RUMOR: Carmelo Anthony for Kevin Love deal being discussed...(bron did it again)

[You Cant Ban Me]

we go to the moon if this one pans out http://49.media.tumblr.com/48eba57bfc371d79f9eb618e5c2eeed9/tumblr_neqriwJbqY1u3o7azo1_400.gif

[DonDraper]

Melos garbage.... but then again, so is Love

[MellowYellow]

Melos garbage.... but then again, so is Love
What is K-love then? Cause he's putting up worse numbers on worse efficiency as a 3rd option than Melo is as the first option.

[Bosnian Sajo]

How does this make sense for New York? Porzingis/Love front court? Ew.

[AngelEyes]

Based on what we've seen from him lately why would the Knicks want Kevin Love? How would that benefit them?

[RedBlackAttack]

According to my pretty reliable sources... there does seem to be some kind of conversation taking place regarding Love and Melo. :facepalm

God no.

[ImKobe]

Knicks probably would do it too

[Fallen Angel]

Isn't OP supposed to be banned from something he did on Super Bowl Sunday?

And while you're online, tell Jeff to stop baiting posters on his alt accounts.

[Cocaine80s]

Love for Melo+Porzingis


We'll take it i guess

[imdaman99]

No thanks, would rather someone else's draft picks.

[TheMarkMadsen]

who cares? Melo has a NTC

[Akrazotile]

How does this make sense for New York? Porzingis/Love front court? Ew.


Melo has a terrible contract with a no trade clause. If New York has a chance to get rid of it right now they should take it and worry about moving Love later. I know Melo and Bron are close but I know Melo also likes being in NYC. So who knows. But if hes willing to move, NY should move him.

They resigned him bc they were a shit team with no stars and needed someone with name value to keep the team relevant at least in the media. Now they have Zinger to be the face of their team going forward and if they wanna build around him they need to get Melo's contract out of there.

I dont know how much of an upgrade Melo would be and how well hed fit next to Irving and LeAlpha, but he and The Chosen One are very close friends so I dont think Cleveland would hesitate to do it.

I actually think this is a very realistic scenario and I wouldnt be at all surprised if this ends up happening.

[Im Still Ballin]

Melo would definitely fit in better

[MellowYellow]

Just go Melo, see what you can do with a real team and come back when you have your opt out when the Knicks are ready to compete.

[Lebron23]

Knicks, Cavs and Celtics also discussed a blockbuster that sends Melo to Cleveland, Kevin Love to Boston and picks/players to NY. (NYDN)


The trade scenario would be: Boston: Kevin Love Knicks: Mozgov & lots of picks Cavs: Carmelo Anthony

https://twitter.com/search?q=Carmelo+kevin+Love&ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^search

[Cocaine80s]

https://twitter.com/search?q=Carmelo+kevin+Love&ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^search
Losing Love and Mozgov for Melo isnt worth it

[Lebron23]

Melo has a terrible contract with a no trade clause. If New York has a chance to get rid of it right now they should take it and worry about moving Love later. I know Melo and Bron are close but I know Melo also likes being in NYC. So who knows. But if hes willing to move, NY should move him.

They resigned him bc they were a shit team with no stars and needed someone with name value to keep the team relevant at least in the media. Now they have Zinger to be the face of their team going forward and if they wanna build around him they need to get Melo's contract out of there.

I dont know how much of an upgrade Melo would be and how well hed fit next to Irving and LeAlpha, but he and The Chosen One are very close friends so I dont think Cleveland would hesitate to do it.

I actually think this is a very realistic scenario and I wouldnt be at all surprised if this ends up happening.



Kevin Love to the Boston Celtics.

[RedBlackAttack]

https://twitter.com/search?q=Carmelo+kevin+Love&ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^search
...

I don't buy it.

[imdaman99]

Knicks are not in the business to help someone else get rings. Fk off.

[navy]

Cavs would be foolish to get rid of Mozgov without getting a big in return.

[Im Still Ballin]

Melo's efficiency would go way up with Cleveland

I wonder if they'll play Lebron or Melo at PF

[Akrazotile]

Why does Boston want Klove? I thought they were building a hard-nosed winner, not a vehicle for someone to put up empty stats with no defense in.

[Lebron23]

Losing Love and Mozgov for Melo isnt worth it

I only trade him for Dwight Howard, and Trevor Ariza.

[ALBballer]

Knicks are not in the business to help someone else get rings. Fk off.

If the Knicks can get a few of the Nets picks from the Celtics they should do it. Melo is 31 time to move on.

[RedBlackAttack]

Melo would definitely fit in better
The Cavs get much older and add yet another player who needs to get his hands on the ball to be effective.

I don't see how he fits better. Love is a better shooter and an elite rebounding presence at the 4. Melo is a pure scorer. We have those already.

[JohnFreeman]

I won't believe this until it happens

[Bosnian Sajo]

As much as I dislike Lebron, I'd love this trade for the NBA. The finals would be amazing this season.




lebron23's link makes much more sense, I could see Love playing in Boston. Expect David Lee to go back to NY if that trade were to happen.

[raprap]

Love and Olynyk in the same team? :roll:

[4 Inches]

If this goes down Lala will be staying in NY to get piped

[Lebron23]

Dwight Howard to the Cavaliers rumor.

http://www.inquisitr.com/2790865/nba-trade-rumors-dwight-howard-could-be-shipped-to-cleveland-in-mega-deal-for-kevin-love/

[JohnFreeman]

Dwight isn't an upgrade over Love though

Maybe defensively

[DaOldLion]

you know you're the GOAT when your team feels the need to try and put the eastern conference all stars around you at every trade deadline just so you can compete with the west

[HenryGarfunkle]

This would be the greatest thing to ever happen to Melo. He'd die without ever knowing what it's like to be in the finals if he doesn't go to Cle.

I'm hoping this happens. For Melo's sake. If you're the Cavs, you lose one overrated loser for the next, but Melo as a third option potentially could be a scary thing. Especially a motivated Melo with relatively no pressure to be the main scorer. I like it.

[Im Still Ballin]

Imagine if they could somehow get Dwight and Melo

Magic!

[Cocaine80s]

Dwight isn't an upgrade over Love though

Maybe defensively
:biggums:

[raprap]

Trevor ariza should be the # 1 priority.

[Lebron23]

Imagine if they acquire Dwight and Melo. Cavs Big 4 are the core players of Team USA.

[Done_And_Done]

Love and Moz?

There's no way Cleveland sheds that much weight off of their frontcourt without a return of at least one big.

