"Steph Curry Is Just A Shooter"-Barkely

[Akhenaten]

Now anyone with any sense knows Barkley is not a bright person and none of his opinions are to be taken seriously, he is comic relief, the lovable drunk uncle. Still this is more than just proffering another tone def opinion, this is some SUCKA shit Barkley is on, just plain DISRESPECTFUL and ENVIOUS.

PHUCK BARKLEY! on everything he a hoe, goofy azz SNAQ too

http://news.yahoo.com/steph-curry-just-shooter-charles-134059657.html

DIME: We saw in the early 2000s with Shaquille O

[K Xerxes]

It's not an insult. Yes he's good at playmaking but he's not great at it ala magic, nash, paul. He's not a greay defender either. But he is a great shooter, the best ever in fact, which makes the game so much easier for his team. It is possibly the best single attribute to have - the ability to score from anywhere on the floor, creating so much space for you and your team mates to get high percentage shots.

Shaq was a different animal. He destroyed teams in the high percentage area. Both make the other team feel completelt helpless which is extremely rare. Though 00 shaq was more devastating easily, lets wait and see stephs rest of the season.

[yobore]

When you are so much better than everyone at the most important part of the game, the rest doesn't matter. Curry is great at getting open enough to get shots off and making them. Until someone figures out how to stop that he'll be the best.

[JohnFreeman]

Comparing Shaq and Curry da ***

[sd3035]

Curry already has more rings than Barkley :lol

[Bankaii]

He's not an incredible player. Good, yes. Incredible for a PG, hell no.

When his 3 isn't falling dude is completely lost. He's already a weakness on defense and as a PG he's a turnover machine to say his assists aren't that high.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Chuck is a cancer so...:confusedshrug:

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

He's not an incredible player. Good, yes. Incredible for a PG, hell no.

When his 3 isn't falling dude is completely lost. He's already a weakness on defense and as a PG he's a turnover machine to say his assists aren't that high.

Stfu u fakkit. When Lebrons Stiff arm and Traveling isn't working what does he have?:lol :lol

[AngelEyes]

Curry already has more rings than Barkley :lol

And? Who give a shit? Having no rings doesn't completely erase the greatness Barkley exhibited. People get carried away with the ring shit.

[Bankaii]

Stfu u fakkit. When Lebrons Stiff arm and Traveling isn't working what does he have?:lol :lol
Why do you have a girl alt? You're seriously pathetic.

He's still a better playmaker, defender, and passer than Steph.

Anything else?

[InsanityKills]

Charles>>>>Curry*




*F@got who needs a stacked team to win.

[DMAVS41]

Sounds like the same ignorant crap people still say about Dirk being just a great shooter.

The **** Curry is just a great shooter. His ball handling, ability to cut, quickness, split traps and doubles, finish around the rim on floaters and layups...etc....all are elite or near elite levels.

He's also turned into a solid defensive player and rebounds the ball well for a guard of his size.

People are so bitter about transcendent offensive players that shatter the mold.

[!@#$%Vectors!@#]

Why do you have a girl alt? You're seriously pathetic.

He's still a better playmaker, defender, and passer than Steph.

Anything else?

Passer as in Passing out at the end of the shotclock to protect his fg%?:oldlol:

[DonDraper]

Curry already has more rings than Barkley :lol

Same FMVP votes though


noone cares about role-player rings

[HenryGarfunkle]

He's not an incredible player. Good, yes. Incredible for a PG, hell no.

When his 3 isn't falling dude is completely lost. He's already a weakness on defense and as a PG he's a turnover machine to say his assists aren't that high.
Exactly. As far as PG's go, he's pretty average at ball handling, passing, and decision making. Not to mention he's ****ing terrible as a leader. Did you see his body language early in the finals last year? He looked completely useless, and was moping around like an entitled little girl who just got told no for the first time in life.

Great shooter, average everywhere else on offense. Defensively he just sucks. End of story.

[Bankaii]

Passer as in Passing out at the end of the shotclock to protect his fg%?:oldlol:
Get a life warriorsfan.

[JT123]

Same FMVP votes though


noone cares about role-player rings
Very true. This is why experts don't consider Kobe to be a top 10 player, and he will likely be out of the top 15 in five years once Durant and Curry surpass him.

[Kobe_6/8]

:roll: what do you expect Chuck to say? He lived in the paint, and Curry lives on the perimeter. It is completely different animals.

