Former NBA Player: Never Liked Kobe, Couldn

[JohnMax]

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TMZ with another scoop.

[TheMarkMadsen]

“Personally, I never really liked Kobe,” Pollard said on CBS Sports Radio’s Tiki and Tierney. “I didn’t like the way he carried himself, but I absolutely respect the way he played the game. If I was a GM, I absolutely want him on my team. I got to find the right guys that can play with him, but there’s very few players you’d want in front of him in the history of the NBA having the ball in the fourth quarter with the game on the line. He absolutely was a closer. I wouldn’t want to play with him. I think he made the team about him as opposed to making the team about winning. Did he win a championship without Shaq?”

Yeah, he won 2. Good ol' Kobe haters never the type to let facts get in the way

[KingLeBronJames]

Yeah, he won 2.
Lol WTF? Who is the idiot that said that?

[TheMarkMadsen]

Lol WTF? Who is the idiot that said that?


Scott Pollard, former Kings player, the guy the in the OP

[shadow]

first thing that came to my mind was who?

[JohnFreeman]

Stay losing Queens

[Bosnian Sajo]

Yeah, he won 2. Good ol' Kobe haters never the type to let facts get in the way


Talk about thread backfiring

:oldlol:

[$LakerGold]

“Kobe didn’t have that effect on his teammates. Kobe needed Batman to his Superman. He needed another superhero to help him win. That’s the part about him that I don’t respect.”

Love the logic. Without Parker, Manu & Pop. Without Scottie, Rodman & PJax. Without Sheed, Ben Wallance, RIP Hamilton & Tayshaun. Without KG & Ray Allen. Without Wade & Chris Bosh, still lost twice, but okay. & the list goes on & on. All respect to Dirk, what a run that was.

He's basically saying what these casual fans are used to saying, this only tells me that people can be so dumb & narrow-minded. "He needed another superhero to help him.", oh jesus. The only differences are TP & Manu are both homegrown, that's where you can make your argument.

Edit: If it wasn't for Kobe's attitude, his career would've been like Lebron's first run with the Cavs - mediocre, look where that brought him.

Dumb as f*ck.

[sportjames23]

Stay losing Queens


:biggums:

Aren't you...a Quee--I mean, Kings fan?

[JohnFreeman]

:biggums:

Aren't you...a Quee--I mean, Kings fan?
Thought I would say it before anyone else

[sportjames23]

Thought I would say it before anyone else


Ah, ok. :cheers:

[SpaceJam]

Yeah, he won 2. Good ol' Kobe haters never the type to let facts get in the way

What's funny is he was on that Celtics team that beat Kobe in 07-08 like dude just completely tuned out the NBA after retiring that year? :oldlol:

[Jasper]

I'll never forget Gasol working hard down in the block to get the ball and Kobe taking a 1 on 3 contested shot.
Or Shaq in the west finals baggin' for the ball and Kobe sayin' he's the man and taking a drive into traffic and losing the series.

Those to moments defined why most NBA players would never play with Kobe.
His stats are so inflated because the last 6-8 years the team game was in the gutter. :milton

[SouBeachTalents]

Another good one TMZ, original topic too

[Town's Town]

Stay losing Queens
:biggums:

[ImKobe]

Yeah, he won 2. Good ol' Kobe haters never the type to let facts get in the way

lmfao :roll:

just some random nba scrub who was jealous of Kobe, delete this garbage thread

[LongLiveTheKing]

It's common knowledge Kobe can't carry a team needs big men.

[RoseCity07]

He didn't know Kobe got a title without Shaq. That's hard to believe. He is right though. Kobe didn't have a Jordan level impact. Kobe was just a very exciting player to watch because he took the tough shots like Jordan. The difference between Jordan's FG% and Kobe's is substantial. He's not even in the same ballpark if we're being real.

I'll always maintain that Kobe was a glorified Allen Iverson. I have doubts he could have got won win in the NBA Finals if he and AI switche teams though. Kobe was spoiled his entire NBA career. When he wasn't spoiled his team blew a 3-1 series lead to the Suns. That was Kobe as the man. Getting his ass kicked by Raja Bell.

[90sgoat]

He didn't know Kobe got a title without Shaq. That's hard to believe. He is right though. Kobe didn't have a Jordan level impact. Kobe was just a very exciting player to watch because he took the tough shots like Jordan. The difference between Jordan's FG% and Kobe's is substantial. He's not even in the same ballpark if we're being real.