[JohnFreeman]

:biggums:
Dwight does not look that good, plus tonnes of injuries

[JebronLames]

I'd rather have korver

[Lebron23]

you know you're the GOAT when your team feels the need to try and put the eastern conference all stars around you at every trade deadline just so you can compete with the west


http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8muciMbHF1qcmnsoo1_500.png


http://wagesofwins.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/kobe-malone-shaq-payton-174979_480_art_R0.jpeg

[Cocaine80s]

Dwight does not look that good, plus tonnes of injuries
Love isnt exactly iron man either though

15/12/2 blocks on 61% is pretty good. Plus hes been playing on a disfunctional team

[JohnFreeman]

Love isnt exactly iron man either though

15/12/2 blocks on 61% is pretty good. Plus hes been playing on a disfunctional team
Maybe you are right, I dunno

[DaOldLion]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8muciMbHF1qcmnsoo1_500.png


http://wagesofwins.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/kobe-malone-shaq-payton-174979_480_art_R0.jpeg

I don't even like the Lakers :oldlol: but are you really trying to say that 40 YO nash = prime Kyrie, and washed up Metta = Melo :confusedshrug:

BTW just so you know that line up of the 13 Lakers never even played 200 minutes together

[Lebron23]

They probably sign Omer Asik, and Trevor Ariza. I don't like this trade proposal at all. Just get rid of Mozgov.

[Lebron23]

I don't even like the Lakers :oldlol: but are you really trying to say that 40 YO nash = prime Kyrie, and washed up Metta = Melo :confusedshrug:

BTW just so you know that line up of the 13 Lakers never even played 100 minutes together


Quit Lying Son. You are one of Mr. Jabbar's account.

[Im Still Ballin]

Dwight would be a good addition

But I'd only give up Love if you could get Ariza too

[34-24 Footwork]

I think it would be great for ratings to see Melo in the playoffs again. Dude can still produce on the offensive end of the court.

The thought of Melo/Kyrie screen & rolls :applause: :applause:

Hopefully he would get utilized correctly if this trade did happen. JR Smith played his BEST basketball when paired up with Carmelo in Denver. If it wasn't for Kobe goin supanigga in that series, I believe Melo and JR would both have a ring right now.

[Im Still Ballin]

JR is a very good player when he's the 4th/5th option

He's a perfect catch and shoot player, that Waiters wasn't

[JohnFreeman]

I think it would be great for ratings to see Melo in the playoffs again. Dude can still produce on the offensive end of the court.

The thought of Melo/Kyrie screen & rolls :applause: :applause:

Hopefully he would get utilized correctly if this trade did happen. JR Smith played his BEST basketball when paired up with Carmelo in Denver. If it wasn't for Kobe goin supanigga in that series, I believe Melo and JR would both have a ring right now.
JR is probably playing the best he ever has right now.

Offensively and defensively

[DaOldLion]

Quit Lying Son. You are one of Mr. Jabbar's account.

wrong again buddy but keep pulling out the insecure go-to moves.

[34-24 Footwork]

But I believe a package of Love + Mozgod for Ariza and Howard is MUCH MORE realistic.

Ariza would thrive in the roll of a spot of shooter (he credits his jump shot to the Kobe Bryant "shooting bible").

D12, however, would NOT thrive in the roll he'd be given due to the spacing needed to accommodate bran's game.

If he's complaining about touches now and in 2013, then he should probably go elsewhere.

[navy]

Dwight would be a good addition

But I'd only give up Love if you could get Ariza too
Defense would be terrible in houston

[Cocaine80s]

Defense would be terrible
You're saying that if the Cavs replace Love with Dwight and Ariza their defense becomes terrible? :biggums: :biggums:

Nvm saw the edit

[navy]

You're saying that if the Cavs replace Love with Dwight and Ariza their defense becomes terrible? :biggums: :biggums:
I meant houstons defense.

[34-24 Footwork]

JR is probably playing the best he ever has right now.

Offensively and defensively

You're WRONG on both accounts, but that's consistent based on the comments I've seen from you.


He was one of the BEST offensive scorers in the game off the bench in 2009.

He had 180 3's that season while still expected to guard the shooting guard of the Western Conference.

[34-24 Footwork]

If they Keep Shump, JR and get Ariza, then the opposing SF definitely wouldn't get Finals MVP

...This, I know.

[JohnFreeman]

You're WRONG on both accounts, but that's consistent based on the comments I've seen from you.


He was one of the BEST offensive scorers in the game off the bench in 2009.

He had 180 3's that season while still expected to guard the shooting guard of the Western Conference.
And Kobe lit him up

Defensively he is better now, and he is more efficient now

[Lebron23]

C: Dwight Howard/Varejao/Kaun
F: LeBron James/Thompson
F: Trevor Ariza/Richard Jefferson
G: JR Smith/Iman Shumpert
G: Kyrie Irving/Mo Williams

Put LeBron against 6'5" Draymond Green on defense.

[Bosnian Sajo]

You're WRONG on both accounts, but that's consistent based on the comments I've seen from you.






Tell em :oldlol:


John shook from all these L's tonight, he wasn't ready.

[dreamwarrior]

I'd like to see Love go to another team. The guy is wasting his prime in Cleveland being asked to do things he can't do which makes the rest of his game suffer. He can go to any team and be back to a 20/10 guy overnight. Lebron ball is sucking the life out of his career at this point

[34-24 Footwork]

C: Dwight Howard/Varejao/Kaun
F: LeBron James/Thompson
F: Trevor Ariza/Richard Jefferson
G: JR Smith/Iman Shumpert
G: Kyrie Irving/Mo Williams

Put LeBron against 6'5" Draymond Green on defense.


Lebron would be in foul trouble after 5 minutes if he guarded Draymond without help...which wouldn't be good for basketball ratings.

Luckily, the cavs coaching staff isn't as stupid as you.

[Im Still Ballin]

Lebron would be in foul trouble after 5 minutes if he guarded Draymond without help...which wouldn't be good for basketball ratings.

Luckily, the cavs coaching staff isn't as stupid as you.
Trolling?

Lebron would be fine against Draymond

He's bigger and stronger

[Cocaine80s]

Lebron would be in foul trouble after 5 minutes if he guarded Draymond without help...which wouldn't be good for basketball ratings.

Luckily, the cavs coaching staff isn't as stupid as you.
As if Draymond can do shit on offense

Bron would lock him up with ease

[Pointguard]

I'm hearing Boston gets Love, Cleveland gets Carmelo, Knicks get some of Boston's young talent.

Seems like Cleveland is definitely making a big time trade.

[Lebron23]

Lebron would be in foul trouble after 5 minutes if he guarded Draymond without help...which wouldn't be good for basketball ratings.

Luckily, the cavs coaching staff isn't as stupid as you.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVoSZiRQ2LA

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site568/2015/1225/20151225__warriorsstaff~2_300.JPG

[Lebron23]

Trolling?

Lebron would be fine against Draymond

He's bigger and stronger


This

He's 3 inches taller than Fatmond Green.

