Shaq vs. Kobe 2001 playoffs game by game

[SouBeachTalents]

Don't think I've ever seen a game by game breakdown for this, wanted to see who was better every game during the GOAT playoff run. Bolded my selections

First Round vs. Blazers

Game 1
Shaq: 24/20/1 on 7/21
Kobe: 28/6/7 on 9/20
Too close to call

Game 2
Shaq: 32/12/5 on 14/24
Kobe: 25/3/7 on 8/11

Game 3
Shaq: 25/15/2 on 9/17
Kobe: 22/4/9 on 9/23

Western Conference Semifinals vs. Kings

Game 1
Shaq: 44/21/4 on 17/32 (7 blocks)
Kobe: 29/4/5 on 10/23

Game 2
Shaq: 43/20/2 on 18/26
Kobe: 27/9/5 on 9/19

Game 3
Shaq: 21/18/1 on 8/13
Kobe: 36/7/4 on 10/22

Game 4
Shaq: 25/10/2 on 9/16
Kobe: 48/16/3 on 15/29

Western Conference Finals vs. Spurs

Game 1
Shaq: 28/11/2 on 11/22
Kobe: 45/10/3 on 19/35

Game 2
Shaq: 19/14/4 on 8/21
Kobe: 28/7/6 on 11/24

Game 3
Shaq: 35/17/3 on 16/23
Kobe: 36/9/8 on 14/27
Too close to call

Game 4
Shaq: 26/10/1 on 11/19
Kobe: 24/2/11 on 10/19
Too close to call
(Shout out to Fisher: 28/6/5 on 11/13)

NBA Finals vs. 76ers

Game 1
Shaq: 44/20/5 on 17/28
Kobe: 15/3/5 on 7/22

Game 2
Shaq: 28/20/9 on 12/19 (8 blocks)
Kobe: 31/8/6 on 11/23

Game 3
Shaq: 30/12/3 on 11/20 (4 blocks)
Kobe: 32/6/3 on 13/30

Game 4
Shaq: 34/14/5 on 13/25
Kobe: 19/10/9 on 6/13

Game 5
Shaq: 29/13/2 on 10/18 (5 blocks)
Kobe: 26/12/6 on 7/18

Summary
First Round: Shaq 2-0-1
WCSF: Tie 2-2
WCF: Kobe 2-0-2
Finals: Shaq 5-0

Total: Shaq 9-4-3

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe outscored and out assisted Shaq through the first 3 rounds :applause:

2001 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 31.6 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.3 APG, .492 FG%
Shaq - 29.3 PPG, 15.3 RPG, 2.5 APG, .547 FG%

did the same in 2002 as well :applause:

[Showtime2001]

Kobe outscored and out assisted Shaq through the first 3 rounds :applause:

2001 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 31.6 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.3 APG, .492 FG%
Shaq - 29.3 PPG, 15.3 RPG, 2.5 APG, .547 FG%

did the same in 2002 as well :applause:
Carried doe. :oldlol:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Carried doe. :oldlol:


Kobe also led the NBA in 4th quarter playoff scoring for both 01 and 02.

[Showtime2001]

Kobe also led the NBA in 4th quarter playoff scoring for both 01 and 02.
:bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[HOoopCityJones]

What about the almighty Win Share? Funny how no one brings that up in this situation.

[ShawkFactory]

I remember that Fisher game. Shit was awesome

[Showtime2001]

What about the almighty Win Share? Funny how no one brings that up in this situation.
That would be in Kobe's favor so at the moment that is irrelevant.

[jstern]

Context. Shaq was getting trippled teamed.

[truhooper]

Their time together

Shaq: 3 Finals MVPS
Kobe: 0

[kwajo]

Context. Shaq was getting tripped teamed.
Not to mention the fact that everyone knew Shaq was the most unstoppable guy in the league, teams made roster moves to try and deal with him, there was a whole era of bench big men that basically only had jobs in the NBA because they could try and wrestle Shaq for position or foul him instead of giving up dunk after dunk after dunk.

[kwajo]

These discussions are so stupid anyway, who cares which was better? They were teammates in a team sport and were winning. They helped each other, both were amazing players, end of story.

[Dr Seuss]

Context. Shaq was getting tripped teamed.

more context. help D NEVER played off Kobe. and kobe still saw his fair share of doubles every time he put the ball on the floor from the perimeter.

[TheMarkMadsen]

"Kobe never got doubled when he played with Shaq"


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[feyki]

Kobe outscored and out assisted Shaq through the first 3 rounds :applause:

2001 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 31.6 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.3 APG, .492 FG%
Shaq - 29.3 PPG, 15.3 RPG, 2.5 APG, .547 FG%

did the same in 2002 as well :applause:

:applause: :applause:

[feyki]

"Kobe never got doubled when he played with Shaq"


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No bro , delete this . Shaq guarded by all five players .

[HOoopCityJones]

"Kobe never got doubled when he played with Shaq"


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Kobe hateful avoiding this post like the plague.

[SpaceJam]

"Kobe never got doubled when he played with Shaq"


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:biggums:

:applause:

3ball level of gif production there

[Showtime2001]

No bro , delete this . Shaq guarded by all five players .
:oldlol:

[Optimus Prime]

Kobe outscored and out assisted Shaq through the first 3 rounds :applause:

2001 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 31.6 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.3 APG, .492 FG%
Shaq - 29.3 PPG, 15.3 RPG, 2.5 APG, .547 FG%

did the same in 2002 as well :applause:

:bowdown:

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[Optimus Prime]

Kobe also led the NBA in 4th quarter playoff scoring for both 01 and 02.

Kobe not clutch doe! Blah blah advanced metrics blah blah

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[TheMarkMadsen]

https://33.media.tumblr.com/a075e2e176511a299330c6a7096a2811/tumblr_inline_mhnuz3sHOE1qz4rgp.gif

[JohnFreeman]

God damn Shaq was incredible

[stalkerforlife]

"Kobe never got doubled when he played with Shaq"


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Ether.

SHUT IT DOWN.

DAMN. :roll:

[stalkerforlife]

Those boys were doubling Kobe HARD at the 3pt line and there was no pick and roll.

aaaaaaaaaahahahahahahaha

[kuniva_dAMiGhTy]

Shaq was better. Drew more defensive attention, and when you include the finals, had greater production.

What he did to Mutombo should be legally classified as rape.

[stalkerforlife]

Thread backfired on OP hard.

DAMN.

He may go into hiding.

[Jacks3]

"Kobe never got doubled when he played with Shaq"


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Beautiful. :oldlol:

I can't believe these idiots actually think that teams were going to single-cover the best perimeter player in the world. :facepalm

[knicksman]

Bran is the anti kobe. Disappears when it matters

[stalkerforlife]

Beautiful. :oldlol:

I can't believe these idiots actually think that teams were going to single-cover the best perimeter player in the world. :facepalm

They likely weren't even born yet.

OP is like 12, I think.

[Jacks3]

True. :oldlol:

[supermechasonic]

Kobe deserves WAY more credit for his chips with Shaq than he gets.

[zoom17]

Shaq was a beast.

[Hey Yo]

Kobe deserves WAY more credit for his chips with Shaq than he gets.
Except that he shouldn't

A few gifs doesn't change the facts of Kobe's dismal Finals performances with Shaq.

[Jacks3]

Kobe 2001 had the highest on-court +/- in recorded history.

Curry 15 - 166
Ginobili 14 - 181
James 13 - 129
James 12 - 199
Dirk 11 - 170
Kobe 10 - 98
Kobe 09 - 181
Garnett 08 - 184
Duncan 07 - 82
Wade 06 - 134
Duncan 03 - 172
Shaq 02 - 118
Shaq 01 - 186
Kobe 01 - 213

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/plus_minus_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&output=total&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=ge&c4val=&order_by=diff_pts


:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Cali Syndicate]

This is why they were the best duo ever. Practically impossible to game plan for this.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Except that he shouldn't

A few gifs doesn't change the facts of Kobe's dismal Finals performances with Shaq.


01 finals = 25/8/6/1/1 on 42%, played extremely well after game 1, led the team in scoring for b2b games.

02 finals = 27/6/5 on 51% ...

in what world are these "dismal finals performances", for comparisons sake, Lebron in 13 averaged less points on worse efficiency than 02 Kobe in the finals but I'm sure you think he played really well in that series, meanwhile, Kobe scoring more on better effeciency is "abysmal"

Kobe haters man,

:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Smoke117]

Back in those days...teams game planned for Shaq...not Kobe. That's what these stans have to understand...you weren't losing sleep over what Kobe was going to do...you were worried about Shaq.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe 2001 had the highest on-court +/- in recorded history.

