk missed the Game tying Free Throw. That's favored?

[pastis]

Give me Dwayne Wade. That Net teams were horrible. 2006 Mavericks > 2003 Nets.

this

[Carbine]

Since when has the '03 Nets been awful?

They made the finals two straight times with the same core and Byron Scott as head coach. MVP Caliber Kidd, Prime Kenyon Martin and Richard Jefferson.....3 or 4 other quality role players.

[SouBeachTalents]

Since when has the '03 Nets been awful?

They made the finals two straight times with the same core and Byron Scott as head coach. MVP Caliber Kidd, Prime Kenyon Martin and Richard Jefferson.....3 or 4 other quality role players.

They did only win 49 games, but I guarantee nobody knows they had won 10 in a row heading into the Finals, including two straight sweeps

[InsanityKills]

Wade easily, Duncan is a system player would be average without Pop.

[Wade's Rings]

Wade easily, Duncan is a system player would be average without Pop.

:biggums:

[ArbitraryWater]

Since when has the '03 Nets been awful?

They made the finals two straight times with the same core and Byron Scott as head coach. MVP Caliber Kidd, Prime Kenyon Martin and Richard Jefferson.....3 or 4 other quality role players.

not exactly an indication of them not being horrible, just more evidence to how piss poor of a conference it was.

[PJR]

I don't care to compare a big man and a guard to be honest. Two totally different impacts and skillets.

[bukowski81]

Wade easily, Duncan is a system player would be average without Pop.

The amazing "throw it to Duncan and lets see what happens" pops system of 03

[rmt]

Wade easily, Duncan is a system player would be average without Pop.

We all wish we had more system players like 2003 league MVP Duncan :confusedshrug:

You guys are forgetting half of the game is defense, which Duncan anchored. My memories of 2006 Finals are Mavs got payback for the series vs Spurs with the amount of whistles for Wade and how stupid Manu's foul was as the Spurs would beat that 2006 Heat - probable 3-peat.

[WayOfWade]

Oh my goodness, so many idiots in this thread it's ridiculous.


lets see their stats without free throws. Yeah I thought so. gimme Tim
Hey, Incarcerated Bob, what kind of absolutely idiotic comment is this? Why don't you go find me where Wade's FT's were BS? You do realize that if you get fouled while going for a shot, you get FT's right? That's kind of the way basketball works, so go ahead and throw out an entire aspect of the game and call it good; OH WAIT, you already did you worthless piece of crap. Give us a good reason while you're here or don't post anything at all.


LeBrons 2012, 2014, 2015 Finals are better than either of them

:facepalm Certainly not 2014, that series was an embarassment. 2012 was decent, but Wade's was better (I'll go to why in a moment). 2015 is debatable, however a big part of the finals is to win. Now I'm not saying that any FMVP was more impresive than LeBron in 2015, just that him losing takes a big hit and takes it out of the conversation as being "Better."

As for anyone who says "Duncan Easily" you're all fools who don't contribute anything to this site. I can understand why you'd say his was better, i.e. he dominated a decent Nets team (I wouldn't know), but his stats were unbelievable and I imagine his defense was fantastic (as shown by his near quad-duble and his ability to defend great even today), so at least give a decent argument. What made Wade's finals ATG though was the fact that he was a heavy underdog and was already down 2-0 in the series with a 13 point fourth quarter deficit, yet he defied the odds and put on monstrous performances of 42, 36, 43, and 36 point games to win 4 straight and clinch the series. Everyone is quick to point out his FT's but never realize that Wade is a slasher, it's what he does. Not only that, but they can never point out a single FT that wasn't earned. All they can do is say "Refs" or "D-Whistle" like he's cheating. Go back and watch the games (as I have multiple times) and show me a single BS free throw that changed the direction of the series. If I remember correctly, in the epic 4th quarter where the Heat came back, he had next to no FT's during the entire stretch, and Dirk (who had a chance to win the game at the line) failed, choked, missed his FT's and cost his team a chance at going up 3-0. Wade's FT's to win Game 5? Go check the film, dude got HACKED.
All in all though, Akhenaten's post really sums everything up pretty nicely. You can say Duncan's finals was better but don't say it's "an easy choice," because Wade's was better in a lot of people's opinions, including the Holy Bible of opinions, ESPN...
http://espn.go.com/nba/playoffs/2012/story/_/page/FinalsPerformances-1/greatest-finals-performances-no-1
Can you dig it, sucka?

[Akhenaten]

Calling Duncan a system player is disrespectful and just flat out WRONG, yall need to cut that out.


Since when has the '03 Nets been awful?



They were certainly not awful, that's hyperbolic to say, in relation to their competition vs who the Heat faced in 06 they are certainly mediocre at best. The Heat had no business winning that series...NONE.