[34-24 Footwork]

This is the problem with lebron fans...

they can't appreciate ANY player that Lebron plays with and feels like that have to degrade them (even before acquiring them in some cases) to make Lebron, or his losses, look better.

Ariza is a SOLID basketball swingman who gives effort on both ends of the court....

it won't be too long until countless threads are made to devalue him and his championship experience.

Be humble....Ariza was a champion long before lebron was.

[SwishSquared]

If the Cavs are straight up swapping Love/Mozgov for Melo, they're getting hosed. Love's younger and on a better contract, not to mention Melo's knee problems the past couple seasons.

Now, if Cleveland ships out Andy, keeps Mozgov, and gets back somebody like Bradley/Crowder- that makes it more appealing imo (especially if they land Crowder).

[Cocaine80s]

Gets proven wrong, brings up some irrelevant shit no one was talking about :oldlol:

[Im Still Ballin]

It's like some people forgot that Lebron played PF for multiple seasons. He has guarded every position. He locked down Al Jefferson in 2012, had a good defensive stint on 7 footer Gasol, had an epic block on Splitter, duked it out with David West. He's more than capable defending a 6-5 guy.

[34-24 Footwork]

Trolling?

Lebron would be fine against Draymond

He's bigger and stronger


Lebron is bigger, stronger and faster than most nba players. It's only resulted in traveling, a couple of rings and FLOPS BY THE DOZEN.

Draymond has backed down lebron several times for easy layups without breaking a sweat.

[34-24 Footwork]

It's like some people forgot that Lebron played PF for multiple seasons. He has guarded every position. He locked down Al Jefferson in 2012, had a good defensive stint on 7 footer Gasol, had an epic block on Splitter, duked it out with David West. He's more than capable defending a 6-5 guy.


It's always numbers with you nerds..

I've seen Lance and Draymond BULLY lebron on the block.

Pau Gasol has scored effortlessly on the low block vs Bron.

David West has also BULLIED bron on the block.



It's not always about size, you stat freaks. Bad defensive positioning/lateral quickness make lebron an AWFUL low post defender.

[inclinerator]

Lebron is bigger, stronger and faster than most nba players. It's only resulted in traveling, a couple of rings and FLOPS BY THE DOZEN.

Draymond has backed down lebron several times for easy layups without breaking a sweat.
lol lebron has done the same, sealed draymond many times and posted him in the finals

[JohnFreeman]

It's always numbers with you nerds..who love stats more than basketball.

I've seen Lance and Draymond BULLY lebron on the block.

Pau Gasol has scored effortlessly on the low block vs Bron.

David West has also BULLIED bron on the block.



It's not always about size, you stat freaks. Bad defensive positioning/lateral quickness make lebron an AWFUL low post defender.
Now find all the evidence for these claims and post them here. Cheers.

[Im Still Ballin]

Okay this guy is just trolling

Ignore him guys

[Lebron23]

Okay this guy is just trolling

Ignore him guys


Guy is suffering from Mr. Jabbar Syndrome. Simon is a much better poster than that F@ggot.

I bet he's Asian.

[Bosnian Sajo]

It's always numbers with you nerds..

I've seen Lance and Draymond BULLY lebron on the block.

Pau Gasol has scored effortlessly on the low block vs Bron.

David West has also BULLIED bron on the block.



It's not always about size, you stat freaks. Bad defensive positioning/lateral quickness make lebron an AWFUL low post defender.


Can't make those kind of claims when you arguing with boxscore watchers, they never seen Pau ball on Bron.

[Cocaine80s]

Guy is suffering from Mr. Jabbar Syndrome. Simon is a much better poster than that F@ggot.

I bet he's Asian.
Why do you hate your race so much?

[Bosnian Sajo]

Guy is suffering from Mr. Jabbar Syndrome. Simon is a much better poster than that F@ggot.

I bet he's Asian.

:biggums:


Coming from a Filipino?

[34-24 Footwork]

Okay this guy is just trolling

Ignore him guys

Bran fans think he's some defensive Cyborg programmed to never get scored on when taken to the post :lol

But I'm the one trolling doe.

[34-24 Footwork]

Now find all the evidence for these claims and post them here. Cheers.

You're obviously on your mother's WIFI as we speak.

Just youtube it yourself.

[Lebron23]

Why do you hate your race so much?


Nah. I am just kidding, but i have a feeling (Newtype) that Mr. Jabbar is an Asian.

[JohnFreeman]

You're obviously on your mother's WIFI as we speak.

Just youtube it yourself.
Nah you made the claims, you post the evidence

[Bosnian Sajo]

You're obviously on your mother's WIFI as we speak.

Just youtube it yourself.


nanana, according to him, he pays his own mortgage :roll: :roll:

mama makes him pay to stay in the basement

[34-24 Footwork]

Guy is suffering from Mr. Jabbar Syndrome. Simon is a much better poster than that F@ggot.

I bet he's Asian.


You and a few other guys were just worshipping stats like VORP and other contrived data that were mathematically calculated to praise and glorify Bran's career.

You, and most of the other posters on here who praise him the same mathematical fashion, are without a doubt....Asian.

[34-24 Footwork]

nanana, according to him, he pays his own mortgage :roll: :roll:

mama makes him pay to stay in the basement


:lol :lol

Damn. Thread derailed.

I'll post the videos if he proves that he's not on his mother's WIFI

[34-24 Footwork]

Nah you made the claims, you post the evidence

Youre a decent poster, lil bro. But your stanning for lebron makes you unbearable and inconsistent.

[AirTupac]

LeBron23 has a tiny baby diqq and he's 5'3. Dude is constantly raging at other posters because of his tiny insecurities.

[k0kakw0rld]

we go to the moon if this one pans out http://49.media.tumblr.com/48eba57bfc371d79f9eb618e5c2eeed9/tumblr_neqriwJbqY1u3o7azo1_400.gif
What's next? Paul for Irving?

[NBASTATMAN]

Melos garbage.... but then again, so is Love


I would take LOVER over Melo... Love can rebound and shoot. Melo can score and that is it..

[Lebron23]

I would take LOVER over Melo... Love can rebound and shoot. Melo can score and that is it..


This

[SwishSquared]

C: Dwight Howard/Varejao/Kaun
F: LeBron James/Thompson
F: Trevor Ariza/Richard Jefferson
G: JR Smith/Iman Shumpert
G: Kyrie Irving/Mo Williams

Put LeBron against 6'5" Draymond Green on defense.If the Cavs are trading Love and getting back Howard, they may as well do a 3-team trade:
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j4fwjee

Houston gets this year's Brooklyn pick and Boston throws the Cavs some draft asset(s). Ideally they get the better of the 2017 Brooklyn/Boston 1st rounders (so essentially Brooklyn gets least favorable of BKN/BOS/CLE and the Celtics gets the 2nd most favorable). Maybe the 2018 Brooklyn pick instead of the '17 one? I don't think the '16 Boston + '16 Dallas firsts and '16 Philly + '16/'17 Minnesota 2nds are enticing enough honestly for the Cavs to pull the trigger. Those will all fall in the ~20-35 range.