Curry 15 - 166
Ginobili 14 - 181
James 13 - 129
James 12 - 199
Dirk 11 - 170
Kobe 10 - 98
Kobe 09 - 181
Garnett 08 - 184
Duncan 07 - 82
Wade 06 - 134
Duncan 03 - 172
Shaq 02 - 118
Shaq 01 - 186
Kobe 01 - 213

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/plus_minus_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&output=total&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=ge&c4val=&order_by=diff_pts


:eek: :eek: :eek:


Dear Kobe haters,

CLOSE YOUR EYES

[stalkerforlife]

Kobe 2001 had the highest on-court +/- in recorded history.

Curry 15 - 166
Ginobili 14 - 181
James 13 - 129
James 12 - 199
Dirk 11 - 170
Kobe 10 - 98
Kobe 09 - 181
Garnett 08 - 184
Duncan 07 - 82
Wade 06 - 134
Duncan 03 - 172
Shaq 02 - 118
Shaq 01 - 186
Kobe 01 - 213

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/plus_minus_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&output=total&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=ge&c4val=&order_by=diff_pts


:eek: :eek: :eek:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

SHUT. IT. DOWN.

[Prime_Shaq]

Best 1-2 punch in history :applause:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Best 1-2 punch in history :applause:


:cheers: :cheers:

[Jacks3]

+/- in 2001 postseason.

Kobe: +14.2
Shaq: -0.3

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/on-off/2001/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/on-off/2001/

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[Showtime2001]

Back in those days...teams game planned for Shaq...not Kobe. That's what these stans have to understand...you weren't losing sleep over what Kobe was going to do...you were worried about Shaq.
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[TheMarkMadsen]

+/- in 2001 postseason.

Kobe: +14.2
Shaq: -0.3

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/on-off/2001/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/on-off/2001/

:eek:


http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/zomg.gif

CLOSE YOUR EYES KOBE HATERS.

[knicksman]

Shaq is like bran. Bullies weaker teams(eastern teams) then disappears when it matters(spurs). While kobe/curry doesnt give a damn about mvps/fmvps coz its for kids. They just let their rings do the talking. Alpha

[ShawkFactory]

Shaq is like bran. Bullies weaker teams(eastern teams) then disappears when it matters(spurs). While kobe/curry doesnt give a damn about mvps/fmvps coz its for kids. They just let their rings do the talking. Alpha
God you know so little about both basketball and making arguments. This is not a good place to be when you have those two weaknesses as a person.

[Wade's Rings]

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Bron was better statistically across the board. I don't see what this picture is meant to prove?

[Wade's Rings]

God you know so little about both basketball and making arguments. This is not a good place to be when you have those two weaknesses as a person.

:oldlol:

[Prime_Shaq]

Shaq is like bran. Bullies weaker teams(eastern teams) then disappears when it matters(spurs). While kobe/curry doesnt give a damn about mvps/fmvps coz its for kids. They just let their rings do the talking. Alpha
:rolleyes:

[JohnFreeman]

"LeBron stans focus on stats"

"LOOK AT KOBES +/-"

Make your fvcking minds up

[Hey Yo]

01 finals = 25/8/6/1/1 on 42%, played extremely well after game 1, led the team in scoring for b2b games.

02 finals = 27/6/5 on 51% ...

in what world are these "dismal finals performances", for comparisons sake, Lebron in 13 averaged less points on worse efficiency than 02 Kobe in the finals but I'm sure you think he played really well in that series, meanwhile, Kobe scoring more on better effeciency is "abysmal"

Kobe haters man,

:oldlol: :oldlol:
Shooting 42% with more defensive attention paid to the MDE is not that impressive.

No need for LeBron comparisons considering LeBron in 2013 was 1st option and main focus of the defense. Kobe was always 2nd option when he and MDE were on the same team.

[TheMarkMadsen]

nah, don't try to act like the last page didn't happen


Kobe 2001 had the highest on-court +/- in recorded history.

Curry 15 - 166
Ginobili 14 - 181
James 13 - 129
James 12 - 199
Dirk 11 - 170
Kobe 10 - 98
Kobe 09 - 181
Garnett 08 - 184
Duncan 07 - 82
Wade 06 - 134
Duncan 03 - 172
Shaq 02 - 118
Shaq 01 - 186
Kobe 01 - 213

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/plus_minus_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&output=total&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=ge&c4val=&order_by=diff_pts


:eek: :eek: :eek:



+/- in 2001 postseason.

Kobe: +14.2
Shaq: -0.3

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/on-off/2001/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/on-off/2001/

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[TheMarkMadsen]

Shooting 42% with more defensive attention paid to the MDE is not that impressive.

No need for LeBron comparisons considering LeBron in 2013 was 1st option and main focus of the defense. Kobe was always 2nd option when he and MDE were on the same team.

So Kobe puts up better stats = "doesn't matter"

Kobe puts up 27/6/5 on 51% = "abysmal performance"

:roll: :roll:

just shut the hell up already, you went from "Shaq got doubled every play, Kobe never got doubled" to "more defensive attention paid to Shaq" face it, you don't know shit about this subject. You weren't watching the team nor following the Lakers at the time. You literally have nothing, no leg to stand on in this argument.

Kobe led the team in scoring and assist through the first 3 rounds in 01 and 02, led the entire league in 4th quarter scoring for the playoffs in 01 and 02, played really well in the 01 finals, great in the 02 finals and yet you still sit here and try to give him zero credit and act like he was carried.

you are in some serious denial.

[Hey Yo]

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Fake stats are fake ^^^^

2001 Kobe in the Finals.....24-8-6 on 41% shooting

Shaq: 33-16-5 on 57%

[TheMarkMadsen]

Phil Jackson on Kobe during the 2001 playoffs


"I think it's the best that I've ever seen a player of mine play with an overall court game. I'm asking him to do so much, and he's accomplishing it. I never asked Michael to be a playmaker. That's the greatest player that I've ever had, that I could consider the greatest player in the game, and I never asked him to be a playmaker in those terms. I asked him to be playmaker when he was doubled or tripled. But Kobe has to set up the offense, to advance the ball, to read the defense, to make other players happy, and he's doing a great job of that."

[TheMarkMadsen]

Phil Jackson on Kobe during the 01 playoffs


"Kobe's become the floor leader of a basketball team that was kind of looking for that nature of a player, who could not only be a scorer, but also be a playmaker or consistently make big plays at critical times. So it was very important for Kobe to step into that role that he was envisioned at. I've always held the bar up very high for Kobe, and he's not only reached that bar, but he's jumping over the top of it right now."

[Hey Yo]

So Kobe puts up better stats = "doesn't matter"

Kobe puts up 27/6/5 on 51% = "abysmal performance"

:roll: :roll:

just shut the hell up already, you went from "Shaq got doubled every play, Kobe never got doubled" to "more defensive attention paid to Shaq" face it, you don't know shit about this subject. You weren't watching the team nor following the Lakers at the time. You literally have nothing, no leg to stand on in this argument.

Kobe led the team in scoring and assist through the first 3 rounds in 01 and 02, led the entire league in 4th quarter scoring for the playoffs in 01 and 02, played really well in the 01 finals, great in the 02 finals and yet you still sit here and try to give him zero credit and act like he was carried.

you are in some serious denial.
2002 was his best Finals with Shaq....1 out of 4 isn't a great %

I never said that....

Why do Kobe stans talk up more about what he did BEFORE the Finals, than what he did IN the Finals?

[TheMarkMadsen]

2002 was his best Finals with Shaq....1 out of 4 isn't a great %

I never said that....

Why do Kobe stans talk up more about what he did BEFORE the Finals, than what he did IN the Finals?


When you lead your team in scoring and assist at 21 and 22 years old while sharing touches with a guy who is supposed to be the "MDE" it is a huge ****ing deal, especially in this context when dudes like you are saying Kobe got carried and that his rings weren't impressive.

How do you now understand this :confusedshrug:

led his team in scoring and assist through the first 3 rounds of the 01 and 02 playoffs, led the league in 01 and 02 playoffs in 4th quarter scoring, averaged 29/7/6, 27/6/5 in b2b playoff runs, led the team in assist for both years. Averaged 29.4 ppg to Shaq's 30.4 in the 01 playoffs.. Led the team in WS, +/- in 01.. b2b 40+/10 games, multiple 30/5/5 series. Destroyed the Spurs, Kings, in 01, Stepped up HUGE in the clutch..

