Has Obama's time in office been a success?

[WayOfWade]

I just want your opinions on whether or not he finished his objectives and/or if he made America a better place in the process. Back in 2008, I was just 13 and really didn't care at all. In 2012 I was just too young to vote and was a hardcore Mitt Romney fan (even volunteered for the dude) without ever doing much research, so my judgement was at the very least clouded and in the end, I couldn't even vote so I just went with the flow here in Utah. I'd been out of the country for a good portion of Obama's second term so I kind of want to see if you guys think he did a good job or not, or what he did good and what he could've improved on.

[WayOfWade]

Ok, completely not what I asked for, my bad for trying to be more engaged in the political process now that I'm older and it applies to me a lot more

[KyrieTheFuture]

Are you conservative? Then the answer is no.
Are you liberal? Then the answer is yes.

[NumberSix]

It's been a massive success for ISIS.

[poido123]

Muslim migrants will think so.


Obama has successfully weakened America's morale and has successfully made other nations stronger in the process.


I can't believe he made a deal with Khomeini and his medieval government who once declared death to America.

Bu, bu, they want to be our friends now :rolleyes:

[jimmybball]

Improved laws for social justice issues, pulled many soldiers home from overseas, and improved the economy/job market. Huge success by those standards.

[NumberSix]

Improved laws for social justice issues
Like?

pulled many soldiers home from overseas
Thus creating an open door for ISIS.

improved the economy/job market.
What did Obama do that improved the economy?

[9erempiree]

I'm going to say no, it has not been a success and I will briefly give reasons:

- Benghazi
- Fast and Furious
- Undermining the constitution and America by using executive order
- Negotiating with terrorists by trading off top ISIS officials for one defected solider.
- Divided America with his opinion of police shootings and blacks. Could have been his son rhetoric.
- Failed to bring both parties together. We are more divided today than ever.
- Obamacare, depends on how you look at it.
- ISIS and the failure to curb or stop terrorism.
- Mistreatment of veterans
- Bringing in Syrian refugees in waves when the country is already concerned with terrorism.

These are what I can think of on the top of my head and I am sure there are more but I believe he has divided America. Our country is in worst shape in then in the last 25 years. Look what we had to see during his time in office....protests, riots, racism and the anti-white movement that is going around.

[DonDadda59]

History will be extremely positive about Barry O's legacy.

Righted the ship when our economic system (and the World system overall) was on the brink of collapse/depression, overhauled the health care system which was a battle being waged for decades (and the signature law will bear his name forever), greatly reduced our dependence on foreign oil while being at the forefront for battling climate change/coming up with cleaner renewable sources of energy, Normalized relations with a country we'd been at odds with since the beginning of the Cold War (Cuba) and favored diplomacy over warmongering (ie, the Iran Nuclear deal), and on social issues he'll be a champion for the LGBT community (legalization of same sex marriage, end of discrimination of Gays in the military, etc).

He'll also be viewed as the best political orator of his time. His speeches and delivery style will be studied, dissected, and copied by students and politicians decades and maybe even centuries from now.

[FKAri]

He was like Lebron in the 2015 finals.

[9erempiree]

Whether it is a success or not depends greatly on how people see his term in office and his policy.

One thing I do know for certain....people are comparing him to Jimmy Carter as the worst president in history than they are comparing him to better presidents of the past.

Just let that sink in.

[Akrazotile]

It doesnt matter. Crediting or blaming the President for our success as a nation is destructive. People complained about Bush, but life went on. People complain about Obama, but life goes on.

Technological advances, consumer habits, cultural values, attitude shifts... These are the things that impact our daily life more than the figurehead who delivere ghostwritten speeches and spends every other day welcoming the latest winning sports team to his house for a photo op.


If there are things we want changed, then WE have to change them. If there are things we want preserved, then we have to preserve them.

