Ok. Let's talk about Obama.

[Akrazotile]

Even though my personal view is that the President's individual impact on daily life gets overstated, let's take a look at what has and hasn't happened on his watch, and why the Democratic base is so happy about it.


- He extended the Bush tax cuts during his term
In 2010 he signed a bill extending the Bush era tax cuts for another two years. Why? I thought the 99% hated Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy. If they were a bad idea, period, then why did Obama EXTEND them during his term?

- He continued waging foreign wars
75% of military fatalities in Afghanistan occurred under Obama. During the Bush years, liberals took to the streets to protest war. "Blood 4 Oil" they said. Bin Laden was just a boogieman. Terrorism was fear mongering. Yet Obama simply shifted our presence in the middle east from one country to another. He brings up terrorism constantly in his speeches. The replacement of AlQaeda with ISIS has occurred on his watch. It's all just more of the same.

- He increased domestic spying
Remember how vociferous the Democrats were in decrying Bush for blatant disregard of the Constitution? Obama continued to extend the major components of the Patriot Act. Of course, a few minor details expired in 2015, so of course, "With the passage of the USA Freedom Act on June 2, 2015 the expired parts were restored and renewed through 2019." Yeah, the Freedom Act. That's not nationalism, patriotism mongering. Obama wouldn't do that. Only Bush would. Right? Only Bush. Not Obama. Because, like, I dont wanna question my party leader or else, um, then the racist republicans mite win next time oh noes!!


- He ballooned the deficit

If I recall correctly, liberals on ISH and elsewhere were frequently linking to a webpage that had a running clock of the federal deficit. Well, it has done nothing but continue to skyrocket under Obama.

- He did not do anything to change whatever black people thought was unfair under Bush.

Remember George Bush doesn't care about black people? Well, interestingly the most radical black social movement since Black Panthers has risen up by the end of Obama's term. I thought Bush was the source of black peoples problems? If there were tangible things a President could do that Bush wasn't doing, what did Barry do about it? They still have the same old gripes. Same old situation. How come they're not blaming Barry directly the way they blamed Bush?



Now remember, these were the MAJOR gripes people had about President Bush

[Akrazotile]

Now let's look at why Democrats are satisfied with Obama's presidency:

- He changed his stance on gay marriage to be ok with it now.
Prez O used to not support gay marriage, when it was still unclear if that might be a political liability. But once he made it into the White House and continued to do all the things Democrats fumed about Bush over, it was obvious he needed to throw them a bone. So he began to back gay issues, for political reasons, and this assuaged his voting base enough to forget about the innocent lives lost in war, the raging deficit, gross domestic spying, and the wealth gap, etc. So that was cool.

- He instituted a federal healthcare mandate
He modeled his plan after a successful state plan, and usurped the right to regulate healthcare to the federal level. Why is this? If the Massachussets plan was so successful, why did we need to try and translate it awkwardly to the federal level? Because it's more federal control, of course. And it fools idiots into thinking Barry achieved something meaningful.

I remember once asking deucewallace why it would be better to try and run healthcare through a bureaucracy as big as the federal system rather than individual state systems, and he said "bc its a right for everry1!!!" And then PhantomClown cheered and said 'yesss!" (not kidding, this happened).

First of all, a right doesn't mean you HAVE to do something. I have the right to bear arms, doesnt mean that I HAVE to. If people in a given state don't want to align their healthcare system with those of another states or the federal government, they shouldnt have to. People should be more involved in their own state legislation if healthcare reform is that important to them. But again, this political charade gave Democrats a justification for "cheering for their guy" despite war, deficit, spying, wealth disparity. Anything to cling to the chance to tell someone "Democrats are better than teh stoopid republicans!" This charade was BUILT for the dummies like PhantomSheep who are only capable of cheerleading, and NOTHING else intelligent.

