Carrier Corp. moving their plant in Indiana to Mexico, costing 1400 jobs

[Patrick Chewing]

Article: http://www.indystar.com/story/money/2016/02/10/carrier-move-indy-unit-mexico-eliminate-1400-jobs/80181804/


Video of the announcement to an angry crowd of employees:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3ttxGMQOrY


Brutal.


Well, I know one candidate who will win Indiana come November.

[Blue&Orange]

Brutal? what dumbass:roll:


It's the free market, globalization, capitalism etc etc... those things right wings morons like yourself idolize.


Thanks for reinforcing how clueless you morons are.

[Patrick Chewing]

Brutal? what dumbass:roll:


It's the free market, globalization, capitalism etc etc... those things right wings morons like yourself idolize.


Thanks for reinforcing how clueless you morons are.


Some dumbass you are. Carrier's parent company brings in over 50 billion a year and you're going to say it's a "free market"?? The goal of Capitalism is not to downsize and move your company out of the country for cheaper labor.

Go **** yourself.

[KyrieTheFuture]

Some dumbass you are. Carrier's parent company brings in over 50 billion a year and you're going to say it's a "free market"?? The goal of Capitalism is not to downsize and move your company out of the country for cheaper labor.

Go **** yourself.
The goal of capitalism is to make the most money possible, moving your factory to another country to increase profits is exactly what capitalism supports.

[longtime lurker]

Some dumbass you are. Carrier's parent company brings in over 50 billion a year and you're going to say it's a "free market"?? The goal of Capitalism is not to downsize and move your company out of the country for cheaper labor.

Go **** yourself.

Like has been said. Corporations are in the business of maximizing their shareholder value. Maybe if you picked up a book some time you'd educate yourself on how capitalism and the free market actually works.

[NumberSix]

Like has been said. Corporations are in the business of maximizing their shareholder value. Maybe if you picked up a book some time you'd educate yourself on how capitalism and the free market actually works.
Honest question... Do you know what the phrase "free market" means?

A free market would be the United States not having a minimum wage. Having a minimum wage that is 10x higher than Mexico's, endless regulations that Mexico doesn't have is not a free market. That's called stacking the deck against America.

[DonDadda59]

Have Trump build a wall to keep them in America. Have Mexico pay for it. :applause:


The goal of capitalism is to make the most money possible, moving your factory to another country to increase profits is exactly what capitalism supports.


Like has been said. Corporations are in the business of maximizing their shareholder value. Maybe if you picked up a book some time you'd educate yourself on how capitalism and the free market actually works.

Chewing clearly hates America. But the question is why?

Why, Pat? Why do you hate America and bald eagles? Why?

[UK2K]

Brutal? what dumbass:roll:


It's the free market, globalization, capitalism etc etc... those things right wings morons like yourself idolize.


Thanks for reinforcing how clueless you morons are.
Free market in THIS country.

If it were truly a free market, every company would outsource the work to 5 year olds in India, which I'm sure you'd be cool with.

Nice strawman though.

Of course, if we want to play the 'free market' game, which leftists in this thread seem to support, then get rid of OSHA and get rid of the minimum wage. Free market and all. That's what we're cheering here, right? So don't stop here, keep your cheering going all the way.

[Godzuki]

meh i dont blame them :sleeping

american workers are generally lazier, entitled, and less productive than your average mexican.

american regulations, taxes, etc. are company killers.

move over the skill need employee's like the engineers and use the mexicans as automatons at 1/10 the cost of your average american employee who wants his month of paid vacation, 401k, etc. etc.....Win :pimp:

[DonDadda59]

meh i dont blame them :sleeping

american workers are generally lazier, entitled, and less productive than your average mexican.

american regulations, taxes, etc. are company killers.

move over the skill need employee's like the engineers and use the mexicans as automatons at 1/10 the cost of your average american employee who wants his month of paid vacation, 401k, etc. etc.....Win :pimp:

Deregulation FTW. :bowdown:

[bladefd]

The goal of capitalism is to make the most money possible, moving your factory to another country to increase profits is exactly what capitalism supports.

Pretty much hit the nail on the coffin. We cannot compete with developing countries unless if we were to okay paying folks $2 a day.

[Blue&Orange]

Some dumbass you are. Carrier's parent company brings in over 50 billion a year and you're going to say it's a "free market"?? The goal of Capitalism is not to downsize and move your company out of the country for cheaper labor.

Go **** yourself.
:lol Thanks for proving my point on how clueless you idiots are.

[longtime lurker]

Honest question... Do you know what the phrase "free market" means?

A free market would be the United States not having a minimum wage. Having a minimum wage that is 10x higher than Mexico's, endless regulations that Mexico doesn't have is not a free market. That's called stacking the deck against America.