Edit: Hmmm that's too much for Cs to give up. Doubt 2 Brooklyn picks get moved, but it would definitely get Cleveland to do the deal imo. Not sure what else can get moved between those teams. Cleveland needs more than Crowder & an expiring Dwight for Love, that's for sure. And 2 low firsts and 2 high seconds isn't enough.

[NattyPButter]

Great team full of iso, injury prone and chucking players.

[masonanddixon]

How does this make sense for New York? Porzingis/Love front court? Ew.

Uhhh thats a great front court pairing. Excellent rim protector with a guy who is normally a bruiser and the best rebounder in the league. Incredible spacing. All they need is a good shooting guard and they are contenders.

[Nick Young]

According to my pretty reliable sources... there does seem to be some kind of conversation taking place regarding Love and Melo. :facepalm

God no.
LeGM:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[coin24]

LeBron23 has a tiny baby diqq and he's 5'3. Dude is constantly raging at other posters because of his tiny insecurities.

:lol :lol

Keeps going on about height, the only people who do that are short asses. :lol so insecure

[MellowYellow]

I would take LOVER over Melo... Love can rebound and shoot. Melo can score and that is it..
And you call yourself statman? Melo is putting up 22 8 4, leads the knick in points rebounds and assists and is a much better defender than Love.

[RedBlackAttack]

This trade is pure fiction. That's the official word. Isola stirring up trouble. Again.

[Hopper15]

Isola is so full of crap.

[RedBlackAttack]

I'm hearing Boston gets Love, Cleveland gets Carmelo, Knicks get some of Boston's young talent.

Seems like Cleveland is definitely making a big time trade.
Not happening. Nonsense clickbait.

The idea of trading Love for Ariza/Howard is equally as stupid. Maybe moreso.

I'd be all for going after Ariza, but the idea of somehow including Love in that kind of trade is ludicrous. Guy has seriously gotten underrated, as has his contract situation and age.

Maybe we can trade Kyrie for Kobe while we're at it? Is Jason Kidd still available? Ray Allen?

[$LakerGold]

Bad trade for both teams. I'm assuming no cap space next year. It's one of those things where it's fancy, it feels good to have another all-star on your team while it being overshadowed by reality. If Melo goes to the Cavs, I can say that he has at least a year window of opportunity to where he can really stay at a high level since it's only going to get worse. He won't get the same amount of touches, definitely not the same role, although he might thrive off of the Lebron-system since he has no problem spotting up with those corner 3's, but that is it, he's 31 yrs. old (?). It's nice now, but it won't be pretty sexy next season if he struggles early-in & jacks up shots just to get into his shooting form.

If the deal goes through, then it really is one of those things where it's nice because it's fresh & new having him with Lebron, but whether if it be this season or next, I think they'll realize that it wasn't that hot of a deal.

Short-term: It only takes a winning-streak to see if they made the right call or not, & if so, then it's so obvious they want to win now. Duh. Lebron.

Long-term: I wouldn't call it terrible if Melo can still average 17ppg when he's 34. 16ppg on 38-40% shooting & below is terrible.

[$LakerGold]

Just looking from it now, this deal might even be a win for the Knicks if Phil is planning to use Love as part of a package / trade asset whenever (Draft day/Offseason...).

If Phil is looking to win now (2-3 years), for sure he'll keep Love & chase after guards & SF's. Who's in the FA pool this offseason? KD? Westbrook? Well played, Phil. :roll:

???/???/KD/Love/Porzingis :roll: Zen master.

This is so trippy.

[golden24boy]

This would be the greatest thing to ever happen to Melo. He'd die without ever knowing what it's like to be in the finals if he doesn't go to Cle.

I'm hoping this happens. For Melo's sake. If you're the Cavs, you lose one overrated loser for the next, but Melo as a third option potentially could be a scary thing. Especially a motivated Melo with relatively no pressure to be the main scorer. I like it.

lol in before all lebron stans call melo a scrub...if trade happens and blame losing on him:facepalm

[RedBlackAttack]

Bad trade for both teams. I'm assuming no cap space next year. It's one of those things where it's fancy, it feels good to have another all-star on your team while it being overshadowed by reality. If Melo goes to the Cavs, I can say that he has at least a year window of opportunity to where he can really stay at a high level since it's only going to get worse. He won't get the same amount of touches, definitely not the same role, although he might thrive off of the Lebron-system since he has no problem spotting up with those corner 3's, but that is it, he's 31 yrs. old (?). It's nice now, but it won't be pretty sexy next season if he struggles early-in & jacks up shots just to get into his shooting form.

If the deal goes through, then it really is one of those things where it's nice because it's fresh & new having him with Lebron, but whether if it be this season or next, I think they'll realize that it wasn't that hot of a deal.

Short-term: It only takes a winning-streak to see if they made the right call or not, & if so, then it's so obvious they want to win now. Duh. Lebron.

Long-term: I wouldn't call it terrible if Melo can still average 17ppg when he's 34. 16ppg on 38-40% shooting & below is terrible.


Just looking from it now, this deal might even be a win for the Knicks if Phil is planning to use Love as part of a package / trade asset whenever (Draft day/Offseason...).

If Phil is looking to win now (2-3 years), for sure he'll keep Love & chase after guards & SF's. Who's in the FA pool this offseason? KD? Westbrook? Well played, Phil. :roll:

???/???/KD/Love/Porzingis :roll: Zen master.

This is so trippy.

Except it is 100% made up.

[ballinhun8]

LeBron23 has a tiny baby diqq and he's 5'3. Dude is constantly raging at other posters because of his tiny insecurities.


Almost 9 years strong he'll be and not one solid comeback from him :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[Mr Feeny]

Almost 9 years strong he'll be and not one solid comeback from him :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

Maybe he's actually secure with himself and doesn't need a comeback? :(
Seems like you're really wound up by him.

[ballinhun8]

Maybe he's actually secure with himself and doesn't need a comeback? :(
Seems like you're really wound up by him.



Secure with himself?? Be honest. Have you ever seen any poster actually try to dig up personal information on posters to try to scare them on a message board? I'd like to see you try to defend his actions there. Thtas a sad attempt at a comeback on his part.

[knicksman]

If phil could get this done and durant in fa. I dont know what to say. Meanwhile bran needs a clutch shooter coz he cant get it done. Lol

[$LakerGold]

Except it is 100% made up.
It's blowing up, it's all over Twitter. But if it isn't true, let's theorize about it, it's fun.

[Black and White]

Why would Cleveland want to make a huge deal around the all-star break? That would mean they would have to start adjusting to a new style of offense and incorporating a new star player, if they would be making a deal I would think that it would be a small one to bolster the perimeter defense or add some shooting.