AND THE CONCLUSION THAT YOU DRAW FROM THIS IS THAT HE WAS CARRIED?? :roll:

And the real amazing thing is, you are in a thread and there is a discussion about who was better between a 22 year old Kobe and peak ****ing Shaq.. you've officially lost the "carried" argument at that point.

[dazzer87]

Their time together

Shaq: 3 Finals MVPS
Kobe: 0
this

[stalkerforlife]

+/- in 2001 postseason.

Kobe: +14.2
Shaq: -0.3

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/on-off/2001/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/on-off/2001/

:eek:

Phucking A, man. :lol

This thread is a HUGE backfire for the OP, a huge Kobe hater. :roll:

[stalkerforlife]

So Kobe puts up better stats = "doesn't matter"

Kobe puts up 27/6/5 on 51% = "abysmal performance"

:roll: :roll:

just shut the hell up already, you went from "Shaq got doubled every play, Kobe never got doubled" to "more defensive attention paid to Shaq" face it, you don't know shit about this subject. You weren't watching the team nor following the Lakers at the time. You literally have nothing, no leg to stand on in this argument.

Kobe led the team in scoring and assist through the first 3 rounds in 01 and 02, led the entire league in 4th quarter scoring for the playoffs in 01 and 02, played really well in the 01 finals, great in the 02 finals and yet you still sit here and try to give him zero credit and act like he was carried.

you are in some serious denial.

Ether.

[knicksman]

God you know so little about both basketball and making arguments. This is not a good place to be when you have those two weaknesses as a person.

I wouldve been a bran stan if i were dumb

[NZStreetBaller]

God i love how amazing kobe was even playing next to the "most dominant player ever"

Kobe left us with an entire career full of awesomeness

[MEB2kDeez]

The fact that he was so young during that 3 Peat and doing what he did amazes me.

Yeah, technically he may have been the 2nd man, but stats can say otherwise for 01 & 02

[ShawkFactory]

I wouldve been a bran stan if i were dumb
You don't say 'if' when it comes to things that are blatantly true.

[Cold soul]

Best 1-2 punch in history :applause:

Agreed. I'll take them over any other duo at their best.

[Smoke117]

I wouldve been a bran stan if i were dumb

The irony is just too much :oldlol:...you are literally one of the dumbest pieces of shit here. Everytime you post I imagine a 10 year old is posting while you are probably a grown ass man.

[Showtime2001]

Bron was better statistically across the board. I don't see what this picture is meant to prove?
Read the entire thing and let it sink.

[Prime_Shaq]

Agreed. I'll take them over any other duo at their best.
Yup, just the combination of their skillset fit together so well. That's why I take them over Jordan-Pippen. Jordan-Pippen might have been the GREATEST 1-2 punch ever but Shaq-Kobe was the best.

[Bankaii]

Read the entire thing and let it sink.
Let what sink in?

Lebron put up better all around stats on better effeciency.
The only difference is Kobe had Shaq drawing defensive attention, while Lebron was the one drawing defensive attention.

And Lebron was being guarded by arguably the GOAT perimeter defender since MJ/Payton/Pippen, while Kove got guarded by Eric Snow/McKie.

[Jacks3]

What defensive attention? Did you LeBron stans already forget the 2013 Finals?

The guy was single-covered and literally GIVEN wide-open jumpers for the entire series. Literally they were daring him to shoot and he couldn't make them pay until Game 7. :oldlol:

[Heavincent]

I've always said that anyone who thinks Kobe didn't see double teams during the 3 peat is ****ing retarded and didn't even watch the NBA back then.

[Smoke117]

I've always said that anyone who thinks Kobe didn't see double teams during the 3 peat is ****ing retarded and didn't even watch the NBA back then.

Exactly...as I said...teams game planned for Shaq...they feared Shaq. I remember ****ing fearing Shaq when we had to play the Lakers...Kobe was always an after thought. Every sg from that era would have better stats playing with Shaq from Allen to Vince to Tmac...but these ridiculous Kobe stans will tell you how it was 1a and 1b...that Kobe was as valuable as Shaq in the 2001 and 2002 championships...:roll: The Big Aristotle being there is what allowed Kobrick to go off in these series during the three-peat...

[tpols]

I've always said that anyone who thinks Kobe didn't see double teams during the 3 peat is ****ing retarded and didn't even watch the NBA back then.

When you realize 2013 lebron was paid less defensive attention to than any version of kobe ever ... :eek: :eek:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Exactly...as I said...teams game planned for Shaq...they feared Shaq. I remember ****ing fearing Shaq when we had to play the Lakers...Kobe was always an after thought. Every sg from that era would have better stats playing with Shaq from Allen to Vince to Tmac...but these ridiculous Kobe stans will tell you how it was 1a and 1b...that Kobe was as valuable as Shaq in the 2001 and 2002 championships...:roll: The Big Aristotle being there is what allowed Kobrick to go off in these series during the three-peat...



not sure why you're agreeing with a post that says the exact opposite of what you're saying.

[PsychoBe]

Exactly...as I said...teams game planned for Shaq...they feared Shaq. I remember ****ing fearing Shaq when we had to play the Lakers...Kobe was always an after thought. Every sg from that era would have better stats playing with Shaq from Allen to Vince to Tmac...but these ridiculous Kobe stans will tell you how it was 1a and 1b...that Kobe was as valuable as Shaq in the 2001 and 2002 championships...:roll: The Big Aristotle being there is what allowed Kobrick to go off in these series during the three-peat...

no he's saying that kobe was doubled :roll: :roll: :roll:

[Smoke117]

These kobe stans are just so easy...god it's fun to get their panties in a bunch. They take everything so seriously like Kobe was family to them or something...:roll: You don't like Wade? Say all you want it's not going to affect me...it's just ****ing basketball homies so why would I care? I dunno what ot is but for some reason Kobe attracts the mentally ill and the just plain stupid...which isn't exactly surprising. Kobe was never the epitome of a basketball IQ with his moronic shot selection...so why would his fans be? That they love his bullshit...and that's what it is, bullshit, says it all.

[Bankaii]

What defensive attention? Did you LeBron stans already forget the 2013 Finals?

The guy was single-covered and literally GIVEN wide-open jumpers for the entire series. Literally they were daring him to shoot and he couldn't make them pay until Game 7. :oldlol:
Having 2-3 players collapse on you because you're the best slasher in the game isn't defensive attention?
He was the main reason Chalmers, Allen, Miller etc got so many open looks. Assisting on 30% of his team's points.

Game 4: 33 points on 60%, 8/12 outside the paint, 1/2 from 3.

And again, Lebron was guarded by a DPOY, who was Kobe gaurded by again?

Are you right about anything?:oldlol:

[34-24 Footwork]

Having 2-3 players collapse on you because you're the best slasher in the game isn't defensive attention?
He was the main reason Chalmers, Allen, Miller etc got so many open looks. Assisting on 30% of his team's points.

Game 4: 33 points on 60%, 8/12 outside the paint, 1/2 from 3.

And again, Lebron was guarded by a DPOY, who was Kobe gaurded by again?

Are you right about anything?:oldlol:

Lebron carving up the defense of Boris Diaw was INCREDIBLE to watch :applause: :applause:

[Jacks3]

Having 2-3 players collapse on you because you're the best slasher in the game isn't defensive attention?
He was the main reason Chalmers, Allen, Miller etc got so many open looks. Assisting on 30% of his team's points.

Game 4: 33 points on 60%, 8/12 outside the paint, 1/2 from 3.

And again, Lebron was guarded by a DPOY, who was Kobe gaurded by again?

Are you right about anything?:oldlol:

That's just regular help defense, you ****ing idiot. It doesn't change the fact that they were content to single cover him in isolation, in the post, or on the perimeter :oldlol:

They were literally playing off him and GIVING him wide open jumpers for the entire series, and yet he could only manage a 49% TS though the first six games.

And the 2013 version of Kawhi was nowhere near DPOY caliber.

You're ****ing clueless. :oldlol:

[knicksman]

These kobe stans are just so easy...god it's fun to get their panties in a bunch. They take everything so seriously like Kobe was family to them or something...:roll: You don't like Wade? Say all you want it's not going to affect me...it's just ****ing basketball homies so why would I care? I dunno what ot is but for some reason Kobe attracts the mentally ill and the just plain stupid...which isn't exactly surprising. Kobe was never the epitome of a basketball IQ with his moronic shot selection...so why would his fans be? That they love his bullshit...and that's what it is, bullshit, says it all.