Well if you're in favour of complete deregulation of the market then let's leave everything up to the free market. I'm you'll be fine with paying for the roads you drive on, police service, fire service etc.

[Nick Young]

Save us based Trump.

He's the only one against this type of shit.

[Nick Young]

Brutal? what dumbass:roll:


It's the free market, globalization, capitalism etc etc... those things right wings morons like yourself idolize.


Thanks for reinforcing how clueless you morons are.
Only because left wing bureaucracy making it bad business for American companies to be based in America.

Lefties literally worked to incentivize American business men to start their companies in foreign countries and use foreign labor and production.

Hold this L dems.


Laissez faire. Bring it back Trump.

[Nick Young]

Honest question... Do you know what the phrase "free market" means?

A free market would be the United States not having a minimum wage. Having a minimum wage that is 10x higher than Mexico's, endless regulations that Mexico doesn't have is not a free market. That's called stacking the deck against America.
Thanks Democrats:facepalm

[9erempiree]

Wow...what a video. I can feel them right when he said it.

When he said moving the company from....it wasn't that bad....till Monterrey, Mexico....hell broke loose.

[Trollsmasher]

vote for Bernie!

he will raise the minimum wage AND taxes, so these ebil companies will surely have to stop leaving

or...?

socialist highfive!

[HitandRun Reggie]

Carrier got $5.4 million in green energy tax credits plus another $500k+ in state grants of which IN is trying to get back. It's a drop in the bucket for a company with billions in annual revenue, but they should have to pay that back.

[Hawker]

Probably shouldn't buy a Carrier product until they've fully moved to Mexico.

[Patrick Chewing]

vote for Bernie!

he will raise the minimum wage AND taxes, so these ebil companies will surely have to stop leaving




LOL that's probably the reason why they're leaving to Mexico in the first place.

[Kblaze8855]

My cousin had his job move all the work to eastern europe after 39 years on. Took some of his retirement back too. Its one of those things you cant exactly call out a business for unless you think they are there to serve the country and not to generate profit. Theres an emotional argument against it.....not much of a business one.

Comes down to....should a company be required to stay in America....even if its bad for business?

Its hard to say its morally correct to force someone to do bad business.

Just comes down to what you think you can do about it....but you cant just say "Stay here and cut back...." as if its our right to have the jobs.

You arent owed work because the company does a lot of business in America. Now if they squeeze money out of the local government through promises to stay...tax breaks and so on? Ok. Discuss some of that.

But we cant just say....**** your profit pay us 8 times what someone else will take for the work.

It sucks....but business isnt a matter of the heart. Its a matter of the bottom line.

[bladefd]

My cousin had his job move all the work to eastern europe after 39 years on. Took some of his retirement back too. Its one of those things you cant exactly call out a business for unless you think they are there to serve the country and not to generate profit. Theres an emotional argument against it.....not much of a business one.

Comes down to....should a company be required to stay in America....even if its bad for business?

Its hard to say its morally correct to force someone to do bad business.

Just comes down to what you think you can do about it....but you cant just say "Stay here and cut back...." as if its our right to have the jobs.

You arent owed work because the company does a lot of business in America. Now if they squeeze money out of the local government through promises to stay...tax breaks and so on? Ok. Discuss some of that.

But we cant just say....**** your profit pay us 8 times what someone else will take for the work.

It sucks....but business isnt a matter of the heart. Its a matter of the bottom line.

At the end of the day, no one can truly compete with 2 dollars a day.

This is why we need more advanced jobs that you need college degree to do or long-term training on the job. Very tough to replicate that in China/Sri Lanka/India by some homeless kid barely able to feed himself. Let those basic jobs go overseas because we won't be able to keep those here. No way we can unless if you were to okay paying folks really cheap quarter per hour of work.

[longtime lurker]

At the end of the day, no one can truly compete with 2 dollars a day.

This is why we need more advanced jobs that you need college degree to do or long-term training on the job. Very tough to replicate that in China/Sri Lanka/India by some homeless kid barely able to feed himself. Let those basic jobs go overseas because we won't be able to keep those here. No way we can unless if you were to okay paying folks really cheap quarter per hour of work.

This is why access to education and worker retraining is so important. And from my view point there's only one candidate that's focused on access to education for all Americans.

[knickballer]

It's one thing for these multi-national corporations to pay the federal corporate tax rate (35%) and shift jobs overseas.

It's straight out robbery when these same corporations pay practically no taxes because loopholes in the tax laws and then shift all their jobs overseas. Corporations like Apple are notorious for doing this. They say they that they need the tax breaks to stay competitive and so they can keep their workforce in the US but they're not even doing that and these corporations are recording record profits. It's not about staying competitive, they're just optimizing their profits as much as possible to please the shareholders and as a result the top executives get their bonuses.