The problem is it's all but inevitable a large melting pot nation will be perpetually divided along a number of lines. Politicians will exploit and encourage that division, but frankly it's pretty unavoidable anyway.

A big obstacle we face is that people wont accept many of the realities of the human condition. And how easy it is for opportunists to take advantage of their naivete.


Such is life.

[brownmamba00]

yes much better than his republican precedor

[Lebron23]

One of the greatest presidents of all time.

[Micku]

He a'ight. He mostly achieved or compromise all of the promises he wanted to do based upon his campaign and stuff. Of course there are a lot of promises that he didn't keep, but he compromise and achieve most of the stuff that he said what he was going to do.

You can check that out here:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/

Depending on what you care about the most will probably determine on what you feel about the him.

Our GDP also have improved compared to it was in 2008 and 2009. Our GDP was -0.3 and -2.8 respectfully. In 2014 it's 2.4 and 2015 it's 2.4.
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth

Our unemployment rate was the highest it's been in decades under his administration for about a good 3-4 years I think. So, starting from 2010-2014, it's been like 9.4, 9.7, 9.0, and 8.2. In 2014 it was 6.2. In 2015 it's dropped below 5% at the last quarter.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/october-unemployment-rate-drops-5

You can also check out the stats of gdp, economics and other stuff here:
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator


I don't really know what other countries think of us or how we are doing foreign affairs. With ISIS tho, that is both of Bush and Obama's fault. However, you can argue that it started in the 80s with America's involvement of trying to fight communism. Unforeseen consequences here.

Anyway, Bush for going to Iraq in the first place and taking out Saddam was like origin story of the rise of ISIS. Since Bush took out Saddam and the Iraqi army disbanded, thousands of Sunni Iraqi soldiers were pissed and they combine with the a bunch of Jihadists to fight back. They were align with Al Qaeda they were known as Al Qaeda in Iraq. This is the Sunni vs Shia civil war in Iraq. The USA did a good job at keeping them at bay and taking out it's leader with Zarqawi.

However, under the Obama administration left Iraq. The American ppl were tired of it, and the Obama administration thought they were stable enough to handle crap on their own I guess. This allowed ISIS to grow tho.

Since Syria went into civil war, and the AQI turned into Islamic State of Iraq, lead by Abu Bakr al-Baghdai, this sparked another rise. He sends Jabhat Al Nusra to start another branch in Syria to fight amongst the rebels. ISI turned into ISIS after they got big enough in 2013, and Abu Bakr wanted take over all Al Qaeda allied force in Syria and Iraq. Jabhat Al Nusra disagreed with that and this turned into a Al Qaeda vs ISIS.

There's a lot of politics involved with ISIS. Countries would use ISIS in the middle east to keep other groups at bay like the Kurds in various countries, Syria with the rebels and Al-Qaeda, and sometimes spreading religion.

You can check out this video as a summary:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzmO6RWy1v8

[WayOfWade]

Improved laws for social justice issues, pulled many soldiers home from overseas, and improved the economy/job market. Huge success by those standards.
I like this response, he definitely did a good job there considering I'm pretty sure those were some of his goals to begin with.


Are you conservative? Then the answer is no.
Are you liberal? Then the answer is yes.
That's a pretty good basic answer, however I just kind of want to see what individual people think he did good or bad, both liberal and conservative so I can have a decent idea without going to majorly biased news websites.

[UK2K]

Nobody is better off now than they were 8 years ago. Nobody. Tout unemployment numbers all you want, but some of us aren't that dumb.

Except those who have healthcare now, only because others are paying their bills for them.

But since the country is still here in one piece, I'd say his presidency has been a failure.

Truthfully, he wasn't all bad. Gay marriage was cool and long overdue. Other than that though...

[BoutPractice]

Much too soon to tell...

One thing I might guess, though: history will be kind to him, for he will be the one writing it...

He's the sort of person who goes and writes books... and he's better at it than most past presidents, meaning his side of the story is more likely to be used as a source by future historians.