Seeing Shaq in the paint was intimidating as ****. His dominance was inevitable because most of it was based on raw athleticism and size.

Curry does not have inevitable dominance. He can be exposed as a 1-way system player.

[Akhenaten]

It's not an insult.

It's absolutely an insult, if an ATG from the 60's or 70's were asked about Barkley and they responded "he's JUST a great athlete" you think Charles wouldnt take offense to that?

cmon man, smarten up, him emphasizing JUST aint by accident it's meant to demean and discount

this fat pos basically said the soon to be 2 time MVP, NBA champ and leader of a historic team would be Dana Barros or Steve Kerr in his era.

F Barkley and his Gary Busey in a wig looking wife

[72-10]

Saying that a basketball player is just a shooter is akin to saying that a baseball player is just a slugger. It's still rather important.

[72-10]

Very true. This is why experts don't consider Kobe to be a top 10 player, and he will likely be out of the top 15 in five years once Durant and Curry surpass him.

You act as though the three rings Shaq led them to count for nothing for Kobe. He still helped (err, kind of) despite being an inefficient ballhog playing next to the most dominant player of the generation (SHAQ) and demanding the ball as much as Shaq.

[Akhenaten]

Exactly. As far as PG's go, he's pretty average at ball handling, passing, and decision making. Not to mention he's ****ing terrible as a leader.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v300/Haskel45/al_bundy_gtfo_gif.gif

[Bosnian Sajo]

Comparing Shaq and Curry da ***

Based on dominance, nothing else. Basically, how Shaq was seen as unstoppable until the rule changes, same thing with Curry.






I'm surprised to see Charles hating on chef, is he blind? How is Steph not a great playmaker? :confusedshrug:

[Vragrant]

Based on dominance, nothing else. Basically, how Shaq was seen as unstoppable until the rule changes, same thing with Curry.






I'm surprised to see Charles hating on chef, is he blind? How is Steph not a great playmaker? :confusedshrug:

Once a young player in his prime wins a ring, he becomes Barkelys' whipping boy. Same thing happened to D Wade.

[JohnFreeman]

Once a young player in his prime wins a ring, he becomes Barkelys' whipping boy. Same thing happened to D Wade.
What did he say about Wade?

[AintNoSunshine]

He's not wrong, doesn't Dray lead their offense? hence averages most assist? Curry benefits from all the great pieces around him who all could drive/shoot/pass. Best cast ever.

[Heavincent]

He's not wrong, doesn't Dray lead their offense? hence averages most assist? Curry benefits from all the great pieces around him who all could drive/shoot/pass. Best cast ever.

No. Curry gets trapped, then passes to Green who gets to play 4 on 3. That's how Green gets most of his assists. Everything starts with the defensive attention Curry draws.

People need to stop looking only at assist totals. Watch the games.

[tpols]

Sounds like the same ignorant crap people still say about Dirk being just a great shooter.

The **** Curry is just a great shooter. His ball handling, ability to cut, quickness, split traps and doubles, finish around the rim on floaters and layups...etc....all are elite or near elite levels.

He's also turned into a solid defensive player and rebounds the ball well for a guard of his size.

People are so bitter about transcendent offensive players that shatter the mold.

they cant comprehend skill or iq advantages.. everything is about the physical, shaq, barkley.. theyre enamored with the athleticism, and blinded to other facets.

[Straight_Ballin]

Barkley has no rings and will always be known as MJ's b1tch boy. He's there for entertainment with his laughable logic. Nothing more.

[navy]

No. Curry gets trapped, then passes to Green who gets to play 4 on 3. That's how Green gets most of his assists. Everything starts with the defensive attention Curry draws.

People need to stop looking only at assist totals. Watch the games.
This. But Green is also a good passer in his own right.

[AirFederer]

Him and Dirk are so good shooters that the old farts can`t see their game beyond that dimension. Chuck is beyond retarded here.

[masonanddixon]

I don't understand why people have to hate on Curry. He has perfect shooting mechanics, perfect footwork, plays angles perfectly. And he's a good dude.

It's not like he's a guy like Lebron who basically is only in the NBA because of his natural gifts and has almost no actual skill.

[theaussieguy]

Exactly. As far as PG's go, he's pretty average at ball handling, passing, and decision making. Not to mention he's ****ing terrible as a leader. Did you see his body language early in the finals last year? He looked completely useless, and was moping around like an entitled little girl who just got told no for the first time in life.

Great shooter, average everywhere else on offense. Defensively he just sucks. End of story.