[Sakkreth]

It's bad for both teams.

[CarlosBoozer]

If they trade love, at least get someone who is decent on defense lol

[oh the horror]

So they fire a coach mid season when they have a winning record and are now talking about a trade that'll completely shuffle their core guys around? Can someone explain wtf is going on in Cleveland?

[JohnFreeman]

So they fire a coach mid season when they have a winning record and are now talking about a trade that'll completely shuffle their core guys around? Can someone explain wtf is going on in Cleveland?
Nothing is going on, it's a false rumour

[knicksman]

Why would Cleveland want to make a huge deal around the all-star break? That would mean they would have to start adjusting to a new style of offense and incorporating a new star player, if they would be making a deal I would think that it would be a small one to bolster the perimeter defense or add some shooting.


They need a clutch scorer. Love and kyrie arent proven in the playoffs and we all knew bran. And bran is desperate. If you colluded 2 times and end up 2/6, of couse youre going to end up the biggest joke in history

[Meticode]

Almost all the posts I see in here having Love going to the Knicks and the rumors I read that got pushed to my phone say that isn't the case. Love would go to Boston, and Boston would send draft picks to the Knicks and the Cavs would send Timo Mozgov to the Knicks.

But alas looks like it's just a false rumor. We'll see what happens in the coming days.

[Meticode]

So they fire a coach mid season when they have a winning record and are now talking about a trade that'll completely shuffle their core guys around? Can someone explain wtf is going on in Cleveland?
There's nothing to explain, it's Cleveland.

[Akrazotile]

So they fire a coach mid season when they have a winning record and are now talking about a trade that'll completely shuffle their core guys around? Can someone explain wtf is going on in Cleveland?


Basically Lebron is swinging his big package around to let his organization know its time to get their act together and make a move. Dudes been shouldering the weight of entire franchises for his whole career. Get him a freaking sidekick for once.

[$LakerGold]

Almost all the posts I see in here having Love going to the Knicks and the rumors I read that got pushed to my phone say that isn't the case. Love would go to Boston, and Boston would send draft picks to the Knicks and the Cavs would send Timo Mozgov to the Knicks.

But alas looks like it's just a false rumor. We'll see what happens in the coming days.
I'm saying Love would go to the Knicks because then it would be a terrible trade for the Knicks. I just find it hard to believe PJax would do such a thing, though, what kind of picks are we talking about here?

Someone from one of their FO's needs to clear this up if it is indeed happening, I'm thinking that something will change soon & I see Love going to the Knicks, it just makes a lot of sense from the Knicks.

[dunksby]

Not gonna read all the responses which is probably full of back and forth between Bron stans and Love detractors, from what I know Melo has a no trade clause in his contract, he didn't give up Chicago to be traded to Cleveland. LALA would have his balls cut off :lol

[stalkerforlife]

I'm so sick of this colluding coward and the sheep he fool's.

HOW DOES THE NBA ALLOW THIS SHIT TO HAPPEN?

[Nash]

Hehe, I've been saying this trade should happen for a long time now.

So something like this?

Cavs get: Melo, Olynyk/Jerebko
Boston get: Love
Knicks get: Mozgov, Brooklyn pick+bunch of other picks, trade exception

[jrong]

Oh God, please let this happen. Let's put the final nails in any kind of comparison between LBJ and MJ once and for all. Because this would be even worse than what he had in Miami and now in Cleveland.

On the Heat, you had two alpha-level players and a beta (Bosh played the role of an alpha in Toronto, but he was never that caliber). Same thing on the current Cavs-- Kyrie is alpha-level but Love isn't, although he functioned as one on the Wolves.

But, if this trade goes through, Cleveland has three alpha-types. I think you have to go back to that early 80s Lakers team where Bob McAdoo joined Magic and Kareem to find any kind of precedent for this.

So do it. And then win all the championships, Bron. It won't matter because the ceiling of your legacy will still be fixed in stone. Plus, it will be really funny when GSW still beats you. Or you lose in the ECSFs because, come on... Melo. Lmao.

And if Boston with Love knocks him out (because that would be a great fit), that would be the sweetest serendipity of all.

[MMM]

Hehe, I've been saying this trade should happen for a long time now.

So something like this?

Cavs get: Melo, Olynyk/Jerebko
Boston get: Love
Knicks get: Mozgov, Brooklyn pick+bunch of other picks, trade exception

Why would Boston do that???

[TheImmortal]

Cavs would be scary good offensively.. They'd probably be a matchup nightmare to the Warriors with Melo, Kyrie and LeBron to deal with... :eek:

[Hittin_Shots]

Hehe, I've been saying this trade should happen for a long time now.

So something like this?

Cavs get: Melo, Olynyk/Jerebko
Boston get: Love
Knicks get: Mozgov, Brooklyn pick+bunch of other picks, trade exception

I'd prefer Olynik.. doesn't take much to be better defensively than love. If Olynik took as many shots in as many minutes as love stats would Prolly look very similar.

[uber]

http://i.imgur.com/T2PoGgm.jpg

this guy isn't leaving NY

[stalkerforlife]

Oh God, please let this happen. Let's put the final nails in any kind of comparison between LBJ and MJ once and for all. Because this would be even worse than what he had in Miami and now in Cleveland.

On the Heat, you had two alpha-level players and a beta (Bosh played the role of an alpha in Toronto, but he was never that caliber). Same thing on the current Cavs-- Kyrie is alpha-level but Love isn't, although he functioned as one on the Wolves.

But, if this trade goes through, Cleveland has three alpha-types. I think you have to go back to that early 80s Lakers team where Bob McAdoo joined Magic and Kareem to find any kind of precedent for this.

So do it. And then win all the championships, Bron. It won't matter because the ceiling of your legacy will still be fixed in stone. Plus, it will be really funny when GSW still beats you. Or you lose in the ECSFs because, come on... Melo. Lmao.

And if Boston with Love knocks him out (because that would be a great fit), that would be the sweetest serendipity of all.

Nikka, you STILL need confirmation? :biggums:

[Pointguard]

Not happening. Nonsense clickbait.

The idea of trading Love for Ariza/Howard is equally as stupid. Maybe moreso.

I'd be all for going after Ariza, but the idea of somehow including Love in that kind of trade is ludicrous. Guy has seriously gotten underrated, as has his contract situation and age.

Maybe we can trade Kyrie for Kobe while we're at it? Is Jason Kidd still available? Ray Allen?
I hope so. Mello is a lot better than people think.

[Patrick Chewing]

Hehe, I've been saying this trade should happen for a long time now.

So something like this?

Cavs get: Melo, Olynyk/Jerebko
Boston get: Love
Knicks get: Mozgov, Brooklyn pick+bunch of other picks, trade exception


I just came.