[Nanners]

i dont particularly think so.

a lot of his policies, things like the fisa amendment act and TPP, have huge potential to **** us over in the future.

[Akrazotile]

History will be extremely positive about Barry O's legacy.

Righted the ship when our economic system (and the World system overall) was on the brink of collapse/depression, overhauled the health care system which was a battle being waged for decades (and the signature law will bear his name forever), greatly reduced our dependence on foreign oil while being at the forefront for battling climate change/coming up with cleaner renewable sources of energy, Normalized relations with a country we'd been at odds with since the beginning of the Cold War (Cuba) and favored diplomacy over warmongering (ie, the Iran Nuclear deal), and on social issues he'll be a champion for the LGBT community (legalization of same sex marriage, end of discrimination of Gays in the military, etc).

He'll also be viewed as the best political orator of his time. His speeches and delivery style will be studied, dissected, and copied by students and politicians decades and maybe even centuries from now.

In your analysis, you've only offered the things you view as positive.

Any degree of criticism is conspicuously absent.

Are we supposed to consider you even remotely impartial? Or are you ok with us assuming you're just cheering for him with partisan motivations?

[poido123]

History will be extremely positive about Barry O's legacy.

Righted the ship when our economic system (and the World system overall) was on the brink of collapse/depression, overhauled the health care system which was a battle being waged for decades (and the signature law will bear his name forever), greatly reduced our dependence on foreign oil while being at the forefront for battling climate change/coming up with cleaner renewable sources of energy, Normalized relations with a country we'd been at odds with since the beginning of the Cold War (Cuba) and favored diplomacy over warmongering (ie, the Iran Nuclear deal), and on social issues he'll be a champion for the LGBT community (legalization of same sex marriage, end of discrimination of Gays in the military, etc).

He'll also be viewed as the best political orator of his time. His speeches and delivery style will be studied, dissected, and copied by students and politicians decades and maybe even centuries from now.



Why is everyone complaining about Obamacare then?


American's have watered down their identity thanks to that snake Obama

[knickballer]

I don't think there has been a president under such a microscope like Obama and someone who is hated by so many but yet loved by so many. He's a very polarizing figure.

But that being said I think many people are disappointed in him as he didn't do enough to fight the banks and the "establishment". He's kinda like Annakin Skywalker, he was the chosen one man... He was supposed to bring balance back and fight for the poor/middle class. He promised it!

But then there are people who hate Obama simply because his name is Barrack Hussein Obama. People thinking he's some sort of black panther or an islamist are just flat out ridiculous.

[bladefd]

It's been a massive success for ISIS.

Thanks to Bush and Cheney.

[9erempiree]

I don't think there has been a president under such a microscope like Obama and someone who is hated by so many but yet loved by so many. He's a very polarizing figure.

But that being said I think many people are disappointed in him as he didn't do enough to fight the banks and the "establishment". He's kinda like Annakin Skywalker, he was the chosen one man... He was supposed to bring balance back and fight for the poor/middle class. He promised it!

But then there are people who hate Obama simply because his name is Barrack Hussein Obama. People thinking he's some sort of black panther or an islamist are just flat out ridiculous.

He was indeed the chosen one but not for Americans.

I've said it before that Obama is a career politician and he was groomed for this position due to his personality.

[Bosnian Sajo]

Why are non-Americans giving their opinions? You don't see us judging your leaders :facepalm


Obama was the best president in my lifetime so far.

[senelcoolidge]

Obama was the outcome of lots of white guilt.
http://cdn.tradyouth.org/uploads/2014/05/so-sorry-white-guilt-300x219.jpg

And ignorant folk.

[DeuceWallaces]

Nobody is better off now than they were 8 years ago. Nobody. Tout unemployment numbers all you want, but some of us aren't that dumb.

Except those who have healthcare now, only because others are paying their bills for them.