What Wade did was Herculean, mythological type shit. Especially his 4th quarter performance in Game 3. When combined with his statistical output it's a no-brainer IMO who's performance was superior

[InsanityKills]

We all wish we had more system players like 2003 league MVP Duncan :confusedshrug:

You guys are forgetting half of the game is defense, which Duncan anchored. My memories of 2006 Finals are Mavs got payback for the series vs Spurs with the amount of whistles for Wade and how stupid Manu's foul was as the Spurs would beat that 2006 Heat - probable 3-peat.
The salt still burns I see.:lol :lol

[ShawkFactory]

The salt still burns I see.:lol :lol
You were just called on something you said that was stupid and incorrect.

Doesn't seem to be any salt anywhere.

[T_L_P]

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LeBrons 2012, 2014, 2015 Finals are better than either of them

2012 - 29/11/7 on 45%

2014 - 28/8/4 on 68% TS

2015- 36/13/9 on 40%

How is 29/10/7 against the 12th ranked defense and basically giving Durant whatever he wanted better than 24/17/5/5 against the 1st ranked defense and playing some of the best individual D ever for a series?

[feyki]

How is 29/10/7 against the 12th ranked defense and basically giving Durant whatever he wanted better than 24/17/5/5 against the 1st ranked defense and playing some of the best individual D ever for a series?

Not some , greatest defensive series ever .

[Akhenaten]

Whoa didnt realize the Nets were ranked #1 in drtg that season, 2nd in points against and 2nd in FG% against. Dont remember them being that good, anybody remember them being reputed for their D?

[Wade's Rings]

Whoa didnt realize the Nets were ranked #1 in drtg that season, 2nd in points against and 2nd in FG% against. Dont remember them being that good, anybody remember them being reputed for their D?

Yes. They were #1 in '02 and '03 IIRC just by adding Kidd.

[Akhenaten]

Yes. They were #1 in '02 and '03 IIRC just by adding Kidd.

They offense must have been some shit then goddamn.

[rmt]

Hardly anyone complains about the (same) Nets that the Lakers faced with one less year and playoffs experience but somehow they're this weak competition that the Spurs faced.

[Wade's Rings]

They offense must have been some shit then goddamn.

Were 18th in '03 not sure about '02 but I imagine it couldn't have been better.

[sportjames23]

Well played, OP, turning Wade and Duncan fans against each other. Well played indeed.

[GrapeApe]

Wade by a hair.

The officiating conspiracy theory in the finals has been thoroughly debunked time after time. In fact, had Dallas made critical free throws they would have won the series. I'll say it again because it bears repeating. If Dallas made their free throws they would have won. That's what's so ironic about the officiating conspiracy nonsense. I don't understand how that gets glossed over.

If you want to argue that Wade benefited from the rule changes, fine, but it doesn't change the fact that he relentlessly attacked the rim more than any player in modern history. I think people forget how explosive young Wade was. Nobody had any answers for him, and it wasn't just in the finals. He averaged 28/6/6/2/1 on 59%TS for the entire playoff run including 27/6/5/2/2 on 68%TS against one of the league's top defenses in the ECF. In his 2005 playoff run he averaged 27/7/6/2/1 on 56%TS. He was shredding everyone.

[feyki]

Wade by a hair.

The officiating conspiracy theory in the finals has been thoroughly debunked time after time. In fact, had Dallas made critical free throws they would have won the series. I'll say it again because it bears repeating. If Dallas made their free throws they would have won. That's what's so ironic about the officiating conspiracy nonsense. I don't understand how that gets glossed over.

If you want to argue that Wade benefited from the rule changes, fine, but it doesn't change the fact that he relentlessly attacked the rim more than any player in modern history. I think people forget how explosive young Wade was. Nobody had any answers for him, and it wasn't just in the finals. He averaged 28/6/6/2/1 on 59%TS for the entire playoff run including 27/6/5/2/2 on 68%TS against one of the league's top defenses in the ECF. In his 2005 playoff run he averaged 27/7/6/2/1 on 56%TS. He was shredding everyone.


Nobody didn't say , Wade wasn't great or something like that . Wade had great two consecutive years in his early career . I remember those days , everybody was talking about Wade all day . And someone mentioned Lebron , Who's Lebron ?

Wade was great . And He was great at 09-11 , again . But he had ref help much more than everyone in nba finals history . Wade or Heat fans should agree with that . That's fact . But that wasn't Wade or Heat fault . That was Stern and Nba's fault . Stern's shame .

[Spurs5Rings2014]

Duncan. His defense was GOAT tier that finals and he was playing against the #1 defense that season, so his offensive stats would be higher otherwise (Mavs were 11th defense in 2006). For reference, Duncan put up 28/17/6/1/3 on 57% against the 2003 Mavs (9th defense that season).

[Wade's Rings]

Nobody didn't say , Wade wasn't great or something like that . Wade had great two consecutive years in his early career . I remember those days , everybody was talking about Wade all day . And someone mentioned Lebron , Who's Lebron ?

Wade was great . And He was great at 09-11 , again . But he had ref help much more than everyone in nba finals history . Wade or Heat fans should agree with that . That's fact . But that wasn't Wade or Heat fault . That was Stern and Nba's fault . Stern's shame .

Wade had more help than everyone in NBA History? :oldlol:

You make no sense. You criticize Wade for shooting Free Throws in this series but in another thread you propped up a series where Bron shot 94 Free Throws.