I'll always maintain that Kobe was a glorified Allen Iverson. I have doubts he could have got won win in the NBA Finals if he and AI switche teams though. Kobe was spoiled his entire NBA career. When he wasn't spoiled his team blew a 3-1 series lead to the Suns. That was Kobe as the man. Getting his ass kicked by Raja Bell.

Prime Kobe was very very good. I'm not in any way a Kobe stan, but Kobe was a much better player than Iverson, much greater defensive impact in prime and a much better team player.

Prime Kobe was very exciting, had great athleticism and driving ability, great understanding of the game and one of the best scorers ever.

Kobe was only held back by Kobe and that's the sad part. If he had not taken all those bad shots with 3 guys in his face, then how much better could he have been?

Kobe is a player who was not all time elite at anything - and I'm talking top 3 - in any category, to a large extent his career was lifted into all time great territory by his incredibly willpower and intelligence. Without his personality he could have been a TMac or Iverson, but that personality also made him too much of a lone gun, he simply did not trust anyone but himself.

Of course he is easily the second best shooting guard of all time, no doubt about it.

There are going to be less and less guys like Kobe, the kind of player who loves the game, studies it, understands it, plays it with great passion. Particularly the kind of shooting guard or guard that Kobe was, these guys are not going to be common in the future.

[Rake2204]

Every star player needs quantifiable help to win an NBA championship. It's a team game, after all.

That said, I've always been interested in how the two later Lakers titles were considered to be Kobe Bryant winning them on his own. Bryant was such a huge part of that team's success, but it seems Pau Gasol gets so heavily underrated here, in my opinion.

That Lakers team would have never won without Kobe Bryant. But they also would have never won with Pau Gasol. And that's okay, because that's how teams work.

As for Pollard's comments about Bryant making the team about him instead of the team, I think there's some potential truth there. Watching him play, particularly between 2004 and 2010, I often couldn't help but think about how difficult it might be to be on his team. Bryant was often the best option every time down the floor but there's a certain degree of lack of involvement among your teammates that could eventually provide a net negative.

Of course, the Lakers put together teams that could win many times over during that decade, so it's tough to say too much. But I've played with amateur Kobe's — guys capable of dropping 50+ in rec. games who were obviously the best players on the floor — and it's often tough, because they know they're the best option and it's tough to blame them for taking shots (especially when they hit at a solid clip) but the lack of involvement of others eventually drags the team down a level (even while still winning sometimes).

Comparing that type of play to a star who's focused the well-being of the team first is night and day, and often provides a wider range of success, from my experience. But again, the Lakers front office found a unit that could work under the right conditions, so to a large degree, it's all moot.

[90sgoat]

Kobe did have A LOT of help with his two runs.

I even used to think Pasol was FMVP in the last one. He also had Bynum who was the most unstoppable low post center since Shaq. He had Odom who was a great point forward, he had Artest a great defender.

Then post-Lakers happened and we see Gasol pout and take plays off on defense, because Chicago doesn't use him correctly. We see Bynum turning into a complete headcase. Odom ends up in hospital, Artest never does anything.

There's no guarantee you put Iverson or Lebron or TMac on those Laker teams that they win. They were great teams, but chemistry, playstyle, leadership, I don't think guys like Bynum and Gasol are going to be ok with Iverson and his not showing up for practise or chucking at crazy levels, Iverson was really antisocial on the court and off. Lebron, with needing all that space, you can't play Bynum who lumbers or Gasol now turned into Chris Bosh and therefore not giving defensive effort. Artest with Iverson lol, he'd shut down and get into trouble. Artest with Tmac the soft choker? Nah.

Kobe was the soul of that team and while he did shoot too many hero shots, he also played within a system and made the correct decisions most of the time.

[HOoopCityJones]

Every star player needs quantifiable help to win an NBA championship. It's a team game, after all.

That said, I've always been interested in how the two later Lakers titles were considered to be Kobe Bryant winning them on his own. Bryant was such a huge part of that team's success, but it seems Pau Gasol gets so heavily underrated here, in my opinion.

That Lakers team would have never won without Kobe Bryant. But they also would have never won with Pau Gasol. And that's okay, because that's how teams work.