But since the country is still here in one piece, I'd say his presidency has been a failure.

Truthfully, he wasn't all bad. Gay marriage was cool and long overdue. Other than that though...

:lol

[senelcoolidge]

Blacks are worse off after Obama. Obama doesn't give a fu#k about blacks, yet they would still vote him again and again. :facepalm

[FillJackson]

Nobody is better off now than they were 8 years ago. Nobody. Tout unemployment numbers all you want, but some of us aren't that dumb.
This is just nonsense. You have to will yourself to believe this.

This is just the perfect example of unwillingness to believe in facts.

The facts are we had a recession that we had a recession that started in
December of 2007 and lasted to June of 2009
http://data.bls.gov/generated_files/graphics/latest_numbers_CES0000000001_2006_2016_all_period_ M01_net_1mth.gif

Job Losses started in Febuary of 2008. In September 2008 Lehman Brothers went under and we had a full fledged financial crisis on our hands. A crisis that was global. By the end of September the credit markets had frozen (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/3109892/Credit-market-frozen-as-banks-refuse-to-lend.html)

The US started losing 400,000 jobs a month and as the explosion rippled out from Wall Street to Main Street, we had six months in a row where we lost about 700,000 jobs a month. That's over 4 million jobs in 6 months.

At the bottom in Feb 2010, we were down a total of 8.8 million jobs.

We not only have recovered those 9 million jobs, we have added another 4 million on top of it.

So yeah, I'll take 2016 every time.

[Patrick Chewing]

Blacks are worse off after Obama. Obama doesn't give a fu#k about blacks, yet they would still vote him again and again. :facepalm


And just because he is black.

[FillJackson]

I just want your opinions on whether or not he finished his objectives and/or if he made America a better place in the process. Back in 2008, I was just 13 and really didn't care at all. In 2012 I was just too young to vote and was a hardcore Mitt Romney fan (even volunteered for the dude) without ever doing much research, so my judgement was at the very least clouded and in the end, I couldn't even vote so I just went with the flow here in Utah. I'd been out of the country for a good portion of Obama's second term so I kind of want to see if you guys think he did a good job or not, or what he did good and what he could've improved on.
Obama's single biggest accomplishment was preventing another Great Depression. (http://www.cbpp.org/research/economy/the-financial-crisis-lessons-for-the-next-one)[QUOTE]Without the policy responses of late 2008 and early 2009, we estimate that:

The peak-to-trough decline in real gross domestic product (GDP), which was barely over 4%, would have been close to a stunning 14%;

The economy would have contracted for more than three years, more than twice as long as it did;

More than 17 million jobs would have been lost, about twice the actual number.

Unemployment would have peaked at just under 16%, rather than the actual 10%;

The budget deficit would have grown to more than 20 percent of GDP, about double its actual peak of 10 percent, topping off at $2.8 trillion in fiscal 2011.

Today

[jstern]

I see it as a huge success. Of course if you're a hardcore Republican you'll say no. But he get his agenda's done against all odds. I don't really get into political discussion.

[BoutPractice]

Why are non-Americans giving their opinions? You don't see us judging your leaders :facepalm


Obama was the best president in my lifetime so far.
When America stops causing worldwide depressions, invading other countries and having military bases everywhere in the world, non-Americans will stop judging America's leaders.

As things stand they are very directly affected by them...

(To be fair, it is true that America doesn't judge the rest of the world's leaders... it'd rather just forcibly remove them from office, more efficient that way)

This is true of Europe too: most Europeans have some kind of opinion about Merkel and Putin because their decisions have an impact far beyond their country's borders...

[Thorpesaurous]

His own claims were that he'd get out of the middle east, which he hasn't done, and institute public health care, which he has to a degree. I honestly can't believe he got as far as he did with Obamacare. And I do have some serious issues with how it's implemented, but there is way more foundation for it than I thought there would be. And I generally lean to the right, and am a small government guy (which eliminates most modern republicans), but even I have supported the notion of some public healthcare before Obama. I don't see enough evidence to support the claim that he had any great impact on the moderate at best turnaround of the economy.

