so the 3rd best player of all-time teamed up with..

[buddha]

the 27th and 86th best players of all-time and went 2/4 in the finals, while almost losing one of those finals in game 6 if it wasn't for the 50th best player of all-time making the most clutch 3 pointer in finals history.

so really the only finals those 3 guys really won was against a bunch of 22 year olds.. and those guys needed the help of the refs and a bunch of role players like Mike Miller and Shane Battier shooting 50% from 3?

lmao

what a bunch of manufactured superstars.

[JohnFreeman]

It's an ESPN list

chill

[masonanddixon]

It's an ESPN list

chill

ESPN used to ride Kobe's dick nearly as hard up until the rape case.

[raprap]

The meltdown is so epic. It's been what, 2 weeks now? :roll:

[AintNoSunshine]

No 12 teamed up with whatever top 10 Shaq was at and with the GOAT coach only won 3. Lebron won 2 with Wade being unhealthy half the time.

[ShawkFactory]

"really the only finals they won" was in 2012?

They actually REALLY did win in 2013. The win was not voided.

[Quickening]

No 12 teamed up with whatever top 10 Shaq was at and with the GOAT coach only won 3. Lebron won 2 with Wade being unhealthy half the time.
OP wrecked :applause:

[AirBonner]

The meltdown is so epic. It's been what, 2 weeks now? :roll:
Its hard times for kobe stans. The hero they have propped up for years is just not viewed the same to normal intelligent people :lol

[sd3035]

The meltdown is so epic. It's been what, 2 weeks now? :roll:

:biggums:

[raprap]

:biggums:
Is it not? Tell me how many weeks you've been melting down boy. :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

ESPN used to ride Kobe's dick nearly as hard up until the rape case.

Maybe in 2003 when he got more MVP votes than Shaq but other than that they have been disrespecting him for years.

[SouBeachTalents]

You're telling me he played with not only the 27th best player of all time, but the EIGHTY SIXTH best player of all time too? Talk about ****ing stacked. Looking at the rest of the top 10, no way did they play with such talent.

Jordan had the 25th & 64th
Russell had the 28th, 39th, & 78th
Kareem had the 4th, 12th, & 43rd
Wilt had the 13th & 24th
Magic had the 2nd & 43rd
Bird had the 31st, 57th, & 84th
Duncan had the 20th, 58th, & 61st
Shaq had the 12th & 27th
Kobe had the 9th & 56th

But LeBron playing with the 86th greatest player of all time, just ridiculously stacked

[Lebron23]

Thread backfired in the OP's face.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Shaq had the 12th & 27th
Kobe had the 9th & 56th

But LeBron playing with the 86th greatest player of all time, just ridiculously stacked


uhh fail..how many of those guys played on the same team at the same time like the big 3 in miami? I guess that I missed the Shaq/Kobe/Gasol Lakers and the Shaq/Kobe/Wade HEAT


:oldlol: :oldlol:

[sdot_thadon]

You're telling me he played with not only the 27th best player of all time, but the EIGHTY SIXTH best player of all time too? Talk about ****ing stacked. Looking at the rest of the top 10, no way did they play with such talent.

Jordan had the 25th & 64th
Russell had the 28th, 39th, & 78th
Kareem had the 4th, 12th, & 43rd
Wilt had the 13th & 24th
Magic had the 2nd & 43rd
Bird had the 31st, 57th, & 84th
Duncan had the 20th, 58th, & 61st
Shaq had the 12th & 27th
Kobe had the 9th & 56th

But LeBron playing with the 86th greatest player of all time, just ridiculously stacked
Roadkill.

[buddha]

You're telling me he played with not only the 27th best player of all time, but the EIGHTY SIXTH best player of all time too? Talk about ****ing stacked. Looking at the rest of the top 10, no way did they play with such talent.

Jordan had the 25th & 64th
Russell had the 28th, 39th, & 78th
Kareem had the 4th, 12th, & 43rd
Wilt had the 13th & 24th
Magic had the 2nd & 43rd
Bird had the 31st, 57th, & 84th
Duncan had the 20th, 58th, & 61st
Shaq had the 12th & 27th
Kobe had the 9th & 56th

But LeBron playing with the 86th greatest player of all time, just ridiculously stacked

lol Wilt Chamberlain was the first LeBron, regular season stat-padder who couldn't cut it when the pressure was turned up. Only got 2 championships despite being the "best player in the world".

otherwise let's look at that list..

Jordan is a 6 time champ
Russell is an 11 time champ
Kareem is a 5 time champ
Magic is a 5 time champ
Bird is a 3 time champ
Duncan is a 5 time champ
Shaq is a 4 time champ
Kobe is a 5 time champ

yeah thanks for proving my point, talented people win championships when they team up with other talented people.

LBJ tho! 2/6 lmaoooooooooooooooooooooooooo

#manufacturedsuperstar

so why exactly is LeBron rated above all these players? because he stat pads better than them? he's not a better player, he played with just as much talent if not more than most of those guys and went 2/6 about to be 2/7.

[buddha]

^ roadkill

[GrapeApe]

What do career rankings have to do with anything? Actual performance is all that matters. Shaq didn't play like the 9th best player ever in 2006. Wade didn't play like the 27th best player ever in 2013 & 2014. Bosh didn't play like a top 100 player in 2014. By OP's logic, if Michael Jordan came out of retirement he'd still be the best player in the game due to his all-time ranking.