As for Pollard's comments about Bryant making the team about him instead of the team, I think there's some potential truth there. Watching him play, particularly between 2004 and 2010, I often couldn't help but think about how difficult it might be to be on his team. Bryant was often the best option every time down the floor but there's a certain degree of lack of involvement among your teammates that could eventually provide a net negative.

Of course, the Lakers put together teams that could win many times over during that decade, so it's tough to say too much. But I've played with amateur Kobe's — guys capable of dropping 50+ in rec. games who were obviously the best players on the floor — and it's often tough, because they know they're the best option and it's tough to blame them for taking shots (especially when they hit at a solid clip) but the lack of involvement of others eventually drags the team down a level (even while still winning sometimes).

Comparing that type of play to a star who's focused the well-being of the team first is night and day, and often provides a wider range of success, from my experience. But again, the Lakers front office found a unit that could work under the right conditions, so to a large degree, it's all moot.


It's the logic of the retarded, but it's only natural after Kobe was pegged as a byproduct of Shaq for half his career. Whatever happened next winning or losing would only enhance or decrease the notion.

But don't underestimate the Kobe hater , 6 years removed from the 2010 title we now pretend Bynum and Odom were All-stars. Pau was the only All-star those years and was only taken seriously once became a Laker.

Not saying the other two were flatout bums or overly great in their own right either, but I think the truth is somewhere in the middle.

People have to remember that aside from Gasol , the other two bigs best years came when we were already further away from being the contender we were the previous years. Odom won 6th man in 2011(swept by Dallas), Bynum earned his only All-star in 2012.

[Segatti]

Scottie Pippen >>>> Paul Gasol

[MP.Trey]

No one can win alone. Such a stupid way to evaluate someone's success.

[AlphaWolf24]

He didn't know Kobe got a title without Shaq. That's hard to believe. He is right though. Kobe didn't have a Jordan level impact. Kobe was just a very exciting player to watch because he took the tough shots like Jordan. The difference between Jordan's FG% and Kobe's is substantial. He's not even in the same ballpark if we're being real.

I'll always maintain that Kobe was a glorified Allen Iverson. I have doubts he could have got won win in the NBA Finals if he and AI switche teams though. Kobe was spoiled his entire NBA career. When he wasn't spoiled his team blew a 3-1 series lead to the Suns. That was Kobe as the man. Getting his ass kicked by Raja Bell.


:facepalm

Allen Iverson had Andre Iggy...Chris Webber....Kyle Corver and Aoron Mackie all on the same team.....

replace AI with Kobe and that team is a contender every year....with Iverson they barely win 40 games in the weak east...

GTFO with " replace Kobe with ________"...we can say that about every great player....


- every player Kobe played with from 04' - 07' dropped off the face of the planet once they left Kobe....

- even Snaq never looked as dominant without kobe.....meanwhile without Snaq Kobe put way better numbers and still nearly 3 peated.



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[AirBonner]

:facepalm

Allen Iverson had Andre Iggy...Chris Webber....Kyle Corver and Aoron Mackie all on the same team.....

replace AI with Kobe and that team is a contender every year....with Iverson they barely win 40 games in the weak east...

GTFO with " replace Kobe with ________"...we can say that about every great player....


- every player Kobe played with from 04' - 07' dropped off the face of the planet once they left Kobe....

- even Snaq never looked as dominant without kobe.....meanwhile without Snaq Kobe put way better numbers and still nearly 3 peated.



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while being the side kick to Gasol :biggums:

[HOoopCityJones]

:facepalm

Allen Iverson had Andre Iggy...Chris Webber....Kyle Corver and Aoron Mackie all on the same team.....

replace AI with Kobe and that team is a contender every year....with Iverson they barely win 40 games in the weak east...

GTFO with " replace Kobe with ________"...we can say that about every great player....


- every player Kobe played with from 04' - 07' dropped off the face of the planet once they left Kobe....

- even Snaq never looked as dominant without kobe.....meanwhile without Snaq Kobe put way better numbers and still nearly 3 peated.



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[Showtime2001]

while being the side kick to Gasol :biggums:
http://www.thesportscol.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Kobe-Bryant-hoists-his-NBA-Finals-MVP-trophy.jpg
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/NBA+Finals+Game+7+Boston+Celtics+v+Los+Angeles+Sj4 3T5Cl5okl.jpg

[TheMarkMadsen]

He also had Bynum who was the most unstoppable low post center since Shaq.