- Signed a vague and meaningless climate change accord

Which he then broadcast triumphantly to the masses as a success, and the sheep immediately trumpeted its merit apparently without looking at it. It does nothing specific. It basically says "We as a coalition of governments, really dont wanna see the climate change too much. So, we'll, like, try to not let it." And that's it. It does nothing tangible.

But still, a trivial win for Democrats, which is all Obama was able to give them throughout his term. Which was enough for them, as I'll explain in the next post.

[Akrazotile]

Basically he gave them a tiny fraction of the things they 'HOPED' would be 'CHANGED' but because this is politics and he's dealing with large groups of typical voters, he was able to exploit the fact that his supporters will not question him, because to do so would give leverage to 'the other side.'

People are sucked into the "Democrat or Republican" dichotomy and as a consequence, give cart blanche to the representatives from their party to do whatever, because "its still better than the other guy." Obama was able to magnificently make political maneuvers with this, and as a thanks for his sheep's unwavering support, gave them a few trinkets of policy to go and brag about on the internet with to their republican adversaries.

So Obama basically threw some stale crumbs at his cheering herds, and they acted like it was a grand feast, while keeping the corner of their eye on Republicans to see if they were totally getting jealous and angry.

And Democrats were satisfied with this. They feel this made their country better. Why? Because it made them FEEL better. And really, that's... actually all they care about.

[nathanjizzle]

:facepalm

[Akrazotile]

:facepalm


Thanks for the bump, homie.

[nathanjizzle]

Thanks for the bump, homie.

a bump after 10 minutes from the last post? you are a fool.

[Akrazotile]

a bump after 10 minutes from the last post? you are a fool.


Thanks for the bump, homie.

We know the left wing frauds on this site won't respond to it, because there's no response to give other than to admit complete hypocrisy, and they won't do that, but at least we can make sure they're aware that others see right through their phony, selfish political 'beliefs.'

I appreciate your assistance, jizzface :cheers:

[nathanjizzle]

bafoonery.

[Akrazotile]

bafoonery.


How've you been bro?

You've been fairly quiet on this alt lately.

Everything ok?

[Patrick Chewing]

He released violent prisoners from Guantanamo.

He removed forces from Iraq which gave birth to ISIS.

He struck a nuclear deal with Iran without the deal including the release of American hostages.

[Jameerthefear]

Didn't read lol

[DonDadda59]

- He extended the Bush tax cuts during his term
In 2010 he signed a bill extending the Bush era tax cuts for another two years. Why? I thought the 99% hated Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy. If they were a bad idea, period, then why did Obama EXTEND them during his term?

It's called 'compromise'. Obama tried to get rid of many of the Bush era tax cuts but was stymied by Congress (a hallmark of his tenure) and many of the provisions are locked into U.S. law. In 2010, the Democrats drafted a bill that would end the tax cuts for anyone who earned more than $250K, that passed the House but failed in the Senate. They tried again with $1 million being the new cut off. Same result.

But the top tax bracket today pays more taxes across the board now than they did before Bush became president. The Fiscal Cliff Deal of 2013 has raised tax rates by over 6% for top earners. Obamacare imposed a 3.8% Medicare tax on investment income.

Obama's 2016 plan calls for a hike on Capital gains. The proposal is 24.2%, a steep raise from the Bush era rate of 15%.



- He continued waging foreign wars
75% of military fatalities in Afghanistan occurred under Obama. During the Bush years, liberals took to the streets to protest war. "Blood 4 Oil" they said. Bin Laden was just a boogieman. Terrorism was fear mongering. Yet Obama simply shifted our presence in the middle east from one country to another. He brings up terrorism constantly in his speeches. The replacement of AlQaeda with ISIS has occurred on his watch. It's all just more of the same.

At the height of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, there were over 270,000 American troops in those countries. Today there are less than 10,000. And the war against ISIS is being waged by Muslim/Yazidi/etc troops on the ground with American support. There's only a handful of U.S. troops involved in the conflict, mostly in advisary/training roles.