I'm also not understanding the logic of discrediting titles due to contributions from role players. Every team in history to win a title has had important contributions from non-stars.

[buddha]

career achievements are how you rank the greatest of all-time

otherwise if we just went off regular season performance and primes players like Tracy McGrady would be top 10.

[SouBeachTalents]

career achievements are how you rank the greatest of all-time

otherwise if we just went off regular season performance and primes players like Tracy McGrady would be top 10.

That's just idiotic. If Player A was teammates with '03 McGrady, and Player B was teammates with '03 Jordan, based on this logic Player B played with a significantly better teammate/the "GOAT"

[GrapeApe]

career achievements are how you rank the greatest of all-time

otherwise if we just went off regular season performance and primes players like Tracy McGrady would be top 10.

I understand that, but an all-time ranking is meaningless if a player doesn't perform to the level of their ranking. For example, players like current Kobe, Duncan, Wade, Dirk, Garnett, etc.... are nowhere near the players that earned their high all-time ranking. Their all-time great status as players is irrelevant to this season.

[buddha]

I understand that, but an all-time ranking is meaningless if a player doesn't perform to the level of their ranking. For example, players like current Kobe, Duncan, Wade, Dirk, Garnett, etc.... are nowhere near the players that earned their high all-time ranking. Their all-time great status as players is irrelevant to this season.

bruh, Wade and Bosh were still great players when they played with LeBron in Miami. Their stats suffered because of LeBron ball but they were still top 10 players in the NBA.

[buddha]

That's just idiotic. If Player A was teammates with '03 McGrady, and Player B was teammates with '03 Jordan, based on this logic Player B played with a significantly better teammate/the "GOAT"

greatest of all-time means the best player who had the best career bro

it doesn't mean the best player who had the best single season or string of few years.

you obviously don't understand how rankings work.

even though Wade and Bosh were 27th and 86th all-time they were current top 10 players in the world when LeBron was the number 1 player in the world playing with them in Miami. all-time rankings are a completely different thing.

[SouBeachTalents]

greatest of all-time means the best player who had the best career bro

it doesn't mean the best player who had the best single season or string of few years.

you obviously don't understand how rankings work.

even though Wade and Bosh were 27th and 86th all-time they were current top 10 players in the world when LeBron was the number 1 player in the world playing with them in Miami. all-time rankings are a completely different thing.

Lol, I understand how all time rankings work. But in terms of gauging how much "help" a player had, GrapeApe is right, all that really matters is how their teammates performed. You could claim LeBron had "top 10 all time" Shaq in 2010, but it'd be disingenuous considering he was a shell of himself.

And I'd disagree with your second point. Bosh imo has never been a top 10 player in the league. Dude has had zero postseason success on his own, has been All-NBA once in 12 seasons, and has never been a threat to win MVP or lead the league in any statistical category. And he wasn't even CLOSE to being a top 10 player in the league once he joined Miami. And after their 27 game winning streak, Wade wasn't close to playing like a top 10 player anymore either

[buddha]

Lol, I understand how all time rankings work. But in terms of gauging how much "help" a player had, GrapeApe is right, all that really matters is how their teammates performed. You could claim LeBron had "top 10 all time" Shaq in 2010, but it'd be disingenuous considering he was a shell of himself.

And I'd disagree with your second point. Bosh imo has never been a top 10 player in the league. Dude has had zero postseason success on his own, has been All-NBA once in 12 seasons, and has never been a threat to win MVP or lead the league in any statistical category. And he wasn't even CLOSE to being a top 10 player in the league once he joined Miami. And after their 27 game winning streak, Wade wasn't close to playing like a top 10 player anymore either

wade averaged 25/5/5 the first year of the big three

and fine, let's just call Bosh a top 15 player then which he easily was.

[tmacattack33]

You're telling me he played with not only the 27th best player of all time, but the EIGHTY SIXTH best player of all time too? Talk about ****ing stacked. Looking at the rest of the top 10, no way did they play with such talent.

Jordan had the 25th & 64th
Russell had the 28th, 39th, & 78th
Kareem had the 4th, 12th, & 43rd
Wilt had the 13th & 24th
Magic had the 2nd & 43rd
Bird had the 31st, 57th, & 84th
Duncan had the 20th, 58th, & 61st
Shaq had the 12th & 27th
Kobe had the 9th & 56th

But LeBron playing with the 86th greatest player of all time, just ridiculously stacked

Yeah, what he said.

Also, in 2012, Chris Bosh was injured for round 2 and 3 of the playoffs, and he played in round 4 but obviously was not 100%. So, in that year, Lebron only had one star around him. It was truly amazing.

And of course by 2014, Wade and Bosh were not in their primes anymore.

[SouBeachTalents]

wade averaged 25/5/5 the first year of the big three

and fine, let's just call Bosh a top 15 player then which he easily was.

I'd agree with Bosh. And Wade was still a top 5 player that first season together, and was top 10 in 2012 & the 2013 regular season. 2013 playoffs on his played dipped pretty significantly

[Hittin_Shots]

Are you saying that Kobe lost with #9,#16 and #41?

[JebronLames]

You have to think about how players complement each other. Wade never complemented LeBron. Bosh was forced to be a defensive player because they couldn't find a center. Wade declined in the playoffs, yet they still won. No other perimeter player in history win in 2013 except LeBron. That's why LeBron is#3 all time. If you don't agree, you know nothing about basketball.

[hiphopfan777]

I know. Tbeyhating because he is black