Lets see what happens to the local family owned business if he tries to do the same tax evasion. IRS will **** him an@lly but when Apple does it they're maintaining their "competitive advantage" and they're applauded for their strategy.

Not only that but whatever few jobs these corporations are keeping in the US they receive massive tax breaks and incentives to build their corporate offices because every state/city are fighting for what ever jobs they may provide. It's ****ing disgusting..

[knickballer]

At the end of the day, no one can truly compete with 2 dollars a day.

This is why we need more advanced jobs that you need college degree to do or long-term training on the job. Very tough to replicate that in China/Sri Lanka/India by some homeless kid barely able to feed himself. Let those basic jobs go overseas because we won't be able to keep those here. No way we can unless if you were to okay paying folks really cheap quarter per hour of work.

There's only so much "advanced" jobs in the market and even technology/automation are reducing the demand for them. Western Europe has the most educate population and there's a high unemployment rate among the newly graduated demographics and it's the same in the US too. Alot of underemployment with new grads(And not just the ones who majored in Art History)

Even the jobs that everyone says theirs a shortage of like in the IT field is a bit of an exaggeration. Many corporations do tricks so they can hand out visas to foreign workers in an attempt to drive down wages for that field(Something along those lines I forgot the exact details). They play some dirty tricks..

These corporations only care about profits. Their goal is to maximize shareholder value. The corporate social responsibility they spew is all BS and everyone knows that.

[NumberSix]

This displays the obvious reason why Trump, although an elite who is one of the richest people in the world, has the opposite point of view of the other elites.

He's in the construction business. If you want to build a new hotel or something in America, you build it in America. You can't build a hotel for cheap in China and then just ship it to America. The dude has no reason to be in league with the "let's move the jobs to the cheap labor countries" crowd. And unlike every other politician who's in their pocket, he doesn't need their money. He's the one candidate who's completely free of this special interest.

[Dresta]

Brutal? what dumbass:roll:


It's the free market, globalization, capitalism etc etc... those things right wings morons like yourself idolize.


Thanks for reinforcing how clueless you morons are.

Wrong. You can be "Right wing" and oppose all those things in the abstract. Conservatives like people being able to keep the fruits of their own industry, but the current neoliberal consensus is in no way conservative; it is actually rather radical, hence its designation as "liberal" (albeit with a prefix)

Thanks for thinking everyone who doesn't share your ridiculous opinions is a monolith that deserves to be incessantly ridiculed (the definition of bigotry and prejudice).

You've really exposed yourself now as a hateful bigot, who doesn't actually know anything about the things he hates and denigrates (like most bigots).

[Blue&Orange]

Wrong. You can be "Right wing" and oppose all those things in the abstract. Conservatives like people being able to keep the fruits of their own industry, but the current neoliberal consensus is in no way conservative; it is actually rather radical, hence its designation as "liberal" (albeit with a prefix)

Thanks for thinking everyone who doesn't share your ridiculous opinions is a monolith that deserves to be incessantly ridiculed (the definition of bigotry and prejudice).

You've really exposed yourself now as a hateful bigot, who doesn't actually know anything about the things he hates and denigrates (like most bigots).
Well you also can be right wing and be intelligent, just because something can be it doesn't mean it is. :lol

SO much pretentious gibberish and a reasoning of a 5 year old.

Please show me a right wing idiot that is against capitalism. I can gladly show you some protecting corporations and telling the pope to shut up.

I'm still waiting for your examples of government overextending and expenses cuts.


moron.

[NumberSix]

Well you also can be right wing and be intelligent, just because something can be it doesn't mean it is. :lol

SO much pretentious gibberish and a reasoning of a 5 year old.

Please show me a right wing idiot that is against capitalism. I can gladly show you some protecting corporations and telling the pope to shut up.

I'm still waiting for your examples of government overextending and expenses cuts.


moron.
What is "capitalism"?

[Dresta]

Well you also can be right wing and be intelligent, just because something can be it doesn't mean it is. :lol

SO much pretentious gibberish and a reasoning of a 5 year old.

Please show me a right wing idiot that is against capitalism. I can gladly show you some protecting corporations and telling the pope to shut up.

I'm still waiting for your examples of government overextending and expenses cuts.


moron.
You can find idiots under any name/label.

Your not thinking otherwise is why you're a case in point. Typical, dogmatic, fanatical moron.

[bladefd]

Dresta is like a rabid dog. Barks at everyone he doesn't like and chases everyone from house to house trying to get a bite of flesh. All that rage at the world for not feeding and providing love. Blue&Orange, you will need to get injections for the bite. God bless you. :(

[Duderonomy]

What was that guy thinking?
You're probably going to lose your job, but it will help us stay competitive going forward.


*high fives guys*


No one... anyone ...

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