LMAO, nikka u dumb as fukkk

[brain drain]

Him and Dirk are so good shooters that the old farts can`t see their game beyond that dimension. Chuck is beyond retarded here.

I'd say that's about right. When you hear guys like Barkley and Kareem talk about guys like Dirk and Curry, it seems that they completely don't understand things like the spacing that those guys provide, which makes life much easier for their teammates.

It doesn't show up in the stat sheet, and maybe that's why they don't get it, but Draymond Green for example makes a living exploiting 4-on-3 situations created by the way defenses react to Curry. Those kind of plays show up as an assist for Dray and points for someone else, but the play wouldn't have happened that way without the defense overloading on Curry first.

Which brings me back to Barkley. He's just a talker, not really a great commentator.

[pauk]

But he is correct.... :confusedshrug:

However, he is the greatest ever at it... but when his shot aint falling he cant dominate any other way like other greats (those dudes in & around top 10 for example)... he aint as great as you think slashing or bulldozing or posting up entire game and still dominate equally well, he aint a great rebounder or a defender or even a great playmaker, good, but not great, i mean you wont see him go out there piling up abundance of assists at a high clip like a great playmaking traditional PG would....

When that happens tho, he can get away with it due to Dray & Klay / the team he has around him.... many times he doesnt shoot well and they win, even win championship with him having 0 FMVP votes.... so no problem for him...

[AirFederer]

But he is correct.... :confusedshrug:

However, he is the greatest ever at it... but when his shot aint falling he cant dominate any other way like other greats (those dudes in & around top 10 for example)... he aint as great as you think slashing or bulldozing or posting up entire game and still dominate equally well, he aint a great rebounder or a defender or even a great playmaker, good, but not great, i mean you wont see him go out there piling up abundance of assists at a high clip like a great playmaking traditional PG would....

When that happens tho, he can get away with it due to Dray & Klay / the team he has around him.... many times he doesnt shoot well and they win, even win championship with him having 0 FMVP votes.... so no problem for him...
The substance of this post is equal to Wilt in G7. Not to be seen.

[plowking]

He is the best passer in the league too. And probably the best or second best ball handler.

[SexSymbol]

Curry is easily the best player past two years.
If he can do that being "just a shooter" than the rest of the world should be very afraid this man doesn't learn to do anything else

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

But he is correct.... :confusedshrug:

However, he is the greatest ever at it... but when his shot aint falling he cant dominate any other way like other greats (those dudes in & around top 10 for example)... he aint as great as you think slashing or bulldozing or posting up entire game and still dominate equally well

when you take away the greatest strength of any player, it becomes monumentally more difficult for them to dominate the game. Take away LeBrons finishing ability and that has an immeasurable impact on the rest of his game and how other teams defend him.

However, Curry is clearly more than just a great long range shooter. This year he's averaging 57.4% from 2....incidentally, a higher % than LeBron. Actually, he's excellent from every single spot on the floor -- 0-3 ft, 3-10 ft, 10-16, 16-23 and (of course) 23+. Every single spot, for his entire career and in particular the past 3 years.

He can finish, cut, play without the ball, is fantastic in transition and has the best handles in the league.

Now, how has he done this year when his "shot (I assume you mean his long range shot) isn't falling" ? Well, he's had 7 games this year where he's made less than three 3pointers... in those 7 games his ORTG was 114 and his TS was 58%


he aint a great rebounder or a defender or even a great playmaker, good, but not great, i mean you wont see him go out there piling up abundance of assists at a high clip like a great playmaking traditional PG would....


This is confusing. He's . . . not a great rebounder? Compared to who? Because later in this paragraph you compare his playmaking to other point guards, so I presume the same standard would be applied for rebounding.

Firstly, he rebounds excellently for a point guard. He always has, but the last 3 years he's averaged 5.6, 6.3 and 7.6 rebounds per48. The average point guard in that same span of time has averaged 4.6.

As for his assist totals, well, colour me shocked that a shoot-first point guard has assumed a different role than he would have if he didn't have the greatest shooting ability in the history of the league. You realize that Steph ISNT a traditional point guard, right?

Even so, his assist totals have always been well above average and anybody who watches the Warriors can see that he has fantastic court vision. The past 3 years he's notched 10.6 assists/48, compared to 9.2 for an average point guard. In the two years that preceded this one it was at 11.3/48. That's terrific for a shoot-first PG. Obviously this year he's even more trigger-happy than ever, but that's because the Warriors are one of the best passing teams of the past 20 years. They have several guys that can quarterback the offense.

So, I think the more prudent thing to wonder is, if Curry wasn't the greatest shooter of all time (lol), would he be a greater playmaker than he already is? I don't see why not. From 2013-2015 he put up 8.3 assists a game for crying out loud, despite still being (although not as much as now) shoot-first. He would do great.


When that happens tho, he can get away with it due to Dray & Klay / the team he has around him.... many times he doesnt shoot well and they win, even win championship with him having 0 FMVP votes.... so no problem for him...

They're 114-16 when he's in the lineup and 1-3 when he's out of the lineup the past few years. He's the most impactful player this year, by huge margins, by every conceivable metric -- PER, RPM, BPM, Win Shares, on-off rating, and has the second highest ORTG in the league, the highest ts% despite being a volume shooter. That's just for the folks that are analytically inclined.

For the people that value the "eye test", his impact on the offensive end is described as being absolutely enormous. His range is so prolific that it essentially doesn't matter if his shots not falling -- he's still a net-positive because the mere threat of him shooting is enough for an entire defense to focus the brunt of their resources and attention on him, freeing up everybody else.

You think Green, Iggy and Barnes are naturally 40% three point shooters? Because the three of them combined are shooting roughly 40% this year from three. Remove Curry and Thompson and they're STILL shooting over 40% as a team.

I would liken it to the LeBron effect, when LBJ drives to the hoop and the entire defense collapses on him, leaving several guys open -- only with Steph it's almost every time he's even near the perimeter.


I hope the people trying to downplay Curry's impact start getting taken to task for their myopic views. He's been the best player in the league the past two years, on the best team, playing a game that is both fan-friendly and validated by a litany of statistics. Barkley is so wrong it's cringeworthy.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Another thing that confounds me is how people seriously try to demean his accomplishments by attributing it to the system he is in. For one thing, every great player's game is augmented by a great system, but Curry has so many transferable skills that would serve as a focal point in any system.

He's shooting 50+% from 28+ feet this year, and is shooting better when his shots are heavily contested than most of the efficient scorers in the league are overall. How the heck does his team play a role in that? Is his team also responsible for his ungodly handles, court vision, rebounding (yes, he rebounds very well for a PG), and historically great free-throw shooting?

But no Curry haters, go on about how Curry wouldn't be all-NBA on any other team.

[stalkerforlife]

Click bait.

No one is this stupid.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

I'd say that's about right. When you hear guys like Barkley and Kareem talk about guys like Dirk and Curry, it seems that they completely don't understand things like the spacing that those guys provide, which makes life much easier for their teammates.

It doesn't show up in the stat sheet, and maybe that's why they don't get it, but Draymond Green for example makes a living exploiting 4-on-3 situations created by the way defenses react to Curry. Those kind of plays show up as an assist for Dray and points for someone else, but the play wouldn't have happened that way without the defense overloading on Curry first.

Which brings me back to Barkley. He's just a talker, not really a great commentator.

This guy makes sense.

[AintNoSunshine]

No. Curry gets trapped, then passes to Green who gets to play 4 on 3. That's how Green gets most of his assists. Everything starts with the defensive attention Curry draws.

People need to stop looking only at assist totals. Watch the games.
Doesn't contradict with what I said. He gets trapped because he has unlimited range and accuracy. But if he is an elite playmaker he would average way more assists as the point guard.

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

Doesn't contradict with what I said. He gets trapped because he has unlimited range and accuracy. But if he is an elite playmaker he would average way more assists as the point guard.

How about the last two years before this one when he was 5th and 6th in the league in assists per game?

Last year he was 6th, and of the 5 ahead of him 3 took way fewer shots per game. Rounding out the rest of the top 10, you had 3 other players that averaged less assists AND less shots/points, and LeBron, who averaged one more shot per game on lesser efficiency, averaging less APG, with a worse asst/t.o ratio. In terms of assist percentage, he was 7th.

The year before that he was 5th, and all 4 ahead of him averaged less shots per game, with two of them averaging 4-6 less shots and one of them being Chris Paul. He also happened to be 4th in assist percentage.

All the while producing 24ppg on 63% true shooting. You'd be pretty hard pressed to find a host of guys that provide a better blend of scoring and playmaking.

So if you're gonna say he's not a great playmaker, I would suggest going the 'eye test' route (probably an even more unfavourable proposition), because clearly the statistical route would not yield the results you're looking for.

Even THIS year, a year in which he's shooting 20 shots a game and scoring 30, his assists/36 is 7.0, and his assist percentage, on a historically amazing passing team, is 14th. Mind you, assist percentage is percentage of assists a player is responsible for while he's on the floor, and the Warriors team is full of passing savants which would lower his % considerably.

Anyways, your position is untenable, Curry is a great, great playmaker on a team rife with other good/great playmakers. He's shooting more than ever because he's the greatest shooter of all time and his great playmaking understandably takes a backseat to his shooting. What is to be expected of him, 30 and 10? The man averaged 24/8.3 the past two years, was near the top in assist percentage both years and clocked in 8.5 assists/per 36. Those are passing statistics you would expect from a great playmaker that was shooting at a much lower volume than him, much less a guy that is taking the most shots on the team.

[Jasper]

How many players in the league , not only get there team to PASS but to have a high dime ratio vs shooting :confusedshrug:
Now lets say how many players defend at the highest level for not only their team but the league.
Now lets put in the shooting and efficiency rate.

It sounds like a super man aka elite bball player.

In history it shows that there were.

Barkley is stating that all the hip about Curry , he pretty much is one dimensional , he is a shooter(.)

[PejaTheSerbSnip]

It's not an insult. Yes he's good at playmaking but he's not great at it ala magic, nash, paul.


That's true, but he doesn't have to be the greatest playmaker ever to be more than "just a shooter". These guys are 3 of the top 5-6 playmakers ever. Is it reasonable to expect somebody to be top 5 at both shooting and playmaking in order for them to shed the one-dimensional label?

Paul is on the short list of amazing playmakers and a great but not ligjhts out shooter. Curry IS the best shooter ever and a great, though not historic, playmaker.

Magic had no long range shot and he's the GOAT passer.

Nash is probably the closest to being among the all-time best at both, but he was a much bigger defensive sieve than Curry is, and wasn't nearly as great a scorer or as good a rebounder.

But bottom line, despite the fact that not all of them were the best at everything beyond their biggest strength, they could all beat you in multiple ways.

[PJR]

Barkley is honestly one of the biggest idiots out there. Always been one. He's on TV because he's an entertaining sound bite. That's it.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Great handles, crafty finisher near the basket, and a solid playmaker... but yes, Curry's just a shooter.

[DMAVS41]

But he is correct.... :confusedshrug:

However, he is the greatest ever at it... but when his shot aint falling he cant dominate any other way like other greats (those dudes in & around top 10 for example)... he aint as great as you think slashing or bulldozing or posting up entire game and still dominate equally well, he aint a great rebounder or a defender or even a great playmaker, good, but not great, i mean you wont see him go out there piling up abundance of assists at a high clip like a great playmaking traditional PG would....

When that happens tho, he can get away with it due to Dray & Klay / the team he has around him.... many times he doesnt shoot well and they win, even win championship with him having 0 FMVP votes.... so no problem for him...

So you really think the difference between Curry and a guy like Korver, for example, is that Curry is just way better at shooting...and doesn't have huge advantages in other areas of the game?

If Curry wanted to pile up assists....he could. But his team would be worse. He could average 12 assists a game if he wanted to.

Curry could, quite easily, be a 20/6/12 pg if that is what he really wanted to do each game...and he played the kind of minutes other stars in the league play.

And stupid old school morons like Barkley would think he was better.

Curry is not just a great shooter. If you gave him the shooting ability of a guy like CP3...Curry would still be an all star player and one of the best guards in the league.

He does so many other things well...

[dhsilv]

But he is correct.... :confusedshrug:

However, he is the greatest ever at it... but when his shot aint falling he cant dominate any other way like other greats (those dudes in & around top 10 for example)... he aint as great as you think slashing or bulldozing or posting up entire game and still dominate equally well, he aint a great rebounder or a defender or even a great playmaker, good, but not great, i mean you wont see him go out there piling up abundance of assists at a high clip like a great playmaking traditional PG would....

When that happens tho, he can get away with it due to Dray & Klay / the team he has around him.... many times he doesnt shoot well and they win, even win championship with him having 0 FMVP votes.... so no problem for him...

I assume this was a joke based on that last one. I can't imagine anyone is so stupid as to hold that against a player.

[dhsilv]

I haven't seen much inside the nba, but are EJ and Kenny just letting him get away with this crap? I assume nobody can tell what shaq is saying so no reason to ask about him.

[WorldWarriors]

I assume this was a joke based on that last one. I can't imagine anyone is so stupid as to hold that against a player. Oh yeah they hold it against him around here. Just like they hold 2/6 against LEBRON. Just typical stan nonsense.
:oldlol:

[Akhenaten]

That's true, but he doesn't have to be the greatest playmaker ever to be more than "just a shooter". These guys are 3 of the top 5-6 playmakers ever.

Are people playing stupid on here, or are they actually stupid? I'm leaning to the latter.

So if a guy isn't near the absolute best at something but just merely good to excellent then that cant be listed as "something he does" :biggums:

What is wrong with people man? FAACK :banghead:

[ImKobe]

I haven't seen much inside the nba, but are EJ and Kenny just letting him get away with this crap? I assume nobody can tell what shaq is saying so no reason to ask about him.

Barkley's playing the jester role on that show, they all know what they're doing , it's scripted.

[Heavincent]

Doesn't contradict with what I said. He gets trapped because he has unlimited range and accuracy. But if he is an elite playmaker he would average way more assists as the point guard.

No, because he's unselfish and doesn't feel the need to pad his assists. He knows playing off the ball is best for his team. Dude is so great he can make plays for his teammates without even having the ball.

Marbury averaged 9 assists one season. You gonna tell me he's a better playmaker than Curry? :roll:

Looking solely at assists is an outdated and lazy way of breaking down the game.

[Young X]

Curry is a good passer and playmaker but he's not great at it.

He's not even the best on his team in that aspect and he's the "PG".

[Lebron23]

I don't take Barkley's opinion very seriously. Unless you have an agenda, I never gave a $hit to those things that he said about LeBron.

Charles Barkley just wanted to rustle some jimmies. He's Like Mr. Jabbar, but he's getting paid to troll these sheeps while Mr. Jabbar is living in his parent's basement.

[Round Mound]

Chuck is wrong (and i am the biggest Chuck Fan ever) cause Curry can handle the rock great and he is a fine penetrator and passer aswell. But ofcourse, his long range shooting is what defines him.

[Akhenaten]

Curry is a good passer and playmaker but he's not great at it.

He's not even the best on his team in that aspect and he's the "PG".

So who is then?

[WorldWarriors]

So who is then?
Nobody.

[Young X]

So who is then?Draymond.

[WorldWarriors]

Draymond.
LOL No way. He's good though. But not better than Steph. Teams are starting to figure him out and have done a good job of taking him out of those 4 on 3s. Steph has been averaging more assists recently. He's taken up those duties again.

[Akhenaten]

Draymond.

So Draymond sans Curry would lead a more proficient and efficient offense than Curry sans Draymond?

You sure that's what you want to roll with?

[Young X]

Of course he wouldn't but what does that have to do with passing?

Curry's scoring is the main reason their offense is that great. His whole game and their offense revolves around his shooting. It's not like he's doing a great job distributing the basketball, he's good but not great.

[Akhenaten]

Of course he wouldn't but what does that have to do with passing?

Curry's scoring is the main reason their offense is that great. His whole game and their offense revolves around his shooting. It's not like he's doing a great job distributing the basketball, he's good but not great.

So Curry vs Draymond as their teams only playmaker/passer given the same surrounding cast, think 01 Sixers, 02 Magic, 09 Heat type squad.

Draymond's teammates would have higher offense efficacy than Curry's, we're taking out their own individual scoring ability just talking strictly about who's team's who score more and more efficiently.

you answer is Draymond? http://www.live2hustle.net/fam/images/smilies/scratch.gif

[plowking]

Draymond.

That is the biggest crock of shit ever.

Draymond literally only makes the "right" pass. He isn't making any great passes out there. Just doing what is considered the correct basketball play.

Curry is the best passer in the league, and as far as playmaker he is right there too. He is either drawing players to him opening the court, dishing the ball, scoring himself, or getting a hockey assist. That is the definition of playmaking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YgGqHY-54k

Is there a top 8 pass highlights better than that in the league?

[ShawkFactory]

No, Steve Kerr and Jason Kapono were just shooters.

If steph is just a shooter then he's the Beatles of that realm. Changed the game up completely.

"Just shooters" will never be the same.

[90sgoat]

Sir Charles always rustling jimmies :roll:

It's true though, Curry is just the new evolution of Ray Allen and Reggie Miller.

Fact: Curry has below average passing ability, very turnover prone.

Fact: Curry is below average defensive.

Fact: Curry is maybe the best shooter ever.

It is what it is.

[ShawkFactory]

Sir Charles always rustling jimmies :roll:

It's true though, Curry is just the new evolution of Ray Allen and Reggie Miller.

Fact: Curry has below average passing ability, very turnover prone.

Fact: Curry is below average defensive.

Fact: Curry is maybe the best shooter ever.

It is what it is.
Fact: his shooting changes defenses in a way no shooter ever has before.

It's unfair to pigeon-hole him as just a shooter when he literally dictates a defense.

That's like saying randy moss was just a tall, fast receiver. Couldn't block or go over the middle and fight for yards like the hard-nosed boys of the past. But you ain't never seen a dude put a defense on its ass like that.

[SugarHill]

He is the best passer in the league too. And probably the best or second best ball handler.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[ralph_i_el]

The thing is, Curry doesn't really do anything at an elite level besides shooting.

He's just so great at shooting that it makes every other facet of his game work better. He's a really good ball handler, but he gets most of his penetration because guys have to guard his shot so closely. He gets tons of assists because they throw doubles at him and/or guard him far enough away from the hoop that he gets easy assists.

3 things that Curry is elite at:
Shooting (GOAT)
footwork
scoring instincts

and footwork and scoring instincts are part of being a great shooter.

I see where Barkley is coming from. Curry is more than "Just a shooter"....he's the best at shooting....which is probably the most important basketball skill.

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Sir Charles always rustling jimmies :roll:

It's true though, Curry is just the new evolution of Ray Allen and Reggie Miller.

Fact: Curry has below average passing ability, very turnover prone.

Fact: Curry is below average defensive.

Fact: Curry is maybe the best shooter ever.

It is what it is.

Literally nothing you posted was a fact

That's awkward.

[Young X]

That is the biggest crock of shit ever.

Draymond literally only makes the "right" pass. He isn't making any great passes out there. Just doing what is considered the correct basketball play.

Curry is the best passer in the league, and as far as playmaker he is right there too. He is either drawing players to him opening the court, dishing the ball, scoring himself, or getting a hockey assist. That is the definition of playmaking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YgGqHY-54k

Is there a top 8 pass highlights better than that in the league?Guess what?

Passing isn't just about flash.

Making the "right" pass and the "right" play is the very thing that measures a passer.

That's what great passers do. That's what John Stockton did throughout his entire career.

Saying Curry is the best passer in the league is a complete joke. He's not even a top 10 passer.

It's borderline dickriding to say something like that.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Curry always draws the double, kicks it to Draymond who kicks it to a wide open shooter in the corner

That's how he gets 90% of his assist. Without Curry to draw attention he wouldn't get nearly as many

[plowking]

Guess what?

Passing isn't just about flash.

Making the "right" pass and the "right" play is the very thing that measures a passer.

That's what great passers do. That's what John Stockton did throughout his entire career.

Saying Curry is the best passer in the league is a complete joke. He's not even a top 10 passer.

It's borderline dickriding to say something like that.

He clearly isn't making the right plays and right passes is he? You know, leading the best offense in the league for a second straight year. Not just the best offense in those two years, but probably one of, if not the best offense we've ever seen.

It really isn't a joke to say he is the best passer in the league. If he isn't the best, he is right there.

He isn't top 10? LOL. He is currently ranked 10th in the league in APG. He is clearly one of the most creative and flashy passers in the league. His passes and general playmaking are a huge part of leading one of the best offenses ever.

As for his top 10 APG status currently. These are some of the guys in front of him. Ish Smith, Russell Westbrook, Isiah Thomas, James Harden, Draymond Green, Damian Lillard... lol.
Notice a trend? All guys he passes the ball better than.
Now you're left with Rondo, Paul, Wall and Rubio.
Top 5 at the very least, with a good case for best in the league if you actually see some of the passes he makes on the court.

Last season he was 6th in APG, with a similar 4 or 5 guys ahead of him including Ty Lawson. But yeah... He just ain't one of the best passers in the league. :oldlol:

[navy]

Curry is a top 3 ball handler and top 3 finisher. He would be goodif he couldnt shoot.

[La Frescobaldi]

when you take away the greatest strength of any player, it becomes monumentally more difficult for them to dominate the game. Take away LeBrons finishing ability and that has an immeasurable impact on the rest of his game and how other teams defend him.
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I hope the people trying to downplay Curry's impact start getting taken to task for their myopic views. He's been the best player in the league the past two years, on the best team, playing a game that is both fan-friendly and validated by a litany of statistics. Barkley is so wrong it's cringeworthy.

Pardon me for cutting out some great pithy stuff but this right here is terrific and for me it is one of the key factors about a player.

Bill Russell had a great point about hoops long time ago it went about like this.....
Basketball isn't really about scoring. Anybody in the NBA can score. They already proved that in college or they wouldn't make it to the big time. If you think about it, scoring is the smallest part of the game. It takes about 3 seconds per shot, 60 shots per team....... maybe 8 minutes of a game is actually shooting/scoring. That leaves 40+ minutes of each game..... what's happening in that time? That's where games are won or lost.

To me that is so important that it's crazy not to use that as a gauge, a measuring stick, whatever you want to call it. A stat that has no stat.

To me when I think about the very greatest players that is always right up front - what are they doing when they don't have the ball?
If you take away what a guy is best at...... can he get it done in other ways?
A recent example was Kobe Bryant in the Finals dude's shot was NOT falling. So he found other ways to win, got like 15 rebounds and played incredible defense, had a bunch of amazingly great non-assist passes.
Another example is Wilt - that guy most known in legend as a scorer, but he actually got quite a few triple doubles as a Laker without ever shooting even once.

Kareem in the '70s of course he always had to score but... he would impact the entire court without ever having the ball in his hands at all.

See if you take away a player's strongest asset - can he still dominate the game? Only the very very greatest can still win consistently when you stop the best part of their game. Tim Duncan absolutely has this even to this season. Magic had it; believe it or not, Dirk had it. Nowitkzi gets slammed beyond all reason for his other-than-shooting game... but he was great at everything. I'm on record about Kawhi Leonard back in 2014 saying he was as good or better than Durant at everything in basketball except pure scoring with the ball in his hands.... that's what I'm talking about. Leonard has it. Durant does not.

Curry plays at a very high level at other things than shooting, no doubt. But does he do those things at such a level that he still dominates the court? An NBA court?

I loved all your post except for that last sentence - Sir Charles comment wasn't cringeworthy at all. It was very very perceptive.

[Solid Snake]

I wouldn't hate him as much if he weren't a baby-faced, light-skinned thug.

[WorldWarriors]

Pardon me for cutting out some great pithy stuff but this right here is terrific and for me it is one of the key factors about a player.

Bill Russell had a great point about hoops long time ago it went about like this.....
Basketball isn't really about scoring. Anybody in the NBA can score. They already proved that in college or they wouldn't make it to the big time. If you think about it, scoring is the smallest part of the game. It takes about 3 seconds per shot, 60 shots per team....... maybe 8 minutes of a game is actually shooting/scoring. That leaves 40+ minutes of each game..... what's happening in that time? That's where games are won or lost.

To me that is so important that it's crazy not to use that as a gauge, a measuring stick, whatever you want to call it. A stat that has no stat.

To me when I think about the very greatest players that is always right up front - what are they doing when they don't have the ball?
If you take away what a guy is best at...... can he get it done in other ways?
A recent example was Kobe Bryant in the Finals dude's shot was NOT falling. So he found other ways to win, got like 15 rebounds and played incredible defense, had a bunch of amazingly great non-assist passes.
Another example is Wilt - that guy most known in legend as a scorer, but he actually got quite a few triple doubles as a Laker without ever shooting even once.

Kareem in the '70s of course he always had to score but... he would impact the entire court without ever having the ball in his hands at all.

See if you take away a player's strongest asset - can he still dominate the game? Only the very very greatest can still win consistently when you stop the best part of their game. Tim Duncan absolutely has this even to this season. Magic had it; believe it or not, Dirk had it. Nowitkzi gets slammed beyond all reason for his other-than-shooting game... but he was great at everything. I'm on record about Kawhi Leonard back in 2014 saying he was as good or better than Durant at everything in basketball except pure scoring with the ball in his hands.... that's what I'm talking about. Leonard has it. Durant does not.

Curry plays at a very high level at other things than shooting, no doubt. But does he do those things at such a level that he still dominates the court? An NBA court?

I loved all your post except for that last sentence - Sir Charles comment wasn't cringeworthy at all. It was very very perceptive. His shot wasn't falling in the OKC game. He dominated in crunch time where it counted.

[La Frescobaldi]

His shot wasn't falling in the OKC game. He dominated in crunch time where it counted.
Yes exactly right. He was doing some crazy amounts of hustle there at the end.

Curry is somethin all right. Really somethin