Obama has favored diplomacy and sanctions as opposed to mindlessly dropping bombs on Middle Eastern caves and mountainsides. As a result we've blocked Iran's atomic ambitions and hurt Putin economically following his Crimean excursions.


- He increased domestic spying
Remember how vociferous the Democrats were in decrying Bush for blatant disregard of the Constitution? Obama continued to extend the major components of the Patriot Act. Of course, a few minor details expired in 2015, so of course, "With the passage of the USA Freedom Act on June 2, 2015 the expired parts were restored and renewed through 2019." Yeah, the Freedom Act. That's not nationalism, patriotism mongering. Obama wouldn't do that. Only Bush would. Right? Only Bush. Not Obama. Because, like, I dont wanna question my party leader or else, um, then the racist republicans mite win next time oh noes!!

Obama has faced plenty of criticism for the spying and drone programs. So I don't see what you're complaining about here.


- He ballooned the deficit

If I recall correctly, liberals on ISH and elsewhere were frequently linking to a webpage that had a running clock of the federal deficit. Well, it has done nothing but continue to skyrocket under Obama.

:biggums:

Obama Claims Deficit Has Decreased by Two Thirds (January 2015) (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jan/20/barack-obama/barack-obama-claims-deficit-has-decreased-two-thir/)

Nation's Deficit Falls to Lowest Level Since Obama Took Office (Dec. 2014) (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/10/15/nations-budget-deficit-falls-to-lowest-level-since-obama-took-office/)

Deficit Shrinks by $1 trillion in Obama Era (Oct. 2015) (http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/deficit-shrinks-1-trillion-obama-era)

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/M56XxaI6M8fxXcC3SvCJOgWkYVE-lGUOQG_8kyAEiEJPM5553ytFTB2zdw1wBQuwIpjHUrQBMQmfur nTZxUCtjtvl4vmqc4f7WoUvHfyQDZxA5013B-cdXegnyJrNSWtTA


- He did not do anything to change whatever black people thought was unfair under Bush.

Remember George Bush doesn't care about black people? Well, interestingly the most radical black social movement since Black Panthers has risen up by the end of Obama's term. I thought Bush was the source of black peoples problems? If there were tangible things a President could do that Bush wasn't doing, what did Barry do about it? They still have the same old gripes. Same old situation. How come they're not blaming Barry directly the way they blamed Bush?

According to who, Kanye West? :yaohappy:



Now remember, these were the MAJOR gripes people had about President Bush

And Fox News and their viewers claim Obama is the worst President ever. :lol

[DonDadda59]

- He changed his stance on gay marriage to be ok with it now.
Prez O used to not support gay marriage, when it was still unclear if that might be a political liability. But once he made it into the White House and continued to do all the things Democrats fumed about Bush over, it was obvious he needed to throw them a bone. So he began to back gay issues, for political reasons, and this assuaged his voting base enough to forget about the innocent lives lost in war, the raging deficit, gross domestic spying, and the wealth gap, etc. So that was cool.

He changed his mind... And?


- He instituted a federal healthcare mandate
He modeled his plan after a successful state plan, and usurped the right to regulate healthcare to the federal level. Why is this? If the Massachussets plan was so successful, why did we need to try and translate it awkwardly to the federal level? Because it's more federal control, of course. And it fools idiots into thinking Barry achieved something meaningful.

I remember once asking deucewallace why it would be better to try and run healthcare through a bureaucracy as big as the federal system rather than individual state systems, and he said "bc its a right for everry1!!!" And then PhantomClown cheered and said 'yesss!" (not kidding, this happened).

First of all, a right doesn't mean you HAVE to do something. I have the right to bear arms, doesnt mean that I HAVE to. If people in a given state don't want to align their healthcare system with those of another states or the federal government, they shouldnt have to. People should be more involved in their own state legislation if healthcare reform is that important to them. But again, this political charade gave Democrats a justification for "cheering for their guy" despite war, deficit, spying, wealth disparity. Anything to cling to the chance to tell someone "Democrats are better than teh stoopid republicans!" This charade was BUILT for the dummies like PhantomSheep who are only capable of cheerleading, and NOTHING else intelligent.