Andrew Bynum 09 playoffs = 6 & 4

Andrew Bynum 10 playoffs = 9 & 7

So unstoppable

[HOoopCityJones]

LMAO, did he really actually type that?

[Showtime2001]

Andrew Bynum 09 playoffs = 6 & 4

Andrew Bynum 10 playoffs = 9 & 7

So unstoppable
Just dominant lol.

:applause:

[AlphaWolf24]

while being the side kick to Gasol :biggums:

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/BruceBlitz/kobe1_zpsvyjkl3mq.jpg

master seagul knows whats up....you don't mess with the black mamba.

[choppermagic]

Just dominant lol.

:applause:

Exactly.

K Love is putting up 16ppg/10rpg and he's a scrub that can't support Lebron enough.

Bynum puts up 9&7 and Kobe is somehow riding his super-team to cheap championships.

[Smoke117]

True.

[HOoopCityJones]

Exactly.

K Love is putting up 16ppg/10rpg and he's a scrub that can't support Lebron enough.

Bynum puts up 9&7 and Kobe is somehow riding his super-team to cheap championships.

http://replygif.net/i/1241.gif

[IllegalD]

True.

Hypocritical Miami f*ggot, when the majority of your boy's titles were won as a Snottie Drippen 2nd fiddle and his first one was won with that same dominant big guy (who was still elite, and was an MVP candidate as recent as 2005) that you hypocrites use to devalue Kobe's first 3 championships. Not to mention the most suspect reffing/FT attempt bs in Finals history.

[Showtime2001]

Exactly.

K Love is putting up 16ppg/10rpg and he's a scrub that can't support Lebron enough.

Bynum puts up 9&7 and Kobe is somehow riding his super-team to cheap championships.
https://media.giphy.com/media/NnGGHE0muVqpO/giphy.gif

[ShawkFactory]

Hypocritical Miami f*ggot, when the majority of your boy's titles were won as a Snottie Drippen 2nd fiddle and his first one was won with that same dominant big guy (who was still elite, and was an MVP candidate as recent as 2005) that you hypocrites use to devalue Kobe's first 3 championships. Not to mention the most suspect reffing/FT attempt bs in Finals history.
Shaq averaged like 13 a game in the finals.

Far cry from his 35 a game average in the 00-02 finals.

[HOoopCityJones]

Shaq averaged like 13 a game in the finals.

Far cry from his 35 a game average in the 00-02 finals.

Gary Payton, Eddie Jones, Antoine Walker , Alonzo Mourning.


That Team wasn't just Shaq and Wade. It was full of vets who knew how to win in this league. I challenge you to find a Finals Wade has played in without multiple HoF on his Team as opposed to just one Shaq.

[IllegalD]

Shaq averaged like 13 a game in the finals.

Far cry from his 35 a game average in the 00-02 finals.

Shaq averaged 20 and 9 with 2 blocks on 60% FG during the regular season.

He averaged 18 and 10 with 2 blocks on 61% FG during the playoffs.

You stat cherry-picking homo. His stats basically comparable to what PRIME Gasol averaged during the Lakers 09-10 runs, except with an even more ridiculous FG%. And you guys supposedly say that Gasol was "so dominant" that he "carried Kobe". Yet when Shaq averages the exact same numbers in the playoffs you point to his "decline".

ISH hypocrisy exposed once more!! :dancin

[ShawkFactory]

Gary Payton, Eddie Jones, Antoine Walker , Alonzo Mourning.


That Team wasn't just Shaq and Wade. It was full of vets who knew how to win in this league. I challenge you to find a Finals Wade has played in without multiple HoF on his Team as opposed to just one Shaq.
The veteran presence was important (though Eddie Jones wasn't on the team, Payton was 37, Zo was 35, and Walker is not a HOFer or even close), but Wade did the lifting.

[IllegalD]

The veteran presence was important (though Eddie Jones wasn't on the team, Payton was 37, Zo was 35, and Walker is not a HOFer or even close), but Wade did the lifting.

Antoine Walker was a 20 and 10 allstar level player just the season before.

Gary Payton hit the 2nd biggest shot in Miami Heat Finals history (after Ray Allen's shot) when he hit the game winner in game 3 of the Finals:

https://youtu.be/YfS8lEzIVSo?t=50

Alonzo Mourning had one of the most dominant shotblocking/defensive games in NBA Finals history to close out the Mavs in Game 6:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AnTgjW46rM

[ShawkFactory]

Antoine Walker was a 20 and 10 allstar level player just the season before.

Gary Payton hit the 2nd biggest shot in Miami Heat Finals history (after Ray Allen's shot) when he hit the game winner in game 3 of the Finals:

https://youtu.be/YfS8lEzIVSo?t=50

Alonzo Mourning had one of the most dominant shotblocking/defensive games in NBA Finals history to close out the Mavs in Game 6:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AnTgjW46rM
And he was out of the league in 2 years.

Again, Wade did the lifting.

[IllegalD]

And he was out of the league in 2 years.

Again, Wade did the lifting.

I notice how you conveniently ignored all my other points, including the one I exposed you for cherry-picking stats and showed Shaq's true dominant numbers throughout the entire regular and postseason.

[Wade's Rings]

Gary Payton, Eddie Jones, Antoine Walker , Alonzo Mourning.


That Team wasn't just Shaq and Wade. It was full of vets who knew how to win in this league. I challenge you to find a Finals Wade has played in without multiple HoF on his Team as opposed to just one Shaq.

You Kobe stans are trying too hard now.

What had those vets won before '06? 37 yr old Payton putting 5ppg in the Playoffs and old Zo coming off the bench are the multiple Hall of Famers you're talking about. :roll:

[HOoopCityJones]

You Kobe stans are trying too hard now.

What had those vets won before '06? 37 yr old Payton putting 5ppg in the Playoffs and old Zo coming off the bench are the multiple Hall of Famers you're talking about. :roll:

I only return the bullshit that's dished out by your contemporaries. :cheers:

All I asked was what his FT averages was like and got shit for it.

[Wade's Rings]

I notice how you conveniently ignored all my other points, including the one I exposed you for cherry-picking stats and showed Shaq's true dominant numbers throughout the entire regular and postseason.

'06 Shaq: 18/10/2/.5/1.5 shooting 61%

'09 Gasol: 18/11/3/.8/2 shooting 58%
'09 Odom: 12/9/2/.7/1.3 shooting 52%

'10 Gasol: 20/11/4/.4/2.1 shooting 54%
'10 Odom: 10/9/2/.7/.9 shooting 47%

Payton's Game-winning basket in Game 3 happened because Wade brought the team back putting up 12pts on 71% shooting after the Heat went down 13 with 6:30 to go. Zo was huge with his defense in Game 6.

[Wade's Rings]

I only return the bullshit that's dished out by your contemporaries. :cheers:

All I asked was what his FT averages was like and got shit for it.

What Wade guys post BS like that?

[IllegalD]

I only return the bullshit that's dished out by your contemporaries. :cheers:

All I asked was what his FT averages was like and got shit for it.

These are the same fools who discredit Kobe's 2006 regular season scoring exploits (35 PPG, 81 Points, 62 in 3 quarters) because "the rules had been changed to benefit perimeter scorers". But then they want to turn around and praise Wade for exploiting those same rule changes that same season to have a "legendary playoff performance". :lol

[HOoopCityJones]

What Wade guys post BS like that?

The alcoholic ones.

[HOoopCityJones]

These are the same fools who discredit Kobe's 2006 regular season scoring exploits (35 PPG, 81 Points, 62 in 3 quarters) because "the rules had been changed to benefit perimeter scorers". But then they want to turn around and praise Wade for exploiting those same rule changes that same season to have a "legendary playoff performance". :lol

"Kobe" is the only way to sum up these biased claims.

[Wade's Rings]

The alcoholic ones.

:roll:

[SaltyMeatballs]

Scot Pollard? Is he saying all this because he was on the 08 Celtics :roll: Who is this nobody? :oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

These are the same fools who discredit Kobe's 2006 regular season scoring exploits (35 PPG, 81 Points, 62 in 3 quarters) because "the rules had been changed to benefit perimeter scorers". But then they want to turn around and praise Wade for exploiting those same rule changes that same season to have a "legendary playoff performance". :lol
Who discredits it? The rules DID change..