Dumbass logic aka bran stans logic. Curry shouldnt take those long 3s coz they are bad shots. You only should take layups or dunks. Dont challenge yourself. Dont aim of improvement. Stay where you are. If you cant score in the finals coz there are no layups then so be it. Just blame your teammates. Lol

Theres a reason why youre alcoholic coz youre a loser. Afraid to take risks just like bran. Instead of challenging yourself of doing the unthinkable like shooting over 5 defenders or shooting long 3s, you settle for layups. And thats why you fail at life. Coz you take the easy way out. Youd rather work at mcdonalds than build your own business empire.

[HOoopCityJones]

Dumbass logic aka bran stans logic. Curry shouldnt take those long 3s coz they are bad shots. You only should take layups or dunks. Dont challenge yourself. Dont aim of improvement. Stay where you are. If you cant score in the finals coz there are no layups then so be it. Just blame your teammates. Lol

Theres a reason why youre alcoholic coz youre a loser. Afraid to take risks just like bran. Instead of challenging yourself of doing the unthinkable like shooting over 5 defenders or shooting long 3s, you settle for layups. And thats why you fail at life. Coz you take the easy way out. Youd rather work at mcdonalds than build your own business empire.

Jesus Christ.

[Wade's Rings]

Read the entire thing and let it sink.

Bron was 28 and a 1st option. Kobe was 22 and a 2nd option. I still don't see it.

[zeerghit]

Dumbass logic aka bran stans logic. Curry shouldnt take those long 3s coz they are bad shots. You only should take layups or dunks. Dont challenge yourself. Dont aim of improvement. Stay where you are. If you cant score in the finals coz there are no layups then so be it. Just blame your teammates. Lol

Theres a reason why youre alcoholic coz youre a loser. Afraid to take risks just like bran. Instead of challenging yourself of doing the unthinkable like shooting over 5 defenders or shooting long 3s, you settle for layups. And thats why you fail at life. Coz you take the easy way out. Youd rather work at mcdonalds than build your own business empire.

god dammit u are moron..

[Timrock]

Exactly...as I said...teams game planned for Shaq...they feared Shaq. I remember ****ing fearing Shaq when we had to play the Lakers...Kobe was always an after thought. Every sg from that era would have better stats playing with Shaq from Allen to Vince to Tmac...but these ridiculous Kobe stans will tell you how it was 1a and 1b...that Kobe was as valuable as Shaq in the 2001 and 2002 championships...:roll: The Big Aristotle being there is what allowed Kobrick to go off in these series during the three-peat...
care to prove it? Also, they may have had better stats, but which one of those players was known for their defense. Defense was surely needed against Portland. So which one of those guards could have filled Kobe shoes on both ends of the court?

And if what you say above is also true, why didn't Penny and Eddie Jones win rings playing alongside Shaq? let me guess, the opposing team was just too damn good, right? Both Penny and Eddie were all-stars, so what was the problem?

[stalkerforlife]

not sure why you're agreeing with a post that says the exact opposite of what you're saying.

:roll:

[Goro]

Game 3
Shaq: 21/18/1 on 8/13
Kobe: 36/7/4 on 10/22


Western Conference Finals vs. Spurs

Game 3
Shaq: 35/17/3 on 16/23
Kobe: 36/9/8 on 14/27
Too close to call


NBA Finals vs. 76ers


I disagree with the assessments on these.

The first one is close. Kobe outscored Shaq, but that was because of volume scoring on much lower efficiency. Shaq's rebounds close to make up the difference in scoring while the efficiency closes the GAP IMO and makes it too close to call.

The second one is clearly Shaq IMO. Same scoring on better efficiency, while the rebound advantage for Shaq outweighs that assist advantage for Kobe.

[aj1987]

Dumbass logic aka bran stans logic. Curry shouldnt take those long 3s coz they are bad shots. You only should take layups or dunks. Dont challenge yourself. Dont aim of improvement. Stay where you are. If you cant score in the finals coz there are no layups then so be it. Just blame your teammates. Lol

Theres a reason why youre alcoholic coz youre a loser. Afraid to take risks just like bran. Instead of challenging yourself of doing the unthinkable like shooting over 5 defenders or shooting long 3s, you settle for layups. And thats why you fail at life. Coz you take the easy way out. Youd rather work at mcdonalds than build your own business empire.
Holy shit, you're retarded. I wouldn't be surprised if you floated a dozen companies and failed miserably in all of them, with a shit ton of debt.


Lebron carving up the defense of Boris Diaw was INCREDIBLE to watch
LeBron James - 301 MP
Boris Diaw - 94 MP

[Magic 32]

I disagree with the assessments on these.

The first one is close. Kobe outscored Shaq, but that was because of volume scoring on much lower efficiency. Shaq's rebounds close to make up the difference in scoring while the efficiency closes the GAP IMO and makes it too close to call.

The second one is clearly Shaq IMO. Same scoring on better efficiency, while the rebound advantage for Shaq outweighs that assist advantage for Kobe.

How about calling it what it is?

A draw.

[Goro]

How about calling it what it is?

A draw.
What? Why would that make it a draw?

[Magic 32]

What? Why would that make it a draw?

21/18 for a C is at best a draw compared with 36/7/4 for a SG.

And Kobe had 26 points in the second half.

I mean come on now.

[aj1987]

21/18 for a C is at best a draw compared with 36/7/4 for a SG.

And Kobe had 26 points in the second half.

I mean come on now.
Kobe was unquestionably better that Shaq that game.

The other one is Shaq's though.

[Magic 32]

Kobe was unquestionably better that Shaq that game.

The other one is Shaq's though.

Who is better almost lose its meaning when the "other guy" puts up 36/9/8.

I can hardly think of a better "second best" performance in NBA history.

[aj1987]

Who is better almost lose its meaning when the "other guy" puts up 36/9/8.

I can hardly think of a better "second best" performance in NBA history.
Not really, when the main guy is putting up 35/17/3 on 23 shots.

[Magic 32]

Not really, when the main guy is putting up 35/17/3 on 23 shots.

Whatever...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=Y&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_day=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=36&c2stat=trb&c2comp=gt&c2val=9&c3stat=ast&c3comp=gt&c3val=8&c4stat=fg_pct&c4comp=gt&c4val=.518&order_by=pts

[choppermagic]

People just looking at the base stats aren't getting why the Lakers were so dangerous.

Shaq could pound teams with constant low post scoring in half court games and in through the first 3.5 quarters. If teams sped up the game, Kobe would be unleashed and Kobe could also close out close games without worry about hack-a-shaq. They were able to adapt to whatever the other team gave them. That is why they were so dam tough to beat.

[aj1987]

Whatever...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=Y&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_day=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=36&c2stat=trb&c2comp=gt&c2val=9&c3stat=ast&c3comp=gt&c3val=8&c4stat=fg_pct&c4comp=gt&c4val=.518&order_by=pts
That isn't like cherry picked or anything and you're the one who whines like a chick on her period, when ESPN puts up their cherrypicked LeBron stats.

[34-24 Footwork]

Not really, when the main guy is putting up 35/17/3 on 23 shots.

Quit saying "shooting" you retarded box scorer watcher. Shaq barely "shot" anything after his days in Orlando.

The fact that you're comparing a FG% of a center and shooting guard tells me that you didn't watch the any of those games.

[Goro]

Whatever...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=Y&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_day=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=36&c2stat=trb&c2comp=gt&c2val=9&c3stat=ast&c3comp=gt&c3val=8&c4stat=fg_pct&c4comp=gt&c4val=.518&order_by=pts
Nobody is saying that Kobe's game was bad, but if you think plugging in Kobe's stats into such specifics shows how great his game was because he is listed on a list with 27 other players, then you really should be impressed if you do the same thing with Shaq:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&year_min=1985&year_max=2016&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=Y&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_day=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=35&c2stat=trb&c2comp=gt&c2val=17&c3stat=ast&c3comp=gt&c3val=3&c4stat=fg_pct&c4comp=gt&c4val=.695&order_by=pts

(Time saver: He is in a list of 2)

[Magic 32]

That isn't like cherry picked or anything and you're the one who whines like a chick on her period, when ESPN puts up their cherrypicked LeBron stats.

I think we have to mark that down as a loss for you.

Not really a nice try either. Yikes.

[Magic 32]

Nobody is saying that Kobe's game was bad, but if you think plugging in Kobe's stats into such specifics shows how great his game was because he is listed on a list with 27 other players, then you really should be impressed if you do the same thing with Shaq:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&year_min=1985&year_max=2016&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=Y&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_day=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=35&c2stat=trb&c2comp=gt&c2val=17&c3stat=ast&c3comp=gt&c3val=3&c4stat=fg_pct&c4comp=gt&c4val=.695&order_by=pts

(Time saver: He is in a list of 2)

if you look at the original response...

...then I'm saying that judging one as "better than the other" kinda lose it's meaning when the "inferior" performance has been done less than 30 times in the history of the postseason.

Or 35 times if you want to make the stats less "specific" (35/8/8 50fg%)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=Y&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_day=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=35&c2stat=trb&c2comp=gt&c2val=8&c3stat=ast&c3comp=gt&c3val=8&c4stat=fg_pct&c4comp=gt&c4val=.500&order_by=pts

[Prime_Shaq]

People just looking at the base stats aren't getting why the Lakers were so dangerous.

Shaq could pound teams with constant low post scoring in half court games and in through the first 3.5 quarters. If teams sped up the game, Kobe would be unleashed and Kobe could also close out close games without worry about hack-a-shaq. They were able to adapt to whatever the other team gave them. That is why they were so dam tough to beat.
You are bringing back alot of memories for me :bowdown:

[34-24 Footwork]

People also forget that Shaq used to RUN THE FLOOR. People talk about Lebron being a freight train. Taking a charge from Shaq circa 2000-2003 is the equivalent of catching HIV. Career done.

[Goro]

if you look at the original response...

...then I'm saying that judging one as "better than the other" kinda lose it's meaning when the "inferior" performance has been done less than 30 times in the history of the postseason.

Or 35 times if you want to make the stats less "specific" (35/8/8 50fg%)

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=game&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&team_id=&opp_id=&is_playoffs=Y&round_id=&game_num_type=&game_num_min=&game_num_max=&game_month=&game_day=&game_location=&game_result=&is_starter=&is_active=&is_hof=&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&c1stat=pts&c1comp=gt&c1val=35&c2stat=trb&c2comp=gt&c2val=8&c3stat=ast&c3comp=gt&c3val=8&c4stat=fg_pct&c4comp=gt&c4val=.500&order_by=pts

So if 2 performances are great then it is impossible to say the other is better? :hammerhead:

This thread is comparing who did better in each game, not good games vs bad games. Does this mean Kobe's 81 point game wasn't better than his performance in that game as well? After all, since this game has only been done 30 times, the "better" game (81) "kinda lose it's meaning" according to your way of thinking.

[aj1987]

Quit saying "shooting" you retarded box scorer watcher. Shaq barely "shot" anything after his days in Orlando.

The fact that you're comparing a FG% of a center and shooting guard tells me that you didn't watch the any of those games.
:wtf:

Compare their TS% that game, 12be turd. Shaq was at 65% TS and Kobe was 56%.

BTW, I never said shooting. I said Shaq scored 35 on 23 SHOTS. The only other person to use the word shooting (other than yourself) ITT is another retarded Chokebe stan.


I think we have to mark that down as a loss for myself.

Not really a nice try either. Yikes.

FTFY. :cheers:

[Magic 32]

So if 2 performances are great then it is impossible to say the other is better? :hammerhead:

This thread is comparing who did better in each game, not good games vs bad games.


In this case.....pretty much.

It's close to start with, and then you throw in the usual statistical differences between frontcourt and backcourt players.

So yes, they are both "9 out of 10'ish" games.

And I have no problem making overall judgments on the series that these guys had in 2001.

At least that makes a little more sense then whatever this thread is doing.

1. Shaquille O'Neal vs. 76ers (NBA Finals) - 33.0 ppg, 15.8 rpg, 4.8 apg, 3.4 bpg, 57.3 FG%
2. Shaquille O'Neal vs. Kings (WCSF) - 33.3 ppg, 17.3 rpg, 3.3 bpg, 2.3 apg, 59.8 FG%
3. Kobe Bryant vs. Spurs (WCF) - 33.3 ppg, 7.0 apg, 7.0 rpg, 1.5 spg, 51.4 FG%
4. Kobe Bryant vs. Kings (WCSF) - 35.0 ppg, 9.0 rpg, 4.3 apg, 1.3 spg, 47.3 FG%
5. Shaquille O'Neal vs. Spurs (WCF) - 27.0 ppg, 13.0 rpg, 2.5 apg, 1.3 bpg, 54.1 FG%

[stalkerforlife]

Not gonna lie...Kobe family doing WORK in this thread.

And I have no horse in this race.

[AlphaWolf24]

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/BruceBlitz/AlphaWolf-2173769_596_800_zpsa88ae143.jpg


ESPN in 2001 - Kobe is the leagues best player

added... 2001 is when the 3 writers who said Kobe was 12th alltime were about 4 years old..( lol)


Kobe won as the greatest facilitator and the 2nd greatest closer ever...


any more questions...?

[ShawkFactory]

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/BruceBlitz/AlphaWolf-2173769_596_800_zpsa88ae143.jpg


ESPN in 2001 - Kobe is the leagues best player

added... 2001 is when the 3 writers who said Kobe was 12th alltime were about 4 years old..( lol)


Kobe won as the greatest facilitator and the 2nd greatest closer ever...


any more questions...?
Yes...the bolded.

[KnittingRyu]

http://i495.photobucket.com/albums/rr320/BruceBlitz/AlphaWolf-2173769_596_800_zpsa88ae143.jpg


ESPN in 2001 - Kobe is the leagues best player

added... 2001 is when the 3 writers who said Kobe was 12th alltime were about 4 years old..( lol)


Kobe won as the greatest facilitator and the 2nd greatest closer ever...


any more questions...?
:roll:

[AlphaWolf24]

Yes...the bolded.


yes...Phil Jackson has stated multiple times that Kobe is the greatest facilitator of the triangle offense he's ever coached...

I believe IIRC Kobe also led the Lakers in assists on every Finals Run...

Kobe ....just like Magic...won 5 titles....( 3 peated something magic did not do) led his team in assists every year just like Magic.....

all while playing all NBA defense ( unlike Magic) and being the the teams primary offensive player to close games.....something Magic was not.

looking at the whole context...Kobe is the greatest facilitator ever....( never watched the 50's or 60's era.....and basically no one gives a F about that era anyways) .....( slowly walks away from CavsFTW)

[ShawkFactory]

yes...Phil Jackson has stated multiple times that Kobe is the greatest facilitator of the triangle offense he's ever coached...

I believe IIRC Kobe also led the Lakers in assists on every Finals Run...

Kobe ....just like Magic...won 5 titles....( 3 peated something magic did not do) led his team in assists every year just like Magic.....

all while playing all NBA defense ( unlike Magic) and being the the teams primary offensive player to close games.....something Magic was not.

looking at the whole context...Kobe is the greatest facilitator ever....( never watched the 50's or 60's era.....and basically no one gives a F about that era anyways) .....( slowly walks away from CavsFTW)
Gotcha.

When you say greatest facilitator it made me think that you were saying that Kobe was the greatest at facilitating ever.

Magic was still the primary offensive player in close games...he just didn't always take the shot. Same as the rest of the times he was on the court in his career.

But I'm not trying to get into a Kobe vs Magic debate right now.

[AlphaWolf24]

Gotcha.

When you say greatest facilitator it made me think that you were saying that Kobe was the greatest at facilitating ever.

Magic was still the primary offensive player in close games...he just didn't always take the shot. Same as the rest of the times he was on the court in his career.

But I'm not trying to get into a Kobe vs Magic debate right now.


bolded that's exactly what I am saying.....

magic?...nope ...as I proved...Kobe was better and more important on offense.

Stockton?....psst...20 years of pick and roles with zero ...nada....nothing noteworthy.

Zeke?...GTFO here...

Jordan?..Jordan was the GOAT dominant scorer...Pippen was Facilitating ( most of the time..I see you in 91' MJ)....while MJ was closing games...Kobe had to do Both.

[aj1987]

yes...Phil Jackson has stated multiple times that Kobe is the greatest facilitator of the triangle offense he's ever coached...

I believe IIRC Kobe also led the Lakers in assists on every Finals Run...

Kobe ....just like Magic...won 5 titles....( 3 peated something magic did not do) led his team in assists every year just like Magic.....

all while playing all NBA defense ( unlike Magic) and being the the teams primary offensive player to close games.....something Magic was not.

looking at the whole context...Kobe is the greatest facilitator ever....( never watched the 50's or 60's era.....and basically no one gives a F about that era anyways) .....( slowly walks away from CavsFTW)
:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:


On on unrelated note:

[AlphaWolf24]

:biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums: :biggums:


On on unrelated note:

“Kobe’s defense, to be accurate, has faltered in recent years, despite his presence on the league’s all-defensive team.* The voters have been seduced by his remarkable athleticism and spectacular steals, but he hasn’t played sound, fundamental defense.*Mesmerized by the ball, he’s gambled too frequently, putting us out of position, forcing rotations that leave a man wide open, and doesn’t keep his feet on the ground.”*



"Well the NBA is in great hands, but if I had to pick the single greatest player on the planet, I take Kobe Bryant, without hesitation."

"Kobe is still the best player in the game."

"The MVP should be, when I look at it, I think it should be the best player in the league. Kobe is the best player in the league."

"If you want to find a player to build around, he's probably it. He's got great size for a guard, he's pretty impossible to defend, and he is hard to score against when he hunkers down on defense."

"I'm not saying that he's the most valuable player, but he's certainly the best player. And it's not even close. He is utterly dominant."

"He has no weaknesses."

"I give him all the respect in the world. He is the No. 1 player in the league, by far."

"He ranks right there with Jordan."


That's the reason I'm here coaching, basically, because Kobe is here. I made that evident when I came back that if I was going to coach this team, Kobe is going to be here. He's in a league all to himself... He just smells blood in the water and he's going to go after it. ...That's what you see that you admire in Kobe is that he's going to attack. He's going to be in that mode. He's going to continue to go at a team until either you take him out of the ballgame or else they stop him."


any more questions...?


next

[aj1987]

any more questions...?


next
The **** does that have to do with you saying that he's the "greatest facilitator ever"?

Also, aren't all those quotes from '06 and '07? :facepalm



"He ranks right there with Jordan."
Pat? :oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

bolded that's exactly what I am saying.....

magic?...nope ...as I proved...Kobe was better and more important on offense.

Stockton?....psst...20 years of pick and roles with zero ...nada....nothing noteworthy.

Zeke?...GTFO here...

Jordan?..Jordan was the GOAT dominant scorer...Pippen was Facilitating ( most of the time..I see you in 91' MJ)....while MJ was closing games...Kobe had to do Both.
This is just twisted logic man..

[stalkerforlife]

OP is on the back of a milk carton.

[TheMarkMadsen]

The **** does that have to do with you saying that he's the "greatest facilitator ever"?

Also, aren't all those quotes from '06 and '07? :facepalm



Pat? :oldlol:


What does Phol Jackson's comments on Kobes defense from the late 2000's have to do with Kobes facilitating in 2001?

You brought that up out of nowhere. Talk about desperate.

[TheMarkMadsen]

AJ those Phil Jackson quotes that I posted are from 2001.

I clearly labeled that..

[Magic 32]

Pop and PJ on Kobe and the 2001 Lakers...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yF_LSQ50BWk&t=4m53s

[theaussieguy]

its blatantly obvious that shaq was carried by Kobe during the three-peat. People just love buying into the big dominant guy narrative.

[Dr Hawk]

its blatantly obvious that shaq was carried by Kobe during the three-peat. People just love buying into the big dominant guy narrative.

Prfffffffff what a retard

[TheMarkMadsen]

I think that its absolutley hilarious that EVERYBODY ducked Jacks +/- stats. I see people bring those stats up all the time to justify a players impact..

:roll: :roll:

[ImKobe]

2002 was his best Finals with Shaq....1 out of 4 isn't a great %

I never said that....

Why do Kobe stans talk up more about what he did BEFORE the Finals, than what he did IN the Finals?

2000 Game 1 held Reggie 1/16 shooting, got injured Lakers lose the game he's out, comes back after that to play 47 minutes to carry the team in OT on the road to a win that pretty much seals the series for the Lakers with Shaq fouled out...

2001 played bad in Game 1 *his only bad game of the PO run, 27/9/6 in the 4 wins followed by that
2002 his most efficient Finals series

the only Finals you can say Kobe was bad in was 2000, and he has a legitimate excuse for it but he still was clutch and it was enough for them to win.

2001 Playoffs the 3 best opponents Lakers faced were all in the Western Conference, Kobe scored more points than Shaq (actually way lopsided when it came to road games) on a higher overall efficiency (accounting 3pt shooting and Free Throws) and did a great job rebounding and passing the ball and played elite defense

him, not shaq, led the 2001 Lakers in winshares (by playing slightly more minutes) with them having the identical WS/48, Kobe was the one that dominated almost every road game of that PO run and Kobe also obviously led the Lakers (and the NBA) in Playoff 4th quarter scoring

Shaq himself went on record to say Kobe was the best player in the world that year. Yes the Finals MVP award went to Shaq but Kobe has a case for best player for the championship run if you look at their production as a whole.

Shaq deserved his FMVPs but people still undervalue what Kobe did for those 3-peat Lakers, just because he didn't win the FMVP doesn't mean his first 3 rings were worth less than the rings he won in 09 and 10...he played on the same level, 2001 was his best Playoff run considering everything and 2002 Finals was his most efficient.

[Showtime2001]

There are retards here that will down play Kobe's rings in 01' and 02' and will prop up Duncan's ring in 14' and if he wins this year as well. :oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

I think that its absolutley hilarious that EVERYBODY ducked Jacks +/- stats. I see people bring those stats up all the time to justify a players impact..

:roll: :roll:

Half of them are trolls anyway and the haters aren't going to admit to being wrong about anything. The fact that it's even a debate whether a 22 yr old Kobe was better or on the same level as peak Shaq shows that he was more than just some sidekick.

Even funnier how people only compare numbers here and don't understand that Kobe was the one that ran the offense and set Shaq up for easy baskets inside. Yes, peak Shaq was putting up video game numbers on offense but you realize that opposing defenses had to be worried about Kobe and couldn't just focus on keeping O'Neal away from the paint. And due to Shaq's poor FT shooting the Lakers relied on Kobe to close out games. which he did in epic fashion for 3 straight title runs.

[TheMarkMadsen]

why are these Lebron stans acting like he was seeing constant double teams in the 2013 finals? I swear some of you don't even watch the games.

LOOK AT THE CUSHION THEY GIVE HIM, LOOK AT THE SPACE.


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[Young X]

Even funnier how people only compare numbers here and don't understand that Kobe was the one that ran the offense and set Shaq up for easy baskets inside. Yes, peak Shaq was putting up video game numbers on offense but you realize that opposing defenses had to be worried about Kobe and couldn't just focus on keeping O'Neal away from the paint. And due to Shaq's poor FT shooting the Lakers relied on Kobe to close out games. which he did in epic fashion for 3 straight title runs.This is true. You see people all the time talk about how much Kobe benefited from the attention Shaq drew but they ignore how many easy buckets Kobe got Shaq with his penetration. They both benefited from eachother's presence.

Shaq was definitely a better, more dominant overall player because of his defense and rebounding, but I think offensively they were pretty close.

People don't truly understand the value guards have in their ability to handle the ball, create shots for themselves and others from anywhere on the court at any time, and hit freethrows down the stretch of games. These are big advantages Kobe has over Shaq.

[Optimus Prime]

TMM educating fools left and right with those GIF onslaughts. Wow. :bowdown:

[Smoke117]

2000 - 2002 MVPs:

Shaq: 1

Kobe: 0

2000 - 2002 FMVPs:

Shaq: 3

Kobe: 0

And in 2001 Shaq was being defended by DPOY Dikembe Mutombo...Kobe was being defended by this guy:

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/dwade-crossover.gif

[ImKobe]

2000 - 2002 MVPs:

Shaq: 1

Kobe: 0

2000 - 2002 FMVPs:

Shaq: 3

Kobe: 0

And in 2001 Shaq was being defended by DPOY Dikembe Mutombo...Kobe was being defended by this guy:

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/dwade-crossover.gif




2000-2004 Kobe was ahead of Shaq twice in MVP voting (2003 2004)

[Magic 32]

2000 - 2002 MVPs:

Shaq: 1

Kobe: 0

2000 - 2002 FMVPs:

Shaq: 3

Kobe: 0

And in 2001 Shaq was being defended by DPOY Dikembe Mutombo...Kobe was being defended by this guy:

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/dwade-crossover.gif




http://media.nj.com/gloucester-sports/photo/10550972-large.jpg

[TheMarkMadsen]

They all run away when facts were presented


:roll: :roll:

[Smoke117]

They all run away when facts were presented


:roll: :roll:

Huh!?@!?!?!/!?!??!lol.

I'm pretty sure what I posted were fact...well here i'll repeat it just for you because you are so special and so adorable that *slaps hands* I JUST CANNOT help myself NOT help you in relieving some of this tension with a few facts of their own:

2000 - 2002 MVPs:

Shaq: 1

Kobe: 0

2000 - 2002 FMVPs:

Shaq: 3

Kobe: 0

And in 2001 Shaq was being defended by DPOY Dikembe Mutombo...Kobe was being defended by this guy:

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/dwade-crossover.gif



You are, by the way, very welcome. I'm glad I could bring some kind of peace to your pathetic life where some dipshit basketball player means so much to you. :applause:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Oh I'm sorry I couldn't hear you over this


Kobe 2001 had the highest on-court +/- in recorded history.

Curry 15 - 166
Ginobili 14 - 181
James 13 - 129
James 12 - 199
Dirk 11 - 170
Kobe 10 - 98
Kobe 09 - 181
Garnett 08 - 184
Duncan 07 - 82
Wade 06 - 134
Duncan 03 - 172
Shaq 02 - 118
Shaq 01 - 186
Kobe 01 - 213

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/plus/plus_minus_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id=&match=single&output=total&year_min=&year_max=&age_min=0&age_max=99&is_playoffs=Y&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&c1stat=&c1comp=ge&c1val=&c2stat=&c2comp=ge&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=ge&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=ge&c4val=&order_by=diff_pts


:eek: :eek: :eek:


+/- in 2001 postseason.

Kobe: +14.2
Shaq: -0.3

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bryanko01/on-off/2001/
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/o/onealsh01/on-off/2001/

:eek:


Kobe outscored and out assisted Shaq through the first 3 rounds :applause:

2001 Playoffs - First 3 Rounds
Kobe - 31.6 PPG, 7.0 RPG, 6.3 APG, .492 FG%
Shaq - 29.3 PPG, 15.3 RPG, 2.5 APG, .547 FG%

did the same in 2002 as well :applause:



BTW why are you bringing up regular season awards and the years 2000 and 2002 when this thread is clearly about the 2001 lakers in the playoffs

:confusedshrug: :roll:

[TheMarkMadsen]

Tip off of game 2

check out who is guarding Kobe

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/2-19-2016/rcA6-1.gif

Snow isn't even on the court :oldlol: :oldlol:

Here he is again, after a piss poor game 1 in the opening minutes of game 2 drawing a double teamed

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/2-19-2016/dNpg2h.gif

and here is Snow's first defensive possession in game 2 that wasn't a fast break for the Lakers..

WHO IS HE GUARDING??

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/2-19-2016/yllFVt.gif

here is the next possession

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/2-19-2016/FeEX0I.gif

[TheMarkMadsen]

They threw every perimeter player they had at Kobe

[ImKobe]

They threw every perimeter player they had at Kobe

obviously

Kobe went to the Finals averaging 32/7/6 against the West

they were afraid of Kobe more than they were afraid of Shaq because Kobe's the guy closing out games and you don't want him to get hot.

[SpaceJam]

TheMarkMadsen RIPPING dudes with these gifs yo :bowdown:

[aj1987]

AJ those Phil Jackson quotes that I posted are from 2001.

I clearly labeled that..
:biggums:

I quoted AW24 and nowhere in his post does it say that those quotes are from 2001.


What does Phol Jackson's comments on Kobes defense from the late 2000's have to do with Kobes facilitating in 2001?

You brought that up out of nowhere. Talk about desperate.
On on unrelated note:

Talk about being completely unable to read.

[Showtime2001]

AJ taking L's left and right. :lol

[aj1987]

Showtime meltdown as expected. :oldlol:

[Showtime2001]

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/im_retarded_quantum_leap.gif
Sorry I don't speak meltdown. :oldlol:

[aj1987]

http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r494/Schmoopy72/Gifs%20from%20video/4626555retard.gif
Sorry, but I don't speak retard. :cheers:

[34-24 Footwork]

AJ1987 is speaking from the coffin :lol :lol

[aj1987]

AJ1987 is speaking from the coffin :lol :lol
And the alts start rolling in.

Got absolutely shit on in the other thread and now you're here. :oldlol:

[Showtime2001]

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/im_retarded_quantum_leap.gif
What? I don't understand...

[34-24 Footwork]

Thread RECAP:

Kobe's rings with Shaq don't matter (although they were both equally important to offense and defense. Both got double teamed and strategized against. Both put up big numbers. Kobe was the closer at the end of the game and a combo guard/facilitator who was capable of putting of 50 points if necessary).


Lebron's loss in 2007 finals doesn't matter (even though he was arguably the weakest link on the team and they repeatedly loss by closer margins.


ESPN writers that criticize Kobe on a consistent basis were 4 years old when ESPN was hailing him as the leagues best players at 22 years old.

AJ1987 all of sudden doesn't like the PER stat anymore.

AJ1987 becomes furious

AJ1987 contradicts himself every other post

AJ1987 DEAD

[34-24 Footwork]

And the alts start rolling in.

Got absolutely shit on in the other thread and now you're here. :oldlol:

I'm no alt, fatass. However, you're DEFINTELY Dubeta/Feeny :lol

[aj1987]

Thread RECAP:

Kobe's rings with Shaq don't matter (although they were both equally important to offense and defense. Both got double teamed and strategized against. Both put up big numbers. Kobe was the closer at the end of the game and a combo guard/facilitator who was capable of putting of 50 points if necessary).


Lebron's loss in 2007 finals doesn't matter (even though he was arguably the weakest link on the team and they repeatedly loss by closer margins.


ESPN writers that criticize Kobe on a consistent basis were 4 years old when ESPN was hailing him as the leagues best players at 22 years old.
None of which I really care about or have cared about. Especially LeBron's '07 ring. I NEVER said it doesn't count.


AJ1987 all of sudden doesn't like the PER stat anymore.
I've never really liked PER. Do you have TS% mixed up with PER, BTW? I use that a LOT to measure scoring efficiency.


AJ1987 becomes furious
Facts = Furious?


AJ1987 contradicts himself every other post
Where?


AJ1987 DEAD
You should do it and save yourself the embarrassment, dude. Posting on alts? Pathetic.


I'm no alt, fatass. However, you're DEFINTELY Dubeta/Feeny :lol
And you're TheMarkMadsen, Mr. Jabbar, Magic 32, etc.. Oh wow, that was easy. :oldlol:

[stalkerforlife]

why are these Lebron stans acting like he was seeing constant double teams in the 2013 finals? I swear some of you don't even watch the games.

LOOK AT THE CUSHION THEY GIVE HIM, LOOK AT THE SPACE.


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And this is why I hate the media and the BS they place in the minds of the sheep.

So sad they disrespect true all time greats for marketing and agenda purposes.

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And this is why I hate the media and the BS they place in the minds of the sheep.

So sad they disrespect true all time greats for marketing and agenda purposes.

Lol @ Boris Diaw takin Bron's lunch in the last GIF

Bron stopper :applause: :applause:

[stalkerforlife]

aj1987 speaking from the grave.

ISH - A place for miracles.

[34-24 Footwork]

aj1987 speaking from the grave.

ISH - A place for miracles.



:djparty

:dancin :dancin :dancin

[stalkerforlife]

:djparty

:dancin :dancin :dancin

:cheers: :banana:

[Bandito]

That would be in Kobe's favor so at the moment that is irrelevant.
:roll:

[Showtime2001]

:roll:
:cheers:

[LikeMike]

why are these Lebron stans acting like he was seeing constant double teams in the 2013 finals? I swear some of you don't even watch the games.

LOOK AT THE CUSHION THEY GIVE HIM, LOOK AT THE SPACE.


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Can't see the gifs, but I thought it was common knowledge that the Spurs dared him to shoot that series anyway.

[aj1987]

http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r494/Schmoopy72/Gifs%20from%20video/4626555retard.gif
English, retard. English. :cheers:

[LikeMike]

2000-2004 Kobe was ahead of Shaq twice in MVP voting (2003 2004)
Look how well those seasons ended compared to 2000-02 :hammerhead:

[Showtime2001]

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/im_retarded_quantum_leap.gif
Translation please I don't speak meltdown. :cheers:

[aj1987]

http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r494/Schmoopy72/Gifs%20from%20video/4626555retard.gif
Can someone translate this from retard to English? :cheers:

[Showtime2001]

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/im_retarded_quantum_leap.gif
Can anyone who understands meltdown translate this for me?

[aj1987]

http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r494/Schmoopy72/Gifs%20from%20video/4626555retard.gif
Looks like no one's willing to translate retard. Take care, little man. :cheers:

[HOoopCityJones]

Look how well those seasons ended compared to 2000-02 :hammerhead:

Kobe getting hurt in what was his best season up to that point in 03 and Shaq not getting surgery on his messed up toe , along with Kobe fighting a case in 04? :wtf:

[Showtime2001]

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/im_retarded_quantum_leap.gif
So no one can translate meltdown? Aw shucks.... sorry retard. :cheers:

[aj1987]

http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r494/Schmoopy72/Gifs%20from%20video/4626555retard.gif
Come on, retard. I don't understand what you're saying.

[Showtime2001]

http://www.reactiongifs.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/im_retarded_quantum_leap.gif
Can anyone help this retard? He's speaking meltdown I don't understand.

[aj1987]

I'm out. I don't speak retard and nobody's willing to translate. Stay safe, retard. :cheers:

[Showtime2001]

Damn its a shame the retard just ran away sucks no one could translate meltdown....oh well :lol

[Smoke117]

Shaq > Kobe

/thread

[stalkerforlife]

aj just tapped out.

aaaaaaahahahahahahhaha

[LikeMike]

aj just tapped out.

aaaaaaahahahahahahhaha
He was ruining the thread anyway. Maybe now conversation can be had.

[aj1987]

He was ruining the thread anyway. Maybe now conversation can be had.
Yeah, because stalker and the other idiot were contributing so much to the thread.

[LikeMike]

Yeah, because stalker and the other idiot were contributing so much to the thread.
You and Showtime were both problematic to the thread. I didn't see as much involvement with stalker, but I believe you that his presence does not help.

Now, back to the 2001 playoffs...

[aj1987]

You and Showtime were both problematic to the thread. I didn't see as much involvement with stalker, but I believe you that his presence does not help.

Now, back to the 2001 playoffs...
You might want to go back to page 3.


Anyways, as I said, Shaq >> Kobe in '01. That's just undeniable. Kobe was amazing as well, but Shaq was just better.

[Smoke117]

He was ruining the thread anyway. Maybe now conversation can be had.

The thread was already ruined the moment these kobe stans showed up.

[tamaraw08]

I strongly believe that the Lakers wouldn't have beaten the Spurs if Kobe didn't stepped up IN SAN ANTONIO.
Spurs back then were heavily favored, steamrolling the opposition until Kobe exploded.
Shaq would always step up in the finals usually with smaller and/or thinner centers like Smits and who the heck was the Nets center again? exactly.

[jstern]

I strongly believe that the Lakers wouldn't have beaten the Spurs if Kobe didn't stepped up IN SAN ANTONIO.
Spurs back then were heavily favored, steamrolling the opposition until Kobe exploded.
Shaq would always step up in the finals usually with smaller and/or thinner centers like Smits and who the heck was the Nets center again? exactly.

Smith was bigger than Shaq, and Shaq said that he was the person that defended him the best. Due to his size. Like Sabonis. And when they faced the Sixers, he went up against Mutombo who had just won DPOY. His 4th.

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/lf/celebrating_world_malaria_day_240412/shaquille-oneal-and-dikembe-mutombo-attending-a_3843942.jpg

[knicksman]

Aj was a great poster before. But ever since i owned him in the curry vs wade thread, he became a troll.

[3ball]

.
..............Percentage of team points scored while player was on floor


.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


SHAQ 2001....... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 38.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 33.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 34.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 35.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 26.2 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
KOBE 2001....... 32.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 34.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 31.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 37.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 25.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 23.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)

JORDAN 1997... 36.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 40.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 37.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 46.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 40.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 50.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
JORDAN 1998... 36.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 42.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 39.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 48.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 43.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 49.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)




.......Percentages of team points + assists while player was on floor


.........................RS.....RS 4th.... PO....PO 4th....Finals.. Finals 4th


SHAQ 2001....... 52.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 56.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 49.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 54.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 57.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 59.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/406/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)
KOBE 2001....... 58.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 57.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 60.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 63.9 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 51.8 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 43.7 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/977/stats/usage/?Season=2000-01&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4&Period=4)

JORDAN 1997... 57.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 63.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 64.0 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 84.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 73.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 91.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1996-97&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)
JORDAN 1998... 54.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season)..... 53.6 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&Period=4)..... 59.4 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs)..... 76.5 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4)...... 58.3 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)...... 69.1 (http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/893/stats/usage/?Season=1997-98&SeasonType=Playoffs&Period=4&PORound=4)

[tamaraw08]

Smith was bigger than Shaq, and Shaq said that he was the person that defended him the best. Due to his size. Like Sabonis. And when they faced the Sixers, he went up against Mutombo who had just won DPOY. His 4th.

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/lf/celebrating_world_malaria_day_240412/shaquille-oneal-and-dikembe-mutombo-attending-a_3843942.jpg

I did say "or Thinner centers" because Rik Smits, not Smith:rolleyes: was outweighed by atleast 40 lbs by Shaq
Mutombo IMO won his DPOY because of his GREAT HELP defense, blocking shots by smaller players who attacked the basket.
There are the unspectacular but good positional defenders like believe it or not, Kwame Brown, PJ Brown, Bowen etc.

[jstern]

I did say "or Thinner centers" because Rik Smits, not Smith:rolleyes: was outweighed by atleast 40 lbs by Shaq
Mutombo IMO won his DPOY because of his GREAT HELP defense, blocking shots by smaller players who attacked the basket.
There are the unspectacular but good positional defenders like believe it or not, Kwame Brown, PJ Brown, Bowen etc.

Rik Smits, honest mistake. This is Shaq, of course he's going to be heavier than anyone guarding him, in the East or the West. But none the less again, it doesn't change what Shaq said. And it just wasn't against Smits, or Mutombo, he was still going to get double and trippled teamed, and hacked every time he got the ball. We're talking about Prime Shaq.

[aj1987]

I strongly believe that the Lakers wouldn't have beaten the Spurs if Kobe didn't stepped up IN SAN ANTONIO.
Spurs back then were heavily favored, steamrolling the opposition until Kobe exploded.
Shaq would always step up in the finals usually with smaller and/or thinner centers like Smits and who the heck was the Nets center again? exactly.
Are you implying that Shaq didn't play well against good centers?

Also, how many 340lb centers have there been in the league? ANYONE would've been thinner than him. Heck, KAJ, Russell, Ilt, and Hakeem would've been thinner than Shaq.

[Mr Feeny]

http://s11.postimg.org/ezoiwyvqb/11721085_10206238244889313_443020997_n_jpg_oh_c4.j pg

Err. ...what are we proving here?
Lebron was better in pretty much everything.
Moreover why are we comparing these series? Let's compare lebron in the finals against your hero - with a proclivity to choke on the highest stage :lebronamazed:

We all know how he customarily wets the bed when it counts. No wonder he's not in the top 11 players all time :lebronamazed:

[Smoke117]

Smith was bigger than Shaq, and Shaq said that he was the person that defended him the best. Due to his size. Like Sabonis. And when they faced the Sixers, he went up against Mutombo who had just won DPOY. His 4th.

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/lf/celebrating_world_malaria_day_240412/shaquille-oneal-and-dikembe-mutombo-attending-a_3843942.jpg


I just want to say this...it's ****ing pathetic that Mutombo has 5 DPOY awards himself and Robinson and Hakeem one each...they were far...far....far better defensive players...but this slow footed goofy cat had all those blocks and the dumb ass media voted him the DPOY all those years...:facepalm The most criminal of all was the 95 season...the one year a perimeter player actually deserved the DPOY...Scottie Pippen and they ****ed him over and gave it to a lesser defensive player...Mutombo. Smh

[knicksman]

Err. ...what are we proving here?
Lebron was better in pretty much everything.
Moreover why are we comparing these series? Let's compare lebron in the finals against your hero - with a proclivity to choke on the highest stage :lebronamazed:

We all know how he customarily wets the bed when it counts. No wonder he's not in the top 11 players all time :lebronamazed:

http://gif-finder.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Michael-Jordan-laughing.gif

[Stringer Bell]

Kobe's game 1 against the Spurs might have been the best game he's played. Of course he's had higher scoring games, but this was a postseason game against a top team with a top defense. Naturally, the defense intensity steps up in the postseason. Kobe was scoring every which way imaginable, constantly taking it to Duncan and Robinson. Dunks, floaters, put backs, fadeaways, 3 pointers, etc...

My favorite game of Kobe's to watch.

[Rooster]

Spurs-Lakers series were the real Finals. The NBA Finals was just a mere formality unless of course there's an injury to a key player. There's a reason why Shaq, Duncan and Kobe were each on the Finals that decade and a total of 12 rings. Kobe was the Spurs killer and Shaq dominated the Finals.