Everyone, on all parts of the political spectrum, had been in agreement that the Healthcare system was unsustainable and needed drastic reform. Obama made that reform a reality and realized an effort to overhaul the system that stretched back to at least the 50s.

As a result, about 18 million more people have health coverage (We're still waiting on the #s from the most recent enrollment period), pre-existing conditions are no longer a barrier to attaining insurance, etc. And the Republicans in Congress, State leaders, etc have launched dozens of political challenges and law suits that have reached as high as the Supreme Court. It's still the law of the land.


- Signed a vague and meaningless climate change accord

Which he then broadcast triumphantly to the masses as a success, and the sheep immediately trumpeted its merit apparently without looking at it. It does nothing specific. It basically says "We as a coalition of governments, really dont wanna see the climate change too much. So, we'll, like, try to not let it." And that's it. It does nothing tangible.

But still, a trivial win for Democrats, which is all Obama was able to give them throughout his term. Which was enough for them, as I'll explain in the next post.

What makes you think it is meaningless? Have you even looked into the particulars?

Key Points of the Climate Deal (http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/climate/2015-paris-climate-talks/key-points-of-the-final-paris-climate-draft)

Obama was at the forefront of the initiative, which led to nearly 190 countries reaching an accord. When was the last time a sitting President's leadership led to anything this comprehensive and far-reaching on the World Stage? :confusedshrug:

[Akrazotile]

At the height of the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, there were over 270,000 American troops in those countries. Today there are less than 10,000. And the war against ISIS is being waged by Muslim/Yazidi/etc troops on the ground with American support. There's only a handful of U.S. troops involved in the conflict, mostly in advisary/training roles.

Obama has favored diplomacy and sanctions as opposed to mindlessly dropping bombs on Middle Eastern caves and mountainsides. As a result we've blocked Iran's atomic ambitions and hurt Putin economically following his Crimean excursions.



^ Let's tackle this one first:


Washington (CNN) Dec 7 2015- The U.S. Air Force has fired off more than 20,000 missiles and bombs since the U.S. bombing campaign against ISIS began 15 months ago, according to the Air Force, leading to depleted munitions stockpiles and calls to ramp up funding and weapons production.

As the U.S. ramps up its campaign against the Islamist terror group in Iraq and Syria, the Air Force is now "expending munitions faster than we can replenish them," Air Force chief of staff Gen. Mark Welsh said in a statement.

"B-1s have dropped bombs in record numbers. F-15Es are in the fight because they are able to employ a wide range of weapons and do so with great flexibility. We need the funding in place to ensure we're prepared for the long fight," Welsh said in the statement. "This is a critical need."


http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/politics/air-force-20000-bombs-missiles-isis/


Obama has been literally the definition of dropping bombs.

[Akrazotile]

So does the left support war, or not support war?

When Bush was in office, the left wasn't providing lots of qualifiers about varying scenarios.

It was "NO WAR. BUSH IS A WARMONGER. BLOOD 4 OIL. WAR IS NEVER THE ANSWER" etc.

Are Obama's record number of bombings for oil or no? Is he a warmonger or no?

75% of the Americans killed in Afghanistan lost their lives during Obama's terms.

I just want clarification on whether the left here is WITH war or if they're AGAINST war.

Because under Bush they were vehemently AGAINST war. But under Obama, it doesn't seem to be such a concern for them.

[DonDadda59]

^ Let's tackle this one first:




http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/04/politics/air-force-20000-bombs-missiles-isis/


Obama has been literally the definition of dropping bombs.

There were 24,000 bombs dropped on Afghanistan alone in the first year of the war... to go along with 100,000 troops being thrown into the fire with no real strategy or plan.