Edit: I think I read elsewhere that the Cavs will just get Melo and maybe a filler, but the Knicks would also get Marcus Smart.

[Done_And_Done]

I just came.


Edit: I think I read elsewhere that the Cavs will just get Melo and maybe a filler, but the Knicks would also get Marcus Smart.

That would be a beauty deal for you guys.
Knicks instantly get younger and picks to supplment what you don't have in this years draft.

[RedBlackAttack]

Guys, this is all nonsense. I know it is fun to talk about, but Isola pulled it out of thin air. I have been told that the Cavs are listening to offers for Love (not making calls), but there is nothing to see with this Knicks situation.

The Cavs would actually be more likely to just deal directly with the Celtics if they want him so bad. They have pieces that make more sense for the Cavs (Crowder, Bradley, BRK pick) than Melo at this stage of his career.

Fact is, Melo makes no sense on this team. We get older, the window gets much smaller and we add another ball dominant scorer who does not play defense.

[MMM]

I just came.


Edit: I think I read elsewhere that the Cavs will just get Melo and maybe a filler, but the Knicks would also get Marcus Smart.


LOL

If anyone thinks the Celtics are trading
Smart
KO
JJ
And 16 BK pick

For Love

[Done_And_Done]

Guys, this is all nonsense. I know it is fun to talk about, but Isola pulled it out of thin air. I have been told that the Cavs are listening to offers for Love (not making calls), but there is nothing to see with this Knicks situation.

The Cavs would actually be more likely to just deal directly with the Celtics if they want him so bad. They have pieces that make more sense for the Cavs (Crowder, Bradley, BRK pick) than Melo at this stage of his career.

Fact is, Melo makes no sense on this team. We get older, the window gets much smaller and we add another ball dominant scorer who does not play defense.

Makes sense

[jbryan1984]

I mean, I know this is picking up steam but at the end of the day, I just don't see us doing this. Carmelo Anthony is useless unless he is in position to score. He don't pass, he don't defend. Its not the player we need next to LeBron and they know this.

[Draz]

Please cavs, take him

Not for love though

[uber]

https://twitter.com/SiriusXMNBA/status/698525654984167425

[pegasus]

Guys, this is all nonsense. I know it is fun to talk about, but Isola pulled it out of thin air. I have been told that the Cavs are listening to offers for Love (not making calls), but there is nothing to see with this Knicks situation.

The Cavs would actually be more likely to just deal directly with the Celtics if they want him so bad. They have pieces that make more sense for the Cavs (Crowder, Bradley, BRK pick) than Melo at this stage of his career.

Fact is, Melo makes no sense on this team. We get older, the window gets much smaller and we add another ball dominant scorer who does not play defense.
You're overestimating Lebron's thought process.

[DMAVS41]

According to my pretty reliable sources... there does seem to be some kind of conversation taking place regarding Love and Melo. :facepalm

God no.

I don't like it either for a variety of reasons, but it does give you guys a better chance to win this year and next year than with Love.

Long term it's bad though, but as I have said before, I just don't think Love/Irving are winning anything without a very good to elite Lebron anyway...so the future isn't hit that hard in my opinion.

My biggest problem is that there is way more out there, likely, in which the Cavs could get creative with if they are trading Love.

[T_L_P]

Not only is Love better than Melo, he's like 5 years younger.

Why would the Cavs do this?

[Patrick Chewing]

Not only is Love better than Melo, he's like 5 years younger.

Why would the Cavs do this?


Love is soft. Doesn't fit Lebron's style. I'd take Love over Melo simply for his contract.

[MMM]

Love is soft. Doesn't fit Lebron's style. I'd take Love over Melo simply for his contract.

I agree that Love doesn't fit Bronball but Melo would be a worse fit

[Im Still Ballin]

If they could somehow get Dwight without giving up Love

That'd be the best scenario

I still like Dwight/Ariza for Love/Mozgov

Makes them alot better suited for the inevitable golden state finals opposition. You can get away with Ariza and Lebron playing PF... Thompson can come in and cover if such is being exploited.

[TAZORAC]

I'd like to see Love go to another team. The guy is wasting his prime in Cleveland being asked to do things he can't do which makes the rest of his game suffer. He can go to any team and be back to a 20/10 guy overnight. Lebron ball is sucking the life out of his career at this point

Yea Love could be a 20/10 guy while his team loses. Love is a role player. He's like in the same category as somebody like Al Horford, maybe not even as good.

[WorldWarriors]

Melo says he's not going anywhere. Knicks really should try to convince him otherwise. But he really has the last word.

[Patrick Chewing]

Melo says he's not going anywhere. Knicks really should try to convince him otherwise. But he really has the last word.


They could always bench his ass till he gives in :lol

[Fallen Angel]

If they could somehow get Dwight without giving up Love

That'd be the best scenario

I still like Dwight/Ariza for Love/Mozgov

Makes them alot better suited for the inevitable golden state finals opposition. You can get away with Ariza and Lebron playing PF... Thompson can come in and cover if such is being exploited.
Love and Mozgov are not worth Dwight and Ariza.

Love is not worth Dwight and Ariza.

Stop pitching Ariza in these deals.

[Lebron23]

This trade ain't going to happen according to Carmelo Anthony.

[SwishSquared]

Love and Mozgov are not worth Dwight and Ariza.

Love is not worth Dwight and Ariza.

Stop pitching Ariza in these deals.You're overvaluing Dwight on an expiring and Ariza in his tail-end prime years (on a great contract). Mid-prime Love on long term deal nets more in a trade, I'd presume.

And I'm a big fan of Ariza's game.

[smoovegittar]

11 pages dedicated to Frank Asshola, the biggest NY troll of all.

Guy isn't even allowed to get interviews from MSG media. :facepalm

Nice going, OP.

addendum: Melo wants NY. ie: he won't leave.

[WorldWarriors]

They could always bench his ass till he gives in :lol LOL fat chance that happens.

[Fallen Angel]

You're overvaluing Dwight on an expiring and Ariza in his tail-end prime years (on a great contract). Mid-prime Love on long term deal nets more in a trade, I'd presume.

And I'm a big fan of Ariza's game.
Cleveland would be getting Dwight Howard's bird rights if they were to trade for him. That means they could go over the cap to re-sign him.

Dwight would have the same role as Lebron, taking 1+1 contracts and opting out every season to give room to the Cavaliers to sign free agents, and when they're signed they both can re-sign with the team on their own.

Dwight gives Cleveland flexibility in Free Agency, Kevin Love doesn't.

In terms of on-court production, Dwight would still be an elite center whether he's apart of the Rockets or Cavaliers. Kevin Love is an afterthought and is not worth the $19M price tag.

Dwight for Love is equal in value, adding anything from Houston's side would be overpaying for a big man who can't play defense or the center position.

[ALBballer]

I wonder if the Knicks/Cavs/Magic could pull off a deal instead.

Cavs Get: Melo, Frye,
Magic Get: Kevin Love
Knicks Get: Mario Hezonja, Jason Smith and 1st from Magic

Cavs get a Frye a veteran stretch 4 and Melo. Adds to their depth.

Magic get a legitimate star to surround their young team. Let's be honest, Orlando is a small market team and it will be tough for them to sign a legitimate star.

Knicks dump Melo and get a young prospect and a 1st.

[VengefulAngel]

I wonder if the Knicks/Cavs/Magic could pull off a deal instead.

Cavs Get: Melo, Frye,
Magic Get: Kevin Love
Knicks Get: Mario Hezonja, Channing Frye, Jason 1st from Magic

Cavs get a stretch 4 and Melo, Magic get a legitimate star and a bunch of young players, Knicks dump Melo and get a young prospect and a 1st.

Frye must be super talented if he can play for two teams.

[ALBballer]

Frye must be super talented if he can play for two teams.

Super-talented. He returns back to his hometown and gets to play on Championship caliber team at the same. A win/win.

[SwishSquared]

Cleveland would be getting Dwight Howard's bird rights if they were to trade for him. That means they could go over the cap to re-sign him.

Dwight would have the same role as Lebron, taking 1+1 contracts and opting out every season to give room to the Cavaliers to sign free agents, and when they're signed they both can re-sign with the team on their own.

Dwight gives Cleveland flexibility in Free Agency, Kevin Love doesn't.

In terms of on-court production, Dwight would still be an elite center whether he's apart of the Rockets or Cavaliers. Kevin Love is an afterthought and is not worth the $19M price tag.

Dwight for Love is equal in value, adding anything from Houston's side would be overpaying for a big man who can't play defense or the center position.You're overvaluing the ability to give Howard up to $179M/5 years this summer. He's already going to get up to 35% of the cap on his next deal (unlike Durant, for example, this summer) and he has a sketchy injury history. I'd wager he goes for the long term contract instead of doing 1+1s. Also, doing a 1+1 doesn't give CLE any extra room to get more players, unless he willingly takes a sizeable paycut. LBJ doing 1+1s has yet to do anything beneficial for CLE in terms of making room for FAs- it's only to maximize his earnings and leverage. Nothing Dwight has done in his career suggests that he will take an annual paycut, especially since he has a bad injury history, though that could certainly change. In theory, both guys doing 1+1s can give them flexibility. I think it's unrealistic to believe that they actually would take paycuts while they're in their prime earnings years still (not to mention additional PR backlash...).

Dwight's an elite defensive center and an average offensive center, who increasingly doesn't want to run his most effective play (as a dive man in the PnR). It exhausts him. He has value as a lob guy on cuts, though, which helps.

You're really overvaluing the ability to paying an aging center increasingly more money as opposed to 5 years of capped pay to Love. If Dwights gets a contract paying him the max for just 1 year next season, he's going to make $10M more than Love. That's a massive difference.

The fact you think Cleveland is getting equal value, or more, in a Dwight/Love trade is baffling me. You can't play Love on D against the best 2 teams in the league in crunch time, yet Dwight may be unplayable until the last 2 minutes anyway, depending on how Lue would theoretically handle a hacking situation.

[jbryan1984]

If Dwight Howard could not cause any problems..... Then sure, I would trade Love and Mozgov for him. But, anywhere that guy goes, he is cancer. I would rather keep our current core of LeBron/Kyrie/Love and pick up someone for nothing like a Joe Johnson buyout or something like that. I don't like the idea of giving up one of our core guys for Carmelo Anthony who is a one dimension player or Dwight Howard who is a drama problem.

[RedBlackAttack]

If Dwight Howard could not cause any problems..... Then sure, I would trade Love and Mozgov for him. But, anywhere that guy goes, he is cancer. I would rather keep our current core of LeBron/Kyrie/Love and pick up someone for nothing like a Joe Johnson buyout or something like that. I don't like the idea of giving up one of our core guys for Carmelo Anthony who is a one dimension player or Dwight Howard who is a drama problem.
Word on the street is Joe Johnson wants nothing to do with a buy-out and will not agree to a taking a penny less than what he is owed. Most guys who have accumulated 10s of millions of dollars over the course of their careers are willing to forego a few extra million in order to go from a hopeless situation to competing for a title. JJ doesn't seem to give a sh!t, which makes me wonder if he would be good for this team.

He would be a nice addition, but it seems unlikely atm.

Love isn't going to be traded unless Boston is willing to make a huge offer, like Crowder, Bradley and the Brooklyn pick.

[Lebron23]

I only trade him for Blake Griffin, or Howard/Ariza. Melo is washed up right now. Love is better than him.

Love is actually a better fit for the Clippers because they have a good shot blocker in Jordan, and it's gonna hide his defensive weakness.

A trio of Griffin, LeBron, and Irving that's very fun in the open court, and they can also run some pick and roll plays.

Griffin is also a better defender than Love. ans just last year he had his best performance in his playoffs career.

[WorldWarriors]

These guys were all in the same draft class. Amazing. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CbHZWBEUEAEdeUk.jpg

[DMAVS41]

Word on the street is Joe Johnson wants nothing to do with a buy-out and will not agree to a taking a penny less than what he is owed. Most guys who have accumulated 10s of millions of dollars over the course of their careers are willing to forego a few extra million in order to go from a hopeless situation to competing for a title. JJ doesn't seem to give a sh!t, which makes me wonder if he would be good for this team.

He would be a nice addition, but it seems unlikely atm.

Love isn't going to be traded unless Boston is willing to make a huge offer, like Crowder, Bradley and the Brooklyn pick.

I'm assuming there is no way Boston gives up that much...

However, would you do Love for Lee's contract, Crowder, and the Brooklyn pick?

With a plan to flip the pick and turn it into something nice...like potentially shedding Andy and adding Morris, Booker, Tucker from the Suns...something like that?

[SwishSquared]

I'm assuming there is no way Boston gives up that much...

However, would you do Love for Lee's contract, Crowder, and the Brooklyn pick?

With a plan to flip the pick and turn it into something nice...like potentially shedding Andy and adding Morris, Booker, Tucker from the Suns...something like that?Flip Lee + Brooklyn pick for Gallo and Andy for Morris/Booker/Tucker! Btw I've been meaning to respond to your last post in that Kevin Love trade thread. Look for that later today :cheers:

[Milbuck]

Boston should just be patient and hold on to that pick imo... I think a lot of people here are undervaluing that pick, we're talking a pick that right now is the 3rd seed for #TankForSimmons, a potential franchise changing prospect right there for the taking. Perhaps two, maybe 3 if Ingram and Bender pan out. Love is a very good player but they're really setting themselves up to treadmill, does anyone seriously believe that Boston + Love is ever going to challenge the GS machine, SA or OKC this year and whatever juggernaut KD forms if he happens to leave?

[SwishSquared]

Boston should just be patient and hold on to that pick imo... I think a lot of people here are undervaluing that pick, we're talking a pick that right now is the 3rd seed for #TankForSimmons, a potential franchise changing prospect right there for the taking. Perhaps two, maybe 3 if Ingram and Bender pan out. Love is a very good player but they're really setting themselves up to treadmill, does anyone seriously believe that Boston + Love is ever going to challenge the GS machine, SA or OKC this year and whatever juggernaut KD forms if he happens to leave?They're better off hoping that Brooklyn doesn't improve the rest of the year, but there's a good chance that the T-Wolves and more likely, Suns finish in the bottom 3. Heck, Phoenix could slip into the bottom 2 at this rate.

The top 2 of this draft seems very strong and Bender looks like he can be a really, really good, if not great, player. After that, the draft is meh imo because it seems to have really good depth for rotation and role players. Boston needs an offensive stalwart that's taller than 5'9", so I think that's why Ainge has been sniffing around deals.

They did a really good job finding supporting guys, but if the Brooklyn pick is like 4-6, it's not as favorable to me. I almost like the prospects in the 10-20 range more than the 4-9 range. They can always reach for a guy or trade down, but teams may lowball them (especially after they offered lots of pieces to try to go from 16 to 9 last year).

There's also the argument that the odds of that pick turning into a Love-caliber player is not that high, which does have some validity.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Watching VA/Duke right now. I'd rather have Brandon Ingram.

[bigt]

Boston should just be patient and hold on to that pick imo... I think a lot of people here are undervaluing that pick, we're talking a pick that right now is the 3rd seed for #TankForSimmons, a potential franchise changing prospect right there for the taking. Perhaps two, maybe 3 if Ingram and Bender pan out. Love is a very good player but they're really setting themselves up to treadmill, does anyone seriously believe that Boston + Love is ever going to challenge the GS machine, SA or OKC this year and whatever juggernaut KD forms if he happens to leave?

As a Boston fan I'd really only be for trading that Brooklyn pick for Love if we were also managing to bring in a second big name (like if we somehow miraculously got Durant in free agency). This Boston team isn't going to become a true contender with just Love added to the team. With all the trade chips we have though we'll need to do something with it, so if that Brooklyn pick does go I trust Ainge knows what he's doing.

The pick itself is a dicey one. It's a top heavy draft and it could very easily fall just out of that mark given the league right now. Whether we trade it or hold onto it, the final decision will either be a genius one or make us look stupid.

[Real Men Wear Green]

As a Boston fan I'd really only be for trading that Brooklyn pick for Love if we were also managing to bring in a second big name (like if we somehow miraculously got Durant in free agency). This Boston team isn't going to become a true contender with just Love added to the team. With all the trade chips we have though we'll need to do something with it, so if that Brooklyn pick does go I trust Ainge knows what he's doing.
Agreed with this. I see a guy like Love or even moreso Dwight Howard coming here and either barely or not at all improving the team and it ends up effecting them mentally (especially Howard). The current Celtic bigs are not stars and never will be but they work well within Stevens' system. If Ainge brings in Love and starts selling him as the guy that brings in another Championship there's going to be a lot of disappointment. We could discuss the reasons why all night but the bottom line is when he was the #1 option his teams weren't very good and now that he's on a good team he's an afterthought that appears to make little difference to the point where on a number of occasions we've seen Cleveland bench him in the 4th with the game on the line.

[Milbuck]

They're better off hoping that Brooklyn doesn't improve the rest of the year, but there's a good chance that the T-Wolves and more likely, Suns finish in the bottom 3. Heck, Phoenix could slip into the bottom 2 at this rate.

The top 2 of this draft seems very strong and Bender looks like he can be a really, really good, if not great, player. After that, the draft is meh imo because it seems to have really good depth for rotation and role players. Boston needs an offensive stalwart that's taller than 5'9", so I think that's why Ainge has been sniffing around deals.

They did a really good job finding supporting guys, but if the Brooklyn pick is like 4-6, it's not as favorable to me. I almost like the prospects in the 10-20 range more than the 4-9 range. They can always reach for a guy or trade down, but teams may lowball them (especially after they offered lots of pieces to try to go from 16 to 9 last year).

There's also the argument that the odds of that pick turning into a Love-caliber player is not that high, which does have some validity.
Makes sense, I'm not saying don't trade the pick under any circumstance, but just if the return is Love. The draft isn't that special after the top 2-3, but I think the top 2-3, at least the #1 (which they have a serious shot at) are special enough in terms of upside, whether they reach Love's level or not, where you need to be getting a legit franchise changing player to give up those chances. I just don't think Love is that guy. I think Cousins is a two-way monster who could take this Boston team to championship level. Under Stevens, with all that defense/toughness/team first mentality and supporting talent around him..Cousins would be a top 3-5 player easily. Sucks that Sac is adamant about not trading him.

[SwishSquared]

Makes sense, I'm not saying don't trade the pick under any circumstance, but just if the return is Love. The draft isn't that special after the top 2-3, but I think the top 2-3, at least the #1 (which they have a serious shot at) are special enough in terms of upside, whether they reach Love's level or not, where you need to be getting a legit franchise changing player to give up those chances. I just don't think Love is that guy. I think Cousins is a two-way monster who could take this Boston team to championship level. Under Stevens, with all that defense/toughness/team first mentality and supporting talent around him..Cousins would be a top 3-5 player easily. Sucks that Sac is adamant about not trading him.Oh I agree- Love's basically limited to being a one way player at this stage. He's passable on D against basically all non contenders, but he's really tough to play against the Dubs (and to a lesser extent vs. the Spurs). I also think Cleveland's problem is more of a fit issue since LBJ's best offensive position is also PF since his jumpshot might be irreparable now. If he begins to hit corners 3s again, it can make the Cavs a lot tougher to defend and makes a 2-big lineup more effective.

One thing to note though is that Boston might have the needed perimeter defenders to cover up Love (as they do now for Sully and KO). Losing Crowder (assuming he'd be moved to Cleveland) would be a big blow though. Not sure how big of a FA draw Love would be, but other guys may seem him as a foundational offensive star to play alongside since Boston figures to have another max contract spot this summer.

I'm with you- Simmons could be the best player of his generation and Ingram could be a 2-way monster himself. I'm on the Bender bandwagon, as he could be a really smart, rim-protecting, floor-spacing big man. That's basically a unicorn in the league right now.

Basically, Cousins would be a better player for the Cs to go after, but like you said, Sacramento won't free him just yet.

[SpecialQue]

If they could somehow get Dwight without giving up Love

That'd be the best scenario

:facepalm

[Im Still Ballin]

If they can get Dwight without giving up Love

That'd be the best scenario