Overall I'd say his two terms were marginally above average, with a chance to look better if Obamacare actually becomes a fully functioning means of healthcare and mitigates the craziness of the insurance companies over time.

[Dresta]

History will be extremely positive about Barry O's legacy.

Righted the ship when our economic system (and the World system overall) was on the brink of collapse/depression, overhauled the health care system which was a battle being waged for decades (and the signature law will bear his name forever), greatly reduced our dependence on foreign oil while being at the forefront for battling climate change/coming up with cleaner renewable sources of energy, Normalized relations with a country we'd been at odds with since the beginning of the Cold War (Cuba) and favored diplomacy over warmongering (ie, the Iran Nuclear deal), and on social issues he'll be a champion for the LGBT community (legalization of same sex marriage, end of discrimination of Gays in the military, etc).

He'll also be viewed as the best political orator of his time. His speeches and delivery style will be studied, dissected, and copied by students and politicians decades and maybe even centuries from now.


:roll: :roll: :roll:

Too much man: that almost made me choke on my food.

[Dresta]

Obama's single biggest accomplishment was preventing another Great Depression. (http://www.cbpp.org/research/economy/the-financial-crisis-lessons-for-the-next-one)

When the economy is going downhill as fast as it was in 2008 into 2009 you have to do something to reverse that negative momentum. And some of this credit goes back to the bailouts starting in 2008 before Obama which people just hated. But without government stepping in like that we were in for years more misery. If the Tea Party folks had gotten the policies they wanted this ugly recession would have been absolutely horrible.
:facepalm

Look at this parrot. You're just repeating completely unverifiable nonsense. Just because you and other Obama groupies claim something to be true does not make it so; having 6 years of 0% interest rates did not "prevent another Great Depression" it only delayed the inevitable, which will now be far more difficult to deal with when it comes (so, like all politicians, just kicking the can down the road until he's out of office and can blame it all on someone else).

It's amazing how you can just repeat such historical cliches like they're some kind of verifiable fact. You use words like "Great Depression" or "The Great Recession" like these are actual things, and not the abstractions of brain-sick economists, looking for the kind of buzzwords that rile up the plebs.

[ROCSteady]

History will be extremely positive about Barry O's legacy.

Righted the ship when our economic system (and the World system overall) was on the brink of collapse/depression, overhauled the health care system which was a battle being waged for decades (and the signature law will bear his name forever), greatly reduced our dependence on foreign oil while being at the forefront for battling climate change/coming up with cleaner renewable sources of energy, Normalized relations with a country we'd been at odds with since the beginning of the Cold War (Cuba) and favored diplomacy over warmongering (ie, the Iran Nuclear deal), and on social issues he'll be a champion for the LGBT community (legalization of same sex marriage, end of discrimination of Gays in the military, etc).

He'll also be viewed as the best political orator of his time. His speeches and delivery style will be studied, dissected, and copied by students and politicians decades and maybe even centuries from now.

I have no problem with your post except the bold.

Being formerly taught under Associated Press journalism standards even at a liberal university, ObamaCare is simply a colloquialism. It's not the formal name. It gets used by people in journalism sometimes (incorrectly by AP standards) but it will likely not be known as ObamaCare in any bona fide settings.

In the history books and educational tools for the future, 'Obamacare' will not be in print. It probably will only be used by those who casually discuss the Affordable Care Act from this generation of living down the line as it is not the legal name of the ACA.

[ThePhantomCreep]

:facepalm

Look at this parrot. You're just repeating completely unverifiable nonsense. Just because you and other Obama groupies claim something to be true does not make it so;having 6 years of 0% interest rates did not "prevent another Great Depression" it only delayed the inevitable, which will now be far more difficult to deal with when it comes (so, like all politicians, just kicking the can down the road until he's out of office and can blame it all on someone else).

It's amazing how you can just repeat such historical cliches like they're some kind of verifiable fact. You use words like "Great Depression" or "The Great Recession" like these are actual things, and not the abstractions of brain-sick economists, looking for the kind of buzzwords that rile up the plebs.

Care to elaborate on this stupidity? Are you saying severe economic downturns don't actually happen, economists are sorta kinda making them up? Dafuq is wrong with you?

You know Obama is doing a pretty good job when Kochbots are forced to make predictions that he'll eventually screw things up. Weak shit, dude.

[DonDadda59]

:roll: :roll: :roll:

Too much man: that almost made me choke on my food.

Scary. Hopefully you signed up for Obamacare.


Care to elaborate on this stupidity? Are you saying severe economic downturns don't actually happen, economists are sorta kinda making them up? Dafuq is wrong with you?

You know Obama is doing a pretty good job when Kochbots are forced to make predictions that he'll eventually screw things up. Weak shit, dude.

If you haven't figured it out by now, that fool is just Poido with a thesaurus. If you ever bother to skim through his long-winded, rambling walls of texts you'd see just how ridiculous of a human being he is.

[zoom17]

History will be extremely positive about Barry O's legacy.

Righted the ship when our economic system (and the World system overall) was on the brink of collapse/depression, overhauled the health care system which was a battle being waged for decades (and the signature law will bear his name forever), greatly reduced our dependence on foreign oil while being at the forefront for battling climate change/coming up with cleaner renewable sources of energy, Normalized relations with a country we'd been at odds with since the beginning of the Cold War (Cuba) and favored diplomacy over warmongering (ie, the Iran Nuclear deal), and on social issues he'll be a champion for the LGBT community (legalization of same sex marriage, end of discrimination of Gays in the military, etc).

He'll also be viewed as the best political orator of his time. His speeches and delivery style will be studied, dissected, and copied by students and politicians decades and maybe even centuries from now.

That's pushing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XuItt6iuMc

[DonDadda59]

That's pushing it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omHUsRTYFAU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4XuItt6iuMc

Every great speaker stumbles. You show me like 6 minutes of flubs, I can show you hours of some of the greatest oration in American political History.

Go ahead and name me a better political orator from the past 25 years or so.

[Jameerthefear]

Scary. Hopefully you signed up for Obamacare.



If you haven't figured it out by now, that fool is just Poido with a thesaurus. If you ever bother to skim through his long-winded, rambling walls of texts you'd see just how ridiculous of a human being he is.
it took people a long time to figure that out. i've been calling his ass out since like 2013.

[Dresta]

Care to elaborate on this stupidity? Are you saying severe economic downturns don't actually happen, economists are sorta kinda making them up? Dafuq is wrong with you?

You know Obama is doing a pretty good job when Kochbots are forced to make predictions that he'll eventually screw things up. Weak shit, dude.


Apperently you can't dislike Obama's economics without being a "Kochbot" now :rolleyes: -- again you show that you can't even read and understand my posts, so instead you throw back insults and straw men. First, Obama has already screwed up, it's just the consequences of his screwing up have not yet become manifest to large amounts of people--these things always take time, and you clowns are always myopically focused on the short term (like your political heroes). This recent tiny interest rate rise has not gone down too well in the markets, and at present US monetary policy is looking like a disaster (hell, negative interest rates, or even more qe, is on the horizon).

And I didn't question whether there were economic downturns (learn to read, seriously), i simply said that the language applied to describe such events is often crude and reductionist, and is now used to create alarmism (though the word depression when applied to the 1929 crash by Hoover, was meant to imply mild rather than severe--showing how malleable the expressions are).

The Great Depression was not "the Great Depression" until hindsight was applied, and the term was first used in that way by Truman. You can read about it here:

http://historynewsnetwork.org/article/61931

People who don't know any of this say things like "Obama stopped another Great Depression!!" (as opposed from a what? "Great Recession?" This shit is ridiculous).

Not to mention it was only 'the Great Depression" because of the foolish and reckless policies of FDR, who undeniably worsened the crisis (Britain recovered much faster by massively cutting spending and raising tariffs--Roosevelt actually ran on a platform claiming he'd reign in the reckless spending of Hoover, but did the complete opposite).

You obviously don't know any of this stuff, because you're historically ignorant.



Scary. Hopefully you signed up for Obamacare.



If you haven't figured it out by now, that fool is just Poido with a thesaurus. If you ever bother to skim through his long-winded, rambling walls of texts you'd see just how ridiculous of a human being he is.Again with the ad hominem, further proving you don't have anything else to argue with, well, except quoting massive blocks of inane text and applying a red highlighter for emphasis.

Not to forget your constant hero-worship of Obama, which is downright pathetic.

[DonDadda59]

Again with the ad hominem, further proving you don't have anything else to argue with, well, except quoting massive blocks of inane text and applying a red highlighter for emphasis.

Not to forget your constant hero-worship of Obama, which is downright pathetic.

You're mean. :(

[ThePhantomCreep]

[QUOTE]Apperently you can't dislike Obama's economics without being a "Kochbot" now :rolleyes: -- again you show that you can't even read and understand my posts, so instead you throw back insults and straw men.

Pot, meet Dresta. Your post was literally nothing more than insults and ad hominem attacks, minus that laughable prediction, of course.



First, Obama has already screwed up, it's just the consequences of his screwing up have not yet become manifest to large amounts of people--these things always take time, and you clowns are always myopically focused on the short term (like your political heroes). This recent tiny interest rate rise has not gone down too well in the markets, and at present US monetary policy is looking like a disaster (hell, negative interest rates, or even more qe, is on the horizon).

There's that prediction again. I really hope you're joking with these lame arguments, they could easily blow up in your face like the "Obamacare = jobs killer" prediction, which resulted in the best three-year stretch for job creation since the 90's. :lol

We'll assess the economic disaster if and when it arrives. China's economic woes and plunging oil prices (not to mention long-overdue market corrections) are big reasons for the shaky start, and the markets are still not at bear status just yet. The economy overall is vastly improved since the start of Obama's second term.


And I didn't question whether there were economic downturns (learn to read, seriously), i simply said that the language applied to describe such events is often crude and reductionistOMG, economists used simplified language for the layman to understand! Those sneaky devils! :rolleyes:



and is now used to create alarmism Not really. A recession is characterized by consecutive quarters of negative growth, there's nothing more to it than that. The Great Depression and Great Recession were unique in their severity and their cause (a financial collapse). Are economists not supposed to report this?


The Great Depression was not "the Great Depression" until hindsight was applied, and the term was first used in that way by Truman. You can read about it here:
Fail to see how this diminishes the severity of the economic downturn of the 30's. The data is all there, dude--it was an enormous economic calamity, by any measure. Call it the Happy Smily Party Recession if it makes you feel better.


People who don't know any of this say things like "Obama stopped another Great Depression!!" (as opposed from a what? "Great Recession?" [B]This shit is ridiculous). Only to dumbasses who whine about titles and fail to look at the data. Economists are in almost universal agreement that the Stimulus averted another Depression.


Not to mention it was only 'the Great Depression" because of the foolish and reckless policies of FDR, who undeniably worsened the crisis (Britain recovered much faster by massively cutting spending and raising tariffs--Roosevelt actually ran on a platform claiming he'd reign in the reckless spending of Hoover, but did the complete opposite).Now who's spouting unprovable nonsense!

"FDR prolonged the Depression" is a minority opinion generally thrown around by right-wing conservatives. Many of the theories have largely been debunked.