The U.S. airstrikes have been targeting ISIS economic infrastructure and providing support for our Muslim/Yazidi/etc allies who are doing the ground work. As a result in 2015 ISIS lost 40% of their territory in Iraq and cut their fighters' salary in half.

This isn't like the Afghanistan war where we literally carried out missions bombing the hell out of caves thinking Bin Laden was there... Only for us to find out he was hiding out in a mansion in Pakistan the whole time. :facepalm

[Akrazotile]

There were 24,000 bombs dropped on Afghanistan alone in the first year of the war... to go along with 100,000 troops being thrown into the fire with no real strategy or plan.

The U.S. airstrikes have been targeting ISIS economic infrastructure and providing support for our Muslim/Yazidi/etc allies who are doing the ground work. As a result in 2015 ISIS lost 40% of their territory in Iraq and cut their fighters' salary in half.

This isn't like the Afghanistan war where we literally carried out missions bombing the hell out of caves thinking Bin Laden was there... Only for us to find out he was hiding out in a mansion in Pakistan the whole time. :facepalm

Well coalition deaths in Afghanistan spiked under Obama.

http://s2.postimg.org/4iqgvm9k9/1280px_Coalition_military_casualties_in_afghanis.p ng


So when Bush went in there it was the wrong place, but under Obama...?

[Akrazotile]

There were 24,000 bombs dropped on Afghanistan alone in the first year of the war... to go along with 100,000 troops being thrown into the fire with no real strategy or plan.

The U.S. airstrikes have been targeting ISIS economic infrastructure and providing support for our Muslim/Yazidi/etc allies who are doing the ground work. As a result in 2015 ISIS lost 40% of their territory in Iraq and cut their fighters' salary in half.

This isn't like the Afghanistan war where we literally carried out missions bombing the hell out of caves thinking Bin Laden was there... Only for us to find out he was hiding out in a mansion in Pakistan the whole time. :facepalm

Also, do we agree that raining bombs and missiles by both Presidents was perhaps a way to 'justifiably' pump some money into defense manufacturing companies?

That article I posted about Obama's record bomb droppings was basically the Air Force using that fact to call for more funding. Are all those bombs really necessary? Or is it maybe just a cunning way to help out some lobbyists with taxpayer revenue?

[DonDadda59]

So does the left support war, or not support war?

Why don't you conduct a survey and find out? :confusedshrug:


When Bush was in office, the left wasn't providing lots of qualifiers about varying scenarios.

Yeah, except for when people were asking for proof of the WMDs that we were going to war over.


It was "NO WAR. BUSH IS A WARMONGER. BLOOD 4 OIL. WAR IS NEVER THE ANSWER" etc.

Are Obama's record number of bombings for oil or no? Is he a warmonger or no?

Not at all. Under Obama the U.S. has cut down its foreign oil dependence drastically (https://kydemocrat.com/talking-point/president-obama-has-helped-reduce-our-dependence-foreign-oil-20-year-low-romney-and). We are actually now the #1 producer of oil in the World (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jan/21/barack-obama/obama-america-no-1-producer-oil-gas/). That's been one of the main driving factors behind the plummeting oil prices Worldwide.


75% of the Americans killed in Afghanistan lost their lives during Obama's terms.

The Afghanistan and Iraq wars were inherited by Obama. He didn't start them. But again, at the height of those wars there were 270,000+ U.S. troops on the ground... Now there are less than 10,000. In the conflict against ISIS, there are virtually no American troops involved in the conflict.


I just want clarification on whether the left here is WITH war or if they're AGAINST war.

What wars has Obama started?

[Patrick Chewing]

What wars has Obama started?


The ISH wars 2008-Present

[poido123]

And now Russia says the West are rekindling hostilities again.


Nice work Obama, you are really doing a good job of pushing the world into a world war. But I already knew this c.nt was a shady muslim from the beginning. :hammerhead: